2013 Cadillac ATS Premium (3.6 & 2.0T) Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review

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Saabkyle04

Saabkyle04

11 жыл бұрын

Hello and welcome to Saabkyle04! KZfaq's largest collection of automotive variety! In today's video, we'll take an up close and personal, in depth look at the all new 2013 Cadillac ATS Premium.
MSRP pricing of the ATS, before options starts at:
Standard $33,095
Luxury $37,590
Performance $41,895
Premium $44,895
During this presentation, we will take a 1st person look at what the vehicle is all about beginning with the start up, performance data, fuel economy, the occasional track data, and build quality. Also, I will teach you how to use most of the interior and exterior features in a detailed fashion, that before, you could only get from going to a dealership yourself! Throughout the video, I will highlight key styling and unique differences about the vehicle, any available options, and of course it would not be an enthusiast car video without the good ole engine portion with rev and exhaust note with interior and exterior perspectives. A thorough tour/review of this car designed to give others a greater overall appreciation of the vehicle.
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@TSmith
@TSmith 10 жыл бұрын
One of the best reviews, in my opinion, of this car. Didn't sound biased and I felt like you either took the time to learn the vehicles features or you already knew about them. Wish more reviews were like this.
@treylennon4858
@treylennon4858 7 жыл бұрын
I love this car and I found a 2014 2.0T with less than 35,000k for $15,600. I can't wait to call it mine!
@cme1sthotmail
@cme1sthotmail 7 жыл бұрын
Get it for $10,000 -Tell them it is rear wheel drive and they will never sell it in the Winter. Save the money for gas.
@EVILAKUMA
@EVILAKUMA 6 жыл бұрын
Good price check for history
@anthonyb2559
@anthonyb2559 6 жыл бұрын
Trey Lennon good luck🙏🏾
@Shineinpoverty
@Shineinpoverty 4 жыл бұрын
@@cme1sthotmail I remember driving in snow a rwd, I mean the road was empty and it felt pretty safe. Not to mention I played all NFS game series.
@adamhayden5152
@adamhayden5152 4 ай бұрын
@@ShineinpovertyI have a rwd ats that’s making 330 wheel hp on e50 FBO car and tuned. My winter car is down so I’ve been driving my ats with all season on it and it’s been no problem.
@goodlyboony
@goodlyboony 7 жыл бұрын
Two years, baby! Just you wait; I'm gonna getcha!
@bigmoneyboss7898
@bigmoneyboss7898 7 жыл бұрын
One more year for me!!
@valonademi2853
@valonademi2853 6 жыл бұрын
2 months for me as soon as i get my intermediate
@youngboi_yt
@youngboi_yt 5 жыл бұрын
Did you got it
@inhawaii4941
@inhawaii4941 5 жыл бұрын
2 year later. Did you buy it?
@raymonddav5281
@raymonddav5281 4 жыл бұрын
It's been two years
@cedricm5153
@cedricm5153 8 жыл бұрын
I've gotta say. I love Saabkyle and Alex on Cars reviews. Both very professional and detailed, with only one minor difference between the two.
@KingKola01
@KingKola01 7 жыл бұрын
I just bought the 3.6 performance version. and wow this is one of the est car reviews i've ever seen. You went over almost every single thing about the car.
@LocDawgd
@LocDawgd 9 жыл бұрын
I'd sure as hell take an ATS over any comparable Merc, Audi, or Lexus.
@luismagana1742
@luismagana1742 9 жыл бұрын
Amen
@clo20091
@clo20091 8 жыл бұрын
And the car I want is Cadillac Esclade
@loranowzaradanbarkes9447
@loranowzaradanbarkes9447 6 жыл бұрын
LocDawgd k
@loranowzaradanbarkes9447
@loranowzaradanbarkes9447 6 жыл бұрын
LocDawgd k
@jeffhorton8737
@jeffhorton8737 6 жыл бұрын
LocDawgd right
@CarefreeRambler
@CarefreeRambler 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Congrats. For the ones interested in owning, this is the best driver centric car in its class. ATS should be driven to understand what it's offering. I'm planning to buy the 2018 model since ATS is getting CUE 3. Go past the Consumer Reports reviews and do your own research to find how amazing this car is, for it's class. For the German badge lovers, buy whatever makes you happy.
@DaveLopezMixing
@DaveLopezMixing 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I just bought this vehicle used, and your review told me more about the car than the dealer I purchased it from. Thanks!
@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219
@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219 Жыл бұрын
Ten years ago today! Still my nice 2nd car.
@NDSautomotive
@NDSautomotive 11 жыл бұрын
I test drove a ATS and I was really surprised. It was smooth and gave great power for a four cylinder. And the car was really attractive. I was in a red light and I look around and every body looking at the car from each corner. I felt proud of having this car. But there aiming I don't like is the sensitive touches in the CUE system.
@knhl1808
@knhl1808 10 жыл бұрын
This new ATS is really nice! I also love Kyle's very detailed review on it! Way to go Kyle, I love your videos :-)
@kensterpotts
@kensterpotts 11 жыл бұрын
Like always Kyle a great video. It's always interesting to see what Cadillac and other luxury brands are going to come out with next. Great video
@ironhide959
@ironhide959 11 жыл бұрын
I love how all the music thats playing throughout the review is all awesome, great job man!
@aaroonsanchez123456
@aaroonsanchez123456 11 жыл бұрын
Love this guys videos men. He provides all the information needed. He is the Manual of every car!!
@princephan
@princephan 5 жыл бұрын
Great review, beautiful car, attention to detail from the reviewer, & Prince music, plus you're in NC
@Schrittwieser
@Schrittwieser 11 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2013 ATS dealer loaner 3600 miles, great car at a great price. I love it.
@i4ROFL
@i4ROFL 11 жыл бұрын
One of the best things to come out of GM since the T/A. I wish it had more unique styling, but in this case it's the innovation that did me in. A great review of a great car. Thanks for taking the time to film this one Kyle!
@theblackberrykid
@theblackberrykid 11 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful. Thanks for reviewing this Kyle, I was hoping you would!
@4162920010
@4162920010 10 жыл бұрын
this was the best review i have watched for any car
@MrAlton01
@MrAlton01 11 жыл бұрын
One of the first things I do when I am sick or have a snowday is watch saabkyle :)
@JaguarSoundBlaster
@JaguarSoundBlaster 11 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting so long for this video..the wait was worth it.. thanks kyle
@WOV86
@WOV86 11 жыл бұрын
was deciding between A4, C Class, and this a couple months ago. I chose ATS for the enfotainment system, power, and its beauty. Gorgeous car in person. So far pretty happy with it and getting lots of compliments.
@SwitchedDreams
@SwitchedDreams Жыл бұрын
Hows the car doing? 😄
@WOV86
@WOV86 Жыл бұрын
@@SwitchedDreams 🥴 looking to move on but she’s still running strong
@chasechildress2720
@chasechildress2720 6 ай бұрын
​@@WOV86how is reliability after 9 years or so any big issues to note?
@fanaticcar1
@fanaticcar1 11 жыл бұрын
Kyle, you have the BEST YT channel! I watch your videos every day and I promise you, I won't get tired of them ! ! ! :D
@PanameraTurboSEHybrid
@PanameraTurboSEHybrid 10 жыл бұрын
My sister bought a silver premium 3.6 v6 with the black chrome trim. She had all windows tinted double tinted 20% and windshield @ 20%. Its a beauty.
@tonicipriani
@tonicipriani 11 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this. Thanks Kyle! Can't wait to try one myself.
@DailyDriver.
@DailyDriver. 2 жыл бұрын
I miss this style saabkyle04 stuff
@colenkas44
@colenkas44 10 жыл бұрын
Cadillacs used to appeal to only old people but not anymore. The brand has completely changed and for the better. This car is just as good as any BMW 3 series or Audi a4.
@quanbrooklynkid7776
@quanbrooklynkid7776 Ай бұрын
Yea
@SSPanzee
@SSPanzee 11 жыл бұрын
Kyle I appreciate what you're doing. Can see the work you connect with passion KEEP IT UP MAN ;)
@RODikUlus
@RODikUlus 11 жыл бұрын
Very good video with information. I looked at another on the ATS where the reviewer showed the center pass through, and actually said there was no folding down seats. Upon just seeing this, I have to admit I got excited. Thinking about getting this car. I think that Cadillac will put an 8 speed in later to replace the 6 speed, and I hope they change the guage cluster to an all digital configurable one like in the XTS.
@ada98a1
@ada98a1 7 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2014 3.6 RWD Luxury, Love it!!!
@ApocTheLegend
@ApocTheLegend 6 жыл бұрын
I think I've finally found my temp car til my new lease starts. Less than $15k for one of these babies I cant pass that up
@norcalguaponorcalguapo6773
@norcalguaponorcalguapo6773 4 жыл бұрын
How. R u likening it. I have the same mindset I am thinking the same. How is gas milage? I would be driving 120 miles a day
@tyler6636
@tyler6636 4 жыл бұрын
NorCalguapo NorCalguapo hey i just got one with 100k miles for $14k and it’s amazing definitely the best car you can get for cheap. i have the 3.6 liter v6 engine and i get 25 MPH avg w city & highway driving spilt evenly. and that’s with 91 octane premium fuel. altho the 3.6 is nice and has an amazing growl; i never find myself using the power. (i’m 21 but drive this caddy like an old man), so i wish i would have opted for one of the 2 liters which has even better MPG; possibly even 30 avg on the base 2 liter.
@ApocTheLegend
@ApocTheLegend 4 жыл бұрын
@@norcalguaponorcalguapo6773 i actually ended up going with a 2013 audi a5
@sickfoo5506
@sickfoo5506 3 жыл бұрын
@@tyler6636 how is often do you maintenance and have you had any issues?
@tyler6636
@tyler6636 3 жыл бұрын
@@sickfoo5506 hey i got high mileage maintenance done, i usually take my car to the mechanic for an inspection about 2-4 times a year & just get done the services he recommends! I do however have an oil leak on my rear differential that needs to be attended to. Other than that no issues. Make sure you have a pre-purchase inspection done on whatever car you’re buying by a mechanic you trust, cadillac or not.
@m1chelangel01
@m1chelangel01 11 жыл бұрын
Kyle, amazing video yet again. Thank you :)
@ACESFC21
@ACESFC21 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. I just ordered myself an ATS 2.0T....Unfortunetly I have to wait almost 3 months to get it. The one complaint I have is the gauge cluster seems dull in comparison to the rest of the interior.
@SiegePerilousEsauMaltomite
@SiegePerilousEsauMaltomite 9 жыл бұрын
A damn good review here, folks. MALT LIQUOR
@madkandi
@madkandi 3 жыл бұрын
YES VLADIMIR DANK WEED
@JeffBazell
@JeffBazell 7 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous car. I bought one. The 2.0 Turbo, AWD. Red with red leather interior. Amazing technology.
@davidhenriquez6144
@davidhenriquez6144 7 жыл бұрын
Jeff Bazell how do you like it so far?good on gas with plenty of acceleration?any electrical problem.great choice brother and congratulations.did you get the one with parking assist?
@LuisMartinez-yn1st
@LuisMartinez-yn1st 7 жыл бұрын
Jeff Bazell how do you like it bro ? Have you had any problems with it ?
@chefe2152
@chefe2152 6 жыл бұрын
Jeff Bazell how is your experience with it so far? Any trips to garage?
@EVILAKUMA
@EVILAKUMA 6 жыл бұрын
Emil Niec woderimg the same thing...i made a post on cadillac forums 2013 ats as i am in a middle of a transaction and i need to know...i got sold on the looks
@KCMrecordings
@KCMrecordings 6 жыл бұрын
Toronto_NDN as an ATS owner myself, I'll admit it's had two major problems that needed warranty work. 1, the intercoler for the turbos needed to be replaced (noticed my engine temp running slightly higher than normal). 2, my cue system stopped responding to touch input. Lucky for me, I had the 50k bumper to bumper warranty along with the 70k power train. If the powertrain does fail, I'm dropping a v8 in it lol. Also I can't speak on the awd system or auto as I have the rwd manual. I will say this though, if you maintain the interior well, that leather will last decades (have the red interior and haven't seen any color changing/fading). Caddy uses true premium materials unlike the Germans and their "MB -Tex" leather. Going on 5 years and the interior looks like the day it was bought, minus some wear on the drivers seat, and some self inflicted scuffs on the will plates from uncaring friends.
@Bzapp725
@Bzapp725 11 жыл бұрын
This car and the review are equally fantastic
@DigableDude
@DigableDude 11 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed! nice job Caddy!
@MrJkboy21
@MrJkboy21 4 жыл бұрын
Man I rode in a lot cars but don’t no car has a smooth ride like the Cadillac man it feel like I was on a plain went over couple Bumps speed bumps still felt smooth this car is very well built man damn I love the way a Cadillac feels on the rode man😫💯💯💯
@MarchettiAutomobili
@MarchettiAutomobili 11 жыл бұрын
That exhaust sound is pretty nice! :o
@pistolierer
@pistolierer 11 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Kyle do a review on either a 80's or a 90's Chrysler Imperial. Those cars are sweet and don't get the respect that they deserve.
@Trades46
@Trades46 11 жыл бұрын
The ATS is a very nice car. I brought a C350 because my family's preference for Mercedes, but the Cadillac is highly attractive in design and power-train. I didn't like it too much back then, but the design is starting to grow on me. (Unlike the F30 3er)
@JimexJimex
@JimexJimex 11 жыл бұрын
Yeeeep. I enjoy your consistency a lot.
@runningman45420
@runningman45420 11 жыл бұрын
yay! I've been waiting for this one
@xXFL4WL3Ss
@xXFL4WL3Ss 10 жыл бұрын
Saabkyle04 when are you going to have a review on the new 2014 CTS??
@jasonlarson3399
@jasonlarson3399 11 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much live your details
@adrianfrazier9202
@adrianfrazier9202 5 жыл бұрын
I bought the 3.6 ATS a few years ago. I love it. You have to be pretty good with computers to get the album art to display from your usb drive.
@DaudJamshaid
@DaudJamshaid 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry I just saw this message. How do you display cover art?
@ianscheurer
@ianscheurer 2 жыл бұрын
@@DaudJamshaid you say that like he texted you
@pinballrick6031
@pinballrick6031 8 ай бұрын
@@ianscheurer You say that like you were texting him
@Gabriel2.0
@Gabriel2.0 11 жыл бұрын
I always like your videos before watching them
@mihirghate4997
@mihirghate4997 11 жыл бұрын
Very cool video!!! You are my favourite person on KZfaq
@stretchjosh
@stretchjosh 11 жыл бұрын
Like watching your videos lol, I like cars so just watching the videos gives me my daily dose of car info lol
@JurgenDX
@JurgenDX 11 жыл бұрын
I'm an european who grew up around merc's bmw's and audi's but i must say,this car looks fantastic!
@bobby44218
@bobby44218 11 жыл бұрын
keep up the good work.....brilliant!
@michaelkawaguchi1411
@michaelkawaguchi1411 11 жыл бұрын
I actually want this car for my first car its perfect!
@GTPTENN
@GTPTENN 4 жыл бұрын
I’m buying this car on my 16th birthday 🙌🏾
@daniel27560
@daniel27560 4 жыл бұрын
you mean your parents are
@papajhonsreal
@papajhonsreal 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sure
@CHEVROLETPOWER89
@CHEVROLETPOWER89 11 жыл бұрын
My brother just bought this car for his 19th birthday, of course the 3.6 I love the vehicle
@Assassin8295
@Assassin8295 11 жыл бұрын
Why did I subscribe to you? Oh yeah you make the best car reviews in the world!
@xXYASXx
@xXYASXx 11 жыл бұрын
man , you are very trusted source in saudi arabia :)
@milliemil26
@milliemil26 11 жыл бұрын
Great review
@iphoneman1010
@iphoneman1010 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Kyle! Keep up the good work! I love your videos and look forward to the many more to come :)
@dave1745
@dave1745 11 жыл бұрын
Gotta say excellent paint finish. Can see reflections like looking in a mirror. Nice car
@xzqttt
@xzqttt 10 жыл бұрын
So perfect
@DSNCB919
@DSNCB919 10 жыл бұрын
I cant find the 2014 cts review
@Scott125670
@Scott125670 11 жыл бұрын
Nice car and great review as always Kyle! I can't say I'm a fan of the gauges though. They're not as classy looking as the other Caddys
@MrStaton352
@MrStaton352 11 жыл бұрын
Great video bro. I love all your vids, but the fact that your from my home state makes it that much better. I'm in Florida right now but, i miss NC badly. I try to subscribe to anyone from our great state. Oh yea next year is our year GO PANTHERS!!!!!
@ladin425
@ladin425 11 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THE ATS!
@Metroplexkickz
@Metroplexkickz 11 жыл бұрын
Best cadillac made in a long time
@NikoBell12
@NikoBell12 11 жыл бұрын
Very awesome car. You should have showed more of the 2.0T interior though. I just love that tanned leather with the beautiful looking wood grain. But black leather, aluminum trim and black piano veneer is good as well I guess.
@MrMiamiswaggz305
@MrMiamiswaggz305 11 жыл бұрын
Very nice car for the price range. Great review
@h4u123
@h4u123 11 жыл бұрын
Great review as always Kyle..hopefully you do the new Mercedes CLA soon...
@ArthurSperotto
@ArthurSperotto 11 жыл бұрын
I don't see why not! It is and has been classy since the beginning of the 20th century!
@squeakD
@squeakD 11 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've been waiting for this one ;-)
@BALJIT147
@BALJIT147 11 жыл бұрын
I love cadillacs, I want it!!
@LandOfTheFreeMediaBlogspot
@LandOfTheFreeMediaBlogspot 11 жыл бұрын
Nice job on your latest review Kyle. - Michael Land
@vizestroowash
@vizestroowash 11 жыл бұрын
Great video very detailed :) Could you please do a review of the 2013 Audi Q5 S line
@s5866137
@s5866137 11 жыл бұрын
Great car! This year there are 3 new models I'd like to watch their competition: Lexus New IS/Inifiniti Q50/Cadillac ATX~ I think you could have a challenge of doing a same class competition video!
@dannygonzalez3678
@dannygonzalez3678 7 жыл бұрын
Question for anybody on the 2.0T when he pops the hood, you hear a bit of ticking is that normal? I have been taking a look at ATS 2.0T in local dealers and I hear the same thing which I am guessing is normal but does anybody know what it is?
@kdu8004
@kdu8004 11 жыл бұрын
Who needs test drives when you have saabkyle.
@ithinkihaveebola5238
@ithinkihaveebola5238 Жыл бұрын
How is the 2014 ATS 2.0 holding up so far? I'm considering getting one cause there is a really good deal in my area. I've been hearing mixed reviews on this car. Is it a hit or miss?
@RomeBEn20
@RomeBEn20 11 жыл бұрын
That Kenny G part was soooo heavenly...
@kinetischessandwich2316
@kinetischessandwich2316 11 жыл бұрын
Really Nice Cadillac
@EVILAKUMA
@EVILAKUMA 6 жыл бұрын
Will i need aftermarket shocks to lower this with Eibach pro kit?
@NotesofNate
@NotesofNate 8 жыл бұрын
Hope you will review the new 2016 ATS LGX 3.6 v6
@bigstuntnsp
@bigstuntnsp 7 жыл бұрын
solostream it's slower than the previous 3.6l. I'm going to get 13-15 3.6 ats next year
@ArthurSperotto
@ArthurSperotto 11 жыл бұрын
I hope so!! The Tahoe and the Suburban are great vehicles, they just lacked a little better finish. That's what the Escalade gives them! Sure it's a lot more expensive because of that, but if you consider the Platinum version, it's REALLY worth it. Overall, agreed with everything you said. :-) P.S.: Sorry for taking this long a** time to reply...
@Fay9l
@Fay9l 11 жыл бұрын
i love you saabkyle04 ...
@Chalfgoon
@Chalfgoon 10 жыл бұрын
Loved it
@DanielBlaney
@DanielBlaney 11 жыл бұрын
This is a great car. If you want something bigger though, the cts is also good to look at. If you want something like an m3, the cts-v is much faster and handles better for less money and offers more interior space as well.
@IKhanNot
@IKhanNot 10 жыл бұрын
Loud is fine especially when it comes to the 3800 SC. That's a bulletproof reliable motor and at the least it's very refined. It's the grainy sound I dislike on the Caddy motor. I have an 06 MBZ C280 and it has a refined and quiet motor. The exhaust is the bit making the sound not the trashing of the motor. It's interesting to hear your take on GM and the bailout.
@Seanheery
@Seanheery 11 жыл бұрын
Love your reviews! Please do one on the Buick Verano Turbo and the Buick Encore!! :-)
@Ambi1021
@Ambi1021 10 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely getting this car.
@1234krise
@1234krise 10 жыл бұрын
In ten years......
@scorpionic3599
@scorpionic3599 8 жыл бұрын
+Kristofer Christensen eight years to go
@bigstuntnsp
@bigstuntnsp 7 жыл бұрын
World Wrestling Videos next year for me I want to have the 3.6l 0-60 in the 4's with light mods and I'll be satisfied
@RisingTied72
@RisingTied72 7 жыл бұрын
Blah Blah Blah I'm Tessa Brooks 7 now
@wronky
@wronky 4 жыл бұрын
only 5 more years
@rompn4x
@rompn4x 10 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Cadillac building a 3-series fighter.
@NihselV
@NihselV 11 жыл бұрын
good to warm up the car before getting in during the winter time.
@archechme
@archechme 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, this car is lovely it really is. I love the interior, and the shape on the exterior. Only problem is, it's engine just isn't powerful enough and does need a V8 option to give it true competition with the RS4/ M3/ C63 AMG.. In which I'd think it'd be too similar to compare.
@chefe2152
@chefe2152 6 жыл бұрын
Will the 3.6 be good performance family car?
@bigpoppa1992
@bigpoppa1992 11 жыл бұрын
I would get the v6 I love the exhaust sound
@jordanpark8980
@jordanpark8980 11 жыл бұрын
my aunt has this car in silver. the interior is really comfortable
@brucec43
@brucec43 10 жыл бұрын
The negative vs competitors I"ve found so far is that the gauge cluster isn't as visible in daylight.
@marc1093280
@marc1093280 10 жыл бұрын
What I would like to see happen to the ATS is this: 2.0T I4 @ $34,500 with dual-exhaust and CUE standard 3.6L TT V6 detuned to 380 HP and 380 lbs-ft of torque @ $43,000 ATS-V @ $55,000 - 3.6L TT V6, but a naturally-aspirated DOHC V8 would be also be nice
@h4u123
@h4u123 11 жыл бұрын
agree with you on that...but flying take alot of energy and sometimes you have to have fun a little you know...or better yet sometime i use my transmission technique to go around the world or the universe...but driving is kind of fun it saves alot of energy....
@Smalltownflyer
@Smalltownflyer 10 жыл бұрын
Does the HUD come standard on the 2013 ATS? Thanks much, love your videos
@evanganske9240
@evanganske9240 10 жыл бұрын
No, but I am pretty sure it is optional on Performance (Driver Assist Package) and standard on Premium. Don't quote me on that LOL!
@thorazine5447
@thorazine5447 11 жыл бұрын
i'm in love with the 2014 IS 350. nice caddy though.
@adamberlinetta2571
@adamberlinetta2571 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks saabkyle
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