The left foot "2" can be repositioned while his pivot foot remains on the ground. When taking a shot or passing, the pivot foot can be lifted.

If you can still pivot, then you are allowed to lift your pivot foot to shoot or pass.

1. that new step is with the non pivot foot, so it doesn't count 2. lifting your pivot isn't a travel

You are right, It is illegal. Read Article 25.2.1 of FIBA official basketball rules (July 2023). - To pass or shoot for a goal, the player may jump of a pivot foot but, but neither foot may be returned to the court before the ball is released from the hand(s)

Hi Eric, my take on it is that the 1-step is not necessarily the pivot foot. When both feet are on the floor, the pivot foot can be either the 0-step or the 1-step, which is determined by the other foot being lifted off the floor. For example in 3:53, both the left foot (0-step) and right foot (1-step) are on the floor; the lifting of the left foot determines the right foot to be the pivot foot, making the drive a legal move (ball must be released for a dribble before the pivot foot is lifted). Similarly, in 3:29, the opposite occurs: both the left foot (0-step) and right foot (1-step) are on the floor; now instead the right foot is lifted, which determines the left foot to be a pivot foot, making the drive a legal move (ball must be released for a dribble before the pivot foot is lifted). 5:00 is the perfect illustration to show an illegal version of this move. Both the left foot (0-step) and right foot (1-step) are on the floor; the player jab-steps with his right foot (1-step), lifting it off the floor, and hence determines his left foot (0-step) to be the pivot foot. On the drive, the player does not release the ball before lifting his pivot foot (determined to be his left foot), hence this is an illegal move. I hope this helps.

@@chuckdollarama Thanks for the clarification, the light bulb just went on!

5:00 looked like he released the ball around the same the he lifted the pivot but if you slow replay, he lifted the pivot while pushing the ball down and it hasn't left his hands yet. I understand this is for educational purposes and tells us the technical reason but it was very hard to tell at first glance.

@@christopherchiu349 Nah you cant lift and release it at the same time. Release must come first

It's the same on 5:07 but it was called illegal 😂

You can absolutely dribble after landing your second step. The ball just has to leave your hand before your pivot (step 1) leaves the floor. On the first one (cross step) he gets it out on time. Hands weren't quick enough on the second one. Most players will get rung up more often than not on the open step. I would call the move at 5:01 a travel as well. The gather is intended to prevent injury by not forcing players to stop on a dime at full speed. The wording in the rule is one foot down on the catch while progressing or something like that. No way you can ever convince me that a guy posting up is progressing.

@@danielpaz671 You can't "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball" cant dribble after that 2nd step "after receiving the ball, a player shall release the ball to start his/her dribble before his/her second step." must dribble before 2nd step

@@wat4504 the videos that fiba produces explaining what is and isn't a travel contradict this, specifically the DeAndre Jordan double gather. When receiving the ball while progressing and one foot on the floor, the next foot to contact (step one) becomes the pivot. The only way to travel is to release the pivot before the ball leaving the hand. Completing the second step is merely your non pivot returning to the floor

@@danielpaz671 Deandre releases the ball before the 2nd step, what u mean?

​@@wat4504 DeAndre Jordan (USA team) was called up for an Olympic basketball game. The 012 rules underwent a revision in 2017, and this case serves as an example of how the new regulations were implemented. the video at the URL below. FYR. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ictmas-Xuq6RlZs.html

"At rest" means not moving, and the ball came to "rest" with his left foot on the floor, so that would be his gather step; it doesn't matter that he didn't have the ball in both hands until his right foot was on the floor since the ball wasn't moving throughout his spin.

That's correct. He hasn't touched it with 2 hands or put his palm under, so he hasn't yet ended the dribble when he took that left step

@@fromtheoutside define moving

@@wat4504 I already did in my original post and stop being so literal; his hand does not need to be under the ball for the ball to be considered "at rest." Therefore, his gather step is his left foot.

@@fromtheoutside you defined "at rest", not "moving"

이유를 설명해드리겠습니다 3:50초의 무브는 5:00의 무브와는 다르게 잽스텝을 사용하지 않고 잡은 방향 그대로 돌파를 진행해 나갑니다 이 경우에는 첫번째 발이 제로스텝이므로 두번째 닿은 오른발이 피벗풋이 되는것입니다 그래서 나가는 방향 그대로 돌파가 가능한것이죠 피벗풋이 떨어지지않고 드리블이 가능해지는겁니다 그러나 5:00 의 스텝은 제로스텝 원스텝까지는 똑같은데 여기서 원스텝을 바닥에서 떼어버림으로써 첫번째 제로스텝을 피벗풋으로 형성해버린겁니다 오른발을 띄는 순간 왼발 0 숫자밑에 perno가 뜨는게 보이시죠 이게 축발이라는 얘기입니다 그래서 왼발이 축발로 형성된 상태인데 오른쪽으로 돌파하게 되면 흔히들 대회때 많이 불리는 트레블링 스텝이 나와버리는 겁니다 드리블보다 축발이 먼저 떨어지게 되는 동작이지요

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fiba calls travels on what?

@@wat4504 the open step, as opposed to the cross step. On open steps most players pick up their pivot before releasing the ball to dribble

@@danielpaz671 if thats what open step is then yeah its a travel

It doesn't because at 8:13 his pivot didn't lift before releasing the ball

Yeah, once you get it slowed down I agree with you, but it was really close. Probably wouldn't be called in full speed.

I think in this situation he is catching on the move, so on the dribble the ball has to be out of his hand before step 2 touches the floor; it is not a stop situation where the ball has to be out of his hand before the pivot foot is lifted. I think he met either test though.

"Then the right foot is contact 1 and therefore his pivot" Stepping the contact 1 doesn't immediately make it the pivot. Lifting any foot makes the other foot the pivot But yes its still a travel

@@ericjohannsen6307 He slid his left foot and resteps it. Thats a non pivot action, and therefore he enters a pivot situation, so he must follow the "release before lift" rule

To clarify, this is a 0-1 situation, the left foot becomes the pivot foot when he lifts his right foot, and the ball is clearly out of his hand before lifting the left foot. The video gets it right.

you're not allowed to make 3 steps, but you're not allowed either to move pivot foot before dribble even though youre allowed to make 2 steps ? aka not the same thing

that's with the non pivot foot

There is no 0 step on a catch in the air or, in my view, on a catch with both feet on the floor as the player is stopped, not progressing.

"Or would a 0 step ever be counted in the air" There would be no foot on the floor so no, there wont be a 0 step while in the air "What about a 0 step with both feet on the ground?" what about it

@@wat4504 That is the one Tatum got rung up on in game 7 vs the Heat. Then Miller says Butler got away with the exact same move. Tatum caught with both feet up, landed L-R, then released the left before relasing the ball. Butler OTOH got his foot down which allowed him the extra step to establish the pivot. Looked way worse and was probably borederline.

@@danielpaz671 can't really remember the game

3rd move steps with the pivot -> travel 4th move steps with the non pivot -> legal

07:25 its travel.

5:33 actually is a violation. Right foot is the pivot, and he lifts it before dribbling

@@onlyfacts3178 You mean the simultaneous 2 feet? Cuz no thats considered a single step. Live up to your name

@@wat4504 The new rule indicates that the right foot is zero step and the left foot is first step (pivot foot) and then step the right(the second foot).

@@k10chen I know what u mean, but your mistaken When he catches the ball, two feet is on the ground He then slides his left foot, which makes right foot the pivot

nah that rule doesn't exist if you're dribbling -> you can take unlimited steps, as many as you want if you've ended your dribble -> you can only take 2 steps

I'm confused. Does releasing the ball mean that the ball is left from the hand? or the ball should be touched on the floor? I don't think I can recognize that is travel or not because actually happens so fast... lol

The ball being released means the moment it leaves the hand, not when it touches the floor

No he moved his free foot before releasing the ball not his pivot foot. Hie pivot foot is 0

The pivot foot is 1. They've labelled it "Perno" which means pin or pivot in Italian. This is definitely a travel.

Yeah, this one is a travel (correctly labeled), but it's super close and probably wouldn't have been called in game.

When a progressing player comes to a stop, he may take two steps, which he does here. When he has stopped, and established a stationary pivot foot, he's no longer progressing. I think that's why the rule "a player shall release the ball to start his dribble before his second step" does not apply. Instead, we go back to rule "To start a dribble, the pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released from the hand(s)".

Thank you for your explanation.

​@@mijuraut You're correct about this: "dribble before lift" --> for stopped players "dribble before 2nd step" --> for moving players though if you already took your 2nd step, you cant dribble anymore

That rule applies when you're in motion If you release the ball before the 2nd step --> all good If you take the 2nd step first --> you must release the ball before the 3rd step (you can only pass or shoot, but not dribble)

@wat4504 I asked a FIBA referee, he told me that "If the player catch the ball with one foot on the floor and comes to a stop on his first step has both feet on the floor or they touch the floor simultaneously, he may pivot using either foot as his pivot foot. It is a legal move if he starts dribble before his pivot foot lifts from the floor."

It actually is correct, because there's a new definition of what actually is the *first* step. The first step that you're counting, doesn't count - it's the zero step, or the gather step. There's an addition in the FIBA rule book stating this, so you have to have that in mind. It's there since 2017.

@@balluse Yeah that's my replay before i understand it well. I already knew gather step but misunderstood 2nd step when player pivoting.

@@balluse u missunderstand what he say bro.

@@balluse He counted correctly, its even showed in the video

@@user-ig7uz8ze3k Nah your original comment is correct. You cant dribble if you already taken your 2nd step

If you try an attack dribble, yes; the trick is just release the ball quickly.

he lifted pivot foot (step 0) before ball left hand.

he lifted his pivot before releasing the ball, that's why its a travel

In this example, the "step 1", the pivot, comes off the ground before he releases the ball to dribble, which is a violation. It is super close though and probably wouldn't be called, but it is technically illegal.

@@rjcarr316 doesn't the "step one" pivot foot can move wherever it wants as long as it doesn't touch the ground before the ball leaves tha hand? Or else 1:18 would be a travel too

@@yehright9140 You can lift the pivot to shoot or pass, but not dribble. Lifting the pivot before dribbling is a violation. It was actually a point of emphasis to call in the nba this year (and last). Go search for those rules because they released all kinds of good videos about it.

@@rjcarr316 1:18 how about rotating the "step 2" before his right feet touch the ground

@@rjcarr316 4:15 and 7:20 can we make two hop after zero step

They aren't the same. If you watch closely you can see what he's doing and why the first is legal and the second isn't.

@@fromtheoutside 01:25 its a clear travel he takes 3 steps.,,just because he doesnt put a yellow number under his foot that doesnt mean we cant see it and count... CAN you see it? He says 1,2, and takes another , you dont need to understand basketball rules, you just need to count.

​@@fromtheoutside ILLEGAL not legal like you say and he says. 01:19 - 1 step 01:21 - 2 step 01:25 - 3 step.

@@onlyfacts3178 You clearly do no understand the changes that were made in 2018. What you are seeing as step 1-2-3 is actually Step 0-1-2: The "gather step" or step 0 isn't counted, so therefore it is only 2 steps. However, since you do not seem to want to believe me and my 30 years of officiating experience, you can read the travel rule here: www.fiba.basketball/documents/official-basketball-rules-yellow/2020.pdf Look at Article 25: Violations-traveling. Pay attention to Article 25.2.1. Here is a video that explains it quite well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ictmas-Xuq6RlZs.html start at 8:08

@@fromtheoutside I was a ref in a FIBA minor league from 2001 till 2004. And the rules are the same. I dont need to pay attention or to read a rule that i applied several times. ITS BASIC, pay attention; STEPS only start counting when you gain control of the ball. (it doesnt matter if its 1 hand or 2 hand). When you are dribbling the ball you can take as many steps as you want. But when you are making the so called zero step you have not end your dribble yet, if you are moving forward and controlling the ball you are carrying the ball so you can only pass shoot or take 2 steps if you dribble again its called carrying violation. You cant be moving forward with the ball on your side because that means that you are controlling the ball even if you are not grabbing it with both hands or not even palming the ball, the TRAVELLING rules its mainly about the hands and the time you gain control of the ball. SO if you gain control of the ball you can only take 2 steps after that...and in the video he gains control of the ball and he puts 0,1,2 and then he makes another step which means he lifted his pivot foot and landed before the lay-up.

In this case, the 0 step doesn't count as a pivot, it's a gather allowed before the two steps. Thus there isn't a change in a pivot foot, since it wasn't established. A pivot foot is only established after one of the legs has been lifted, the other one becomes a pivot and can't be lifted. If he moved his right leg, then his left leg is the pivot foot and he can't move that way since you'd be right. However, remember that it goes 0,1,2 and here we only have 0,1. This make his right foot the pivot since there's only one more legal step, the right leg is the pivot and the left leg takes it '2' step in any direction it wants.

Basically the 0 is the gather, not established as a pivot yet. When you take the one-step, that gives the option for either foot to be a pivot since the rules define the pivot after one foot is lifted off the ground, making the other the pivot. Since both are on the floor, legally both should be able to become the pivot.

This is where I saw the light - on a 0-1 catch there is no pivot foot until one foot is lifted.

0th step isn't automatically the pivot foot. If he lifts a foot, the other becomes the pivot

video isn't watchable anymore, but if you described it accurately, then yes its a travel (3 steps after ending the dribble)

link?

A step-thru with the non-pivot foot is fine and the pivot foot can be lifted but not returned to the floor (think two-step regular layup); a step-thru with the pivot foot is not fine (see the situation at 1:49).

last step is a non pivot foot step, so it doesn't count

last left foot step is a non pivot foot step

That's pretty clearly legal. Are you sure you mean 2:32?

I think the only trick here is to recognize that step 1 is the pivot foot (not step 0) because the catch was made while moving.

What don't you get? That move was illegal btw. You can't dribble if you already taken your 2nd step

@@rjcarr316 Nope, can't dribble if you already taken your 2nd step

You should dribble before lifting your pivot foot.

but why is 3:39 is legal the move is also lift pivot foot after dribble ? thanks for answer

黃柏偉 at 3:39 his right foot is pivot foot. He dribbled before lifting it

This is the only one I disagree with (there was an earlier one called illegal but it was *really* close and didn't clearly illustrate the violation). They are calling this one a travel because the "step 1" is the pivot foot, and you can't lift your pivot before dribbling ("step 1" is doing the jab step here). However, in this case, there wasn't really a "step 0" or gather at all, so in this case "step 0" = "step 1", so you can pivot the 0 step.

The video shows step 0 as the pivot foot, which I agree with.

same

same

Number 1 is the pivot. U'r allowed to lift the pivot on a shot or pass, u just have to release the ball BEFORE the pivot (number 1) touches the ground

1. His pivot foot doesn’t move until he shots 2. Ur allowed to do 2 steps in Basketball 3. As long as the pivot foot doesn’t move u still on ur first step

This is one of the most misunderstood rules of basketball. It isn't a travel to take your pivot (or "step 0") off the ground, but only a travel if the pivot touches the ground again before you pass or shoot.

He used the right foot as free foot. Thus left foot became pivot foot. So he should release the ball before taking the pivot foot off the floor. Its just my opinion

Now, step 1 become pivot foot.

The ball must touch the floor when the left foot (=pivot) is still on floor.

I think that's one of kobe moves but its not illegal.?

The player must release the ball before lifting his pivot foot, in this case his left foot. Otherwise, the player will br committing a traveling violation

The lifted pivot foot doesn't touch the floor before the ball is released.

@@chuckdollarama he lands at 01:25 so its 3 steps..

its travel.

@@onlyfacts3178 the last left foot step is a non pivot foot step

the last left foot step is a non pivot foot step

No one cares about ur stupid rule book

Fortunately, this has never been a travel in FIBA: you have always been able to lift your pivot foot to pass or shoot, and the amount of space covered is immaterial just like there is no set number of steps allowed in between dribbles. The "legal" way you mention is covered between 6:30-8:00.

you just learned wrong that's why u cant accept it

step through isn't and has never been a travel by rule. Good video on the controversy: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opN0q5CrzNDXqok.htmlsi=q5GojySf1SNWRD29 but the key part is here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opN0q5CrzNDXqok.htmlsi=q5GojySf1SNWRD29&t=194 trainer to carmelo says: "you actually can do that (step through) and multiple nba players do that [...] because you can pick up your pivot point you can't put it back down; you can pick it up to pass or shoot" But then another trainer says right after: "my philosophy is whenever the refs call a travel, it's a travel, whatever they don't call a travel, it's not a travel." from same vid: NBA rule, lifting pivot not a travel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opN0q5CrzNDXqok.htmlsi=mVijtYR-pm3IpWKF&t=348 Fiba rule: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opN0q5CrzNDXqok.htmlsi=PT6ZLT-TC0qAAXz0&t=365 NCAA rule: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opN0q5CrzNDXqok.htmlsi=QtsRssG-XavXyGCG&t=390 Short vid, but key rule: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMugaZxp18mVlIk.htmlsi=xxDhQhG4nuiIeBTL&t=39

what do you mean?

Hi Noob, my take on the new rule is that the step-count doesn't start until the player has physical control of the ball (which is judgement call, but is usually determined by placing both hands on the ball, or letting it come to rest); so if the player has one foot on the ground and then receives the ball, that foot on the ground doesn't count as one of the two allowed steps (given the player hasn't yet taken a step since receiving the ball). So if a player in motion has both feet on the ground (per your example), both feet would be considered "0-steps", hence he is allowed a 1-2 step count in coming to a stop (and as an aside, would only be allowed to pivot with his 1-step as the pivot foot). I agree it would definitely e difficult to adjudicate these calls at actual game speed, which is likely why so many calls are missed in actual games.

@@chuckdollarama Yep. And if the player finishes on both feet at the same time, then they would choose their pivot foot and effectively take another step by pivoting. This would be 5 steps, which I saw a player do in a game I played in recently. The guy managed to get to the hoop and score from outside the 3-point line without taking a single dribble. The guy was not even 6ft tall. The rule was obviously brought in for the big NBA guys who have poor footwork such as lebron and players like harden have exploited it.

@@chuckdollarama No example I have seen shows a catch in motion with two feet on the floor, which makes sense to me - if you catch with both feet on the floor you are stopped, not progressing.

@@ericjohannsen6307 I wouldn't define being stopped as having both feet on the ground, given walking is a motion and would regularly have both feet on the ground.

@@chuckdollarama I would be very surprised if you can catch with both feet on the floor, take a step then take another step to shoot.

I think the right foot is 0 step..

No cause his pivot foot didn’t move just until he jumped as long as his pivot foot don’t move and gets lifted in time u alright

@@user-wk1lg3oj8u yes I think the same

No, not a travel. This is one of the most misunderstood rules even for people that play all the time. It isn't a travel to have the pivot ("step 1" in this case) come off the ground, it's a travel if it comes back down before you shoot or pass.

@@rjcarr316 when he gets the ball.. the right foot(before "step 0 in this case") is still on the ground. I think that the right foot I mentioned should be "the true step 0". Am I co rrect?

@Don Pedro I think 2:42 it's illegal too. 25.2.1 A player who catches the ball while he is progressing, or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball: If, after receiving the ball, a player shall release the ball to start his dribble before his second step.

In both cases there is a 0-1-2 catch and stop, so step 1 is the pivot foot, and the ball has to be released before picking up the pivot foot, which happens at 2:42 but not 3:05. This is not starting a dribble while progressing, the player has stopped with both feet on the floor.

@Igor heres a simpler way of explaining it "you must release the ball to dribble before lifting the pivot foot" but both are still travels cuz you cant dribble after landing your 2nd step

@@ericjohannsen6307 2:42 is a travel btw. Cant dribble after you landed your 2nd step

Sorry, but you should read the official rules as they've change a bit over time. I'm fairly certain all of these are correctly ruled, except for a one or two that are really close (basically, bad illustration of the violation).

@@rjcarr316 Nope, some are actually blatant. 2:32 for example, cant dribble after taking the 2nd step