I know it’s 20k more than the regular M2C, but it might actually be worth it on a money in, money out basis. This is a future collectible.
@bekkovaci38483 жыл бұрын
I am thinking the exact same thing, In general these kinds of cars are being made less even by bmw in the future.They will always make luxury sport cars probably but the m2 is the basically the new m3 in a lot of ways
@Michael-yz4mc3 жыл бұрын
Not always the case look at the M3/4 CS is has dropped like a brick
@bekkovaci38483 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-yz4mc It hasn't dropped that much, Even if you consider it a lot, it won't depreciate as much as most other cars IMO.
@riptiide92853 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-yz4mc Well the m2 is definitely more in the direction of the 1M which is holding its value well.
@hutch430 Жыл бұрын
I bought one five days ago not even looking for one and completely in love with it.
@steveo853 жыл бұрын
“Ask me if I care.” Bravo!! Perfectly stated.
@adamfrost90483 жыл бұрын
Love the video, it perfectly expressed what this car is all about. I bought a Misano Blue with manual transmission and gold wheels...I couldn't be happier and I'm never letting this car go.
@mattfeacv52433 жыл бұрын
Looks good! just can't get over that subaru comparison..which is a much lesser car lol
@adamfrost90483 жыл бұрын
@@mattfeacv5243 In real life the frozen gold 3 stage paint doesn't look anything like Subaru wheels, they are beautiful when clean.
@84Lv103 жыл бұрын
BMW is still offering manuals, but the DCT has been discontinued. I think in the future when people are stuck with regular autos, the DCT will also be appealing.
@drdavediehl13 жыл бұрын
Great reviews, always enjoy them. I recently purchased a CS. With the DCT. I don’t regret it at all. The car is amazing. I’m sure there will be some higher resale prices with the manual, but I’ll be smiling all day, every day driving the one I got. Best car I’ve owned. Doubt I’ll ever sell it.
@rayF4rio3 жыл бұрын
Perfect sports car - it deserves to be driven on the right roads.
@miken.18093 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how accurate and thorough you are. Details on roof construction and oil system differences are missed by most all reviewers. Nicely done!
@rjgthuro3 жыл бұрын
My favorite car for the longest time was the Laguna Seca Blue E46 M3. This M2cs manual is an honest to God second chance at having the best production car ever made in my opinion. An easy buy if it weren't so cost prohibitive. There's probably no chance I could ever own one of these until I retire at 41...10 years to go. BMW made my halo car, and I'm a Cadillac guy!
@AustinF5163 жыл бұрын
Alcantara steering wheels. On paper a good idea. In application a terrible idea for anything more than once a month use.
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
People always forget that surfaces you touch in a car are meant to be cleaned. I clean my alcantara wheel in my Porsche once every couple months and it looks brand new.
@AustinF5163 жыл бұрын
@@MrSchn3ll I agree. However, if you spend 10 plus hours a week behind the wheel of two cars one with good leather one with Alcantara. I promise that shelf life the leather steering wheel will far exceed that of the Alcantara wheel.
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
it's for track driving
@hamidshekarforoush76953 жыл бұрын
Wear racing gloves, problem solved. Amazon has some nice M ones to boot.
@troycovington3 жыл бұрын
I love this car. I can not wait to get it out of storage. I bought it back in January and have not driven due to the weather. My car is black with the gold wheels. I am considering wrapping it matte black.
@Abodyofwork11 ай бұрын
Double wishbone front suspension. That’s a body of work ✅
@clubracer63 жыл бұрын
Still too heavy, but so is everything else these days. Crazy price to boot and will be interesting to see how these sell.
@MrCarGuy3 жыл бұрын
I'm most interested in seeing if they care about reducing weight for the next 2-series. I hope they will.
@VarioFelce3 жыл бұрын
in the real world is much lighter, check Harry's garage review on this car
@aidenp57683 жыл бұрын
@@MrCarGuy The new M2 has been spotted a few times looks just as small or smaller and doesn’t seem to be heavier. But who knows.
@gift18433 жыл бұрын
Most of the remaining ones on autotrader are already spoken for. It’s not easy to get one in manual.
@gift18433 жыл бұрын
@@VarioFelce Harry’s scale is completely wrong. It’s unfortunately a porker but the footprint makes it the perfect size. You can fit 6 ft person behind another 6fter. Not many cars that drives like this and seats 4.
@machtschnell74523 жыл бұрын
DCT, best manual or best automatic transmission at the driver's discretion.
@athansari3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching reviews of this car for months and finally was lucky to get my hands on the exact same one. I’m quite a petrol head myself but haven’t had so much fun driving a manual gearbox in a very very long time!! A car that probably comes close in the fun department is the GT3RS but that’s another story.. I don’t think many of these will be on sale because it’s just so different from the usual out there.. definitely will stay in the garage for a long long time.. great review btw and let’s hope your prediction comes true..
@MrBlack2max3 жыл бұрын
The CS is weighed in at 1429kg with half tank of fuel. Manual trans, carbon brakes and electric seats. So its actually much lighter :-) Suspension is not set up the same way as Competition. It has more camber, and adjustable suspension. Makes a ton of a difference. It also has extra coolers like the M3/4 CS over stock Comp. Just sayin, and yes I own one. :-)
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
You should probably have a look at our first episode on this car where much of this was covered: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g893gbNpv7LMoH0.html
@patrickk50303 жыл бұрын
I think you are one of the few people who has driving both the auto and manual. Great review. For me, I think for a pure driving experience, I would have this over the Cayman 718. The manual in that car is just not quite as good. It's a shame this thing is so limited, I really think BMW would make a killing off it if production was increased.
@silverioangulomartinez77243 жыл бұрын
Beautiful F430 by the way..
@bavariancarenthusiast27223 жыл бұрын
"3 pedals as god intended" quote George 2021 - last analog BMW ever..... that's the one to buy right now - couldn't agree more... Love it ! Also your new technical director has a bright future in the industry :)
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
He certainly does!
@curtr.50833 жыл бұрын
Great overview, I’m glad you got to experience both transmissions. Thanks!
@AllIsWell_223 жыл бұрын
You really should drive a Manual SS1LE and report back. I think the Alpha chassis with the 1LE calibration will leave you questioning why bother buying a BMW M car post 2013.
@stevenakachian7221 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. 👍 Great work, please keep it up.
@MotoManTV Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@michaelglisson82403 жыл бұрын
Question is...are you going to take the plunge on a truly awesome car and write that check? Great video!
@petegalindez99613 жыл бұрын
I just watched a video on the new M4...WOW is that car ugly with the beaver teef...This, however, is a gorgeous vehicle....looks, tranny, proportions, sound....this is the only BMW that subscribes to “The Ultimate Driving Machine” motto...As for me buying it, I cannot afford it. BUT, when you buy one, I’d be more than happy to pay you a few bucks to do a ride-along and reminisce about the old days in NY...or we could just cruise the Miracle Mile!!!
@DavidJCarrell3 жыл бұрын
This and the new Cayman GTS 4.0 with a manual are about as good as it gets these days. Imagine having one of each! Maybe throw in a Lotus too.
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
As you may remember, I used to be a die hard Lotus guy . . . the combination of driving A LOT of Porsche for my job and Lotus going backwards has soured me on the brand.
@marcnobel39383 жыл бұрын
@@MotoManTV Thinking about buying the same MKI Elise again that I had (when I was a bit younger). I pray that they do a similar car again in their new lineup.
@marcnobel39383 жыл бұрын
That would be a great Three car garage. :-D
@Fluterra3 жыл бұрын
The big problem with the Porsche is the ridiculous transmission- you have a beautiful 4L NA engine that you can’t fully use - on track and off.
@DavidJCarrell3 жыл бұрын
@@Fluterra Yeah I think they did that because 0-60 times are what sell cars, unfortunately. But I agree with you
@1zamboni3 жыл бұрын
No surprise the engine & MT is the same set up as F80, all of sudden this M2CS became sensation and superb.
@yoboogieman2 жыл бұрын
I loved it when you were at the Butcher's Shop and Witwicky came in with his friends 😜😜😁
@philiprobinson48093 жыл бұрын
That is the last perfect BMW.
@kristians27043 жыл бұрын
If this has a manual then why can’t they put one in the Supra and the M340i?
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
Packaging and DOT. Supra was never designed to fit the manual transmission in the tunnel of the car, they sacrificed it to keep the car smaller. And DOT because each transmission type has to be crash tested, this costs millions to do each time.
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
because no afficionado would buy an M340i. That's a car for somebody who likes a lot of compromises and they would't usually go for a manual
@Closertotruth23 жыл бұрын
I bet the Supra gets a manual soon.
@robinhobson49942 жыл бұрын
Let's hope so just bought a manual carbon ceramic brake CS in the U.K. Only 35 manual versions registered here. Fingers crossed for future values.
@duosable7 ай бұрын
People born after 2000 won’t know how to drive manual by the time they are in the market for a sport car.
@RAZGR1Z3 жыл бұрын
Goodness this is such a beautiful automobile.
@a-tg-c10243 жыл бұрын
I did the M drivers school last September in SC and we drove (M2, M4 & M8 Comps all with DCT.s) I had much more enjoyable drives in the M2 Comps. I have a 2020 M5 Comp. Previous vehicles included: 1986 944, 2006 997.1, 2008 M3, and 2012 991.1 all in manual. I thought the Standard M2 Comp. was a fine car and don’t think I would opt for the CS ... if I could find one.
@geraldupright77133 жыл бұрын
@motomantv What are the other cars on your list that you would personally write a check for?
@Kelveron3 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the M2 CS and if it were legal, I would marry it and go on honeymoon with it!
@kyrosmike3 жыл бұрын
mechanophilia as they call it
@darkurious3 жыл бұрын
I'm just glad you didn't tell us what you would do with the exhaust pipes! 😂🤣
@Kelveron3 жыл бұрын
@@darkurious Haha, it would be a purely platonic relationship! I'm a gentleman. 😄
@Juggerslaught3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, many thanks from the UK.
@fullyplantd3 жыл бұрын
I think the premium for the manual 430 is due to the F1 gearbox being so bad, not just because they don't make them anymore. Loved the video, I'd love an M2 comp
@jplay04263 жыл бұрын
Probably not worth the price over a Competition but still great!
@machtschnell74523 жыл бұрын
I wonder who will originate the stock replacement console swap first?
@Gab-mf6xq8 ай бұрын
Imagine this guy at a bbq, would not stop talking
@obi-wankenobi71603 жыл бұрын
Motoman!!! Save the manuals
@billymania113 жыл бұрын
Sorry bub, it's best with the DCT.
@carl91843 жыл бұрын
Love to get behind the wheel and give this a spin to compare against my comp. Regardless its going to be the car which will hold its value in the future. Would I take this CS over the new G80/82 M3/M4 ?...every day of the week.👍
@flaviotaue47063 жыл бұрын
Then in the very next sequence, kinda forgets to shift up from first gear at launch...
@mariopalencia33473 жыл бұрын
@motomantv apart from this car, what other cars would you personally write a check for?
@zachg90653 жыл бұрын
Probably the end of an era for BMW.
@Stinger4303 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if I was loaded I'd definitely buy it. The styling is a bit too fussy, but at least it's not ugly.
@mrpomm59003 жыл бұрын
My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.
@williamk18003 жыл бұрын
MotoMan wishlist for this car: glass moonroof :). Same here MotoMan, same here.
@aschlect3 жыл бұрын
My fingers are crossed Audi will pull a manual rabbit out if its hat for the new A3/S3/RS3!
@93455Driver3 жыл бұрын
The nearest BMW 1M has created in a long time.
@holycow5123 жыл бұрын
93k for an M2 sounds so pricey...that's dangerously close to Porsche Cayman territory!
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
That's way more than a good cayman, you can get a used GT4 for that - or a brand new, lightly optioned GTS 4.0 cayman - that weighs 500lbs. less too.
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSchn3ll yeah and good luck with the repair bill out of the guaranty
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
@@hazardeur gud spellying. Porsche is one of the most reliable cars you can buy. Try again.
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSchn3ll @MrSchn3ll you can keep the mistakes. Also, NO sportscar will ever be a reliable car and definitely no Porsche. I'm not saying they are bad but like all sportscars, they are subjected to increased wear and tear and that's just how it is. Fact of the matter is that you are much safer with a brand new BMW vs any used Porsche. Even if the reliability is worse (which is highly debatable), the BMW is covered by a 5 year warranty and the used Porsche runs out soon if he even still has one.
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
also, what's the point in comparing a used Porsche vs a new BMW. apples with apples please. The same BMW used is a lot cheaper.
@lee1504277103 жыл бұрын
what about the Mercedes Benz A45S?
@Scorpio10753 жыл бұрын
I know BMW has made some BIG mistakes lately (did someone say BIG grill?) but this car seems really to be a solid offering. Personally, the seats are uncomfortable, the steering wheel is too thick, and a small storage compartment in the new center console would have been nice. Those are my top three things I'd done differently.
@6SpeedTA953 жыл бұрын
I have no doubt this is an amazing car. But 40-50% more than an M2 comp? No way it's worth that.
@bumpinjeep3 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, the manual tested faster than the dct to 60. Check out the car and driver review.
@HanDynastyNet3 жыл бұрын
I think bmw will make another manual m2 cs then it's over.
@richardbixler3 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame that BMW only offers the 2 in turbo charged form. I get it, if the made a lower power NA base model it would probably take too many enthusiasts away from the M models. That wouldn’t really be a problem imo. If people could get a new 2 series with an i6/manual/RWD I’m pretty sure it would have been one of the best selling coupes of the last 20 years. There’s a huge void in the automotive world right now, it sits right between the $30k entry sports cars like the Miata’s, Toybaru’s and the $80k M’s, Cayman’s etc. All I want is a lightish weight, small displacement, manual sports car that’s a little nicer and more grown up then the entry level.
@hidayatmultistruktura613 жыл бұрын
Motoman. Which car would you pick, M2CS manual transmission VS 911 Carrera T, also in manual ?
@tylerdowd3 жыл бұрын
best BMW!
@2MANYCARS3 жыл бұрын
Two words: buy one!
@D.N.R.9113 жыл бұрын
Hold the phone Motoman, do you double clutch? I would love to drive this car on the same road, great review.
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@IceDree3 жыл бұрын
So, M, which one would you pick? M2 CS or 1-series M coupe? Shout out to Willy B! No sleep till brooklyn. 🤘
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
@IceDre . . . GT3
@jamesbindman92903 жыл бұрын
Awesome pure drivers car.....May I call it German Lotus?
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
Way too heavy.
@vincentsmith37013 жыл бұрын
6 speed all the way..wherever you can get it
@aaaaachew3 жыл бұрын
I can’t afford the CS but I do believe I get most of what you describe from my 06 M3 manual for less than half the price.
@foesfly30473 жыл бұрын
You're slipping, My Brother... not a single comparison to the 911 😎🎩
@MotoManTV3 жыл бұрын
Too many cigars on set:)
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
This is a really tough pill to swallow at this price. I paid $84k for my 991.2 Carrera T with 5k miles. I guess it's for those who can pretend that Porsche doesn't exist...
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
what dork compares different brands used vs new. The Porsche is probably already out of guarantee or at least close to be
@trigganometry1683 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you don’t have a manual hand brake.
@MrSchn3ll3 жыл бұрын
@@trigganometry168 and how often do you use that to powerslide??
@trigganometry1683 жыл бұрын
@@MrSchn3ll More often then you can. Lol
@ssamcobalt49563 жыл бұрын
Manual yes
@stevemartegani3 жыл бұрын
Are you sponsored by KBB? There are quite a few new ones of these listed for sale on other sites still...
@svtweston3 жыл бұрын
Better than GT4 as a fun weekend car?
@warrenw87057 ай бұрын
100%
@dodge200713 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@wlifting3 жыл бұрын
CT5 V Blackwing 6 speed is better?
@wlifting3 жыл бұрын
Brand new CT5 V Blackwing just under $100k. Last V8 four don't Manual transmission ever. 668 ponies and 659 Torque!
@KealeyOnCars3 жыл бұрын
That’s 3500lbs?! Wow. A Type R is 500 lbs lighter
@hazardeur3 жыл бұрын
yeah, that's why it's slow as fuck
@InvestBetter.3 жыл бұрын
The M2 Competition manual is the best car BMW currently makes Is this C2 worth an extra $23-33k over the M2? No. Is the M2 Competition the smarter buy? Yes, but if you want the best M2 ever made, get it. This WILL become a collectible, if you keep the miles down
@charliewilson35283 жыл бұрын
Well if want a Claus is coming. Why not add some carbon fiber wheels.
@Levente203 жыл бұрын
wow look at that shitty wavy carbon wave at 1:26 on the roof. what were they thinkin? pfff. at this price point such a quality? wtf BMW
@MattNis13 жыл бұрын
Driving that looks annoying
@Fluterra3 жыл бұрын
What about the CROOKED SEATS?! Google it. BMW cut safety corners with the 2 series. Rather than proper engineering, they skewed the seats outward to meet side impact requirements. Your legs are not parallel with the steering column! Ridiculous. I cut my order. It’s one of those things that once you notice, you can’t forget. Look at your legs when you’re driving it. Better put your chiropractor on speed dial!
@bvans64393 жыл бұрын
Generally I am a kind comment dude. But I can't do it this time. To speak plainly here, "Is anyone else laughing at that price point?" You should be and then see what else - also "collectible "- is available at 92K. Truth, as a former owner of a few (5) BMWS - 318, 325, X5 (2011), and an M5 (2014), the "modern" BMW I've test driven has gone to the dogs. Crappy transmissions, slushy handling, imprecise brakes that overheat easily. Remember how the old BMW's felt? That's gone. Replaced with a $92k mini track car with alcantara? That's the best BMW can do? I weep that I sold my older Bimmers.
@gregoryludt32042 жыл бұрын
@b vans seen prices on them lately? 🤯
@bvans64392 жыл бұрын
@@gregoryludt3204 shocking stuff
@bvans64392 жыл бұрын
@@gregoryludt3204 Dare I say, Insulting? Folks think about what else is available in this price range and be sure to test drive them. #$83K. It's not the price really, right? It's the value - the performance, the handling, the durability, the reliability, even as a track only car (which would require enormous bmw spec upgrades) - I'm just shaking my head. The only BMW's I see in my condo garage are M5's. Lots of well cared for Porsches (new to 20+ years old). Lots of Audi crossovers, teslas are long gone replaced by Taycans. A bunch of McLaren's sprinkled about. I write this because there are a group of well heeled weekend racing enthusiasts here - they drive everything and the results are a great indication of quality. Probably more than you needed but maybe valuable for the readers. Cheers all.