2018 BMW M4 Vs. 2018 Ford Mustang GT PP2 - Cars.com

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We put the pricey 2018 BMW M4 with Competition Package against the more affordable 2018 Ford Mustang GT with Performance Package Level 2 on the track. Which one provided the most bang for the buck?
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@JamesPhieffer
@JamesPhieffer 6 жыл бұрын
It seems a significant part of her issues with the Mustang revolved around the the tires and the lack of the 10 speed in the Mustang. That was also the difference between the two at the drag strip. If you are going to compare these two cars, they should have both had either autos or sticks.
@vernonprice5986
@vernonprice5986 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with this - I don't even like Mustangs, but that drag time was bullshit. 2018 GTs are definitely faster than that. I'll reserve judgment on the PP2 itself until somebody compares it directly to the SS 1LE.
@PF-jn7xx
@PF-jn7xx 6 жыл бұрын
If the Mustang had an automatic it would have beat the M4 by an even wider margin. PP2 only comes in a manual.
@josephnicholls9640
@josephnicholls9640 6 жыл бұрын
The auto GT can do sub 4 seconds to 100 and sub 12 1/4 miles all day
@udmbfckx2916
@udmbfckx2916 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed....apples to apples, not apples to oranges
@thedeadpoet000
@thedeadpoet000 5 жыл бұрын
Also fresh tires. Wtf? Why not give the GT some fresh tires to compete properly. Agree auto vs auto. The 10spd for the GT has crazy acceleration.
@bigpoppa1992
@bigpoppa1992 6 жыл бұрын
Wow they need a driver mod if 5.3 seconds was the fastest they got to 60 lol
@331Grabber
@331Grabber 6 жыл бұрын
That's literally a half second slower than my old ass 2003 Mach 1 gets to 60. Someone wasn't shifting right :)
@bigpoppa1992
@bigpoppa1992 6 жыл бұрын
@@331Grabber thats more then 1 second slower then my tuned SHO. Granny shifting not double clutching like you should.
@milleniallgt9715
@milleniallgt9715 6 жыл бұрын
BIG POPPA should of had the 10 speed auto! Would be 3 or 4 seconds
@tayl0rd553
@tayl0rd553 6 жыл бұрын
They used the same driver to test both cars. Weight played no difference. That lady was just not very good at manual shifting. And the tires were shot on the Mustang.
@richardw3869
@richardw3869 6 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely correct. I did 4.6 in an Ecoboost yesterday that's what brought me here.
@SIgirlsRnoGood
@SIgirlsRnoGood 6 жыл бұрын
No way you had a pro driver after the mustang did a 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and a 13.3 1/4 mile
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
I think the driver only knows how to drive on the track, not the dragstrip. Mustang had almost bald tires too.
@vincenttrotta576
@vincenttrotta576 5 жыл бұрын
Totally agree !!!
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp
@JamesWilliams-dj2bp 3 жыл бұрын
I got 4.4 seconds in my Boss on an unprepared track.
@Matts000
@Matts000 6 жыл бұрын
The BMW sounds better???? What the hell is she smokin! Lol
@Icygt500
@Icygt500 6 жыл бұрын
She know nothing about cars
@abrahamg3354
@abrahamg3354 6 жыл бұрын
A lot of normal and barely car guys actually choose the BMW F80s sound than a V8. According to a video I saw, majority choose the F80 than the Corvette in terms of sound.
@motonvipr
@motonvipr 6 жыл бұрын
Probably smoking BMW's pole
@FUNZO1975
@FUNZO1975 6 жыл бұрын
@@Icygt500 loop
@SR20SSS
@SR20SSS 6 жыл бұрын
massiver cock
@integrafreak1
@integrafreak1 6 жыл бұрын
Any further opinions were nullified as soon as she said the M4 with sounded better
@silversonic99
@silversonic99 6 жыл бұрын
Louder doesn't mean better. Some people prefer the more subtle roar.
@Bomenix14
@Bomenix14 6 жыл бұрын
A performance exhaust helps a lot. Helps the engine breathe meaning youll be a bit faster and betters the noise.
@silversonic99
@silversonic99 6 жыл бұрын
@Lincoln LS no she's not. Stop lying to try and make yourself right.
@silversonic99
@silversonic99 6 жыл бұрын
@Lincoln LS you very clearly have no idea what you are talking about. She is a raceway driver. She does promotional stuff for different companies like any driver does. That does not make her a spokesperson for bmw
@silversonic99
@silversonic99 6 жыл бұрын
@Lincoln LS careful, your lack of intelligence is showing. I think you should look up what a spokesperson is. Not that it matters, but I prefer the mustang. I'm just trying to stop children like yourself from spreading false information because someone has a different opinion than you. Grow up.
@woman.driven
@woman.driven 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely not a fan of how the M4 sounds. There is just no comparison. GT ftw.
@autotrimmers6353
@autotrimmers6353 6 жыл бұрын
Woman.Driven ur 100% right babygirl
@udmbfckx2916
@udmbfckx2916 6 жыл бұрын
Can't believe she said that!
@youtubemanswagroy212
@youtubemanswagroy212 6 жыл бұрын
Woman.Driven im all about german and japan cars but i agree the gt is better
@ActivM4
@ActivM4 6 жыл бұрын
All you have to do is add a AWE exhaust.
@AG-oz4qt
@AG-oz4qt 6 жыл бұрын
Woman.Driven When you see them M4s in person you can't deny they look so freaking sexy. The looks shit on the Gt for sure and performance too. But for half the price, obviously gt for most people
@saleen367
@saleen367 6 жыл бұрын
Hollie has a decent resume, but was obviously pretty biased in her assessment. Complaining about the sound of the V8? okay ... and the PP2 tires were tired (no pun), the auto M4 shifting so precisely, lol Perhaps a driver change is in order for the next test ... just sayin.
@moneyparhar
@moneyparhar 6 жыл бұрын
Paying $90k for BMW is insane Its gona be like 40k in couple of years
@_jovian
@_jovian 4 жыл бұрын
thats why you wait a few years and buy the 90k car for 40k used
@gil4812
@gil4812 4 жыл бұрын
It's 40-50k for a good used one now. Which makes me a happy boy
@_jovian
@_jovian 4 жыл бұрын
@@gil4812 yeah man, I got mine for $40k with 30k miles. Dude I bought it from bought it for 60k 18 months earlier and owed more than sold it for. That's a little scary as far as depreciation goes but they usually settle in the 30s range, not that I plan on selling it anytime soon. Even E92s still sell for high 20s.
@325hpls1
@325hpls1 6 жыл бұрын
They actually really need drivers for the zero to 60 and quarter mile. I've done a 4.6 and a 12.88 in 6 spd 16 GT(track apps verified). I work for Ford dealer and constantly Drive these I have not tested out the 2018...yet!
@bigpoppa1992
@bigpoppa1992 6 жыл бұрын
That mustang driver must of been granny shifting not double clutching like they should to get 5.3 seconds to 60
@ChuckTaylor-ct6fq
@ChuckTaylor-ct6fq 6 жыл бұрын
BIG POPPA .. you sir , are a moron .
@superchargedpineapple3504
@superchargedpineapple3504 6 жыл бұрын
Lance Manyon it’s a reference
@ChuckTaylor-ct6fq
@ChuckTaylor-ct6fq 6 жыл бұрын
Supercharged Pineapple To what ?
@dustinluisvasquez8620
@dustinluisvasquez8620 5 жыл бұрын
@@ChuckTaylor-ct6fq fast and the furious reference
@bigpoppa1992
@bigpoppa1992 5 жыл бұрын
Hes obviously not a car or movie guy lol
@cadsux
@cadsux 6 жыл бұрын
It's more like a mash-up. $87,000 vs $46,000. Inline 6 turbo vs n/a V8. Dual-clutch vs manual transmission. Luxury vs Recaro seats.
@dyljw23495
@dyljw23495 6 жыл бұрын
Those BMW seats are cloth lmao. Hardly luxury. Go sit in an m4 they're pretty cheap...
@MM-su4gu
@MM-su4gu 6 жыл бұрын
Chocolate Milk I’ve driven an m3 competition and they do actually feel cheap
@cadsux
@cadsux 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. But hey, that's what they call them at that price. The same goes for a $95k Tesla S with Vegan seats! Thin and cheap. And that's why I own a Mustang GT Premium.
@dyljw23495
@dyljw23495 6 жыл бұрын
ATTA BOIII CADSUX
@youtubemanswagroy212
@youtubemanswagroy212 6 жыл бұрын
But sound like ass
@Jedi391
@Jedi391 6 жыл бұрын
She’s their track driver? She prefers a “baby tiger growl” to the exhaust note of the Mustang? She prefers an automatic transmission to a manual on the track? You guys can’t get Randy Probst or someone who’s actually a car guy and can get around a track fast?
@gavinbooshu4737
@gavinbooshu4737 6 жыл бұрын
Jedi391 she prefers micro penis too anything else. lol
@brandone1289
@brandone1289 6 жыл бұрын
Automatic is better for the track you can’t deny that tho
@Jedi391
@Jedi391 6 жыл бұрын
YoungSnagGod not if you enjoy driving and want to really interact with the car. And it doesn’t seem to have hurt the Mustang in this comparison since it won by 2 seconds. For the dragstrip sure but real car guys run the track with a manual.
@silversonic99
@silversonic99 6 жыл бұрын
What is your deal? It's just her preference. Not everyone likes loud cars and the only difference between modern manual and automatic is manual give you busy work while you drive. Let people do what they want.
@Jedi391
@Jedi391 6 жыл бұрын
silversonic99 this video is aimed at performance car enthusiasts. What enthusiast wants a quiet performance car? The part about the automatic, I’m not sure what you were tying to write there, talk to text maybe? Anyways, the video is a review where opinions are given if I’m not mistaken and the comments are where viewers can add their opinions. Which is what I did. As for people doing what they want, can you point out where I said people couldn’t do something? We’re all entitled to express our opinions after all, what’s your deal?
@AG.0
@AG.0 6 жыл бұрын
He really trying to up sell that mustang kinda felt that tone thru the video lol
@letsgopoop123
@letsgopoop123 6 жыл бұрын
A G because she was all about m4 sooo
@paulomoniz7326
@paulomoniz7326 6 жыл бұрын
totally, he got mad when the girl told him the M4 was better.
@JTMoodie2
@JTMoodie2 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Let the driver speak. Shes the pro here. Pretty sure everyone else just had american bias. They cant just let greatness speak for itself
@letsgopoop123
@letsgopoop123 6 жыл бұрын
Jt Moodie truth hurts. Mustang is better
@JTMoodie2
@JTMoodie2 6 жыл бұрын
@@letsgopoop123 i strongly disagree. Maybe higher trim levels can beat this trim of the M4, but not the Comp2. They couldnt even use the Comp1 lol, shows you how much they need to put into beating this M4. I dont think the mustang is bad, but the M4 comes from winning heratige. It has that soul and is overall still the better drivers car. Thats the premium you pay for, not something 2nd best
@331Grabber
@331Grabber 6 жыл бұрын
That's the slowest 0-60 and 1/4 mile time I have ever seen for a manual 2018 Mustang. That Mustang should be in the low 4's to 60, low 12s in the 1/4 and near 116 trap speed. Blah. Hell, My lightly modded elderly 2003 Mach 1 5-Speed gets to 60 in 4.8 and 12.90s at 109 in the 1/4.
@alexanabolic5099
@alexanabolic5099 6 жыл бұрын
For auto yes, but this is not what I saw for the manual. The new mustang is fast because of the auto trans. The manual is just soso, from what I saw. This casr has power in the upper range of the rmp, the manual gearing is not helping much and sticky tire on a sticky track are not helping in that case, in fact it is worst. I have some experience at the track, and launching a manual car on a well prep track with sticky tire is not easy unless you are willing to break things. It is especially harder with a car that does not have plenty of torque at low rmp, like the mustang.
@alexanabolic5099
@alexanabolic5099 6 жыл бұрын
Justen Galacia you do realize your not stock? When I am at the track 9/10 mustang run in 13 at the track.
@ShelbygtR-wo8wh
@ShelbygtR-wo8wh 5 жыл бұрын
@@alexanabolic5099 Motortrend tested the PP2 on August 14, 2018 ,0-60=4.3sec 1/4 =12.6 sec @ 113.5 mph www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2018/2018-ford-mustang-gt-performance-pack-level-2-first-test-review/
@mr.excitement689
@mr.excitement689 5 жыл бұрын
Even the 2013-2014 gt were running 12.5-12.7. 12.7 was a safe bet with a good driver. The 2018 is underrated and is probably making about 500 crank hp. No way it should be running that slow. Either that car is beat to shit or there is driver error.
@331Grabber
@331Grabber 5 жыл бұрын
@@mr.excitement689 Honestly if the 2018 6M had last year's better manual with 5th being the 1:1 ratio instead of the mega tall ratio 4th 1:1 2018 6M, it would make a big difference. If I get one I'm swapping in an older better MT-82
@renegarcia7591
@renegarcia7591 6 жыл бұрын
You should have compared the bmw against a 10 speed auto. Auto vs auto
@IMGONEIN60
@IMGONEIN60 6 жыл бұрын
Rene Garcia performance package to only comes in manual so they should have used a manual BMW if possible.
@ishanbose7161
@ishanbose7161 5 жыл бұрын
Rene Garcia the PP2 in the Mustang is stick shift only.
@IMGONEIN60
@IMGONEIN60 6 жыл бұрын
You cannot get the performance package2 on the mustang in an automatic it comes in six speed manual only I’m not sure about the BMW. But if manual was available you should have used it in the BMW also?
@turo302
@turo302 5 жыл бұрын
What the hell 😂 how do you run not even a .2 second faster quarter mile in a 460 hp mustang when i got a 13.5 in my old 2002 with 260hp 💀 trash drivers
@blackgt19
@blackgt19 4 жыл бұрын
He cant drive and hes overweight weighing the car down
@supaahflyy
@supaahflyy 3 жыл бұрын
It's a really terrible engine and transmission that's why. Americans think big number = good. But they don't ask how does the car produce that number. I test drove one just today infact and the power delivery is complete rubbish. It feels like it has huge turbo lag...when it doesn't even have a turbo charger. No low down torque, the transmission would change gears down to do the slightest bit of acceleration. That's how they keep the car costing so little. It's a terrible engine and transmission combo. But that's what little engineering gets you and the price point. BMW engineers clearly care about power delivery and not just raw numbers. Drive an M4 and a car with twin turbos has more linear power delivery and instant throttle response compared to the Mustang. It's worlds apart. But then again that's why it costs more. Engineering is a world apart
@LordGwynn
@LordGwynn 4 ай бұрын
@flyy You have no idea what you're talking about kid, literally talking out of your ass
@supaahflyy
@supaahflyy 4 ай бұрын
@@LordGwynn everyone knows Amercian engineering is trash buddy. Go back to shaving that neckbeard
@SaltPepperMilk
@SaltPepperMilk 6 жыл бұрын
Lol 5.32 sec?! My stick shift V6 Mustang ran a 5.1😂
@libertyjungle-musicproduct3059
@libertyjungle-musicproduct3059 5 жыл бұрын
Mustang 10 speed , launch control 0-60 4,2 sec, with the right conditions 3,9 sec
@JakeTiesler
@JakeTiesler 5 жыл бұрын
Two seconds faster around the track and half the price, with a V8 sound and looks to kill. Easy win Mustang!
@supaahflyy
@supaahflyy 3 жыл бұрын
That's entirely to do with the tyres being cup 2's. Same tyres and the Mustang gets its pants taken down. Go drive one. Feels like a large boat that wallows around. M4 competition is another league bro. Either way a buyer for each of these aren't cross shopping let's be honest. An M4 buyer is cross shopping a C63, RS5, giula QV and maybe a 911. Different league altogether
@PF-jn7xx
@PF-jn7xx 6 жыл бұрын
M4 double the price, and slower around the track. Enough said. Great job FORD!!
@MM-su4gu
@MM-su4gu 6 жыл бұрын
P F m4s are also twin turboed and the mustang is NA. TT a mustang 5.0 and they’re gone in a straight line
@PF-jn7xx
@PF-jn7xx 6 жыл бұрын
m1vn absolutely, or add a whipple or Roush supercharger and get well over 700 horses.
@MM-su4gu
@MM-su4gu 6 жыл бұрын
P F and especially the Paxton superchargers but nothing will outrun tt coyotes
@PF-jn7xx
@PF-jn7xx 6 жыл бұрын
m1vn yeah buddy! tt at around 1200 hp insane!!!.....not a daily driver anymore IMO....transmission needs to be upgraded to handle all that torque.
@LegendInThaMakin
@LegendInThaMakin 6 жыл бұрын
m1vn tt vipers are the fastest rwd cars on the planet.
@ST-Vidz
@ST-Vidz 6 жыл бұрын
iPhone X - BMW Samsung Galaxy - Mustang. There is a reason for the markup.
@ST-Vidz
@ST-Vidz 6 жыл бұрын
@Nickolai SiegfriedI am so extremely Sorry your momma dropped you on your head boy...
@christiancaskey9828
@christiancaskey9828 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think so you guys can’t afford m4’s that’s why m4 is faster sorry to tell you I own a gt350r and a m4 m4 wins everytime drag or track or street m4 transmissions are unbeatable but gt350r is a lot of fun
@daevster6663
@daevster6663 5 жыл бұрын
Lol you get what ya pay for
@ebeebe9993
@ebeebe9993 5 жыл бұрын
XDD FACT
@Rambo9700
@Rambo9700 4 жыл бұрын
BMW will still be working many years after the Ford has been scrapped.
@English2Elvish
@English2Elvish 3 жыл бұрын
Picked up my 2020 301A PP2 and couldn't be happier! :D
@stevenpereira6475
@stevenpereira6475 6 жыл бұрын
By the sound of the engine it took 5 seconds to shift a gear...lol
@fread51
@fread51 6 жыл бұрын
This is funny because the Shelby GT350 already stumped the BMW M4 competition pack
@cjthagod5431
@cjthagod5431 6 жыл бұрын
Latvietis96 that was on some shitty training track😂😂😂😂
@GODWITHUS0712
@GODWITHUS0712 5 жыл бұрын
@Latvietis96 you know that Bias BMW guy in that segment chose the Mustang for overall price and performance over the BMW as well.
@gen1c8rs88
@gen1c8rs88 6 жыл бұрын
Liked the video but the acceleration times especially the Mustang' s could have been done more astutely; 3.8 vs 4.15 and 4.3 vs 5.32.
@kaoshonen
@kaoshonen 6 жыл бұрын
How the times have changed... Who would have guessed Mustang would be faster around a circuit and M4 would be faster at the drag strip.
@averageinvestor4986
@averageinvestor4986 6 жыл бұрын
kaoshonen Its really not. The actual 10 speed is quicker
@MrDede2011
@MrDede2011 6 жыл бұрын
kaoshonen yeah I think something wrong with their testing
@swanblake
@swanblake 6 жыл бұрын
I would. BMW has been awful for years
@kells18
@kells18 6 жыл бұрын
Josh's 3v the 10speed is not faster on a track either, drag strip yes though. If the pp1 has the tuning and tires of the pp2 then yes it would be. Just go one video back pp1 vs pp2.
@averageinvestor4986
@averageinvestor4986 6 жыл бұрын
kells18 I meant on the drag strip
@geoffkh463
@geoffkh463 6 жыл бұрын
If both cars were Approx same price (like here in th UK) what would you choose ?
@thejtcouple
@thejtcouple 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry but mustang hands down everything from the look especially with that orange furry color 🤤 to that monster v8 sound and price which is much lower then $48K too $48k is with performance pack, interior and etc options but you can easily get one around $35K if you just want a beast car with out all that other stuff which even the base model interior isn’t even that bad. So yea mustang GT all the way. M4 is nice just over priced and way better options like a zl1, z06, gt350r and etc
@samuelizuelu2120
@samuelizuelu2120 5 жыл бұрын
Mustang all the way, I so much love Ford cars, even my wife love Ford cars all the way from Ghana in West Africa
@hbhamilton3410
@hbhamilton3410 6 жыл бұрын
I believe the PP2 Mustang is only available with a 6-speed MT.
@ahusic705
@ahusic705 5 жыл бұрын
How come half the 2018 mustang's I see dont have the new digital speedometer? Anyone
@DevPack
@DevPack 6 жыл бұрын
Mustang is faster around a track and a m4. Imagine what a gt350 would do lol.
@thorandmoljnir
@thorandmoljnir 6 жыл бұрын
The GT350 would probably blow its engine.
@DevPack
@DevPack 6 жыл бұрын
wtf are you talking about 5.2L is one of the most reliable engines. Revs to 8250rpm. Would trash any BMW around any track.
@rockefelleragent1357
@rockefelleragent1357 6 жыл бұрын
GT350 is slower than the '18 Stang Automatic. And the comparison in this video has flaw / biased. Take them to more tracks and with proper preparation and you will see Stang losing to the M4. So if GT350 was to compete it would lose to the M4 even more.
@aidenp5768
@aidenp5768 6 жыл бұрын
DevPack Mustang is 2 seconds faster but then we have the straight line performance and the M4 beats it by almost 2 seconds on the quarter. Lol with the wider tires the Mustang still lost. GT350 is faster than a M4 obviously but that’s why they have the M4 GTS. Also the Mustang Gt350 whatever beats the M4 GTS. But BMW isn’t done with the M4 yet before it dies in a year or two BMW is planning to make one more last performance version maybe called the M4 CSL. Check on KZfaq it looks kind of weird but it looks like a baby Senna running around.
@DevPack
@DevPack 6 жыл бұрын
with the 10spd auto the mustang is faster than the m4 in a straight line as well. Easily!
@alexanabolic5099
@alexanabolic5099 6 жыл бұрын
Unless they put the same set of tire or at least equivalent, the track test is invalid.
@Logan-ty4ib
@Logan-ty4ib 6 жыл бұрын
Theyre compared stock for stock. Thats like saying a drag race between a Mustang and a Hellcat is invalid because one isnt supercharged.
@alexanabolic5099
@alexanabolic5099 6 жыл бұрын
Are you serious? Following your line of tough maybe we should bring owner as drivers too and insist both car have the original fuel in the tank? Don't do the breaking process as we will need to change the oil and the car won't be stock anymore? Why not race both car when it's raining with OEM tires then? You don't see the non-sense here? I don't care about either the mustang or the M4, but I cannot stand half ass comparison testing like that.
@thisislife9911
@thisislife9911 5 жыл бұрын
the mustang wasnt stock, the tires and the suspension was altered for track.
@saxahorn1475
@saxahorn1475 5 жыл бұрын
This is Life are you dumb? The pp2 comes stick from the factory buddy 😂😂
@des1gno
@des1gno 6 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a comparison with equal value ?? Or just do 2018 Bmw m2 competition vs 2018 ford mustang gt
@Reypadd
@Reypadd 5 жыл бұрын
What’s the elevation of this 1/4 track? That 108mph is crazy low; must be at 5000 ft. above sea level.
@strykerman7888
@strykerman7888 6 жыл бұрын
The BMW sounds like garbage compared to the Mustang.
@gbonze1783
@gbonze1783 6 жыл бұрын
Stryker Man yea I agree I don’t like the sound of inline 6 cylinder engines
@NORxDRONExAT01
@NORxDRONExAT01 6 жыл бұрын
Gbonze17 Not any of them? I had a BMW 320i e36 with full 2,5" DTM exhaust and it sounded nowhere near the M4
@zackru5h850
@zackru5h850 6 жыл бұрын
fOwl play I love the n/a bmw i6s, but the turbos just kill it entirely for me
@dasdimplz6885
@dasdimplz6885 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Sure. Typical Americunt rhetoric - if we yell louder, we must be better, yet we haven't won a war in about 150 years, because we are a bunch of retarded, back-water morons. Sure. The technology in the M4, and most of Western Europe should make you weep. MURICA, eh?
@joshu-bass5426
@joshu-bass5426 5 жыл бұрын
@@dasdimplz6885 woah look guys we got a little girl on his period
@alexsalvador3370
@alexsalvador3370 4 жыл бұрын
Mustang all the way! This is even without taking into consideration the amount of the parts and maintenance expenses
@1904RICK1
@1904RICK1 6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video...I’m waiting on a 2019 PP2 GT right now ordered to my spec. My wife has a 2018 C43 so we’ll have the best of both worlds.
@cyberspd
@cyberspd 5 жыл бұрын
I believe track mode in a pp1 level Mustang changes shift points. Not necessary in a 6 speed manual obviously
@vernonprice5986
@vernonprice5986 6 жыл бұрын
"Can you have as much fun on a track day for a little bit less money?" Yeah, for what that M4 costs, or less, you can get a Corvette Z06, a Grand Sport, a Stingray Z51, a Camaro SS 1LE, a Camaro ZL1, a Camaro ZL1 1LE, a Cadillac ATS-V or a Cadillac CTS-V. Does that answer your question?
@Slowwagonftl
@Slowwagonftl 5 жыл бұрын
Vernon Price ding ding ^^
@saxahorn1475
@saxahorn1475 5 жыл бұрын
Or a Shelby
@guillermolopez1690
@guillermolopez1690 5 жыл бұрын
M cars were not meant to be excellent at 1 thing, they were meant to be good at everything. Good luck finding all of the Speed, handling, luxury, build quality, practicality, and pedigree of an M3 or a C63 in only one of those cars.
@abrahamg3354
@abrahamg3354 6 жыл бұрын
Funny. That M4 didn't have the competition package. Yet it still kickin ass since 2015. 2018 BMWs are on their way out. Can't wait for the new 2020 M cars.
@Logan-ty4ib
@Logan-ty4ib 6 жыл бұрын
Kicking ass 2 seconds behind a Mustang, but sure. Kicking ass somewhere.
@youtubemanswagroy212
@youtubemanswagroy212 6 жыл бұрын
If only they dident sound like blenders
@MM-su4gu
@MM-su4gu 5 жыл бұрын
abraham G you can get the competition package with 19 inch rims too
@abrahamg3354
@abrahamg3354 5 жыл бұрын
I just tried, it doesnt allow.
@abrahamg3354
@abrahamg3354 5 жыл бұрын
actually your right. F me. Who would add standards on a ZCP anyways? smh
@briarbrain7978
@briarbrain7978 5 жыл бұрын
Addendum: BMW's corporate agenda is to sell cars to people who think they are better built while selling cars like the 750iL whose V10's tendency to self destruct due to inadequate lube of the rod bearings was well known but BMW continued using the same engine (albeit as a V8) in the normally aspirated M3's with the same result! Now THAT's corporate integrity. Plus my 15 GT looks better dirty than any BMW looks clean....
@Condor1970
@Condor1970 5 жыл бұрын
5.2 seconds for the Mustang only means their so-called "Pro" driver wasn't much of a Pro. MotorTrend, and Car and Driver magazines both managed to get 4.3 an 4.2 second 0-60 times with experienced drivers in the regular PP1 MT-82 packages.
@tayl0rd553
@tayl0rd553 6 жыл бұрын
The Mustang's tires were shot, and it was still 2 seconds faster than the M4?? Some fresh Cup 2 tires would've been really bad!
@shiftlight314
@shiftlight314 6 жыл бұрын
someone can't drive
@SkaNarrator
@SkaNarrator 5 жыл бұрын
Why do the headlights flicker like that?
@phantomiohernandez4183
@phantomiohernandez4183 2 жыл бұрын
I had a 2014 gtcs now 2019 gtcs and I'm really impressed there is so much difference
@gene978
@gene978 6 жыл бұрын
She said she preferred the M4 so why even have her drive both head to head and giver her opinion if you want her to change it to suit your video. The name of the video isn’t “Is the Mustang a a good deal and Track car? it’s which one is better!
@no_fb
@no_fb 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that wasn't very subtle.
@JahyMoonwalker
@JahyMoonwalker 6 жыл бұрын
The mustang with $10k towards a turbo and $30k left over is far better. Honestly they should have used the 10 speed auto in the mustang for a better comparison.
@IMGONEIN60
@IMGONEIN60 6 жыл бұрын
It really shows goes to show this girl was biased she just likes BMWs two seconds on a road course is huge actually embarrassing she also stated she liked the way the BMW sounded better than she liked the mustang WTF. She also stated the mustang would’ve been even faster if it’s tires wouldn’t have been worn what world is she living in? All I can say is the quarter mile times for that mustang were way off those are actually eco-boost mustang quarter-mile times no BS!
@IMGONEIN60
@IMGONEIN60 6 жыл бұрын
jamie oxenreider lmfao...
@ivochicr1
@ivochicr1 6 жыл бұрын
Fak you stupid! If she likes beemer let her like it, faknis wrong with you? Theres a reason you can choose between cars so you get what you like. What is it, everybody needs to like mustangs now? Gtfoh
@team_cartooney6559
@team_cartooney6559 6 жыл бұрын
@@ivochicr1 shut yo bitch ass Up
@victorkenarsy3024
@victorkenarsy3024 5 жыл бұрын
IMGONEIN60 She chose the Stang in the end. You mad because she didn’t prefer the Murcia mobile until price became an issue?
@gamingps485
@gamingps485 5 жыл бұрын
Which one is the best for drifting ?
@ChrisLeiter
@ChrisLeiter 5 жыл бұрын
these new Mustangs are really good looking and sound great.. I've never been a huge Ford fan, but these are definitely performance bargains... may very well be a second vehicle contender...
@eeehmmwhat2406
@eeehmmwhat2406 6 жыл бұрын
Half the price and double the fun and better sound. Love it
@6ixspeedstang186
@6ixspeedstang186 6 жыл бұрын
Might as well should have used the gt350. It's still under $70,000 and would probably be a better competitor. I feel like the standard should have been compared to the M2 if we're going price vs price. Both cars are nice. By the way people complaining about the 0-60. You have to remember in a manual car, EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER. If the driver can't shift the car the way it should be then the car won't get the acceleration times that it should. This is just about the only time I agree that the 10speed auto pp1 should have been used just to take out the lack of straight line gear slamming from whoever did the testing. I feel like for acceleration tests in a manual a "street racer" should be used. Someone who can slam gears with some muscle. Not a tender clutch in..... shift..... clutch out.... gas. It should be all one motion.
@dregzartmedia4062
@dregzartmedia4062 6 жыл бұрын
Power to weight is important in racing driver mod don’t help if the passenger weighs too much.
@A.ChristopherJohnson
@A.ChristopherJohnson 5 жыл бұрын
Boss, how tall are you brother, because I'm thinking about getting the pp2 my man ?
@ricardogomez6555
@ricardogomez6555 6 жыл бұрын
a real mans car is a car with balls not a little fancy ass toy ...
@Gltokensp06
@Gltokensp06 6 жыл бұрын
Whoever drove that Mustang to produce a 5.3 second 0-60 should be fired. Even with a manual transmission, that car should be more than a second faster to 60. That is incompetent driving if I've ever heard it.
@LoveLikeaHurricane
@LoveLikeaHurricane 6 жыл бұрын
If he sits any closer the air bag might injure him..... Even though I think he is too far back for any track driving
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 5 жыл бұрын
What gives with the Mustang's dismal 0 to 60 time? I see the Mustang's 0 to 60 times clustering in the 3.9 - 4.4 second range on the web.
@christophermitchell9929
@christophermitchell9929 5 жыл бұрын
"Tiger cub roar"? She lost all credibility when I heard that.
@Drako_1975
@Drako_1975 6 жыл бұрын
Mustang GT over a BMW M4 any day!
@AWmemeifornia
@AWmemeifornia 6 жыл бұрын
Stangology 5.0 what are you smoking
@luislanda2228
@luislanda2228 6 жыл бұрын
If anyone chooses the stang is probably becouse they cant afford the M4 plain and simple..
@KB-bh9hp
@KB-bh9hp 6 жыл бұрын
Luis Landa If I can afford a 50k toy, I can probably afford a 80k toy, or wait 5 secs for the bmw to depreciate 30k.
@luislanda2228
@luislanda2228 6 жыл бұрын
@@CoyoteFTW hahaha you make me laugh 😂 american muscle is garbage they loose control on a straight line specially the mustangs thats what they are known for. So acordint to you who build the fastes production cars now and who wins 24hs lemans all the time?
@luislanda2228
@luislanda2228 6 жыл бұрын
@@KB-bh9hp if you can find an M4 1 year old for 30k i will give you 40k how is that for you win win for you.
@weirdj973
@weirdj973 5 жыл бұрын
I don't how I only have the base stick shift gt with its garbage tires and i'm still able to pull a better drag time
@paulgardner9763
@paulgardner9763 Жыл бұрын
Superb vid, well done all! Two fantastic cars. Bought a Mustang GT at Xmas and loving it. M4 clearly another rapid M Car too
@BP-fx3qc
@BP-fx3qc 6 жыл бұрын
Mustang all day
@cristianhernandez2367
@cristianhernandez2367 5 жыл бұрын
M4 todo el dia.
@RomaneMaticaliseGordon
@RomaneMaticaliseGordon 6 жыл бұрын
A good idea for a mashup. The Mustang kicks the overpriced bmw’s ass all the way back to Germany
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
The new Mustangs are also selling great in Germany. I guess ze Germans love American muscle too.
@midwestsneakerhead6511
@midwestsneakerhead6511 6 жыл бұрын
Chris M. Who doesn’t love American muscle!! It’s so badass!! Especially Mustang’s with rwd a manual transmission and big Ol’ V8!!👍👍
@SalsaColombiaUS
@SalsaColombiaUS 5 жыл бұрын
It makes me want to buy one!!!!!!!!!
@MM-su4gu
@MM-su4gu 5 жыл бұрын
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@Joshua07A
@Joshua07A 5 жыл бұрын
Wheres Jason Camisa, Randy Post & Motor trend to review these two cars. They kicked ass in the M4 vs 6gen Camaro review.
@spitfire9610
@spitfire9610 6 жыл бұрын
GT PP2 does not go 0-60 in 5.3 driver error.
@hbhamilton3410
@hbhamilton3410 6 жыл бұрын
The Mustang is a better value, but the M4 is a better built car.
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
True. Mustangs that are in the same price bracket would completely embarrass the M4 around a track (ie Shelby GT350R).
@KB-bh9hp
@KB-bh9hp 6 жыл бұрын
HB Hamilton Define better built, because with cars, you can define how well something is built based on quality, or reliability. The bmw has nicer materials and better build quality, but significantly worse reliability.
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
@Latvietis96 I know two people who own a M3 and M4, and have had maintenance issues. BMW has their share of problems just like any other manufacturer. There just not as common as Mustangs in the States, so you don't hear about issues as often.
@jimbramble6511
@jimbramble6511 5 жыл бұрын
I can't believe this "better built" crap. After the warranties are gone, the over-computerized, difficult to repair and maintain (not to mention cost of same) BMWs( plus the company's history of not caring too much for what happens post-warranty to their cars) means : lease, don't buy(especially used).
@thegeneral8133
@thegeneral8133 5 жыл бұрын
NoPE!!!! Dont know where you got that from.. Better built based on what??? The Mustang is a manual vs an automatic. Keep the exact cars on the track and put the 10 speed auto against the m4 competition and it would thrash the m4, not even close.. That PP2 is better than the BM4, it sounds better, better tires,suspension, better priced, the suspension is a wash..
@optiononemarketing
@optiononemarketing 6 жыл бұрын
The host is totally trying to influence her decision after she's clearly stated that she prefers the m4 hands down. He badgers her on the price, sound and tires repeatedly - even the expert seems to be annoyed with his cross-examination...I know I was.
@paulomoniz7326
@paulomoniz7326 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, the guy was really annoying.
@BayAreaCyclist300
@BayAreaCyclist300 5 жыл бұрын
I'm 300lbs, guess that answers if I fit in one of these thanks dawg. hahahaha
@user-zb6ez4jl3u
@user-zb6ez4jl3u 6 жыл бұрын
How is this a 2018 bmw m4? With no competition Rims or new lights????
@daevster6663
@daevster6663 5 жыл бұрын
Mustang = slow heavy and loud, there's a reason why BMW's are the ultimate driving machine.
@Mangobrain82
@Mangobrain82 5 жыл бұрын
But it’s not slow. Every other car channel has better numbers for the BASE package GT. This driver is trash and obese. Lol.
@daevster6663
@daevster6663 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mangobrain82 like car like driver, Ford and their musty Stang are crap
@Mangobrain82
@Mangobrain82 5 жыл бұрын
Daevster 666 lol you sound sour. Mustang is one of the best selling cars EVER.
@daisbestDA9
@daisbestDA9 5 жыл бұрын
Heavy? It weighs the same as the BMW lmao
@daevster6663
@daevster6663 5 жыл бұрын
@@daisbestDA9 ya but bmw's center of gravity is much better, the weight is distributed better. it's like a guy that weighs 230 lbs but hes all muscle, and the mustang is like a guy that weighs 230 but hes all fat.
@strykerman7888
@strykerman7888 6 жыл бұрын
The M4 starting at around $70,000 is completely unjustifiable.
@sergsrt8
@sergsrt8 5 жыл бұрын
Just get one pre owned for 48k lol
@rwac07
@rwac07 2 жыл бұрын
Why? you're getting a much better overall car with much better build quality
@2010challengerRT
@2010challengerRT 6 жыл бұрын
Any time I see this guy I just think of how much he HATES those Recaro seats lol
@ChristianLopez-lm9zn
@ChristianLopez-lm9zn 6 жыл бұрын
“If you are in the right gear” the diving factor.
@llcj27
@llcj27 6 жыл бұрын
Der BMW hat bestimmt auch so einen Lautsprechersound wie Audi das hat, zum totlachen ist das. Einfach nur peinlich der Klang. Der Mustang hat eine Seele, das wird ein BMW, Mercedes, oder Audi niemals haben. Die Autos werden schneller und schneller und ein Auto was heute gut ist, ist Morgen überholt und schlecht, aber nur der Mustang bleibt für immer mit Seele und ist immer Kult. The Mustang is back and he is better than ever. I love that car.
@thomaschung4711
@thomaschung4711 6 жыл бұрын
was los ist heraus? der bmw oben den ganzen erde. must was? beschissen fahrzeug. rice+kraut+spaghetti burner = must verbrennungsmotor. ich bestehe darauf.
@skillz1855
@skillz1855 6 жыл бұрын
Mustang sounds much better And why send a Pony car with bald front tires to a track...
@skillz1855
@skillz1855 6 жыл бұрын
@Snippetmaster3000 I know that but these are worn
@bigrocc3925
@bigrocc3925 4 жыл бұрын
how tf u get those drag numbers lmfao, u need a driver mod!
@robertwilliams5507
@robertwilliams5507 6 жыл бұрын
Why didn't you use the 10 speed??????
@LS-vc9uq
@LS-vc9uq 5 жыл бұрын
Mustangs got no class Compared to M4
@juanmartintorrebiartealvar7205
@juanmartintorrebiartealvar7205 5 жыл бұрын
M4 is way more expensive and has just a little more performance. But still you will say the mustang is bad just because its a ford.
@jollyrogers5261
@jollyrogers5261 5 жыл бұрын
Mustang definitely. It’s about the driving emotion. Pure, raw and more fun! Not about luxury bits, so what if the BMW is more refined....etc. I prefer something that is real!
@skk234
@skk234 5 жыл бұрын
This M4 did not have the competition pack as they stated. Biggest giveaways are the wheels and the non-blacked out badging on the rear. BMW doesn't ship competition packs without those two things, and being that these are most likely press cars, they aren't modded.
@mikesc8616
@mikesc8616 3 жыл бұрын
The 10 speed auto would have been a different story, and also driver mod lol. Coyote can do 0-60 right about 4 secs if you can launch it right
@swanblake
@swanblake 6 жыл бұрын
Any car with cup tires will have a huge advantage on the track vs high performance summer tires. Put cup tires on the Camaro or M4, ect. There is a reason why manufacturers normally don't put a cup tire on road cars. We need to be fair here
@boondockbwoy14
@boondockbwoy14 6 жыл бұрын
Facts ..This man was straight biased from the get go
@sweetcheels
@sweetcheels 6 жыл бұрын
But this car is specifically designed for the track so no sir you’re wrong. Manufacturers put specific tires on cars depending on its design. They don’t put cup tires on regular GTs.
@motonvipr
@motonvipr 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, they should have used a manual 6-speed bmw. Not one with a DCT.
@sweetcheels
@sweetcheels 6 жыл бұрын
svtsnake thinking the same. If we’re using that logic.
@ricardogomez6555
@ricardogomez6555 6 жыл бұрын
of course she's gonna say the bmw girl's car. .mustang is for real man sorry but thers nothing like a American muscle sound. .
@milleniallgt9715
@milleniallgt9715 6 жыл бұрын
Ricardo Gomez exactly lol mustangs sound unique and awesome!
@cwoolfork5974
@cwoolfork5974 6 жыл бұрын
LOL! Great question! And are there real women cars as well?....Interesting....
@Reecesavage-Alwayswin
@Reecesavage-Alwayswin 6 жыл бұрын
Chiang Rick When you boost a coyote and start gapping lambos at ease now thats a man car
@luislanda2228
@luislanda2228 6 жыл бұрын
@@Reecesavage-Alwayswin i bet you all cant even afford any of this cars so shut tho f... Up
@tiborhorvath1702
@tiborhorvath1702 6 жыл бұрын
@Chiang Rick not a BMW.. lmao
@inflatable2
@inflatable2 5 жыл бұрын
If exhaust sound is that important to you, just get the better car still (BMW M4) and put a loud aftermarket exhaust on it..
@DiscoR53
@DiscoR53 5 жыл бұрын
Try it again with a BMW with the competition package. Tires make a big difference running DOT legal R comps on both cars the results are going to change.
@wolflarson71
@wolflarson71 6 жыл бұрын
Terrible acceleration times for the Mustang.
@letsgopoop123
@letsgopoop123 6 жыл бұрын
wolflarson71 you’re gay
@wolflarson71
@wolflarson71 6 жыл бұрын
A lesbian trapped in a man's body to be more precise.
@JamesPhieffer
@JamesPhieffer 6 жыл бұрын
The automatic is a lot faster.
@mikealanzo
@mikealanzo 6 жыл бұрын
@Wolf: You can thank the manual shitbox for that! I mean, who the fuck drives stick these days!?!?!?!?! I know, only retards that likes to wank off the stick shift!
@voodoodiecast
@voodoodiecast 6 жыл бұрын
Right? 5.3 to 60mph and 13.3 at the 1320 feels like 2005 mustang.
@1arritechno
@1arritechno 6 жыл бұрын
She prefers the exhaust note of the BMW..?? No,, I've heard vacuum cleaners with a better note... Mustang wins on that.!
@Jesse.Shanks
@Jesse.Shanks 6 жыл бұрын
Those Recaro seats were not designed with such a large frame in mind. How did they feel for you? Most of the larger gentlemen that get in my 2015 Performance Pack Mustang do not like them.
@ChristianLopez-lm9zn
@ChristianLopez-lm9zn 6 жыл бұрын
I wanna see motor trend prove that the stang is faster on a track than the m4. I can’t believe this.
@Fauxbra
@Fauxbra 5 жыл бұрын
Well the M4 GTS was only .76 faster at LS than the PP2 with Randy driving so...
@Hacienda5190
@Hacienda5190 6 жыл бұрын
Stopped listening to him after 20 seconds as im pretty sure this m4 does not have the competition package. Terrible review
@rockefelleragent1357
@rockefelleragent1357 6 жыл бұрын
I believe the M4 in this video was just regular M4 and not a Competition Pkg cause if it had it it would say it on the back M4 emblem. So he was comparing against a 425hp version.
@Hacienda5190
@Hacienda5190 6 жыл бұрын
it doesnt say competition on the back of a M4 which has the comp pack FYI.
@Guimatics
@Guimatics 6 жыл бұрын
IneedMoney M4s with the competition pack have different wheels also
@kells18
@kells18 6 жыл бұрын
Lol. No you can get it with 2 types of rims in 2 different colors. And no it does not say competition on the back dealer said that’s an option. Looked at one 2 days ago. Can’t see spending that amount of money on that.
@kells18
@kells18 6 жыл бұрын
Oh yea 19hp won’t make a big difference maybe 1/2 sec.
@xx_plutonium__xx6162
@xx_plutonium__xx6162 5 жыл бұрын
M4 is way better
@stuntedcbr
@stuntedcbr 5 жыл бұрын
Holding technology against Bmw cuz you want to have “track day” is not fair . Not the Germans fault the e46 probably had the same technology as that beat ass mustang
@nathanielmay2258
@nathanielmay2258 5 жыл бұрын
The weight savings were nullified on both models as soon as he sat in them. And the bolsters were destroyed!
@coyoteslugger3936
@coyoteslugger3936 6 жыл бұрын
BMW sounds like a fart can, no way I would pay that much for that car. Mustang all the way, plus you have tons of money left over. In my opinion mustang looks better especially with PP2 package. Mustang and Camaro are Bench mark against m4.
@seductivesnake1
@seductivesnake1 6 жыл бұрын
Artie Rodriguez mustang will also be worth 1/2 the money of its msrp after the first year 😂 bmw quality holds true.
@slamdunkslamdunk9888
@slamdunkslamdunk9888 6 жыл бұрын
seductivesnake1 good luck owning that Big Money Waste when the warranty expires
@seductivesnake1
@seductivesnake1 6 жыл бұрын
Slam Dunk Slam Dunk lmao I’ll have another way before then pal 😂, and if you haven’t noticed they have an excellent reliability history, much better than any of my Shelby’s had.
@plotdot6920
@plotdot6920 5 жыл бұрын
seductivesnake1 Lmao mustang may be worth half in 5-6 years but a bmw m4 will be worth half in 2 years , 1/4 in 5 years and will be in a junkyard in 7 years after all that german quality put into it makes it break down every time you take a breath . Hey look at the bright side , we can use that garbage german cars steal and aluminum and recycle it ;)German quality holds true , same of shit .
@seductivesnake1
@seductivesnake1 5 жыл бұрын
Plot Dot lmao you’re trailer park mentality truly shows here 😂. It’s ok bro not everyone can recognize superiority when it’s evident, plot twist is I’m also a mustang fan and enthusiast as well (owned cobras and GT500’s) , and have been for a long time. But the difference is vast in quality and overall driving experience. not that you would understand since it’s doubtful you’ve entertained many high status cars of different manufacturers.
@IDontKnow-bb6mt
@IDontKnow-bb6mt 6 жыл бұрын
Don't care how great that V8 sounds or how fast the Mustang is, it is still a cheap Ford. Ford interiors suck balz, tons of known transmission and engine issues with these 18 models as well.
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
At least it won't cost you an arm and leg to fix or upgrade like that BMW will.
@IDontKnow-bb6mt
@IDontKnow-bb6mt 6 жыл бұрын
Why don't you go ask all the folks posting their videos of brand new mustangs needing new motors, transmissions, and even getting lawyers involved about buybacks and lemon laws how they feel about their mustangs? If the BMW is under warranty it wont cost a dime to fix, and when warranty is out you can always purchase an extended one :)
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
@@IDontKnow-bb6mt Extended warranties also available on Mustangs, so what your point. Mustang also cost 1/2 of what this BMW cost and still beat it around the track.
@IDontKnow-bb6mt
@IDontKnow-bb6mt 6 жыл бұрын
The point is that it wont cost an arm and a leg to fix like you claimed. And like I pointed out in my first post it does not matter how fast the Ford is, the car is still cheap AF on the inside and has tons of mechanical issues. You're reading comprehension skills are poor.
@chrism.728
@chrism.728 6 жыл бұрын
@@IDontKnow-bb6mt Nothing wrong with reading skills. I used to own a BMW 3 series and that car gave me a lot of headache taking it back to dealer for maintenance. I've also owned two Mustangs with no issues. So every owners experience is going to be different due to many variables. Some people prefer the Mustang, because it's a better bang for buck for performance. They don't care about fancy interiors, just want to race. Mustang also has a huge aftermarket for performance if you decide to beef up performance and handling. Mustang also sounds meaner with deep rumble. The fact that the Mustang is even being compared to a M4 in performance is win for the Mustang. Considering the Mustang is half the price of M4.
@ricardogomez6555
@ricardogomez6555 6 жыл бұрын
that stang needs some weight reduction too.😂😂
@Dragunov302
@Dragunov302 5 жыл бұрын
Idk I like the sound of both. But for spirit alone I’ll take the mustang for driver feel
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