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@stevejagger8602
@stevejagger8602 Жыл бұрын
I have been repairing a plug in power supply for my led illuminated magnifier. The output rectifier diode had cooked. As a temporary measure I put a 1N4007 diode in to check if there was basic functioning in the high voltage side. I was shocked at how hot the diode got yet only passing 360mA or so. It wasn't until a friend pointed out the slow recovery time was the cause that the penny dropped. I harvested an ES1J off a dead phone charger - a fast recovery rectifier and everything worked fine. Thank you for your very helpful demonstration.
@whitefields5595
@whitefields5595 4 жыл бұрын
I was having trouble with my zero-crossing detector because of this. We always have to learn the hard way that these are semi-conductors! Semi means they only do part of what you think they should do. Thanks for taking the time to explain this to us all.
@KX36
@KX36 9 жыл бұрын
Good as always. I'm glad you showed a 914 and a schottky too.
@akhilgeorge7681
@akhilgeorge7681 4 жыл бұрын
Understood what is diode reverse recovery time from this video. Spend enough time in my academic books, but was not able to understand the concept. Thanks for the video.
@kb7skb
@kb7skb 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the time that you spend making these videos. I appreciate it!
@Corgitronics
@Corgitronics 9 жыл бұрын
The behavior of the schottky diode is interesting, perhaps that could be a future subject? Another great video!
@kristhetrader5029
@kristhetrader5029 9 жыл бұрын
So well explained that I have now understood much more about diodes than ever before in one go! Amazing your introduction Alan!!!!
@trayennhuphan3892
@trayennhuphan3892 Жыл бұрын
thank you for the video! it is very helpful. I especially like how you introduces things on paper and experimental results !!!
@toddanonymous5295
@toddanonymous5295 9 жыл бұрын
Alan, your brilliance is inspiring. Looking forward to your next lesson
@Jeremyveleber-makes-stuff
@Jeremyveleber-makes-stuff 9 жыл бұрын
Another good one Alan! There is so much stuff that I don't know. Thanks to you, I know a bit more each time I watch one of these.
@AppliedScience
@AppliedScience 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You always have the best EE tutorial videos!
@babybearkill1
@babybearkill1 9 жыл бұрын
Try the post apocalyptic inventor, he is brilliant also. Don't get me wrong, I agree completely with the assessment that w2aew is the best but try a few more out Applied Science
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Applied Science Thanks Ben!
@mrjohhhnnnyyy5797
@mrjohhhnnnyyy5797 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! You making us smarter with every video. I have few random old diodes from old SMPS, will be interesting to see what recovery time they have
@Pwaak
@Pwaak 9 жыл бұрын
Can't thank you enough for showing what goes on Inside components!
@stevefranks8302
@stevefranks8302 Ай бұрын
nice, clean fixture and excellent explanation
@DAVET38
@DAVET38 9 жыл бұрын
Another extremely interesting and well presented video presentation. Thanks Alan.
@codijack9577
@codijack9577 9 жыл бұрын
Beauty of analog circuit is time resistant. Keep on going revealing this beauty to all of us! I'm becoming to be addicted :)
@pradeeplanka6976
@pradeeplanka6976 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for very clear explanation. After going through lot of articles I did not get things cleared. But you did it very nicely. Thanks for your good work. Wish you the best.
@freddiemortos8519
@freddiemortos8519 9 жыл бұрын
Oh,,I know nothing about this. Thank you for this great deep understanding lessons you are showing to us. It's very helpful.
@TriodeLuvr
@TriodeLuvr 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! It needs to be emphasized that this test method is valid only for small-signal diodes. High current rectifiers (1A - 3A average If) can't be properly tested at low currents like this. A 1N4007 can measure nearly the same as a 200nS fast recovery rectifier with 10 - 20mA. It's only when current is increased above 100mA or so that the difference in speed becomes apparent.
@tancrediangeloni2155
@tancrediangeloni2155 5 жыл бұрын
@TriodeLuvr where could I find out more about low reverse current effect on reverse time measurement? Any book treating the subject?
@absurdengineering
@absurdengineering 2 жыл бұрын
@@tancrediangeloni2155 If you need to depend on it, you have to measure it yourself, always, and qualify components for the application you have. It might make books unnecessary unless you want to be designing your own diodes :)
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you, ive been repairing equipment for years but never really looked close at the diode reverse recovery, smashing video :-D
@BryanByTheSea
@BryanByTheSea 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you. Catching up on some of your older videos.
@davidlisney2059
@davidlisney2059 9 жыл бұрын
In one of my projects (a big power supply) I have a bridge rectifier consisting of 4 huge diodes in a bridge format.... Although it is of no worry to me the ouput after the regulator does have a very low level (a few mV) of commutation noise from the diodes. Once again a very well presented video, always food for thought...
@dwDragon88
@dwDragon88 9 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video as always. Thank you!
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alan, very timely as I was just sorting a parts bin of PIN diodes and came across some VERY old ones I'd gotten from Hamtronics years ago that I don't have a data sheet for (neither did they). At least now I can compare these to others that I have the data sheets for and at least get a feel for how they match up to known units. 73 - Dino KL0S
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Nice! The longer the recovery time, the lower in the HF bands it will work.
@KD0CAC
@KD0CAC 4 жыл бұрын
Watched again after a few yrs. , and learned even more ;) Thanks again
@wegi9621
@wegi9621 6 жыл бұрын
Great job mate. Really good explanation. Thumbs UP
@happyhippr
@happyhippr Жыл бұрын
awesome explanation and examples!
@ddowlingau
@ddowlingau 9 жыл бұрын
Great video. Love how you present the theory followed by a practical demonstration.
@nihar1409
@nihar1409 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, was confused what trr is, after watching the video my concepts are now clear.
@adrian.parano
@adrian.parano 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video!! thanks for sharing!
@funkyironman69
@funkyironman69 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I had never really thought about how to measure reverse recovery time.
@BryanByTheSea
@BryanByTheSea 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, keep them coming.
@industrialdonut7681
@industrialdonut7681 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever there is a topic I'm looking for more info on in electronics I first go to w2aew, this is beautiful and stuff that I don't even have in my textbooks
@grimreboot
@grimreboot 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the clear explanation 😊
@AboubakrA
@AboubakrA 6 жыл бұрын
Very professional, Great presentations
@gearstil
@gearstil 4 жыл бұрын
I am glad I found your channel!
@aakashgupta4478
@aakashgupta4478 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your clear explaining!!
@aduedc
@aduedc 2 жыл бұрын
A great clip again. Now that I think of it, that is why we can use varactors in VCOs with higher AC voltage than reverse DC bias of varactors. Of course, here you are talking about forward bias charge storage, in varactors it is reverse bias charge storage. (ie. diffusion capacitance vs. depletion capacitance) However, in my opinion the best way to see if you have a pin diode or not is to figure out its doping profile. You can do this by incrementally biasing the diode, and measuring its capacitance and relating it to its doping profile. If you want to do this you should bias the diode from just below to turn on voltage and slowly decrease the bias voltage up about about 1/3 of reverse breakdown voltage measuring capacitance at each step and inferring the doping, and create a complete doping profile.
@1903A3shooter
@1903A3shooter 9 жыл бұрын
Great as always.
@MaXwEllDeN
@MaXwEllDeN 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your great explanation.
@Jose4416
@Jose4416 7 жыл бұрын
thank you very much this video crarified some doubts that i had on my lesson great video
@m1geo
@m1geo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alan! Excellent!
@aatifshah8476
@aatifshah8476 3 жыл бұрын
Dear sir u got my respect ... from india .. tnx a lot....
@AxelWerner
@AxelWerner 9 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and educative
@tavoishere
@tavoishere 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks!
@homemade83
@homemade83 6 жыл бұрын
hello from the other side of the earth no words will show my thankfulness i have watched and learned a lot from most of your videos i need a video also about MOSFET false turn on due to the dv/dt i will repeat this comment in videos i have seen this morning in my country so you can them also this is the only support i have for you for now
@amciaapple1075
@amciaapple1075 9 жыл бұрын
I was hoping that you would plug in a Drift Step Recovery Diode at the end of your video.Once, I had an old Russian PN rectifier diode, that was so poorly manufactured that the boundary between the P and N region was very diffused and that made it an excellent DSRD. It was snapping off in under 1ns with 200A of reverse current flowing through it which allowed me to generate kW nanopulses with it. Great stuff!
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
AMCIA APPLE Cool! I don't have any SRDs to play with.
@gotj
@gotj 8 жыл бұрын
Alan, please, do a video about the Jim Williams pulse generator.
@adikumar1395
@adikumar1395 7 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@amtpdb1
@amtpdb1 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video.
@vincentkorie632
@vincentkorie632 4 жыл бұрын
very very awesome....thanks bro
@sleepyduck
@sleepyduck 9 жыл бұрын
I love ur videos!
@zinahe
@zinahe 9 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you again for sharing. Quick question; does the probe's capacitive loading have any effect on the waveform ?
@amikhimji
@amikhimji 9 жыл бұрын
Great Video Thanks.
@jospicant
@jospicant 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting practice again! A question. I would know how you made your PCBs. Thanks for all
@arlynincali1127
@arlynincali1127 4 жыл бұрын
very helpful... make more videos please on smps
@taojiang719
@taojiang719 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@change_your_oil_regularly4287
@change_your_oil_regularly4287 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@milanmladenovic
@milanmladenovic 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@petrocksgarage
@petrocksgarage 9 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on non ohmic devices and how they can effect circuit design and troubleshooting?
@RobertSzasz
@RobertSzasz 9 жыл бұрын
Have you done something similar with LEDs? I seem to remember recombination time is effected by the amount of light falling on the junction. I wonder if that would allow for mixing using 2 LEDs facing each other.
@christianruiz2866
@christianruiz2866 9 жыл бұрын
Very interesting thanks for sharing the knowledge. You know what would be a good idea for video. How dc to ac inverter works inside in the electronics. A solar inverter for axample. Have a good day. keep making videos like this one.
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Christian Ruiz I think about that one!
@larrybud
@larrybud Жыл бұрын
I pulled some pieces out of a power supply, including a big rectifier. I thought it would be a good practice to put my signal generator and scope to the test. I noticed this phenomenon and wondered what the heck was going on!
@CE113378
@CE113378 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Can you do a video on the physics of Schottky diodes? If they are not pn junctions, what are they?
@carentanbr
@carentanbr Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! It is great as always! I have a question. When you change the bias conditions by adding more voltage to the positive side of the wave, that affects how long it takes for the diode to recovery from the reverse bias - I can reproduce that offsetting my waveform to the positive side. I performed a test using the 50ohm impedance generator and a 100ohm resistor to represent load. I measure with the 1x scope probes. If I change that 100 ohm resistor to a 1k, I thought it should affect the recovery time, but it doesn't seem to be the case. It seems like the higher the resistor, the higher is the negative spike but it does not affect the recovery time. Would you please help me understand why?
@octavmandru9219
@octavmandru9219 4 жыл бұрын
I just noticed the EEVBLOG sticker on your workbench. What is the story? Thank you for the exceptional work in explaining "simple" concepts to us. I keep re-seeing your episodes
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
It is actually a PCB ruler that Dave did a few years ago.
@pbaemedan
@pbaemedan 2 жыл бұрын
Alan, what type of parasitic capacitance do you think is between your pins and does in have much effect on the measurement? Maybe 1-2 pf?
@slhxfa1c0n51
@slhxfa1c0n51 9 жыл бұрын
can we built a constant current source given the voltage source we have is AC and it's constant. we need to vary the impedance and still the constant please answer am stuck.
@rapsod1911
@rapsod1911 9 жыл бұрын
Can you show spectrum of signal at 10:05? Is it possible to make sampling phase detector at home with 1n4148? Isn't that good idea for next video :) Only problem as I can see is that SRD produce spikes with sin. signal while 1n4148 need bipolar square.
@nrdesign1991
@nrdesign1991 9 жыл бұрын
I had much hassle with a UF4007 at work, they massively change their Trr and the current spike with temperature, too!
@warrencurry874
@warrencurry874 7 жыл бұрын
That is quite a dramatic demonstration of "reverse recovery" time for various types of diodes. Before watching your video, reverse recovery time was just a number on the spec sheet that was respected, but seeing it "on the screen' really brought the meaning home. Thank you. WA9KZY.
@andrewferg8737
@andrewferg8737 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Do you have a video about double diodes? I see lots of them in my junk box, usually from old switching power supplies. I used to think they were transistors.... I still don't know what they're for.
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
They are usually used either to save space where two diodes would be used (such as in current steer applications, switching applications), or when thermal matching is important for circuit operation - or both.
@andrewferg8737
@andrewferg8737 4 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew Thanks for the reply. Hope you are doing well. Stay healthy!
@nil7208
@nil7208 Ай бұрын
Hi have you tried an OA79 point contact Ge diode? I have a bunch of them and since it is very old, I could not find data sheet spec on timing.
@w2aew
@w2aew Ай бұрын
Never had one to try. Give it a go and let us know what you find!
@ChrisCoulston
@ChrisCoulston 8 жыл бұрын
@7:39 The transition from -1v to 1v seems to produce some overshoot and ringing. Can you conjecture what causes this? Maybe PN junction capacitance plus stray inductance in your setup? @8:10 Given a fixed forward bias voltage, I would guess that the area under the reverse recovery curve is constant. So increasing the reverse voltage level increases the amplitude and decreases the duration. Thanks for the quality videos.
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
Yes on both counts. I believe the ringing is due to the device and parasitic capacitance, along with probe ground lead and other stray inductance.
@power-max
@power-max 4 жыл бұрын
Could standard rectifiers then be used in RF applications? Like the classic 1N4004, of which I have a bunch? Or is the junction capacitance going to cause them to conduct RF through them even while reverse biased? 8:01 is the "area under the curve" conserved? it almost looks so. If so wouldn't it be more sensible to specify reverse recovery time instead as a charge instead of a time? Is there any phenomenon that may cause a diode to be "slow" to enter forward bias? Like for the use of clamping a signal between supply rails on an H bridge?
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on what you want to use them for. They won't work well in rectifier applications at RF, but they might work well in switch applications where the extra reverse recovery period may help out. Yes, the larger capacitance would provide less isolation compared to a PIN diode, but depending on the operating frequency, it might not be that bad.
@power-max
@power-max 4 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew Thanks! I just looked at the 4004 datasheet and see at low voltages it has 20pF capacitance, although i'm not sure what the reverse recovery time is. 8:01 is the "area under the curve" conserved? it almost looks so. If so wouldn't it be more sensible to specify reverse recovery time instead as a charge instead of a time? But I guess to really represent it most accurately you'd need to derive some sort of mathematical model
@power-max
@power-max 8 жыл бұрын
Outside of this junction capacitance and reverse recovery time, what are other limiting factors to device switching speed? Are there any limitations to how fast a diode conducts when flipping from reverse bias conditions to forward bias conditions? Great video BTW!
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
This is the bulk of it. There are a myriad of secondary and parasitic related effects of course, but the charge storage is the biggie.
@shiweiluan
@shiweiluan 7 жыл бұрын
I saw a small scope model sitting on the function generator. Where to buy it, please? Thank you.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
That is actually a USB memory stick - it was a promotional item that Tektronix made when the MDO3000 scope was introduced. I don't think you can buy it anywhere.
@kristhetrader5029
@kristhetrader5029 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Alan again, as said excellent video, can you explain Schottky diodes at some point too?
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Kris TheTrader I'll add that to the list...
@legalengineer
@legalengineer 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these very informative fundamentals videos. I would appreciate a video on JFETs particularly with reference to correctly biasing, and also any content in the field of RF oscillators and frequency multipliers for VHF and UHF.
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
legalengineer Yes, JFET tutorials have been on my list for a while too. Haven't gotten to them yet...
@dalenassar9152
@dalenassar9152 5 жыл бұрын
At about 8:42 when you placed the "power diode" with the 1N4001, you stated that it (the 1N4001) had a "longer" Trr. On the scope it looked like the Trr was actually a bit shorter: Am I mistaken? Thanks again for the great videos!
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
The duration of time that the reverse current is at the lower plateau is longer. The overall recovery time is longer (even though the risetime is a bit faster).
@pbaemedan
@pbaemedan 2 жыл бұрын
Alan, thanks for the video, so the flat area prior to the exponential is the diode storage time and the exp time the transient time and the 2 added together give us the total transient recovery time.
@w2aew
@w2aew 2 жыл бұрын
Basically yes. Here's a more detailed description: www.eeweb.com/reverse-recovery-time/
@pbaemedan
@pbaemedan 2 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew thank you for the information.
@SeekingUnity
@SeekingUnity 7 жыл бұрын
Could you explain the theory behind why the recovery time is shorter when you apply a greater reverse bias? Wouldnt that enhance the space charge region making it take longer to recover? Also what is with the lack of recovery going from positive to negative bias? Thanks!
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
There is basically a fixed amount of charge stored in the junction, so increasing the reverse bias causes this charge to be swept out faster. The stored charge is there when the diode is conducting, and can be thought of as allowing the conduction to happen. So, when the bias is changed from forward to negative, the device still conducts, just the current reverses. Conduction continues until the charge is removed.
@richardnanis
@richardnanis 4 жыл бұрын
how did you generate this perfect square input signal - probably from a proper signal generator? How could you easily generate a fast slope good square signal without a decent signal generator? Is a NE555-timer good enough for this? I dont think so - so what could you use in a very simple aproach?
@w2aew
@w2aew 4 жыл бұрын
A 555 probably wouldn't be fast enough, or have enough drive capability. You could use an oscillator like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNuInNd-sJmsg3U.html
@pericharis7811
@pericharis7811 6 ай бұрын
Hello ,diode bars can be recovered?
@michaellove7912
@michaellove7912 3 жыл бұрын
I will thumb up first, then watch your video
@rfengr00
@rfengr00 9 жыл бұрын
Nice video. So I take it the reason why PIN are used is that they have a much lower reversed bias capacitance than rectifier diodes, since both have long recovery times?
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Louis Brown Precisely.
@sgsits2010
@sgsits2010 10 ай бұрын
Can you help me to design RF to DC conversion circuit. Which book to refer ?
@w2aew
@w2aew 10 ай бұрын
Have you seen my video on the RF Detector Probe?
@Alksbbch
@Alksbbch 6 жыл бұрын
Can you test 200 and 600 V shotky diodes and MUR860?
@w2aew
@w2aew 6 жыл бұрын
I do not have equipment to test hv diodes like these.
@divya7520
@divya7520 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, when it is said that voltage source is applied to a diode, what does that mean ? 1.whether higher energies are supplied to already existing charge carriers inside the diode ? or 2. whether high energy electrons are supplied by voltage source ?
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
The voltage applies a force to the electrons, causing them to flow/move.
@divya7520
@divya7520 7 жыл бұрын
w2aew Hi, thanks for the reply. but we have read in lower classes that a battery has two electrodes and the electrons travel from negative electrode to positive electrode.
@w2aew
@w2aew 7 жыл бұрын
That is true. The electrons flow due to the voltage (Electromotive Force) provided by the battery chemistry. Electrons exist in the entire circuit, and all in the circuit are pushed around the circuit by the voltage applied.
@sakirtekir7021
@sakirtekir7021 8 жыл бұрын
I guess this is the same phenomenon that prevents saturated BJTs from turning off quickly because of the forward biased collector-base junction. Am I right? Or am I in the right place to be corrected? :)
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
+şakir tekir I believe it is a similar phenomenon.
@SabretoothBarnacle
@SabretoothBarnacle 9 жыл бұрын
So does this mean that fly back diodes won't be fully doing there task on relays and motors? Should I be using a capacitor as well?
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
Sabretooth Barnacle Flyback diodes will work fine - since they're normally reverse biased until the coil is shut off, then they get forward biased. The reverse recovery doesn't really become an issue.
@SabretoothBarnacle
@SabretoothBarnacle 9 жыл бұрын
***** That makes sense. Thank you for explaining it!
@superdau
@superdau 9 жыл бұрын
Sabretooth Barnacle They will do their job for your normal on/off scenario, because by the time you switch the relais/motor on again the flyback current will have dissipated long ago and the diode is no longer conducting anyway and there are no charges to clear. Going from not conducting/reverse biased to forward biased when switching off the load is never really a problem (as you can see from the scope traces in this video), even for a 1N400x. But if you use PWM you have to be careful and select a suiteable diode. The huge currents the diode will allow until it is reverse biased can fry you switching transistors.
@SabretoothBarnacle
@SabretoothBarnacle 9 жыл бұрын
superdau All useful information! Thank you superdau :)
@dannyturner2808
@dannyturner2808 5 жыл бұрын
If the diode isn't initially forward biased and is instantly reverse biased, does this concept still apply? For example, if there is a negative pulse that goes from 0 to -1V, will it initially allow reverse current to flow or will it block the reverse current?
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
Good question! The reverse recovery time is proportional to the stored charge in the junction when forward biased. The "harder" it is biased on (more forward current), the longer the reverse recovery time. So, what if it's not forward biased... I believe that you will still see a small amount of transient reverse current due to the junction capacitance (C*dv/dt), but don't think there would be an appreciable recovery time since there is no great amount of stored charge. I'll have to experiment with this when I return.
@dannyturner2808
@dannyturner2808 5 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew Thanks for such a quick response! I did some digging around and some modeling in SPICE over the past day or so and reached the same conclusion as you, it allows a small amount of current due to the capacitance of the diode, but it is for a very short period of time. Thanks again and I'm looking forward to seeing an experiment about it if it makes it to a video!
@cil7ea
@cil7ea 8 жыл бұрын
Is this same effect happening to transistors? Is there such a thing? I was watching a guy on youtube building his own CPU from transistors and integrated circuits on breadboards. He had a knob so he could manually adjust the clock speed. He said something that If the clock speed is too high, the program he run on the cpu didn't give the correct answer (he was adding some numbers). Is this limitation due to the reverse recovery time in the transistor? Or if this is not the problem, why does the clock speed can't be higher than a certain value? Do you have any recommendation on what should I read?
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
+Ilea Cristian This effect somewhat applies to bipolar transistors and how long it takes them to come out of saturation - not exactly the same effect, but similar. However, it is not the only thing that limits speed of a transistor or a transistor based circuit. There are many factors that go into how fast a transistor can operate - more than can be addressed in a simple reply or video.
@cil7ea
@cil7ea 8 жыл бұрын
So you don't think it's worth making a video about it? :D If so, do you have any reading recomandation? a book or smth?
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
+Ilea Cristian I have made a few videos on measuring frequency response - which gives some info on how the speed is controlled in some circuits. There are so many factors depending on the types of circuits that could be involved, that it would be impossible to cover it on a video. Books have been written about high speed circuit design techniques, not to mention high speed device/transistor design.
@cil7ea
@cil7ea 8 жыл бұрын
thank you
@ancelb9590
@ancelb9590 9 жыл бұрын
Seems a bit like how gate charge on a FET constrains it's switching time
@Daedronus
@Daedronus 9 жыл бұрын
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@user-lz4uj3lg2i
@user-lz4uj3lg2i Жыл бұрын
This is square wave. Did you try to see the impact of Trr on sine waves, if others haven't asked (can't search comments)?
@w2aew
@w2aew Жыл бұрын
Yes, the reverse recovery effect occurs, since the stored charge still has to be removed before the diode turns off. You will still get some reverse current flow until the stored charge is depleted.
@user-lz4uj3lg2i
@user-lz4uj3lg2i Жыл бұрын
@@w2aew With a much reduced impact with sine waves, I suppose? It would be informative to see the difference in the same experiment comparing square and sine waves. Thanks for the video in any case!
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
I'm confused is the reverse recovery time the reverse bias leakage current of the diode? because I thought it was the same thing the reverse recovery time is how much the diodes reverse bias leakage current value is. The diode reverse recovery time increases more by how much the diodes leakage current is?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
Reverse recovery time and reverse leakage are TWO SEPARATE THINGS. Reverse recovery (featured in this video) is how long it takes the diode to turn off (to start blocking) when the voltage across the diode is reversed. During the reverse recovery time, the reverse current can be large. Reverse leakage current is the *small* current that will flow under continuous reverse bias conditions.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew What is the difference between Reverse Recovery compared to reverse leakage current? I thought they were the same thing. How can you have Reverse Recovery and NO reverse leakage current? The diodes reverse recovery is when the diode is being reverse bias?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
@@waynegram8907 Reverse Recovery is a very short duration thing - it only lasts for a very short time after the diode is switched from forward to reverse biased. Reverse Recovery is a measurement of TIME. It measures how long it takes, immediately after switching from forward to reverse bias, for the reverse current to decay down to the leakage level. Reverse Leakage current is present whenever the diode is reversed biased, and is generally a very small level of current. It is what is left over after the reverse recovery time is finished.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew oh ok thanks, I thought that the reverse recovery was leakage current but I guess reverse recovery is not leakage current? because schokkey diodes have NO reverse recovery but have leakage current. To me that doesn't make sense because I thought the reverse recovery is leakage current but schokkey diodes have zero reverse recovery but measure leakage current which to me logically it doesn't make sense how a diode can have leakage current but NO reverse recovery. I understand what you said about its the TIME measure of the forward bias switching to reverse bias = reverse recovery time, which I get that part. It just doesn't seem logical that a diode can have leakage current and NO reverse recovery.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
How can you measure the diodes leakage current and reverse loss while applying an AC signal at different frequencies? If I put an ammeter current meter in series with the diode it will only measure the current but how can I measure the leakage current and reverse loss? Does Zener diodes have a recovery time?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
Leakage current is typically specified and measured under DC conditions. I am not familiar with the term "reverse loss".
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew but how do you measure leakage current in diodes and transistors because when you put an ammeter current meter in series its just only measure the total current and how do you just only measure the leakage current in diodes and transistors?
@w2aew
@w2aew 3 жыл бұрын
@@waynegram8907 Leakage is only measured under reverse bias conditions - so the only current flowing is the leakage current.
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew the "recovery loss" is the part that is when diode has drop below zero voltage and ramps up the voltage causing a reverse recovery time. Only at a certain frequency and above that frequency the diode will have a reverse recovery time. When the diode is at frequencies that is causing the diode to have a reverse recovery time it cause a Recovery loss by leakage current and a voltage drop across the diode?
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@w2aew yes true at DC current, but when measuring the schokey diodes reverse recovery time you're at a certain AC frequency the leakage current of the schokey diode increases high in leakage current. So how can you measure the leakage current of the schokey diode at the same time applying an AC waveform at a certain frequency when the schokey diode reverse recovery time is at its worse condition?
@hansolku8673
@hansolku8673 8 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to measure reverse recovery time of Schottky Diode with Oscilloscope. Is it possible for me to measuring it without making that kind of PCB board? Like just putting resistor series with diode. Do I have to buy current probe?
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
Schottky diodes don't really have a reverse recovery time.
@hansolku8673
@hansolku8673 8 жыл бұрын
+w2aew Oh, OK. Then can I measure PN diode? If so, can I check trr with Voltage-time transient with oscilloscope?
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
Of course. I was measuring PN diodes in the video.
@hansolku8673
@hansolku8673 8 жыл бұрын
+w2aew I tried with PN diode connected with 100 ohm resistor, but I wasn't able to see the reverse recovery time. I did see the rectifying output voltage though. Should I add capacitor? or should I put slower square wave?
@w2aew
@w2aew 8 жыл бұрын
+Hansol Ku Just duplicate what I did. Use a pulse generator that goes from -1V to +1V into a 50 ohm load, and make the pulse approximately 1us wide.
@dalenassar9152
@dalenassar9152 5 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO. However I have NEVER (in decades) found what P.I.N. stands for?????????
@w2aew
@w2aew 5 жыл бұрын
It describes the layers of the semiconductor materials in the construction of the device: P-type Intrinsic N-type I have a video on the basics of the PIN diode.
@norbs
@norbs 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting, the power diode shown actually recovery slower than the PIN diode.
@w2aew
@w2aew 9 жыл бұрын
norbsli Yes, due to the much larger junction / larger capacitance / different doping...
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