Thank you!

+Joe Black thanks a lot! Try to be as honest and non bias as possible. Hoping to have one comparing the Karma and Mavic soon.

I have been watching as some new features have been released. Unfortunately I settled with the Mavic and never looked back. Thank you for the sub!

+Initial Arts you are correct. I rather spend more and buy the gimbal and a second drone but all of your points are correct. It's very veritable and a pain to use your phone with other drones.

Don't be sad! I actually don't have time for either right now! The Karma is still a very diverse package, just not what I was looking for. Many of my complaints have been solved with firmware and software updates though.

+Hector L I cover both of those. They aren't intelligent modes as discussed. For cable came you are setting the point a and point b by placing the drone there then it flies between those two points. Whereas other drone can follow an object using sensors and maintain safety from obstacles. Same with the circle mode.

Thank you! I'd recommend the Mavic pro 2 if you can afford it. If it's too much the original Mavic is a great machine and you can get some good deals on them!

@@WolfHunter1043 I've been looking at the Mavics, but they are just a little high on the price point. I guess in the end, I'd rather save for the one I really want than to spend money on one I won't use or not be happy with. Thanks and stay safe out there.

Appreciate the feedback. I just had the Mavic in a wooded area two days ago capturing some footage. Needed it to hover at about 10 feet and within about 2 feet of two trees. Using the optical flow sensors on the bottom and tripod mode for very minimal adjustments it worked perfectly. It stayed in place as if it was on a real tripod. I am quickly beginning to trust it more than any other drone.

+Scott Thomas the cameras gimbal routinely loses its center and needs to be recalibrated. As for hovering, no matter what I do it wanders. With less wind its noticed less but my Mavic doesn't move regardless. That's my biggest issue, it can't follow me, and I can't leave it to hover in place because it needs watched.

WolfHunter1043 Yeah the follow me feature is something I really wanted. I got the Karma over the Mavic due to the price and value (Gimbal, Backpack, Controller, video/picture quality) as I'm really more concerned with video/picture quality than anything else. The Mavic is a good drone though and I love the size and battery life of it.

+Scott Thomas I was in the same boat as you which is why I still recommend the Karma for certain people. It is a great value with the versatility of having the drone, separate gimbal, and Gopro. For me, I decided on buying the gimbal (already had the GoPro), and then the Mavic. Both are great setups though. In the end, you're paying $400 for the Karma drone if you separate all the components instead of $1000 for the Mavic, pretty affordable for the Karma...

The unit records the video on the Hero - Yes - it would have been nice to record video from the controller (using a dongle) to another recording device. I also found that the unit will sometimes land "hard", (it actually broke a propeller) so I actually fit two swimming pool "noodles" and use them as shock absorbers, so it lands easier. It also allows the drone to land and float in the water.

+I. K. Great! Glad you enjoyed the review. If you use the links I provided in the description to buy it, it helps us new KZfaqrs out 😊

+Larry Will thank you!

Thank you!

Personal call. However from my understanding they are going to stop manufacturing it if they haven't already. I love my mavic pro

Thank you!

+Skipp Turner thank you! Appreciate the positive feedback. I'm not going to mention how many takes it took to get it perfect 👌 😉

Thank you!

+Louis Fong this was between my Nikon D5300, a Sony RX100, and a GoPro Hero 5 depending in the shots. Thank you!

+Gravity Media Productions thanks! Appreciate it!

Can be turned off...

+DRONE CY RO FINN thanks! Glad you find it useful, thank you for the feedback.

Thank you!

+Andy Brasso awesome! No it will not

+Toshiki Tsutsumi no its not capable of speeds near that.

Still not a horrible purchase and have heard of numerous upgrades. Don't let my review or opinion change your enjoyment! 😉

+GDogg Productions thank you!

+Scott Hagen thank you! I used a Nikon D5300.

I would say it does not but that's because I don't really have dislikes due to the actual GoPro. I think the gopro's a fantastic camera for its purpose. Some of my dislikes were updated through firmware and software updates though. I haven't been following this drone for several months now. I did end up with the Mavic and I don't have any regrets, I think it is a great all-around drone. I still have the GoPro camera and gimbal

+Outdoor Life unfortunately I haven't heard anything about a new one. My opinion would be doubtful as they just re-released the Karma after the battery issues from the first release.

Thank you! I appreciate it.

+Todd LaRiviere haven't got it up yet. Working on a Karma/Mavic comparison while preparing to move cross country. As far as getting it to lock... You really have to force the ring up all the way. I noticed it's very hard just like you did. I pushed it up hard then forced the gimbal onto the grip and it worked.

Todd LaRiviere; I was having the same issue! You may have already figured it out, but if you haven't, make sure the GoPro logo on the ring is right side up when you install it on the grip. Once I confirmed this, the grip locked without issue. Hope this helps!

+Dan Maffett I don't mind giving them a shot. I applaud GoPro on a great effortless return policy. The Karma just wasn't for me. Thank you.

I hear you on that one. i saw a guy flying one at the park the other day. he seemed to be enjoying himself. Thanks for the reply man!

+Victor Goossens the question unfortunately is very subjective. I personally love the Mavic. I think its very well rounded and great at what it does. Very small and portable and is about $1000 USD. The Karma is acceptable for portability but not as capable as the Mavic IMO. The Karma comes with a GoPro and handheld gimbal so makes it a little more well rounded but runs $1100 with it all. If you want video quality and a simi-professional drone you are looking at the Phantom 4 Pro and if you want professional like quality the Inspire is a start but goes way up from there. There are many in between and cheaper but again, really depends on you.

That's a hell of a deal!! I would debate rebuying for that price!

+Freddy Diaz thank you! Great little drone especially for their first to the market. Wish it had more intelligent modes so I could keep it. Enjoy!!

I read some where that it did cable cart (follows you) and other features. so this thing doesn't have any smart features?

+Jose Gutierrez I covered the 4 modes it has but they aren't smart modes, you manually set point A and Point B and it goes between them. Others have what are called smart modes where it uses sensors, apps on your phone, or other methods to fly (such as a dynamic follow me).

Freddy Diaz I bought the karma two day ago and on the same day I broke it lol I dont like the fact that it doesn't have hover in one place .

Pablo, sorry to hear about your crash. I have crashed my Karma drone once and broke 2 propellers. (the crash was my fault) I've learned how to fly it better, and have not had issues since. I'm sure you will find the drone that works for you. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Keep flying!

There are some off brand ones but none that I would remotely put on the level of either the Karma or Mavic...

+Skyclub love my Mavic! Thanks!

DJI Mavic! Love it... amzn.to/2JDIHQw

No unfortunately it is not.

+Christopher Fein it does not...

+Charles Washington it has the 4 built in smart modes, but you just set point a by flying to it, point B by flying to it, then it will fly between them or orbit around them. Will not follow in any way

+Christopher Bishop in theory. When you let off the sticks it should hold however as I mentioned in the video, it wonders quite a bit. To the point where you will need to adjust it.

+Karma Guy thanks for the feedback! You are correct, tried to indirectly discuss the value of it having the gimbal and grip included which I mentioned I will end up buying separately because I enjoyed it. I should have mentioned the video quality of the Hero 5 but fortunately most people know what to expect from the Hero 4/5 lineup by now. Personally I think it's great video and enjoy having the linear mode so I don't have to remove the fish-eye in post editing. Usually it's a but dull but easy enough to fix.

+Karma Guy thank you. I try to remain impartial. I will have a comparison of the Mavic and Karma up soon and I discuss the versatility value as a positive for the Karma and the quality of the Hero 5. I agree I should have covered it more here :/

+Rob Marks I have the DJI Mavic and love it. Bought the GoPro grip separately and already have the Hero 5 so completed the package. Yes I spent more, but I'm more happy with the products that way.

Sheesh, I have more... Off the drone is where the Karma stands out. You now have the ability to extend your video composition by not just obtaining the 10 minute mundane aerial videos nobody wants to see. For $1100, just $100 more than the Mavic, you have a removable camera that as stated is still one of the best for action be it on land or under water. Let's not forget the gimbal, which is the single most critical element in allowing even the most entry level novice, the ability to get dare I say cinematic type shots. The image stabilization of the camera helps, but the gimbal is an amazing feature that cannot be overstated. So, if you look at flexibility and value, there is currently no match for the Karma. The Hero5 matches market value of $400 for a comparable device, where the gimbal is an amazing accessory for a mere $300. Now, consider the cost for the entire package being $1100. That puts the actual drone cost at $400 with a backpack to protect it. For a Mavic to compete with that, we are talking about an additional $800 which includes the additional Micro SD one must put into the 2nd camera. So, for an Apples to Apples comparison, we are talking about $1100 for a Karma, vs. $1800 for a Mavic. For that price, I fully expect the Mavic to be more of a technological marvel. In that regard, I prefer put that $800 in something quantifiable such as saving up for my next L lens for my 7D, or even vacation. So, the value in the Karma is its ability to do anything which allows for a full video experience for a modest cost. The Karma if you will is yet another mounting option in the never ending bag of any GoPro user. Existing GoPro owners get even more flexibility because they already have a myriad of mounts to attach. New buffs to the game won't need to learn two platforms being the DJI camera and an off drone camera. It's one platform, to which BTW where image quality is not compromised; yet another win. And while hovering accuracy is minimally decreased for the Karma vs. the Mavic, for most composition this just won't translate to a decrease in the quality of video provided. In that regard, I don't need sensors to compose, or help create a shot. This is done either through pilot control, or using the auto paths included with 4 of the most often used professionally in orbit, cable cam, reveal and dronie. The Mavic does have more pre programmed modes, and the follow me feature is incredible, but are these other options truly needed, or just check off boxes for those spec junkies? Ok, I concede, eject the follow me, then ask the same question of yourself. To speak more to stability and even safety. There are no sensors on the Karma, so there is no true autonomous flight. The Karma as I indicated does have incredible auto paths that will allow even the least experienced pilots to obtain excellent video. It also has plenty of safety features that will help new pilots and old. The remote is simple, does not require an additional cell phone and always keeps you updated with information to know where you are at. Part of this is both visual and audible alerts for a low battery. If you ignore such alerts, the Karma will automatically return to you, or return to launch based on the situation. In doing so, it will rise to a preset altitude of now 100'(because boneheads were hitting buildings while set at the 66' default) or more if you manually set it, then will return to location where it will land itself. During this time, you have the ability to route around obstacles if you need to. Another safety feature is if the controller loses connection with the drone, the drone will hover for a short time while trying to reestablish connectivity. If it cannot, it will return to you, or launch based on the situation. Additionally if at anytime during flight you lose sight of your drone, you can tell it to return to you, or return to launch. Now, per the FAA you can never lose site, but at 2000' away, it is a dot, so look down at your controller to review information or look at your composition, then back up and you might lose the Karma... Speaking more to obstacle avoidance, there is no doubt certain karma crashes I have seen online that potentially could have been avoided if you were flying the newer generation of DJI products. Be it a mountain the pilot flew behind, the building other pilots flew it behind, or many others, the sensors might not have allowed the crash. At the same time, there were multiple pilot errors in all of these from losing line of sight to the drone, not ensuring return altitude was set properly, to just their utter lack of experience, even regard for common sense. Let's not forget the FAA restrictions that were violated here for here in line of sight, flying over people, etc. In some instances you have some of these pilots acknowledging their mistake, but still claiming it was a design flaw which is unreasonable. Again, the newer DJI products have sensors that can assist, though it should never replace common sense, or safe flight practice. In that regard, it's one of those things you should never truly use, but nice to have. It should be noted however, that a simple search shows that while helpful, these sensors do not provide miracles and have still been flown into light poles, trees, power lines, etc. and also based on direction of travel. There are still limitations. Technology is great, but it doesn't supersede common sense, or mean a platform is more usable. I don't need the radio volume to automatically increase as I drive faster, and I pay attention while driving, so automatic braking is not something I need. So, sensors for me on a drone that while a technology marvel, is not necessary for flight or obtaining excellent video. I won't perform that lame little wave those in the BMW (motorcycle) element seem to acknowledge each other for supremacy, but I will go everywhere they will, and while they are praising each other and basking in the comradery of their local forum/pub, I will be off road, or heading to the lake with my boat for that additional experience. So, you tell me who wins here. Lets also not paint the Mavic or other DJI's as the complete, even perfect solution. There are weaknesses to the Mavic beyond the video quality issues that are well documented. The sensors do not pick up all obstacles, with many crashes noted in structures they "should have avoided". There have been fly aways, GPS issues, you know, all those issues you are going to have with any device that is not in the safety of its carrying case. I recognize GoPro had a recall for an issue where it noted a small percentage of Karma's "falling from the sky" that were exposed to certain environmental conditions causing the battery to lose contact with the leads. They recalled ALL of them, and even gave a new Hero5 for their efforts and anguish. I think a pretty solid move. Yet today, even after re-release of a new Karma with a new battery locking mechanism, you still have some who are unhappy their drone was snatched away, and even more of the loyal and biased DJI owners that see an opportunity to bash the product, while refusing to note their product has also been known to fall from the sky, fly away on its own, lose connection, or just like the Karma, crash because of pilot error. Many still try and compare these drones and the reality is the Mavic IS a better drone for flying. I don't think that can be argued intelligibly. At the same time, I did not buy this drone for flying, I bought it for taking video to which it the Karma will be neck and neck, even better than the Mavic in almost every composition possible, even adding more. Make no mistake, the Karma at $400 actual value will fly circles around any drone at even twice that cost and is pretty impressive actually. The Mavic at 2.5 times the cost is now up for debate. But, unless I want to run around like my 10 year old son, holding the Mavic in my arms and making zoom noises with my mouth, the only video it is taking is of the aerial type of composition. For me and many others, this is precisely the reason the Karma is the better drone "FOR US". We don't need to show others it's rock steady position holding capability, nor do we want it to bail us out of a spot we mistaking got ourselves in, we just want another option in adding aerial video to our repertoire. Scratch that; adding arguably some of the best quality aerial video possible... Not flying, but a qualitative and measurable result in product... Anyway, as I said earlier, you performed a good review which is much better than many who seem to impart agenda. The Karma doesn't suit you perfectly, which like anything in life is neither bad or wrong; just different.

This is probably the most intelligent (not to mention one of the longest) comments, I have read on KZfaq.After a lot of thought I got the GoPro Karma, for all of the reasons you stated above. So far I am very happy with video footage I am getting (Hero 6). I really like the compact size of the Mavic but the camera is just not good enough. It's a real shame that GoPro have decided to give up on drones. Hopefully by the time I need to replace mine. A compact, folding drone with a 1" inch type sensor will be available.

Intelligently put. for what you stand to gain coastwise if you sell all the accessories of the karma separately. I think it is a better buy.

Haven't heard anything about that one yet. Will have to look into it!

Well keep waiting as GoPro has shut down their drone division

@@aaron5303they just stopped producing the Karma as it wasn't competitive but the next GoPro drone gonna be lit

@@mrmrjims3865 well I guess you have some insider information, as GoPro CEO himself said "Karma would be the last drone system they produce, as it is a market that is untenable for GoPro to be in." Which is correct GoPro is a camera company not a drone company, what they need to do is collaborate with DJI and build a drone with them using a GoPro camera.

+Luis Ruiz hard to do without knowing what you want or need it for. For me personally I like the Mavic Pro. It's very small, very capable, tons of features, works like it should, and can complete some prosumer work. There are more professional drones but for me, the Mavic was the sweet spot.

+arempee26 hero 4 will work but you will need to buy an additional harness.

WolfHunter1043 that sucks!

Smithy why over 2000 it's $999 for the mavic and get a hero 5 for $360 and the gimbal

+anyshitt it is absolutely more user friendly. One of the easiest drones to get started using. I'll have a comparison video up this week where I talk about that.

HITTING THE SUB BUTTON,, i can fly, but i hate app's , smart phones and firmware and the like..thanks..

+anyshitt thanks!!

61 sasquatch that's unfortunate. Sorry to hear about your experience. Since when does Best Buy charge restocking fees?

WolfHunter1043 Yeah I wasn't too thrilled about a restocking fee. I was like how are you going to restock something that's defective? That's why I called DJI trying to get reimbursed.it was useless however.

Thank you!

+Andre Reynard it is. Just outside of Desoto Forrest on the Gulf Coast