This question required Vieta's formula, but before applying the formula, there was a lot of work done to find the relevant polynomial by factoring and using Limits and intermediate value theorem.
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@NadiehFan2 ай бұрын
Note that when you have x⁴ + 4x² + x + 1 = 0 you can rewrite this as x⁴ = −(4x² + x + 1) x⁴ = −((2x + ¹⁄₄)² − ¹⁄₁₆ + 1) x⁴ = −((2x + ¹⁄₄)² + ¹⁵⁄₁₆) The left hand side is nonnegative for any real x, and the right hand side is negative for any real x, so there can be no real solutions for this quartic equation.
@PrimeNewtons2 ай бұрын
That's smart 👌
@Grecks7521 күн бұрын
Much more direct than the case-by-case analysis. Cool!
@nilsvandenbrande80712 ай бұрын
Once you have established the quartic polynomial with 4 real roots, you can also use newton's sum to obtain the sum of the squares of the roots.
@PrimeNewtons2 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I never knew it existed.
@fossilofmed54212 ай бұрын
Your voice and speed make things easier. The way you explained and those steps you arranged to digest the problem, that is what ideal teacher did. I am medical personnel yet I can easily follow what you are doing, well with some self research and basic calculus, which I got C, in university time. Anyway I think many teachers should learn how to explain just like you do.😊
@davidturner98272 ай бұрын
I would have glossed over the word “real”, written 14² - 2, and wondered why I had so much time left.
@angelmendez-rivera3512 ай бұрын
The answer would be 0, not 14^2 - 2, even if glossing over the word 'real,' via Vieta's formulae.
@rollno50912 ай бұрын
All videos are outstanding
@francaishaitam67082 ай бұрын
the vieta's formula is fire . do a proof of it pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.
@ihti202 ай бұрын
Any polynomial is divisible by x-r. Write p(x)=a(n)*x^n+a(n-1)*x^(n-1)+...+a2*x²+a1*x+a0=an(x-r1)(x-r2)...(x-rn). Distribute the parentheses on the right side and Bob's your mother's brother, it works for any power.
@moeberry82262 ай бұрын
Amazing video bro, in the beginning I was thinking about solving the real quartic head on but then realized those roots are going to be irrational since the rational root theorem failed and then said there must be a easier way and then remembered Vietas formula. If the roots were rational then squaring them and adding them up would have been too easy. Also I want to point out that the intermediate value theorem only applies to continuous functions for those who don’t know.
@dneary2 ай бұрын
At 11:00 you can rewrite x^4+4x^2+x+1 as x^4 + (x+2)^2/4 + 15x^2/4 which is obviously always positive
@brahimsebbata90365 күн бұрын
is that he should do in order the case1 and 2
@BartBuzz2 ай бұрын
You made this problem look so easy! I would have to do many examples like this one to develop the skills needed.
@begula_chan2 ай бұрын
Hello there, from Russian Olympiad Community! Love you videos very much❤
@cosmosapien59710 күн бұрын
You can take the derivative of the quartic to get a cubic and then find it's zeros (by manipulation or by the formula for roots of a cubic). This will essentially give you where the curve of the quartic turns, which will tell you how many real roots it has. Then, as someone pointed out, use Newton's sums to get sum of any power of roots. I didn't know about this.
@kylerapperdeoverlorde2 ай бұрын
This is mind blowing
@secret123922 ай бұрын
Love your videos! I was curious, as I couldn't really find anything particularly useful googling, is it at all possible to differentiate a tetrated function, where the base is the constant and the variable is the superexponent?
@blackovich2 ай бұрын
Amazing teacher
@emil81202 ай бұрын
great video!
@herbertsusmann9862 ай бұрын
Very good! I would have never gotten past the first aha! moment where you broke up the 14 term as 16 and 2. Brilliant!
@nasrullahhusnan2289Ай бұрын
Awesome problem explained in awesome way on how to solve it.
@agus31112 ай бұрын
Thank you Sir
@GWaters-xr1fv18 күн бұрын
Mr. Prime Newtons : As mentioned by many below your style of explanation and delivery are really nice - very measured and clear. Well done ! This is an interesting problem, and you do justice to it. However, the part that leaves me somewhat unsatisfied about this problem as a contest question is the necessary first step of factoring this 8th degree polynomial into two quartics. One could spend a LOT of time trying to factor it thusly until one hits upon the elegant method of grouping and completing the squares that you show. Easy to see in retrospect, but quite difficult to accomplish going forward. ( Now, if the problem had a hint like : "Start by factoring into two quartics" that would give the would-be solvers a chance ). BTW, in the Harvard-MIT Math Tourney are these team questions or questions to be solved by individuals ? Also, how much time are they allotted ? Thank you !
@iithomepatnamanojsir2 ай бұрын
Very nice and intelligent question
@Grecks7521 күн бұрын
Good job, man! I had a hard time factoring the original polynomial into two quartics and did not succeed. Of course I tried rational roots, but that gave nothing. Then I tried my own generic "Ansatz" with 6 unknowns and got lost trying. But you saw some things in the coefficients that really did it.
@ilyashick31782 ай бұрын
Just wonder for clear explanation how to find solution, trying follow the lessons in past and go for future. Thanks a lot for your time, Sir.
@rollno50912 ай бұрын
Sir kindly upload videos on advance analysis
@keithdow83272 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@PrimeNewtons2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@gp-ht7ug2 ай бұрын
Nice video
@77Chester772 ай бұрын
Bravo
@herbertsusmann9862 ай бұрын
Is there any info to be gotten if you take the derivative of the quartic that provides the real roots and set it to zero to find the max and min points?
@NadiehFan2 ай бұрын
Sure, but the derivative P'(x) = 4x³ − 8x − 1 is a cubic which has three real roots and which can therefore only be solved trigonometrically (or numerically). Not really worth it. But, I agree that the explanation in the video about the number of real zeros of the polynomial P(x) = x⁴ − 4x² − x + 1 may not have been entirely clear if you haven't seen something like this before. The purpose of rewriting the polynomial as P(x) = x⁴(1 − 4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴) is to note that | −4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ | < 1 for any sufficiently large |x| so −1 < −4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ < 1 and therefore 0 < 1 − 4/x² − 1/x³ + 1/x⁴ < 2 for any sufficiently large |x| so P(x) will be _positive_ for any sufficiently large |x|. And since P(−1) = −1, P(0) = 1, P(1) = −3 this means there will be at least one zero on each of the four intervals (−∞, −1), (−1, 0), (0, 1), (1, ∞) And since there can be no more than four zeros, the conclusion follows that P(x) has _exactly one zero_ on each of these four intervals.
@GWaters-xr1fv18 күн бұрын
Good thought, but that wouldn't really address the question of the roots. For example, for a quartic polynomial ( with leading coefficient positive ) to have 4 real roots ( as does the quartic that Mr. Prime Newtons considers here ) it is certainly NECESSARY that it also has 1 maximum and 2 minimums. But, conversely, that is NOT a sufficient condition for having 4 real roots. i.e. having 1 max and 2 mins does not guarantee 4 real roots, and in fact it does not guarantee any real roots ! To see this, imagine that the final numerical term in this quartic was the number 10 instead of 1. That would simply shift the graph UP by nine units. It would still have 1 max and 2 mins, but would not have any real roots.
@user-jq7hb9dh7m2 ай бұрын
Great 😊
@njyoutubeuser2 ай бұрын
0? Oh right that was the sum of roots to 1st power. Then you showed sum of products of roots to derive the answer.
@himadrikhanra7463Ай бұрын
0?
@kragiharp2 ай бұрын
A root of an equation is the root of a sulotion to the equation, hm? I'm a little puzzled, cause I might not have had this in math. What is the point of taking a root of an equation? Do you also take log or tan of an equation?
@xinpingdonohoe39782 ай бұрын
A root of an equation is a number that makes the expression equal 0.
@kragiharp2 ай бұрын
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Thank you very much! ❤️🙏 I need to take more time with this one to comprehend what the professor is doing.
@kragiharp2 ай бұрын
Now I get it. We call it "Nullstellen" (the spots, where the function is 0). I still don't understand, why it is called "roots" in English. 🤔
@lcex16492 ай бұрын
@@kragiharproots of tree are seen at the ground, ground is x-axis?
@kragiharp2 ай бұрын
@@lcex1649 Ahhhh. Now I get it. ❤️🙏
@nirmalmishra64042 ай бұрын
Can't we plugin directly?
@PrimeNewtons2 ай бұрын
We don't have what to plug in
@robertjohansson46442 ай бұрын
Wow!
@user-ud6ui7zt3r2 ай бұрын
*New question…* Suppose that we are given a cubic (degree 3) polynomial, and, when graphed, the polynomial exhibits the shape of a capital letter N. Now suppose that the bottom-left of the N crosses the x-axis a little to the right of the origin, and the very bottom of the bottom-right of the N BARELY TOUCHES the x-axis. How many roots would this type of cubic polynomial actually possess?
@GWaters-xr1fv18 күн бұрын
When a polynomial curve "just barely touches the x-axis", i.e. when it is TANGENT to the x-axis, then that implies a double real root at that location. So, to answer your "N-shaped" curve question : That cubic polynomial would have 3 real roots ( all positive by the way you described it ) and the two roots farthest to the right would be exactly equal to each other ( hence the term "double root" ).
@GWaters-xr1fv18 күн бұрын
To add : Tangency always requires a double-root, even when it is, say, a circle that is tangent to a parabola.
@user-ud6ui7zt3r18 күн бұрын
@@GWaters-xr1fv That is the answer that I was expecting that academia would endorse, however, such an answer should really undergo further review. Out of the 3 possible roots, if two of those roots are guaranteed to always be equal to each other (whenever the given assumptions happen to be true), then, in truth, such a degree-3 polynomial only has 2 roots (both of which are Real numbers.) When a degree-3 polynomial only has 2 roots, and both of the roots are Real numbers, I would prefer if academia would refer to such an instance as a depressed or degenerative case. In any case, thank you for your informed reply.
@brandonschaeffer11992 ай бұрын
This is extremely complex, about 6 or 7 layers to this problem.
@radzelimohdramli43602 ай бұрын
let say f(x)=x^2-5x+6 , x= 0, f(x)>0, is that mean f(x) doesnt cross x-axis? even q(x)>0 if x=0 in teh equation
@NadiehFan2 ай бұрын
No. The function you give can be written as f(x) = (x − 2)(x − 3) so we have f(2) = 0 and f(3) = 0. The graph of your function crosses the x-axis at x = 2 and at x = 3. The value of your function is negative for any real x between 2 and 3. You can graph your function online at the desmos website.
@SHIV_SP.....2 ай бұрын
😮😮
@holyshit9222 ай бұрын
In fact this polynomial can be factored so it is octic solvable by radicals (x^4 + 4x^2 + x + 1)(x^4 - 4x^2 - x + 1) (x^2 - ax + b)(x^2 + ax + c) = x^4+4x^2+x+1 x^4 +ax^3+cx^2 - ax^3 - a^2x^2 - acx + bx^2+abx+bc = x^4+4x^2+x+1 x^4 + (b+c-a^2)x^2 + a(b-c)x + bc = x^4+4x^2+x+1 b+c-a^2 = 4 a(b-c) = 1 bc = 1 b+c = 4+a^2 b - c = 1/a 4bc = 4 2b = 4+a^2+1/a 2c = 4+a^2 - 1/a 4bc = 4 (4+a^2+1/a)(4+a^2 - 1/a) = 4 (4+a^2)^2-1/a^2 - 4 = 0 a^4+8a^2+16-4-1/a^2 = 0 a^4+8a^2+12-1/a^2=0 a^6+8a^4+12a^2-1=0 Here to find coefficients we must use cubic formula or derive it
@holyshit9222 ай бұрын
For power sums there are also Newton - Girard formulas so we can apply Newton - Girard formula and then Vieta formula
@epikherolol81892 ай бұрын
Too much work... ESPECIALLY in a tournament where u only have such limited time
@comdo7772 ай бұрын
asnwer=1 isit
@RealQuInnMalloryАй бұрын
(x ➖ 3x+1)
@Arkapravo2 ай бұрын
The graphical arguments [and positive infinity and negative infinity] was awesome, but it involved a mature discussion, maybe not suited to younger members of your channel.
@xinpingdonohoe39782 ай бұрын
Genuinely, what are you talking about? Some strange patronisation to the уоungеr students is all you're providing.
@Arkapravo2 ай бұрын
@@xinpingdonohoe3978 It is not usual to relate solutions of a polynomial to concepts of calculus - it may not connect with the younger audience.
@xinpingdonohoe39782 ай бұрын
@@Arkapravo sure, if you're 6 it's not normal to do that, but if you're watching videos of Harvard-MIT tournaments you should be expecting *something* clever to occur.