They are artists.

LoL never saw one till now now i wanna buy the Game

Wonderwin means you are passive. Demoships are kinda useless when your enemy use siege engines, and firelancer is nerfed.

they change the cost of wonder yesterday

Balancing a civ because of team games is a stupid idea and will just open a can of worms, balancing civs based on team play is pointless and will only lead to more issues in the 1v1 scene

@@FimbongBass unit vs unit , china has the best unique units that blasts everything , in late game plays like this , only chinese units poop up out of fights. Thinking about some elephants to destroy walls without the need of siege is a good unit

@@FimbongBass while that's true they're an issue in 1v1s as well. Either OP or bugged

should have known better than to cross. Maybe they were hoping to catch some units in the middle unawares. shame either way

Best part of the video.

Delhi fishing boats can attack.

Wait... Is that actually working???

no doesnt work, explosives doubles their explosion range to stupid range

I think the HRE castles were smart, but stone walls initially were a poor choice on the river crossing. palisades would have been cheaper and faster to build than the cost of the demos wasting the strategy. Or go on the offensive and pull down the docks. I didn't see any culverin either... so not sure if that could have worked.

Definitely. HRE in these 3v3 matches often gets slung and they're out there with ridiculous infantry by mid game

Yes, they did an interview where they admitted it. Mista was doing a 4tc double dock boom to feed him and Lucifron also gave him gold. They wanted the palace of swabia as early as possible but getting age 4 demos was the crux of their strategy.

green had mangonels as well as springalds

If you fix the range, and the fact that they do literally twice the intended damage (my understanding is that the second explosion is unintended), I'm not sure you would need to nerf demos. As you can see, there's clear counterplay, and the main issue is just how much damage they do, and at such an incredible range. These are bugs that need to be fixed, not really a balance issue. One other thing, however, is that springalds need their bonus damage to ships back. Lidakor hit the nail on the head. The only land unit that used to be able to take on demos and ships outside of bombards is springalds. If the only counterplay is to push to imperial age and make extremely expensive units, the game definitely isn't balanced.

They might have done okay against the fire lancers and the spearmen, but they would have been overrun in the end fights, especially against those ridiculous MaA. The palings could have been interesting against the mounted units but can just be maneuvered around. Recon's army size was a big problem in those end fights. Is pocket generally low on resources?

@@TheGenghisjuan if you micro the hell out of mass bows placement of pallings... you can do a lot to prevent routing: think triangle shape of pallings with bows in middle. of course, countered by splash siege. in my experience pocket can be low on resources if they don't trade and farm, but vortix did fine with insane speed imp.

They should just go with "warm colours vs cool colours", that way you can still identify the individual players. So, Red, Orange and Yellow... vs Blue, Green and Purple.

@@gixG17 100% agree with this as a best solution - which i think we will see in a near patch. I still play with unique over team colors, because its not too difficult after you use it for a period of time and team communications is much stronger with unique coloring.

Their incredible damage is actually a bug of them detonating twice. The range is also way high higher than advertised.

@@Astro-Rabby i believe it is more than twice. I think 4 times. If you see the damage to the castle, you can see it takes 4 separate hits to it's HP

Yeah it was difficult for me to tell what happened there, where were all their units?

Recon is by far the worst player and the reason for his team losing

@@ApePostle I think they lost because of getting demoed 24/7, enemy just got too much ahead and too big of an advantage by exploiting bugs.

So stupid to suggest balancing in a TEAM game, 1v1 is how the game should be balanced and no more, china is just barely competitive in the 1v1 scene but you want them nerfed more because of team games, not thinking at all on how much that would affect them in 1v1s, use your brain

@@FimbongBass No, Pro League wouldn't have happened if game was just to be played 1v1. TGs will also get rankings and tournaments.

The wonder victory was redundant. At best, it forced the other team to lose faster because they were already having a huge advantage before even building the wonder.

They're obviously OP. Nobody can micro perfectly, and having one demo ship slip through to one shot a quarter of the screen is stupid.

@@JorenMathews Still don't think it's op. Just get better at defending or attacking before they can put it out. I can agree that in team games it seems op, but still if they are so op why did the other team not use them then? Bc they got outplayed

@@OzzI-DKPL they're clearly bugged. The explosion is hitting multiple times. There is no way that's intentional. It's probably an effect caused by the damage hitting for different numbers at different ranges.

@@TheGenghisjuan Might be true, I did notice that. But What is the point of having it in the game if you nerf it? (besides the bug you mention) Having to use 750 resources on 3 demo ships and wait 1min 30sek just so you can finally destroy a wall? And my oppenent can one shot them with any decent long range unit. The bug just made them seem op :)