Amen to that.

William Hugelmeyer How are you liking it? I know you don't buy this for mpg, but what's it averaging? I'm planning on ordering one in the next month or two.

I average around 11-12 around town on a long two lane I can get 17-18 at 50-55 mph. It goes into 4 cyl mode. You have to play with the pedal but you can hear the difference when it's 4 cyl. I was a little disappointed in the power at first but now I have 9000 miles on it and the power is getting stronger everyday. The premium shell platinum 0-40 synthetic Ram requires for the 6.4 is so good, it's preventing it from breaking in. 4 wheeler mag said 13,000 miles is the magic number. Fit and finish is awesome, no problems to report, everything works as it should! If I had to complain about anything, it would be the ECM tuning. Ram has the timing pulled way back so weasel piss gas has no difference in power and mileage compared to super premium gas. Sometimes it up shifts really fast jumps into 4 cyl mode and then up shifts again making the rpm drop below 1200. Then it jumps back into 8 cyl mode killing any mileage. My advice, don't get the lifetime warrantee and take that money and spend it on an aftermarket ECM, exhaust, air cleaner. You will have a 450hp beast! I think I may cancel my lifetime and do it but I'm a hotrodder. Last truck was an03 SS Silverado with the LQ 9 , 6.0 liter AWD. RAM gave me a price I couldn't refuse and I am happy. This is coming from a diehard GM guy!!! Good luck!

Oh, I forgot highway mileage 13 if you like pushing 80-90 and its ECM limited at 101, 14-15 if you drive the speed limit like normal people

William Hugelmeyer Thanks for the feedback! I think I'm sold. Do you do any towing with it? I plan on towing a half ton towable toy hauler in the future. One of those should be good for the payload this is set up with. I'm glad they did this review though. It helped me get over the payload limit. I want an awesome truck that's capable of at least 9k. My 2013 Ram 1500 Crew is only rated for 6400, so I want to upgrade it. We love the outdoors, so that's why we want one of these. Right now I'll be pulling a tandem axle with a Teryx 4. I probably won't even notice it. Lol

William Hugelmeyer Also, my mileage in town isn't a whole lot better. 12-14. On the highway I can get 18-20 if the wind isn't blowing which is rare here. Normally I get 16-17.

+Troy Strain If the TFL crew are human, which I doubt, than they're one up on you.👽🤖🐛

If we gotta start watching commercials in the middle of the videos now, then mistakes will no longer be tolerated..... How far off were the numbers btw?

I got my 16' Power Wagon Laramie for $53k out the door. It has every upgrade possible.

Well the previous time with the 6.4 SUUUUCKED. So it was fair. Much better this time around.

Yeah the rebel should have had that but it doesn't.

I wish they had manual trans PW’s but that’s ok I plan to turn my reg cab 1500 that has a 6speed manual into one myself as FCA won’t provide lol

iamthenra1968 The other truck was towing about 3k more lbs

No it does not engage in tow haul mode

Kevin VanBuskirk Tires, suspension, vehicle configuration.

JeepLab i just bought a 2017 PW brand new and averaged 13.7 on the highway. I'm sure it will get better after the break-in period.

THANK YOU. is that off the dash? or did you do it with a calculator?

JeepLab calculator. I filled up, drove it from San Francisco to San Jose and back on highway 280 at midnight after work with no traffic. Filled up at the same pump and got that number. Mind you highway 280 is pretty hilly and it was cold and I don't have a bed cover. Stock exhaust and stock ram air intake.

If you drive it the way everybody wants to yeah oh can get 17 on hwy tops empty driving correctly bit when I get in it more like 11

Plus u lose tow cap. And payload with the heavier cummins 2,000 lbs diff in trailer tow form each but the diesel will do it easier but they are for 15000 and more weight in my experience

the Ranger isn't set up for north America.

Same chassis but the diesel is heavier. Payload is the difference in engine weight.

Sound peaks with bumps and stretched out at the dash, it picks up for engine noise. At the location of the rider, ~73dB is probably more accurate.

+zip89105 The scoring system is explained in the video. If you look at the numbers I think you can come up with the same results. 2.8mpg, 8 minutes, 2 brake applications, and 19 points for the subjective portion.

supperterofsanity get the big horn with all the opinions you want and it only tows 1k less than the Cummins upgrade. For 10k cheaper

supperterofsanity I put airbags in my 2018, I've also put 4.88's in it as well. Yesterday I pulled 18,000lbs of logs around 70 miles and it did it with ease. No mountains to pull up but still fairly hilly. Current setup is 1.5 lift, 35 inch toyos, 4.88 gears, air bags, and I use 91 shell with no ethanol. I averaged 8.7 MPG towing the load as well with an average speed of 37 MPH.

kelly christensen you ain’t seen it cause it can’t tow

4.56 gears stopped after 2012 they all have 4.10 now. The 2012 with the 5.7 makes for tq due to the 4.56 gears. Would love to see a 2012 power wagon vs a 2016 now that's real world. It would be a bad day for the 6.4.

vaccumme Probably the 4.10 gear set

Blue one had 3,000 more lbs

Wilson Fan blue truck was pulling 3500lbs more. power wagon was only pulling 9000lbs with nothing in the bed. blue truck had 12000lbs on the bumper and 500 in the bed. both had 4.10's

Because you should have 10-15% tongue weight, which for a 10,000 lb trailer 10% would be 1,000 lbs. That number subtracts from your payload capacity, and then when you have 2 200+ pound men in the cab you are overweight.

One way to add payload capacity to the Power Wagon is to put some 10ply tires on and HD shocks or a thicker leaf spring similar to the 3500 RAM. This should make it similar to a standard RAM HD with the Hemi.

this is a monster off road truck. better than the ford raptor. this is a good everyday truck but if you're looking for a towing truck this is not it

Marcus Corvain nah them turbos prob won't last long and neither will that v6 with all that boost in my opinion

+Bruningable I'm guessing your calculation is done with imperial gallons and not US gallons. The correct number is 84 l/100 km.

+MrAnalFace You know what's funny? When I convert 2,8mpg to L/100km it says 117,61L/100km. And when I convert your 84L/100km to mpg it says 2,8mpg. So somethings wrong with the converter on the site i used. (It actually says that this converter provides conversion of Miles per US gallon to liters per 100 kilometers and backwards)...

Bruningable I just plugged it into Google ("convert 2.8 mpg to l/100 km"), and 84 is what I got. Google can convert most units right there in the search box.

+Bruningable haha even the big 18 wheelers ussually get over 70l/100km.

+samus989 Keep in mind this is up a steep grade in a truck with a gasoline engine. The Ram with the Cummins diesel engine got 3.0 MPG towing 21,600 lbs.

+Aaron Fink They pull loads appropriate to the ratings. So the strain should be almost equal for each vehicle

what? it was purring like a tiger

James Thompson the 5.7 has more tq to the ground in the 5.7 version power wagon motors due to the 4.56 gears. The 6.4 only comes in 4.10 gears so power to the ground is less. Sounds weird but it's physics.

My 08 PW with 4:56 is a torque monster. I think their new idea of 4:10's is to increase fuel mileage on the highway. Best truck I've owned and I've had a few.

handz87 Yeah I put 4.88's into my 2018 PW last week, what a difference it made. Makes my buddies 2012 PW feel like a V6.

If I'm not mistaken, FCA detuned the hell out of it. The 6.4 in Challengers and Chargers makes 485 torque, 475 horsepower. Not for sure though.

Shawn Riddle holds more weight in bed and cab due to less weight of gas engine vs diesel.

yes, My unanswered question for TRUCK NUTS is how can a 2500 with a diesel tow more than gas with less payload if your towing is limited by payload????

Nic Mendel correct 8 mins 8 miles 70 miles an hour

K. R. V. Right & wrong Depends if you plan on towing 10,000 or more. At a cost of almost $10,000 more for diesel engine You pretty much can Drive the gas engine free for the life of the truck. Or about 200,000 miles with the extra cost and maintenance . Notice the big 3 are in All out war for HP & TQ For diesel engines. Limiting the MPG's Also in some cases diesel gas has been 50 cents gallon higher in the last 10 years. Most People don't even tow 20% of the time you would have to connect a trailer 73 times. All trucks are superior Than 15 years ago. Sure you can afford it Go for it but do really need it. If you keep the diesel long enough you Will make up the extra cost at resale however Most likely cost more Driving if diesel gas continues to go up and Matenance.

K. R. V. Depends what you're towing, when I go into the Bush and pull logs out, I couldn't imagine how bad it would be with a 2500 diesel.

Yes it comes down to money for sure. I love diesels especially the Cummins but I simply can’t justify the money spent to daily drive one and have my off-road hobby which requires maintenance regularly due to breaking components. With a PW you rarely break anything can tow “enough” and look the best doing it at an “affordable” rate

23 on the downhill. 25 on the uphill. 9 on the mpg. 2.8 mpg vs the 6 benchmark, is a 16 point reduction, as it's -1 point every 0.2 mpg. That means the subjective score was 20 for a total of 77.