And they are worth more now than 6 years ago when this was filmed.

@@dissaverone’s worth getting are 50k and even over 60k depending on options. Not even talking 997.2 unfortunately.

@@Nelbonepaid $53k for this exact spec car in May 2023

@@charleskrasucki2321 thank you for confirming my statement

same in 2024.

Thanks for this post. I’m actually shopping for one as we speak. I live in Fort Lauderdale FL so there’s a pretty good used selection

Hey i have a GTI right now as well and my dream is to get a 911 haha. How much did you pay for your 997?

@@domain300 £29k for a good condition, lowish mileage (45k miles) example. Still loving it 12k miles later! If I were to get a second car I would strongly consider the Golf R.

I also recently got a manual transmission 997.1 C2S with 14,000 miles and will be selling my 2017 Mark 7 GTI with 18,000 miles. Prices on these 997s have skyrocketed- $70 K for mine.

@@ronn878 Nice one, congrats! Everything is inflated right now, I imagine you got more for your GTI too. Either way I doubt you'll regret it and the 911 (especially yours having low miles) will likely keep appreciating. Enjoy it, don't be afraid to put miles on it (mines now on nearly 64k miles)!

He REALLY does.

I worked at a European shop that's serviced and modified everything German and Italian. The Porsche owners were the easiest friendliest and genuine normal people I had to deal with.. didn't matter man woman doctor or construction worker..they all were very good people.

Would you bang him though?

Wot? So you hate 911 GT3s?

@VirusTornado It's a joke :)

Mzn T "naturally exasperated" sounds like naturally aspirated. I get it now. I haven't slept well last night, first day of the week and all. lol.

VirusTornado No worries, mate!

Oh yeah. Im lucky enough to have a 997 turbo and a Cayman GT4. The former is faster. The latter is better

Prodriver33 who even listens to podcasts anymore

Hahaha I really should get a podcast.

Not even just that, but he's also pretty smart and well spoken, great guest!

you dont listen to the TST podcasts? YOu should, bro

Tomáš T. I'm one of those lame asses that has listened to every single one more than once lol. hooniverse too.

John Smith agree it almost looked like it was playing on a faster speed.

Update November 22: market has cooled considerably and continues to do so. Slash those prices by around $5-10k depending on condition and mileage.

What did you upgrade to? (or downgrade....)

Phoenix Rising nsx in his picture maybe

can the tiptronic trans be tuned to a higher shift point? im coming from a ZF8 which was pretty adjustable

7300

Nick Nack thought he said he picked it up in july :/

Even though he said July, you're still probably right. An hour on the 10 is about a half mile.

Nick Nack the drive from my office to my house is 20 minutes. It's 3.8 miles.

TheSmokingTire Must be nice diva

TheSmokingTire lucky sod. get an electric bike with all the beautiful weather you have would be so relaxing. my 25 mile bike ride in 3C is still pretty enjoyable.

GTS Manual ;)

Yes.

I know right!!

ever drink baileys from a shoe?

If by baileys you mean tinia-infused foot sweat I'll come clean and say yes......why?

Phoenix Rising would you like to see my water colors?

Quite possibly....

Thanks so much! Oh I definitely do already, it's a fantastic car.

@@drewpelletier2917 still got it? Miles? Issues?

Man Like B How about now?

#metoo

Keith I bought one for 25k same everything but with sportcrono first week of 2019. It had borescoring bad. I did the 4 litre upgrate from L&N Engineering. It already had the IMS fix from them. I would highly recommend anyone to go that route. I Abselutly love that car. Excellent video. Cheers.

Was just going to say. I hope this guy works in radio. If not, he needs to. Or do voiceover work.

Reliability, access to parts, able to work on it without spending 5k in labor, etc. Seems pretty simple to me.

I use to know a Porsche tech. He said they were really easy to work on...you just have to drop the engine for almost everything, after you drop the engine out it's all easy.

hopefully dropping out the engine is "easy" then?

there 6 bolts.. .two to connect stuff mounted to the engine and 4 that holds the engine to the car.. Obviously you need to disconnect the gearbox which is 6 bolts so in total 12 bolts that easily come off.

pokiou cool. 12 bolts. Does this mean that a lay person can do this? Or if done by a shop, is this an easy task which means low labour cost to drop the engine to do basic maintenance. I'm trying to get a feel for what to expect in terms of cost.

He did a Lexus IS-F one take

SHHHHH!

ChaosphereIX they are far from the same

Dalton Villnave I know that, but it seems like they are...

I would love to see a 356 Coupe go through the canyons. Wouldn't be terribly fast, but super light and nimble.

Angeles Crest and Mount Wilson Road, north of Pasadena :D

where you see that?

Herp Derp I think you're talking about the facelift.

Some people who have 997.1's feel for whatever reason that they're inferior to 997.2 so they install aftermarket lookalikes. I think both look stellar.

"fuck everyone that has different taste than me"

LED taillights just look better. I changed the ones of my 997.1 too. They just look much better (the ones from the 997.1 look outdated) and thes cost 500 €. That‘s nothing.

They are not that expensive mate.

gmansplit 38k is not bad for a Porsche but is still a lot of money for most people for a car.

gmansplit, I'm guessing they are more than the average yearly wage in the USA as well as most other places which is a lot of money for most people

Well think about it...if $38k (+ associated maintenance on a $65k+ sports car) is considered a "lot" then this is not the right car for the budget. No elitism here, just stating logical decision making.

I was basically saying, you're a lucky guy, it's a great car and those canyon roads are heaven.

Honestly IMS isn't that big of a deal breaker. You either look for one that has that issue sorted, or fix it yourself. It's definitely not as common as you think, and most IMS affected cars were affected early on in their life (i.e. before 20-30k miles).

Very true. I fell into the rabbit hole a while back and then you start to see that even the ceramic LN engineering bearings can fail if they don't have a pressurized oiling system. Granted the rate of failure is super low so it starts to become a conspiracy theory lol

Tedward LOL. Have you considered a newer Cayman S? No IMS issues and still drives brilliant.

Every day. I think I enjoy the dynamics of a cayman even more than a 911.. Once I'm cured of "But its not a 911 Syndrome" I will probably pull the trigger and add a mid engine car to the fleet. a 2009+ 987 S would be perfect. Plus money left over for a crazy exhaust

Tedward Honestly? Test drive a Cayman S with Porsche Sports Exhaust (PSE). You might not need to get a crazy exhaust.

You literally manifested that shit for me. As soon as I read this comment .....

Erick Maynard exactly what I 'm thinking... It' s the right sound

Tomáš Truněček don’t hope, instead say you WILL drive one in the future

Yeah. Cross out the „I hope“ and turn that sad emoji into a smile.

You totally will have a 911 one day.

981s cost 25-30% more.

In Germany clean 997s, start at arround 45000euro, 981s 50000.

Theyre the kind of people who comment on cat videos with "Youre hurting it "

I mean, if you got a super cheap one that's engine is gone thanks to untreated IMS bearings, it would probably be a far cheaper option than a new motor.

Will it fit? I may have to try this.

Cheap power

How anyone can decide not to....I'll never understand.

Is the GT3 worth 40k more? I'm deciding between buying a 997 C2S for 60k, or a 997 GT3 for 100k.

@@mariodiniz21 997 gt3 has gone way up some I was shopping 997 C2S. Now I am not sure it's worth the extra cost. In Canada a 997 GT3 is close to triple the cost of a C2S.

All 996's except Turbo's and GT3's. The 05 997's, but the 06-08 have an improved IMS. Then in 09 they took care of it!

I would say that's a bit over estimated. Not "All" 986 or 996 need it. The Majority are any Boxsters or 911's between the years 2001-2005. 1997-2000 mostly used what is called a "double row ball bearing" Ims bearing.These were very robust and very few failures. For the 997 models you touched on the engine numbers, but the main isssue is because from 2001-2005 Porsche used a "single row ball bearing" ims bearing, which turned out to be a bad decision. This single row bearing was the main culprit and although it did cause Porsche a lot of headaches, there are still countless thousands of 2001-2005 986, 996, 987, 997's on the road with high mileage and using the original ims bearing. From 2006-2008 Porsche switch again to an improved and stronger single row bearing. 2006-2008 are years that I consider the strongest of the ims bearing design. Porsche got burned enough and tried to remedy the ims issue in those models. Although with any high mileage engine from any manufacturer it does not hurt to invest in peace of mind if and when you do a clutch job. I know severa 2001-2005l 996 and 997 Carrera owners with over 120,000 miles and still running the original ims bearing. Is it on their list to change some day... but it's not keeping them up at night either.

Less Talk, More Delicious Yes, beards, skinny jeans and arguing about craft brew for an hour ;)

Sorry about your back pain. That's a bummer because the 2006 Carrera 4S is a great car. Did you happen to hit the "sport" button during the test drive? If you did then this automatically sets the suspension to it's hardest settings which is unbearable on rough city streets and highways. You can turn the suspension "pasm" off separately, but it is kind of a 2 step process. Porsche's are sports cars 1st. They are created to be great handling cars in the corners out of the box. This does offer compromises and trade offs for comfy highway and street driving. Road conditions are a huge factor, Regular seats vs sport seats, condition of shocks/struts, Tire pressure and size of wheels all play a role. I have owned a 2006 Carrera 4S for over 8 years and 75k miles. Got it practically new and I absolutely still love it and never had any back pain issues, but the ride is not "cadillac" friendly on your back. Definitely a firm ride compared to the average car.

And definitely a new set of Michelins whether it's pilot sports 2 or super sports + geo adjustment, that will make a world of difference.

no just buy the 997. Porsche people are picky and they will laugh at you if you try to turn a 996 into a 997.

Just accept the 996 for what it is. It is still a Porsche, and it's the 911 variant that saved Porsche financially. Without it, the 993 would probably have been the last 911 you ever saw.

Zaheer O'Brien That's my dilemma as well! Love to have one but hard to dump $38k on a 2006 used car.

Serby I would suggest we buy one together but I don't have a cent lol. And I live in South Africa, so it wouldn't even be realistically practical. I guess we just have to watch how people who can do it, take advantage of the situation.

Bought my 997 3 years ago - sold it this year for more than I paid for it. Maintenance can be expensive, yes. But the car is not depreciating. Look at it from this perspective: buy any 80k+ performance car new today and you will be losing at least 15k the moment you drive it off the lot. In 3 years (and that's an optimistic estimate!) it will have lost more money in depreciation than that 997 cost!

freeman2344 you sir are a smart man. Would love to know what the experience of owning it and driving it was like (I am a 997 fanboy). I am finishing university so I've still got a long way to go to owning one.

Joe Cribben nothing screams hot hatch

I occasionally scream hot hatch

Allen Marks hahahahaha hahahaha

Hmmm let me guess. Youre drawing that from the way he speaks?

Bingo. Heheh. When noone has to look at that shit then why the hell not eh?

Next career option maybe?

Phoenix Rising its his voice. You could look like a troll, but if you have a good voice you can do radio, voice acting etc. I've always been interested in that, because of my awful look and raspy deep voice

Tomáš T. I kinda dig the lobster claws

Tomáš T. Not "any other car," but when I do math and think about the Ferrari 458 I could have had by spending less than the Mustang, it makes me depressed.

TheSmokingTire Good old money pit projects. Gotta love it

TheSmokingTire hell a 997 Turbo would be enough.

Abe Froman Enough doesnt make much sense to me in the car world. Too subjective. For some people, a miata is 'enough' but for some people, a 675LT isnt 'enough'. Hence the P1. What does enough mean?