Bruh these model train prices are crazy, I’m looking at a lego Santa Fe engine and they go for 250-300 bucks and I think that price is insane! But for model railroading that’s the low end on price!

Personally I think a more reasonable price for the GP9 is probably around $300 - $350ish. $600 is pretty steep even considering all the fancy electronics and finer details. At least to me, the MTH model just seems like an upgraded the Williams with modernized features, and I just don't think $600 is a justified price. If it had some other fancy features it doesn't have that would up the price more, then I can probably understand $600, but I don't know. I don't see the benefit of blowing your finances on something you can buy that's both a little older and with a slightly lower detail quality, but still having an almost equal performance level.

Most folks aren't interested in the extra features anyway. One thing I dislike about MTH is when the pcb fails it can cost at least a quarter of the cost of the unit to have repaired.

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Wow both are poor. Shouldn’t need traction tyres on locos that big I can get a descent 00 guage model with more detail for about £180

Soooo... is MTH still a thing or no?

You may want to use a more modern transformer, as the older postwar transformers can fry the electronics of modern locomotives and sound cars.

GP9 trying it's hardest to be a GP7

I habe been looking for a good o scale diesel to buy have thought about early 2000s Lionel but have looked into Williams, people are going at bachmann to restore Williams and bring them back,

My general limit on O scale loco purchases is the $300-$400 range. Before I would exceed that, I would probably just get a nice Williams or K-Line model (and maybe have sound upgraded).

Get you a pair of 5906 Sound Activation buttons, then not only can you toot the horn and ring the bell, with MTH engines you can also use different button sequences to activate all the features, even program the loco.

man, that white 360 setup. taking a real chance on the Red Ring O Death there. but as another every day 360 user, i value seeing that classic.

I remember getting this MTH NS DAP F-7s from the train show, I didn't know it but the colors on the train were great and the pricing was not bad. However I would get it for $700, however, they talked to me asking if I worked at a job, I said yes and they sweet-talk me, out of generosity, to bring it down to $650. I bought it and never regretted my purchases. Even better, it was brand new, with no mileage nor any hours on the engine, strictly brand new out of the box.

I just found your channel. I really enjoyed your comparison between Willams & MTH. Your review was spot on the money. I just subbed, thanks for sharring. 👍

Yeah the white arcade was quite a hit in the feels there! Had mine stolen so I've got a slim now

I think the GP-30 is a Williams-by Bachmann -era model. Williams' GP-7, SD-45 and Dash-8 diesels are more representative of the detail level expected of most of the brand's existence (basically anything with stamped-metal handrails). Also MTH RailKing might be a better comparison detail and price-wise to the WbB-era locomotives (which include some former K-Line models)

I picked up the C&O 5704 GP7 in January from Dixie Union Station.

If you wire the motors in series, the Williams diesels become much more 'normal' when starting and at speed. It is easy to do. There are KZfaq videos that describe this easy upgrade. (Joey's Trains) You can also upgrade to Soundblast Plus for a reasonable cost yielding a much better sound system

A good way to put it, when you buy MTH, you’re not buying a model… you’re buying a computer. Everything comes with Protosound 3.0, while Williams markets conventional with horn/true blast. Once you get a transformer with a whistle and bell (or bell control box), you’ll be able to trigger the couplers, use the PFA sequence and properly control the firmware. It does take timing practice, but it opens up why they cost a bit more.

When you are running on 3 rails (as I do), too much detail is JUST OVERKILL!!!