Its my opinion mate. I would be happy with any of these bikes. For sure I wouldn't extract all the power and eletronics they have because I'm just a regular driver looking for some fun. Btw, the 600s are the greatest for this kind of public. Hugs!

+Pedro Fontes Option 2...buy them all.

+Pedro Fontes Exactly, this is the best option ;)

+Pedro Fontes It really comes down to which one looks best as far as design and ergonomics. I think the ZX10R looks best but the Ducati, BMW and R1 can hold their own too.

I would choose the most confortable since I'm going to ride it most on steets and all of them have 190+hp + full eletronic package.

Watch 44teeth, they compare the new r1 and the 1299 and apparently the 1299 is more comfortablr than the r1!

+BommbasticPL the new R1 it's really uncomfortable bike

+Dirty 10r (ZX10R) i find it funny how some people like the ducati and others complain ( mainly for roasting their testicles)

+BommbasticPL in my opinion Ducati's always been different from other bikes, and that what should be, Italian, experience and different feel That's why some people like it others don't

+Dirty 10r (ZX10R) I can confirm because I own a 1299 that it is indeed comfy, sorry.

the winner is what preference you want and who the rider is the best rider on the zx10 could beat the panigalle they are all fairly similar

What's your opinion on the 2016 zx10r?

+Stan Radley I don't know if you have ridden one but the 1299 is a major improvement over the 1199. It fixed or improved every issue with the 1199.

+Donovan “twowheel_D” Lewis by throwing more money at it and giving it a bigger engine. This shouldn't be able to compete in the test on the grounds that it can't compete against the others alone. For WSB and any other racing they have to use the 1199.

+puttputt1992 Except its the bike they actually put out on the street and its the bike consumers are able to buy. Which is is what this test is about. The bike you can actually go and buy.

+Donovan “twowheel_D” Lewis consumer can go and buy a H2, doesn't mean you add it into a scooter comparison. This is about the litre sports category, which the 1199 just about fits in. The 1299 doesn't.

Vaibhav Gupta why?

Crazy you took the time to write this comment lol.

+650ib HEY man big fan!!!

650ib in the house!

+650ib I thought you liked the Panigale R? You have a video saying how good it is and being better then the HP4

+raginraven31 Thank you!

+Daxboy16 Yes, I like it but the newer bikes are better. The R1M sound better, has a better TFT display, built in wifi, glossy carbon fiber, better suspension, auto blipper. The RSV4 is better than my Panigale R in every single way.

I thought the same

+1FoOdLoCo1 Which is why the s1k should win because its practical (as much as a 1k supersport can be), beautiful and goes like hell :D

Thanks, allcartuner. It's all explained in MCN. This is just a brief, free video to explain the test highlights. Neevesy MCN

+neevesybikes still doesn't change the results, R1 uncomfortable not a great road bike... S1000RR comfortable great road bike... R1 an 'awesome' track bike S1000RR on that day a better track bike (or at least a faster one) Yes i know different tracks will give different results but surely you have to base your finding for this group test on the tests you did in that time period? but its all opinions 1. S1000RR 2.1299S 3.R1 4.ZX10R 5.RSV4 (for obvious reasons)

+Luke Durban it's all explained in MCN, Luke.

+Luke Durban Like you say, opinions differ. If I were riding on the street, I'd rate 1. RSV4 2. S1000RR 3. Panigale 4. ZX10R / R1 tie The S1000R has to rate high because of its creature comforts and overall roominess, whereas the RSV4 and Panigale are far and above more interesting to ride than it, but the Pani *FOR ME* is a bit tough to love on the street in terms of comfort. The two others, well... I'd pick the R1 over the ZX10R if it didn't look like a catfish with bolted-on chinese parts, and the ZX10R .. OK I take that back, make the ZX10R #4. For track I'd rate them... 1. RSV4 2. R1 3. ZX10R 4. S1000RR 5. Panigale The RSV4 won World SuperStock and just has no weaknesses on track, the front end balance being key. R1 is a pip behind it and doesn't look like such a bag of atrophy in track trim (not to mention the GYTR ecu improvements). The ZX10R has a load of potential and I am taking a gamble here but I believe it would be both quicker and less expensive than the S1000RR in race trim. The new S1000RR has proven reliable and fast in its current trim, but it's $pendy and ultimately a bit more road-focused in this group. The Panigale is last for two reasons: the 1299 engine takes it out of most racing classes, and the cost of racing/tracking a Ducati is painful. But if it was just for track days / enjoyment, place it 2nd!! So uhm... just my opinions. As for defending my choice of RSV4 in both lists, it's as simple as this: I've voted with my own dollars twice. Aprilias have been good to me, parts are not overly expensive and the combination of chassis / motor in the RF is just stunning. It's not the most comfortable on the road, nor the most user-friendly but you always know you are riding a fire-breathing superbike, much like the Panigale... whereas the inline-4s (even the R1 to a point) leave me cold when I'm not riding hard... which for me pips the S1000RR's creature comforts simply because I ride the street for enjoyment, not long trips or commuting. Like others have said on this video however, the best bike to ride is the one you have the keys to...

+allcartuner the newest bike is best in MCNs eyes

+Steamin Steven The RC 51 was still underpowered for its time. Was a great bike but the fireblade was already making more power.

+Stoyan Dermenzhiev hah.... no. Watch WSST if you're going to.

Think this is bad read read the joke of a paper. Best think to do with it is use it as emergency bog roll 😅😅

Going to take your advise also.

+Nick Guy show me another comparison test where they've said that, Nick. We gave the ZX-10R every chance, why wouldn't we? I was as excited about it as anyone. It's too long geared in standard trim and the ABS is too intrusive. Make a few changes, like in superstock and it would be brilliant, but we're testing road bikes out of the box. I'm running a new ZX-10R this year, so we'll see how it goes. I see from your profile pic that you might be a bit biased, though... Neevesy MCN

+neevesybikes hi Michael if your racing a Kawasaki zx10r this season and its 2.3 seconds off the pace I think you're gonna need alot a luck with the 10r this season... you should a gone with the ducati this season micheal !

+Nick Guy I race a BMW, Nick. I've got a ZX-10R as a long term test bike for the road...Neevesy

+Nick Guy I wonder how the gearing spread is. My ZX6R suffers from very tall low gears but not that tall high gears... so when you gear it down enough that 1st and 2nd are great, 6th is really too low. An annoying compromise stemming from a track focused design.

+Nick Guy paid reviews

Mike Hedrick one of the best

+Darwin Allen Good effort in being reasonable Darwin, but somewhat wasted here, I'm afraid.

+Darwin Allen A lot of truth in what you say. So many variables. Reviews should try and be impartial as much as possible, and just try and describe the bikes clearly. But what you want, or will like, depends massively on what you want use the bike for. If you want a track weapon, then you have to remember that you will probably end up changing loads of stuff anyway, making the bike quite different to what's being reviewed. Even comfort is highly subjective, as everyone is a different size and weight . Perhaps the most useful aspects of reviews are things like reliability, costs, technical specs and details, and niggling issues etc. Unless a bike really is a complete dog, or a complete star (1998 R1, remember!?!), don't take reviews too seriously.

aluisious I do hang out with some fairly handicapped people, not gonna lie.

+Darwin Allen The voice of reason! I was on this test and there isn't a bad bike amongst them. For such similar bikes they're all very different, and that makes them appeal to different people for different reasons - you are 100% right in what you say about test riding them being the way forwards if you planned to buy one. Failing that they're all so good that you could pick one of these based on nothing more than your favourite colour and you wouldn't be disappointed! But with all that said, as winners go, the Ducati was easy to pick because it's a proper riders bike, it feels like it's alive and it's utterly glorious.

+Visorvision UK The part that annoyed me the most is the complaints about "euro4 enforced 5kilo weight gain" if it's euro enforced, all the other bikes have it, And the first two things anyone will change on a bike, will shave off over 5kg... just saying. However, i do understand the end result. I just wish you'd counted bang for buck into it, if you had, the kawi would have done much better.

+Daniel Mwai seriously, thats my only concern and dealer breaker..i live in texas so the heat issue is a very serious concern for me. wish they would of discussed it.

+YourTypicalGeek Ey guys, I own the '16 ZX10, and my housemate owns the '15 S1K. I can tell you now, the ZX10 runs cooler than any of these. While commuting I average 76 degrees celcius when the S1k is at 100+. If heat is a problem for you, have a look and test of the ZX.

+Miles Turton Thanks for that, I had assumed that was the case with my experience of the last generation ZX. I didn't find the S1000RR brutal or anything but this is good information to have if you live in... say, Texas. For the record, the new RSV4 RR/RF is considerably cooler than my 2013 Factory was. There's a bit of magic there, to put down 20whp more power and generate less heat...

If you ride it fast you don't get that problem

+Daniel Mwai The Duc doesn't have a heat problem. You have a pace problem. ;)

+perf86 That sad lol; Motorcycle usa like a lot the Aprilia that finish at the second place of there superbike testing .. one place below the BMW... they test the Aprilia against the new Kawa.. and still prefere the Aprilia... saying that the Kawa would probably finish third(Before Ducati.....) in a superbike test.

perf86 agreed 😛😛

No kidding. BMW 2nd fastest time and better road bike 3rd place. R1 3rd fastest time and complaints about the bike being bad on the road because it's track oriented 2nd place. I have a feeling that Yamaha's advertising budget is bigger than BMW's. Everyone has a price though. MCN completely blew their credibility on this one.

+Michael Kohler The main highlight was 2016 kawasaki zx10r and rest of the bikes were already reviewed, so to me its a good review.

well listen man. This year Honda's fireblade is back on the podium without a single update, and we both know that many of these bikes, including the ducati, are technologically superior to it. I'd give it my best judgment to say that rider opinions weigh in heavily here, and it's not like it's some kind of dichotomous scenario where two bikes are facing off for glory like the last 3-4 years of world superbike have been. I'd say that we have to recognize that rider opinions vary far and wide, and in this particular instance, they just found that ducati was their overall victor. I'll be honest with you, I'm a diehard Ducati fan and my judgment is probably a little biased towards it, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing that the Race ECU kit on the ZX-10R produced 2 more bhp at the crank than Ducati's engine, ya see what I'm saying? I'm honestly surprised the ZX-10, R1 and RSV4 aren't running off with the title like they always do.

MCN sports tyre comparison test coming next month...

+NickLiang It can be all of those things. It depends on the road, how hot the day is, and what your personal style is. I would not want to be on one in 35C+ weather unless I was on an open road, I can say that. But then, you could say that of all of them, the S1000RR and RSV4 frame rails will get hot pretty quickly and the giant, ugly, bulbous monstrosity of a converter attached to the right footpeg on the R1 is like a space heater. Not sure of the new ZX10R. I do not find the Aprilia or the last generation ZX10R to be unlivable as I have sampled both in hot weather... S1000RR was but I was locked in the pits idling for a few minutes on that bike.

+Dougie 5000+ racing miles on my 14 factory, original clutch, zero issues.

+John Borst the RF demo bike has been raped throughout the year. lol

$10 says they spent a bunch of time playing with launch control features on the bikes and ended up frying the clutch on the V4, but didn't own up to it, and didn't bother to repair the bike for the track test, which is inexcusable considering how easy the job is.

+ChrisMag100 but that never happened so what's the point in your comment?

+John Borst so you got one that hasn't broken what's your point?

+Darrell N its who ever pays the most.

+Ant Wms Then why not modify ALL of them? Because it's only fair...

+Steve C I think the point was they the ZX10R was the only bike to have the new Euro 4 compliance and if the others follow suit they may suffer a bit as well. Could be that nothing would change but we won't really know i guess.

I don't think that's the case, looking at the massive catalytics all these bikes ship with.

Don't know about comfort but in the uk those heat 'problems' are a blessing, ride my Ducati every day to work and the only time the heat bothers me is when I'm stuck in start stop traffic on a hot day

And?

And what?

+steve brown what relevance does that have here?

Its a race proven machine... by two top riders Tom sykes and Johnny rea if you can ride it well enough it will deliver the goods required to be a competitive machine, duke and Yamaha also.. Aprillia and bmw not so much.

+steve brown A WSBK bike is incredibly different to a road going bike whether it's based off of one or not. Unfortunately, of the bikes in this line up, in terms of technology and performance it's the loser.

Well technically they still are kind of 'cheating'. Look at the World Superbike Championships, 1000cc for 4cyl, 1100cc for 3cyl and 1200 for 2cyl for different engine configurations to make around the same amount of power. So technically this Duc will obviously make more power than the compition since its 100cc higher than it should be. Hence why the official Ducati team that races at WSBK is the 1199 and not the 1299.

The Panigale R and the 1299S make the same peak power although the R uses more revs to get there. The 1299 makes a shade more torque. That's what the extra CCs get you. Even if MCN had brought a Panigale R people would be complaining about its price tag. Realistically their complaints aren't about the displacement.

S1000RR no question.

Thanks

I test rides the R1, it was so uncomfortable the bike was ultra aggressive, my wrists hurt after 5min and I always felt like I was sliding forward on brakes... I couldn't wait to get off the thing, in saying that I am 6ft 3 so that automatically rules me out of the fireblade, zx10r, rsv4rr and now R1, all I've got hope for is in the Ducati and Bmw will fit for comfort

+A Jay The S1000RR looks cheap, and the build quality is not so great

Superion Solace I'm sorry, build quality is not so great?! I think it is on par with a Honda in terms of build quality and it is built by the germans, who do stuff properly. The only prob I have is it eats tyres like no other bike I've owned. Then again, it's horses for courses.

kiffy07 Yes, I agree! I did test the R1, it made me smile all the way but wasn't practical for commuting and my long rides. I'm 5'10 and S1K is perfect and comfortable all day. You should definitely go for a spin on it. I bet you'd ask the dealer to take the money immediately.

+kiffy07 I own a 2015 r1 it's more comfortable then my old r6 so if you want Comfort go buy a Harley 😆 just saying

+CycleCruza #classicHonda

+CycleCruza BOLD! NEW!! GRAPHICS!!!

+CycleCruza Yeah, as great as the current blade is (especially if you are looking for a more down to earth nuts and bolts analogue-ish experience), Honda really seem to be kind of sitting this whole round out. Everyone knows what they are capable of with their MotoGP bikes. I think if they did a V-4 in the price range of the Kawasaki it would be a hit. You get the dealership network of Honda with that special character and something-something from a V-4 that is pretty much only being done by the Italians. They need to do something soon though because everyone else is throwing out some pretty cool stuff. Wonder if it has anything to do with their leadership changing to a guy who came from being known for making their minivans.

It will still be a Honda

same here

your right there this test was ballshit

your right there this test was ballshit

+rogase68 Yep, and you'd probably lose your shit over the RSV4 or the 1299 if you rode them, too. I agree with your assessment of the R1 but here in North America it's even worse for choppy throttle and goes mental around 9,000 when it finally starts to make power.

+BuhLakeh Well, to be fair, the 1299 can only compete in open-classed racing. :/

600 don't sell like they use to its a dieing market

+DaStrong Stig Not really a dying market but they don't sell largely because they've brought nothing new. Why buy a new bike when one from a decade ago is just as advanced?

+Steve C true I think they would get the sales they want if they would put out something new

+Tyler D. roadster? just from wikipedia: "Roadster is equivalent to standard or naked" and why do you say ffs ?

1:51

think it is around 20-40% reduction in emissions compared to euro3, could be wrong though. that and lower noise from the exhaust (3-4db?) im going to look into it later :)

+Ian Enciso I would like to know how it affects the kawasaki's weight as well?

+Harun h. Idk but it seems to me like each and every motorbike channel/magazine has their favourite brand. Either preference or bribes idk.

Rider and how good the crew is at setting up the bike.

A common complaint from quicker riders pushing the limit on the brakes has been that the ABS systems are taking away feel under hard braking conditions as you would on track. It's likely something you really won't feel riding on the road as you're nowhere near the limit.

if you ride it on the streets go for ABS. Safety first! If you buy it for track use only then all extra weight is bad I guess.