On today's episode of my homes garage, we tackle the most common issues with 2008+ k24 engines. rattle on start-up.
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@spring-start9 ай бұрын
Great video - have you ever tried the Spring-Start VTC Actuator rebuild kit?
@MyHomeGarage9 ай бұрын
No but I did take it apart 11 months ago and inspect it and checked the spring and pin and made sure the tension was there. I've heard of people adding more airing tension and having success. I did not find that to help this cause. But if you can correct the issue cheaply go for it
@spring-start8 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage Yes for sure. The Spring- Start kits are cheap, brand new spring and if you need them brand new seals.
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
@@spring-start thats awesome I'll pin the comment only issue is tooth wear and actually actuator plate wear. But if it's a low milage and a kit like that can get you going that's great news.
@forestpassineau8 ай бұрын
I tried the spring-start kit replacing the vtc spring and it did not fix the issue. 12/20/2023 Update: I can confirm that the @spring-start upgraded extreme spring kit resolves persistant hard to resolve vtc cold start rattle issues on 2014 honda cr-v vehicles. I was battling this rattle on cold start issue for a year and originally installed the somewhat weaker spring-start originally provided which unfortunatly for me did not fix my issue. Upon further discussion with spring-start's amazing customer service and feedback we determined that my vehicle likley needed a stiffer/higher rebound spring and spring-start mailed that out to me in their complementary kit. After tearing appart the vtc gear again and installing this even stiffer spring the rattle on cold start has not happened again and its been a bit over a week since replacement. @spring-start is the real deal and I highly recomend anyone battling with this rattle on cold start issue with hondas to reach out to them and give their vtc replacement springs a shot. They are always willing work through resolution till a solution is found and they have some of the best customer service I have experienced!! Highly recomend!! Knock on wood my issue is finally resolved for good with their extreme extra stiff vtc great updated spring kit!! Whooohoo
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
@forestpassineau yeah I had tried also giving the spring some extra tension no change. I also have some oil bleed out theories and actual wear on thr actuator that sometimes prevents pin engagement. I donno. Fun story I was actually @ Honda training facility in the 2010s doing my courses and I remember vtc sitting on counters apart. And they themselves the top guy saying we donno why these are failing yet. I don't think they will ever know lol
@reggierizaev5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video!!! I am so glad that you didn't add music to it and you didn't waste time in unnecessary explanations. You are great mechanic and youtuber!
@MadMaxWillАй бұрын
Did this on a 2013 crv a month ago for my co-worker. We did a full timing refresh with water pump and vtc.. That VTC main bolt was one of the toughest bolts I've dealt with on a Honda.
@MyHomeGarageАй бұрын
Yeah the first time it’s removed it is tight.
@moisesgamez80487 ай бұрын
Really good video really really really professional really nice
@orlandodelrio633 ай бұрын
Great job 😊
@caseydavis64746 ай бұрын
Great vid too! Thank u!
@drones7838Ай бұрын
I recently had to remove the crank pole bolt on my 2003 Honda CRV. I used the special Honda tool it took my friend who is 320 pounds to actually move the breaker bar and I had to hold the Honda socket in place. it took both of us and he’s 320 pounds and he barely got it off
@andyg50047 ай бұрын
You have measure chain stretch when it runs and when it’s heated up. After a certain number of thermal cycles the metal will stretch
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
There's actually a tool from Honda to measure chain stretch. It goes in-between the cylinder head and the exhuast sprocket/chain. And it measures stretch. Regardless. Measuring how many teeth on the tensioner are out when vehicle is in tim is a very good indicator of chain stretch. In my opinion. Regardless yes metal expands when it heats up. There is actually not spec for chain stretch by any manufacturer because there selling point for going from timing belt services to chains was cost savings to the consumer clearly in most manufacturers cases especially vw audi that has not been the case. There is no service interval for chain stretch measurement or replacement. Fun fact.
@ToddKing5 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage In a technical sense, chains do not stretch over time. The pins and barrels wear making the chain longer. But nothing actually stretched. Yes, the chain does sort of 'stretch' when they get hot do to thermal expansion but contract again when they cool off. Not giving you crap, just thought you'd like to know, and maybe you do know.
@MyHomeGarage5 ай бұрын
Manufacturers call it chain stretch so that is what I call it. If you look in service manuals that's the wording they use. Maybe it is used to simplify
@ToddKing5 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage No, I get it. People, including myself use that term all the time. It would be awkward to say that the pins and barrels on your timing chain are worn so the chain is too long. 🙂 But I think it's interesting that that's what actually happens.
@MyHomeGarage5 ай бұрын
@@ToddKing for sure makes you wonder why for example MB chains never stretch, bmw 1 or 2 engines, audi vw all lol, honda rare, toyota rare, some American brands do some engines but not really. I find the topic I Of why some do and some don't interesting.
@maverickperson54437 ай бұрын
We have a used 2012 Accord SE, exhibits a quick rattle(
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
I have heard of a instance where the chain stretched enough and there was engine damage because the engine went out of time. Very rare. Also causes excess wear on the cam gear teeth. Just a bunch of little things that could become bigger issues.
@ramonamedina65098 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks a lot.! My 2012 it's been rattling on start for months (probably 1 year +), but I've been hesitant to bring it to the mechanic because where I live (Bronx NY) there are too many mechanic who are scammers; I know that my car could end-up worse if I don't take care of the rattling, but I'm on a buget (66 yo). My CR-V 2012 also shakes at certain low speed, like loosing the timing; I let go the gas pedal & engage it again to stop the shaking. Is it possible to "only" change the vtc and correct the rattling? or is it mandatory to change the entire chain system?
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
It is possible to just change the vtc there are methods I believe dealer book time is like 3.1 hours. But everyone cheats it the actual method is to remove the intake camshaft so you can tighten the vtc on the cam loose before its locked. But no one ever did it because then you had to do a valve adjustment after. Honda claimed that's why they were failing premature. That's why I did everything this time. And as you saw the chain had some stretch. Look in the comments some are claiming spring start company can resolve issue with just a repair kit.
@ramonamedina65098 ай бұрын
Thanks for your reply.!@@MyHomeGarage
@forestpassineau6 ай бұрын
I can confirm that the @spring-start upgraded extreme spring kit resolves persistant hard to resolve vtc cold start rattle issues on 2014 honda cr-v vehicles. I was battling this rattle on cold start issue for a year and originally installed the somewhat weaker spring-start originally provided which unfortunatly for me did not fix my issue. Upon further discussion with spring-start's amazing customer service and feedback we determined that my vehicle likley needed a stiffer/higher rebound spring and spring-start mailed that out to me in their complementary kit. After tearing appart the vtc gear again and installing this even stiffer spring the rattle on cold start has not happened again and its been a bit over a week since replacement. @spring-start is the real deal and I highly recomend anyone battling with this rattle on cold start issue with hondas to reach out to them and give their vtc replacement springs a shot. They are always willing work through resolution till a solution is found and they have some of the best customer service I have experienced!! Highly recomend!! Knock on wood my issue is finally resolved for good with their extreme extra stiff vtc great updated spring kit!! Whooohoo
@joyelizabeth9916Ай бұрын
My 2015 CRV sounds EXACTLY like this. Thank you for this diagnostic help. How much should this repair cost at a shop?
@MyHomeGarageАй бұрын
$1000.00 in parts between around 7 hrs labour @ 100-180/hr
@ganeshnarayan550511 ай бұрын
Great video thanks for sharing
@MyHomeGarage11 ай бұрын
No problem.
@chelseykallal5612Ай бұрын
My wife's 2012 CRV has been doing this the last couple of years. It always happened when it was cold. Now that its been warmer this year, it still has been doing it which makes me very nervous. Now we are wondering if we spend the money to get it fixed or get her a new car. I just don't know if it's worth dumping money into a 12 yr old car that might not fix the issue for long. Any advice?
@MyHomeGarageАй бұрын
2012 Honda CRV it is going to be hard to replace a car that bullet proof. It’s only flaw being that rattle. If the body is in good shape and it isn’t giving you any issues other then that. If the tires are good. I would spend the money and fix it right with Genuine Honda parts and be good for another 12 years.
@donaldlee99929 ай бұрын
I first learned about this issue several months ago. I immediately went out and started my 2012 CR-V after sitting overnight with the hood open and my head sticking out the driver's side window in order to hear the faintest rattle. I heard only a perfect start. A few months pass and one morning I hear a terrible 1-second clacking and immediately recognized it's the infamous Honda VTC rattle. That was many weeks ago and only perfect starts since then. I've heard from highly unreliable sources that there's no harm in just letting it continue to rattle and even after replacing the VTC the rattle may return. I'd be curious if your rattle returns in the coming years.
@MyHomeGarage9 ай бұрын
As a former platinum certified technican at Honda. I can undoubtedly tell you that will return. But usually not for a few years. It progressively get worse and more often. There are few reports of thr chain skipping and causing engine damage. This is the 2nd time I've replaced thr vtc actuator. But the first time I replaced the timing components along with it. We are thr original owners of the car. So we have been with it from the beginning. When the rattle returns I will post a video. Hopefully there will be no video for a long time.
@forestpassineau6 ай бұрын
I can confirm that the @spring-start upgraded extreme spring kit resolves persistant hard to resolve vtc cold start rattle issues on 2014 honda cr-v vehicles. I was battling this rattle on cold start issue for a year and originally installed the somewhat weaker spring-start originally provided which unfortunatly for me did not fix my issue. Upon further discussion with spring-start's amazing customer service and feedback we determined that my vehicle likley needed a stiffer/higher rebound spring and spring-start mailed that out to me in their complementary kit. After tearing appart the vtc gear again and installing this even stiffer spring the rattle on cold start has not happened again and its been a bit over a week since replacement. @spring-start is the real deal and I highly recomend anyone battling with this rattle on cold start issue with hondas to reach out to them and give their vtc replacement springs a shot. They are always willing work through resolution till a solution is found and they have some of the best customer service I have experienced!! Highly recomend!! Knock on wood my issue is finally resolved for good with their extreme extra stiff vtc great updated spring kit!! Whooohoo
@matthewmoneta79065 ай бұрын
@@forestpassineaudid you replace the chain itself?
@forestpassineau4 ай бұрын
@@matthewmoneta7906 no new chain. Just replaced the vtc gear spring with a stiffer higher rebound rate spring and issue fixed ever since. Hasn't rattled in a few months now where before was rattling every start.
@A1ex05286 ай бұрын
great job! do you notice the rpm was pretty high at 1200 RPM?
@MyHomeGarage6 ай бұрын
Well cold start rpm should be right. But it should idle between 750-900 rpm while idling in drive.
@andyg50047 ай бұрын
Why did you want to change the harmonic balancer. Was it bcuz it was corroded or do they wear out
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
The actual special tool indentation on the pulley to counter hold while you loosen the crankpulley broke off a piece when I was using the tool to loosen bolt. Yeah. Otherwise I would never have a reason to replace it. Although on the sabotage element build I did the dampened rubber part of the harmonic balancer was separating so that is good reason to replace also.
@bogdanmalec52538 ай бұрын
tell me what is the name of the program or website where you can find detailed information (step by step) on how to remove and install it all. Thank you very much for the video.
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
www.hcrv.net/honda_cr_v_2006v_2011_service_manual-1602.html all k24 engines are the same. If you need more detailed you can do on alldatadyi and download the specific manual for 30days
@bogdanmalec52538 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage Thanks
@alicewistrand2108 ай бұрын
Mine has more of a grinding noise than a rattle. It is not the starter but sounds similar
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
That's when it gets real bad lol.
@caseydavis64746 ай бұрын
Screw driver test is the only way to c real chain stretch bud. Compare length side by side while hanging on the driver shank. I come from vw audi world....i know stretched chains! Lol
@faizaanahmed94178 ай бұрын
What would be the price for the repair?
@MyHomeGarage8 ай бұрын
I would personally quote 7.5 hours of labour. The end price depends on labour rate. And always use oem honda/acura parts. So labour wise $750 - $1100, parts are around $800-$1000 so on the high end $2000cnd low end $1600cnd.
@kooreh49982 ай бұрын
What’s the torque specs for valve cover
@MyHomeGarage2 ай бұрын
8ft lbs or less just need to compress rubber gasket
@kooreh49982 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage 😬i torqued them all to 15lbs plus
@raebbb6 ай бұрын
I recently had Honda replace my VTC actuator on my 2014 Honda CRV. It did not fix the issue as the noise was still there the following day.
@MyHomeGarage6 ай бұрын
Then it wasn't a actuator. Friend of mine at Honda said that sometimes the serpentine belt tensioner failure causes that noise
@raebbb6 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage It normally only makes the noise once a day at first start. Do you believe that the belt tensioner could still be the culprit? Thanks.
@MyHomeGarage6 ай бұрын
@@raebbb if you want to confirm. Remove belt. And when you have your first start and you don't hear noise you'll confirm it's thr tensioner. If you hear it it is thr vtc or thr installed it in properly or something else is up
@raebbb6 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGaragethanks for all the info
@MyHomeGarage6 ай бұрын
@@raebbb thank John@open road Honda for pointing that out to me this past year. So it has happened before.
@jimgomez9576 ай бұрын
what does a job like that cost?
@MyHomeGarage6 ай бұрын
Parts are almost a %1000.00 cnd from dealer with a small discount. Labour wise is probably 6hrs so if your paying $100/hr. $1600 plus tax cnd. Depends where you live obvious in the US, it would be less for parts and labour.
@arturoherreraa.72819 ай бұрын
Nice video. But I can not see clearly. Because de video is to fast. Any way thanks for your job.
@MyHomeGarage9 ай бұрын
Sorry brother. Most important part is setting thr crank and locking the Cams with those pins. And when you install you new chain all the coloured links on the chain line up with thr marks on thr crank hub and thr cams. Pull thr tensioner pin turn thr motor and make sure you cams and crank still line up with eachother and your golden. It's scary for sure have a service manual with you.
@bobblanchard9041Ай бұрын
Try changing to pennzoil synthetic and give it a few weeks for it to stop
@lazyrider69187 ай бұрын
Even the Toyota Rav 4 and other 4 cylinder engines of that era ALL make that noise on cold start up. Not an issue if it doesn't continue to make it once warmed up and oil pressure increases. My 2015 Cr-v does it on cold days after sitting all night and my old Subaru Outback made noises on freezing days. Exact same noise I get in a Toyota Rav 4 kzfaq.infoU2qDtzs10yM
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
It's 100% not normal. Toyotas are caused by the pin in actuator wearing out and thr material the plate is made of wears out prematurely. Hondas have a factory defect. Trust me not normal. Honda just can't figure it out. There are small cases wear engine damage occurs by chain skipping because all the back and forth on start up causes excessive sprocket wear. I only worked at Honda for 15 years and knew people in the technical department who can't explain why these actuators are failing left and right after a few years.
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
There is a difference between lifter noise on cold start as the lifters fill up with oil if it's been sitting and a cam actuator that should be locked on start up to prevent rattle and movement intill the actual computer takes over control with oil pressure usually
@lazyrider69187 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGaragewell, they all seem to do it and they're millions of K 24 engines out there that seem to be running fine without blowing up. Mine is a split second noise on startup on cold days. Your engine in video is clearly another problem that is more concerning
@MyHomeGarage7 ай бұрын
@@lazyrider6918 that's the noise you noise you get when it gets to its worse. This is the 2nd vtc in this car. But I proved the chain has stretch after 13 years. And alot of starts short trips. The car been noise free ever since repair. I did 100s when I worked at Honda. Sometimes 2 times same car. What do I know I worked there 15 years lol.
@lazyrider69187 ай бұрын
@@MyHomeGarage isn't it better to wait for a p0341 code rather repeatedly fix issue? Timing chains stretch no matter what, just like a bicycle chain that was well lubricated. I have 109k on my Cr-V and will do a repair if it progresses past occasional cold start up noise like your video. It is inevitable with enough miles. No?