I love the presentation, the structured format of impressions and analytic approach. Well done! Subcribed.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thx for the great feedback!
@jeffreymcfarland64072 жыл бұрын
This was my fourth review from you in two days and was amazed with the presentation and knowledge for us wanting to learn average Joe's. Keep em coming.
@Carney_asada3 жыл бұрын
Great review! I set mine up 2x with 700x38. It really is such a comfortable bike. Probably going to get a set of 650b wheels with some chunky tires for the trails!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic bike!
@michaelbyers89313 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that this can be set up as a 2x. This is a requirement for my riding.
@samuelbaker65423 жыл бұрын
Great review. I built mine as a mountain bike. 2.1s on 650b. 1x11 and carbon bullmoose bars. It’s sub 8kg and an absolute blast. It motors on the pavement transitioning to gravel. I have 3 young kids so my cycling is typically opportunistic and the outback is ready for anything, anytime!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Great build! Sounds awesome. Two little ones myself, ‘opportunistic’ is such a great way to describe it. Get those miles in when you can!
@dmitryliashko783 жыл бұрын
Are 27.5x2.1 tires the maximum size for this frame and fork? Or maybe 27.5x2.2 possible?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Officially 650b x 2.0, but could vary with rim and tire combo
@johnrobertson1442 Жыл бұрын
Super informative review for a bike I have been considering for many of the reasons you stated. Thank you for your well structured/organized and thorough evaluation.
@Fatbutnotflat3 жыл бұрын
Very well done review, jam-packed 14 mins! Liked the footages too. I hope you get to review many other bikes in the future!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Too kind! I hope so too.
@jasonwu92872 жыл бұрын
Regarding running three cables down the downtube and still having a bottle cage mount underneath, check out the Specialized AWOL, it's executed beautifully (imo).
@alexmurdock91013 жыл бұрын
I bought one a few months ago and built it up 1x with the Sram Rival group that came with my Kona Sutra. With my Spinergy GX wheels and Force crank it comes to 21 lb. even with Crank bros Candies. I also sold my cross bike so I'm down to just this (and my townie), light enough for daily rides on mixed surface, and also for loaded trips. I LOVE THIS BIKE. I've had a few carbon bikes and I'm done with them - too stiff and fragile. One review (road.cc I think) said Ritchey told them the middle wall thickness on the top tube is too thin to support braze-ons, so they had to use two cable stops at either end where the butts are thicker. Cable guides would require a braze-on in the middle of the tube so that wouldn't work. Just run a length of housing in the middle and you can run bags.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Sold on steel then? Fascinating about the cable issue. I just don’t see it being as big a deal as some make it out to be. Right, you could just add a length of housing as a sleeve and call it a day.
@TobinGeorgeWashington2 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex - What size front chainring and cassette did you decide to use with your SRAM Rival system (and how do you feel about it)? I am considering a similar Outback v2 build/use case with a 36t in the front and a SRAM 12spd 10-52t in the back.
@peterhehn9511 Жыл бұрын
So I have the Break Away Outback for a week now. I didn't think I could find a better bike than my Swiss Cross but I just did! I have it set up 1X (White industries crank/Sun Race 42 x 10-42, Klampers, SRAM Force shifters and the rest all Ritchey. 700c Zeta Classic wheels with Maxxis Rambler 45c. The most comfortable bike I have ever ridden.
@TheBikeSauce Жыл бұрын
Sounds super nice!
@shannonparker74043 жыл бұрын
I have the Ritchey Road Logic roadie. If I could find one of these frames for sale I would buy it in a heartbeat.
@patrickwallen50652 жыл бұрын
My first good mountain bike was a Breezer I think 1989 with Ritchey Logic tubing, I loved that bike!!!
@mikep2773 жыл бұрын
You had me at Ritchey ! Beautiful Bike 🤘🏼😎
@bruin49373 жыл бұрын
I think I may have found my next bike. Thanks for this review.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. You won’t be disappointed I think (if you can source one right now)
@marcosobrevinas83512 жыл бұрын
Superbly done. One of the best reviews of the 2020 Ritchey Outback, video or written form, that I've seen. Thanks for this. Have ordered one from my LBS, with a GRX 1x group, GRX 650b wheels, 48mm Rene Herse tires. Will try and find Ritchey's FlexLogic post for this, as it seems it would nicely complement the plush ride. But availability is scarce right now.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, what an awesome build. Green or sunburst?
@marcosobrevinas83512 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly! I had briefly considered Campagnolo Ekar 1 x 13, but Shimano GRX 1x is so reliable on my current bike, I decided to stay with it. As for colour: I saw both the green and sunset frames that belonged to other customers at my LBS. Looking at just pics, I would've said green. But having seen the sunset, that's cool too, in an '80's, kitschy way LOL. I told my LBS that whichever colour comes in first in my size in their next shipment, I'll take it! :)
@PRH1239 ай бұрын
Very nice. Stance and geometry looks great to the eye. As pilots say about airplanes, if it looks right, it flies right.
@andrewhamilton34862 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying the sunset fade in a medium and the fit is great (was unsure if I would be a small or medium. Ritchey helped with sizing advice). Awesome ride quality.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Niiiiice! Happy nbd
@olivierpicon1860 Жыл бұрын
I'm also hesitating between M and S. I'm 1,70 m. Could you tell me your height as a guide?
@andrewhamilton3486 Жыл бұрын
@@olivierpicon1860 hi, 168cm. Running an 80mm stem. Zero offset post. Been trialling a 90mm stem, also good. Bars are a Pro discover reach is 65mm.. extra stack with the medium works well for me. Hope that helps 🙏
@olivierpicon1860 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewhamilton3486 thank you very much. It helps indeed.
@olivierpicon1860 Жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you again. I'm almost sold on getting an M like you. Just wanted to know: don't you have problems with the standover height? Thank you in advance.
@davidross82332 жыл бұрын
Those long chain stays are calling me.
@nickisauer96263 жыл бұрын
Like what I see and the fresh green colour
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Right on!
@billpetersenjr.57813 жыл бұрын
I have the 2020 set up with Campy's 13spd EKAR grouppo and running a pair of 44cm/700c for general gravel and 2.0/650b for more technical trails. The outback is a smooth and comfortable ride and very responsive for having such a long wheelbase. It fits perfectly between my steel Torelli road frame and SOMA analog MTB. It really has become my Leatherman multi-tool bike.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Dude. Baller!
@mokotramp4 ай бұрын
Super review! Just waiting for my Granite + Snow to arrive, pretty sure I had the last one available in the UK! ✌️
@CL-dh2mf3 жыл бұрын
Great review! According to Jan Heine, even these differences in chainstay length can hardly affect anything in terms of handling. Sounds like a well thought out bike. I like relaxed and calm style without cuts every 2 seconds. Best of luck to you!✌️
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Ohh right. Looks like you’ve read his new book? Fantastic overview of all things all-road. Thanks for watching
@CL-dh2mf3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Right! It is a nice book for sure and I'm loving those tires. If you haven't yet, give those a try!🙂
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Rene Herse tires are on the (ongoing) wishlist 😆
@CL-dh2mf3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Just arrived from a ride with a old school Panasonic mc 6500 with Rat Trap Tires and am still smiling.😍
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Legendary. Late 80s or very early 90s, right?
@alexanderwyss88422 жыл бұрын
Very good review, neatly analyzed and categorized. Ride on!
@scotchvelo Жыл бұрын
This is such an excellent review, thank you. I'm thinking of getting this bike online, built up by Adrenaline Bikes with the 2x GRX package. The only bummer about not being able to actually demo or even SEE the bike in person before buying is, of course, sizing. I ride a 58 Jamis Exploit now, but I'm 5'10.5" with a 31" inseam so probably the medium, but it does make me nervous not being able to ride the bike first! Anyway, thanks again.
@toddmcdonough3 жыл бұрын
I like that Ritchey goes their own way. I chose my Marin Nicasio One (lowest on the food chain) because of its straight forward cable routing and many other "outdated" features. Well, that and it was $800 complete...
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Right on. Heard great things about the Nicasio. I have a ton of respect for cyclists who ‘earn’ their upgrades by starting basic and learning what components actually improve the ride experience. Too many riders going straight for the top shelf these days.
@daveg78783 жыл бұрын
Great looking bike and a useful, practical review.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
I think pretty much every branded frame has logo text on it?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad3 жыл бұрын
Well done mate! I own several Ritchey steel bikes. I sell them too and I’m always thinking “these things should sell for a lot more!”
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Ha, right on!
@mr.rodriguez35123 жыл бұрын
Well..... Don't talk to loud, so they maintain the affordable price!!!!!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
😆
@WakizashiSabre2 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats aesthetics of thin steel tubes. Loved my hardcore hardtail, but for my height it was no go for climbing. Now having Czech small producer RB bike from, model RX - they weld the frames themselves, no outsource - worth checking. But while happy even if Al, i surely would prefer the more comfy steel. Also the size of the tubes is like on some very rough MTB as well. :)
@lukehendrickson36692 жыл бұрын
I'll second what you say about having a short chainstay: I have a Swiss Cross canti and its chainstay length is 425mm. The bike is *super* twitchy (fun) however that translates to pure fright on descents while riding on the hoods. Since I started descending in the drops, the stability/control greatly increased and now I can descend fast on some super rough stuff without too much fear of dying in a super gnarly accident lol. It's still not nearly as stable as the Outback (or something like a Riv) but I love how responsive it is and the steel provides great dampening and ride comfort on the rough stuff/longer rides.
@chrisingram96812 жыл бұрын
great presentation and really helpful in informing my decision to buy an outback...although being a thru and thru roadie I do have lingering question marks about the longer chainstays / rear triangle compared to that of say a Swisscross. subscribed.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Right on. 2 different bikes for sure, both are pretty awesome
@williamlebron98733 жыл бұрын
GREAT review. The bike looks AWESOME. Love the color too. The one thing I don’t like is the cables. They should make all cables full housing & put the top tube cable down the bottom so you could put a top tube bag.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thx. Others have the same concern, but it’s easy enough to run full housing yourself if needed.
@flaviocolker39982 жыл бұрын
Bad idea. Hidden cables make it difficult to work on a bike.
@briank4134 Жыл бұрын
20.3 pounds built up with some not super light components? That's pretty amazing. Not that most people will care.
@MrFrescocotone2 жыл бұрын
Great review for an amazing bike!
@MrFrescocotone2 жыл бұрын
amazing analysis smd review of one of my favorite bikes. may I ask you what frame bag you're using?
@krstfrbrn3 ай бұрын
I wonder how is outback compared to Trek 520 Grando. I hope the outback can handle front racks well.
@SweetMeat37373 жыл бұрын
I’ve got one of these with 650b x 2.1 tires, it just begs to tear shit up.
@mikegarcia8079 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review, nothing like the experience of actually being on the bike to fully understand how it responds. I’ve been considering a Breakaway Outback, do they have the new geometry and features you noted? Do you have an opinion regarding whether the Breakaway Outback and Outback have the same ride characteristics?
@shannonparker74042 жыл бұрын
Got one!!! Turned up yesterday. Now, to find the drivetrain components... That might be even harder than finding the frame.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Yes! congrats! Green or Sunset fade? Tough question for sure.
@shannonparker74042 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Had no choice, green or nothing! :-)
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
There’s no wrong choice
@ottodiesel99923 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good review.. as a german I value your factual videos a lot..thanks :)
@jpalipio3453Ай бұрын
Why choose a small over a medium?
@jasonreed84522 жыл бұрын
Great review, interested to know if you would have preferred a medium size.
@michaelrheiner24153 жыл бұрын
Like a few others, I’d like to see your thoughts about this compared to the Diverge. I’ve got my first Comp Carbon on order to be here some time in March. I selected it as a do everything option for me to train, ride gravel races with my wife, and just enjoy some long trails and rides with her when I’m not doing Triathlon stuff. It will also be my Tribike with added arm rests simply because I’m an age grouper, not a professional. I wanted as little weight as possible for a do everything bike as I get older. The Richey seems very much like a bike suited for some of the amazing trails I’ve been hearing about in Arkansas that has been growing as a biking destination for the gravel crowd. But since you’ve ridden the Diverge in similar conditions as the Richey, thoughts on performance/comfort/ruggedness? Again, another well done video!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Yea interesting comparison. They both do well in off road stuff, but I have to say the Outback plows through the chunk with more confidence. The diverge (as with many modern all road bikes) adopts the short chain stays which I suppose improved road responsiveness, but the longer stays improve off-road stability. Regarding weight, the Outback is actually (marginally) lighter than my carbon diverge! The outback’s butted tubing is really a testament to great material design and the older stigma of steel = heavy can be put to rest. Could probably do a whole video on this, but overall I’d say the Outback favors riders who like 50/50 split of road and gravel, whereas a bike like the diverge seems a bit more biased toward road, but still off road capable.
@michaelrheiner24153 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Sounds like my initial sense of intended purpose for my own bike wasn’t a bad selection. The reality is that, given my location and Tri-goals, leaning towards road with off road options wasn’t too off base. There are only thousands of options to pick from that ultimately I had a budget, and bought from the local cycle shop I liked best. Thank you for helping me see a bit into the world of Richey!
@Mosely20072 жыл бұрын
Big difference is Diverge has tire clearance issues. Depending on rims best I can do is 35mm. Wider is more comfortable on gravel my Salsa Vaya has 45s. Steel nice ride on gravel . Mine have road cranks. Pitched that weenie compact stuff
@rlane4osu1992 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review! Trying to lock down the sizing for this frame. I see you are 5'8" and ran a small? Do you happen to know your inseam and/or saddle height? I'm 5'8" and some change as well with a tad longish 31" inseam and debating whether the medium would be a better fit. Thanks!
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Inseam is roughly 29-30”. Short legs. Consider checking out @pathlesspedaled recent video on bike sizing between sizes. Sounds like you’re #smedium too!
@charlied16753 жыл бұрын
This will be my next bike to add to my Road Logic. Just can't decide whether to spring for the outback breakaway or the regular. Was wondering if you have any comment about whether putting a flat bar on the bike would be a bad idea or not.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Nice - a Ritchey lineup! No problems putting a flat bar on. If they're going to be really wide, then perhaps consider a shorter stem, but that's about it. Would be a unique build for sure
@mokotramp7 ай бұрын
Great review! ✌️
@patrickrenschler2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review! How much did this setup weigh? (I didn't hear you mention it in the video but I might have missed it).
@fastenthenzip61804 ай бұрын
At your height (173cm) how did you feel on a size SMALL of the Ritchey Outback?? I am 175cm...and I think I'm about to purchase a MEDIUM size. Thanks.
@joeykraut62683 жыл бұрын
"A road ride"- spoken like a true fullerton resident.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
😆 didn’t know that was specific to the Fullerton vernacular
@joeykraut62683 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce a lot of fullerton roads are in desperate need of repair.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Haha got it.
@kornenator Жыл бұрын
I know it's more easier to service and looks old school, but i really wish steel frames would be available with internal cable routing too, that would make adding accessories much easier.
@Jonatsdonats3 жыл бұрын
the paintjob is surprisingly good in person. a bit of a matte finish to it comparing it to other shiny finished ones. what groupset would you recommend for a beginner rider for this one? planning on purchasing this as my first serious bike
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Beginner or not, it all depends on what type of riding you’ll favor. 1x is honestly sufficient for 90% of riders in my opinion. I’d go with a midrange group, similar to grx600 or the bulletproof 105. No need to drop toms of cash on a high end group set. Better places to spend money on the bike in my opinion.
@DS-nw1wc3 жыл бұрын
Great review, well articulated 👍
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@martybee66483 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal Review - where can you get this bike fully built ?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they offer it as a full built. It’s fun to build it up from the frame though!
@dcv94602 жыл бұрын
GREAT Review! 🤘🤘🤘
@ArisKaratarakis3 жыл бұрын
Really helpful review! bumped into your channel while looking for outback frame reviews. Also the same height and really struggling to between S and M and after viewing this I'm leaning towards the S, just curious what is your arm length (if you don't mind sharing!)
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Nice, I think I could go either way. Just prefer riding smaller frames. Not sure how to measure arm length exactly, but fingertip to shoulder joint is about 28-29"
@ke0kie9 ай бұрын
Is the carbon outback discontinued?
@dryburn3 жыл бұрын
Is the cockpit all Ritchey? The bars look much more comfortable than the Beacon bars.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Yea this bike was setup with a Ritchey finishing kit. Bars are VentureMax. Really great bars for mixed terrain riding
@jamiecox25063 жыл бұрын
I want to buy one. But here in Australia the allocated stock belongs to an online retailer. You can't buy one from a shop because they cannot get them.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Mm. Bummer. When they come back in stock on Ritchey’s site, perhaps jump on one then?
@ianbauer47032 жыл бұрын
Great review, nice looking bike. Have you compared this Ritchey bike to their Swiss Cross cc bike? If so, how does it compare or differ?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Thx. Haven’t ridden the Swiss cross, but geo chart would suggest it would be a little less relaxed and more nimble.
@emmanuelmaceda24753 жыл бұрын
Great review! We are of the same height and I was surprised you were riding size small. Wasn't it a bit small for you? Toe overlap? Did you have to extend your stem to say 110mm or just kept it at 90mm-100mm?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thx for watching. Yea I’m always on the border between small and medium, but I generally prefer the small for better control. Stem is not extended, and fit tends more toward upright rather than hunched and stretched out
@mogynamite0083 жыл бұрын
Nice in depth review.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Thx for watching
@the_derpler2 жыл бұрын
I really wish I got to ride one of these before I pulled the trigger on my Swiss Cross. I was afraid that this bike would be a bit too supple for my lil road jaunts and off road bits near Marin.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Too.. supple..?
@johnfalconer92643 жыл бұрын
Great review, what brand/model of handle bar bag is shown in your review?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
It’s a Lead Out bar bag
@kensisti27613 жыл бұрын
Great job. Thanks
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the kind words!
@tubesticker3 жыл бұрын
Nice review! How much would the built you had in the video cost? Also: I'm currently looking at Fairlights Faran 2.0 or Secan 2.0. How would you compare the Outback to those?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Can’t say exactly, but it had GRX 600 1x, and Ritchey finishing kit. Best guess between $2800-$3200 out the door. I don’t have any experience on Fairlight frames (yet 😆), but they’re in the same genre
@bradsanders69543 жыл бұрын
Every time I ride my gravel bike somewhere a mt bike would be way better,it turns out my mt bike would have been WAY better............."nimble and agile" IS fun! When flying downhill they turn way better and steer quickly. The lively feel is a good part of the fun of a bike. Its all opinion.
@alexmurdock91013 жыл бұрын
Until you get on the road, then a mtn bike is a dud. I ride on roads/gravel to smooth single track. Gravel bikes can't be beat for that.
@danunger72433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review. In terms of bike weight, you said it was sub 21 pounds in this configuration, but it's not clear to me if that is as delivered (with the alloy wheels) or with the Hunt carbon wheels on it. I agree that most people who buy this won't be overly concerned with weight, but I'd like to know what wheels were on the bike when you weighed it to get a feel for weight with a pretty standard build.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
That weight was with the hunt carbons and gravel king sk (43mm) tubeless. Probably marginally heavier with the zeta alloys.
@danunger72433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the prompt reply!
@chriiistianxd3 жыл бұрын
I’m in search of a bike..desperately. I’ve been looking for a carbon road frame because of its hype and popularity but I may be swayed to get a steel frame after this review (I’m an average rider) lol
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Haha yea slim pickings right now. Best of luck. Bug your local shops persistently haha
@martinaxe63903 жыл бұрын
I bought a ritchey logic. Most comfortable bike I've ever rode. If you're not competing seriously, go with steel. The durability and comfort can't be beat.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Happy belated NBD!
@artvanderschlut72053 жыл бұрын
This is an excellently detailed review and presented well. The only improvement I would make is to quit it with the jump cuts, they are really distracting and your presentation doesn't require it. You don't need 'em!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
If you saw the raw footage, you'd see that I really need them 😆
@NickNiemiec3 жыл бұрын
How do you think this would run with 30mm road tires on it, say, half the time, for road rides? Thinking about a separate 650x2.1 wheelset and swapping for the occasion. Great vid!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Great plan, but may as well go wider for road rides. I might run a 700c x 38 tubeless for dedicated road efforts. Will be just as fast as high pressure skinnies but far more comfortable
@WaveformWanderlust2 жыл бұрын
Hey I know that "watch your downhill speed" sign and those train tracks! I just did that ride last Sunday. Would you say the outback handled the whole loop well?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Outback crushed the Floop. Could probably handle more depending on how spicy you’re feeling
@rlake3493 жыл бұрын
I love this bike! 🤓
@DirtyHairHaloCrowe2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned the frame was a size medium. How tall are you you? And how did it fit? I'm 5'10" and currently looking to buy this frame. Just wondering what size I would be. Medium looks about right. Thanks!
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
I’m 5’8” and I actually think the test bike was a small
@albertyi25933 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if you've addressed this in your review, but could you elaborate why you got the Ritchey and how it serves you compared to your Diverge? I'm considering a 2nd bike, if nothing more than a backup to my Diverge if it requires some long-term downtime for repairs. Alternatively, I could have spare parts on hand... but I feel like the retail cost of stocking up on replacement parts to reduce downtime (and potentially all the related specialty tools) could come close to the cost of a new bike. Your thoughts?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
The Ritchey was a bike sent over for review. I returned it after the review period was up. The Diverge is my personal bike. Very different bikes, but both aspire to be a do-it-all machine and both do it all pretty well. If I had to summarize in a line, I might say the Diverge is all-road capable, but slightly more road oriented and more nimble, while the Outback is more dirt oriented and more stable
@rgefryer3 жыл бұрын
Good review, thanks! I'd really like to know how you feel it stacks up against the Diverge.
@ottodiesel99923 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. Did you miss the future shock??
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Yea interesting comparison, but I do have direct experience 😆. If you look at the geometry charts, they’re actually somewhat similar, save for the longer stays on the Outback. They both tend somewhat toward upright. Do a comparison on bikeinsights.com and you can see. Regarding the feel, the Outback is surprisingly compliant with the butted steel tubing. The future shock on the diverge definitely adds more compliance for bigger bumps, as it has 20mm of travel, but the feel of the Outback is comparable in terms of muting out the high frequency chatter.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
The diverge comes in 9 different tiers all at different price points. Tough to compare costs without knowing which model. Also the Outback isn’t available as a full build
@martinslouf18693 жыл бұрын
@TheBikeSauce: Great review, in fact I am seriously considering buying this bike since I saw it comming out in 2020. My first experience with Ritchey was P-29er cross country mtb and riding it in suitable terrain is very pleasing. My gravel build will be aimed more toward road experience with WCS components, so I am considering 2x system more than 1x and I based on your technical review, and some helpfull comments and answers -- what do you think about SRAM Force eTap AXS? I think I prefer cables and I am ok with external routing for the simplicity, but to have no routing at all ... do you have any insight or experience with AXS?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fun project. No first hand experience with force AXS, unfortunately, but I’ve got a couple of detailed 1x vs 2x videos you might check out before you rule out 1x.
@martinslouf18693 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce Indeed I already had :-), great stuff. I especially like what you have said about the lower gears ratio on 1x and 2x system. Though I prefer sram eagle to shimano, this is exactly what shimano is doing better. Anyway: 1x or 2x? I do intend to climb a bit as well as do some long distance flat rides, so I am certain -- I know my hills :-) -- I really need those extra gears for climbing. For me it comes down to this: If 1x, I need eagle range + drop down bars => sram AXS eagle + sram Red/Force AXS shifters + crankset (40 or 42t) to get me the range I want -- no way how to do this with shimano or anyone else I guess? And hence no cables at all. If 2x, I have plenty of options and probably both shimano or sram or anything else decently priced will do the job, no need for AXS there. I definitely consider myself being a smile-per-mile guy, so the exact right cadence and power output are ... not so important. I also love my 1x drivertrain on my Ritchey P-29er since the simplicity and performance is great, however, I do commute on my bike every day and riding the same gears all the time means new gx eagle cassette every year. 2x system will provide more options (more-or-less same ratios across the gear range) and thus less wear overall. But really thanks, your videos made me think it through -- I am writing my own gear-ratio comparison tool now -- just prefer matplotlib to matlab :-) -- and I will go for 1x mullet build with AXS eagle and AXS Force shifters (Red being too pricey). Again, thanks a lot and keep up!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Great! Sounds like you’ve done your research!
@ziggypi48132 жыл бұрын
solid content
@CDubyaX2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m also 5’8” and have the opportunity to get a size M. Haven’t been able to check it out, any thoughts on that size for me based on how the size S was for you?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
You can probably make it work fine. I prefer slightly smaller bike but I could’ve gone either way too
@jesseg89202 жыл бұрын
Where do you go to find these bikes completely built? Just checked Ritchey’s website and they are sold out of the frames. Thanks.
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
This was a fully built demo unit sent over by Ritchey . In general they only sell frame sets
@glidealong11713 жыл бұрын
How large a 700c do you think it will spin. We have a bit of sand around here and I would favor 700x50 to 55.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
It does depend on the rim width, but I'd say you could easily stuff a 50mm in there without fenders.
@spottyride26572 жыл бұрын
Nice gravel 😜
@chrisphillips62293 жыл бұрын
Any chance you can do a review of the Logic.. in comparison of the outback? Cause.. “every bike is a gravel bike”
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Ha, every bike can be ridden on gravel, but that doesn't mean every bike is FUN on gravel. Perhaps I may try a Road Logic for a while, but a key difference includes 700c x 30 upper limit on tire width on the Road Logic. Makes sense for a pure road bike, but even then, all the science points to wider being faster (even on the road). Then the much shorter chainstays and steeper headtube angle all orient the bike as a quick-handling, nimble road machine. I imagine it would make for some very white-knuckled descents down chunkier off-road stuff, but this is speculation.
@charlied16753 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce I can squeeze some Continental 700x32s on my Road Logic but it is a close fit.
@censirosa5338 Жыл бұрын
Il peux être très beau même magnifique tout est de super gamme, moi j ai pas les moyens 👍
@angrokan3 жыл бұрын
Whats the prize? What happened to your specialized? Just realized we have the same size, what Frame Size does your Specialized have and do you think its the right choice or could it be smaller/larger?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Ha, I still have the diverge. This is a review bike loaned to me by Ritchey. At 5’8”, it’s kind of the border between small and medium, but I prefer to ride a smaller frame
@mattmacpherson10333 жыл бұрын
Great review. Also wondering how it compares to Diverge, Do you know what speed it is comfortable running at on the road? Too bad it is sold out already.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Haha interesting request from a lot of people since they’re very different bikes. Perhaps I’ll do a comparison, but it would be very apples to oranges. As far as speed, practically speaking, the Outback is as fast as any other bike. 99% of speed is a function of rider power and position on bike. Differences between bikes will be mostly in handling characteristics.
@andrewhamilton34862 жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice work. What is your saddle height? Could you ride a medium??
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, but I think I’d few too stretched out
@andrewhamilton34862 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce thanks. Any thoughts on the ritchey ascent yet??
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Video in the works. Either this week or the following week. Thanks!
@tgod41292 жыл бұрын
Whats body size you need for a M? Thanks a lot
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Maybe 5’9” and taller, but it’s down to preference as wel
@robroba103 жыл бұрын
Gosh I want it so bad, sold out :(
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
@ritcheydesign is announcing something big on Monday.. maybe keep tabs on their page! 💁♂️
@robroba103 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce woah thanks for the heads up!!
@geraldsy2 жыл бұрын
Which is better this ritchey steel or winspace g2?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
They couldn’t be more different, really hard to compare. Depends on how you ride a bike
@rlane4osu1992 жыл бұрын
What frame bag is that around the 11min mark?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Outershell half frame bag
@andrewamundsen12293 жыл бұрын
#smilespermile , love that!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
the best cycling metric!
@andrewamundsen12293 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce If you’re not already using that as a catchphrase, claim it and run with it! Best of luck.
@JBMartinez2 жыл бұрын
Hi - what’s the length of your handlebar?
@TheBikeSauce2 жыл бұрын
Usually 40 or 42cm
@Massproduce2013 жыл бұрын
This or SwissCross?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Ha pretty loaded question. I’d say Swisscross for miles per hour, Outback for smiles per mile
@Massproduce2013 жыл бұрын
Thanks for responding. I know the Swiss is racier and more agile so wouldn’t that be better for getting around obstacles and overall maneuverability etc? The outbacks more upright and relaxed geometry does sound appealing considering I already own a Road Logic. Thanks!
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
To a degree, but the point of stretched out slacker geo is to add stability on chunky off road descents. In my experience, ‘agile’ on the road can translate to twitchy and unpredictable off road. Outback I think favors the off road stuff and behaves decently well on the road.
@johnlockwood3673 жыл бұрын
I have a Swiss Cross with a 2X GRX group. It is one of the best bikes I've ever owned (road, mountain, or gravel). I chose it because my rides are a mix of paved and dirt roads, but it can handle the worst of the off road stuff. But, for really long adventures (and if you need racks, bags, fenders and the extra bottle cage) I'd say go for the outback.
@pingpongballz59983 жыл бұрын
Where do you ride? Looks pretty cool
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Mostly within a 30 mile radius of Fullerton, CA
@pingpongballz59983 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce I figured it might be around Fullerton. I'm from Bakersfield. Lots of gravel out here.
@Baksan_Dog19883 жыл бұрын
curious if how does this compare to the midnight special??
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
If I can get my hands on one, I’ll review it and report back!
@Baksan_Dog19883 жыл бұрын
@@TheBikeSauce awesome mate, new sub here and enjoying your content.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@agostinopeta22953 жыл бұрын
The priceeeeeeeee
@walkwithmetravel35963 жыл бұрын
I guess nobody remembers Ritchey's P-23, P-22, P-20. It's a tweak of a lightweight steel mountainbike with dropbars.
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of cyclists consider the new gravel segment to be early 90s mtb w drop bars. Some truth to it, but gravel / all-road is certainly a standalone segment in its own right
@samuelbaker65423 жыл бұрын
I built mine as a mountain bike. 2.1 650b and bullmoose bars. Sub 8kg It’s a weapon 😃
@corbycobb24493 жыл бұрын
will it fit 3x ?
@TheBikeSauce3 жыл бұрын
Sure
@FranklinUHyde2 жыл бұрын
9:56 and on... wtf?
@osint63723 жыл бұрын
nahhhhh...
@sbsb49952 жыл бұрын
Disc brakes ruined the look, the weight and the aerodynamic of this bicycle. Good review by the way.