2021 900ish Middleweight Nakeds Shootout
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2 жыл бұрынDon’t look now, but the field of naked bikes slotting in just below the 1000cc mark is starting to rise - and we’re all the better for it. Maybe the OEMs have figured out that those big beasts in the upper echelons of naked bike performance are just too much for the more sensible among us. They’re too big, too fast, too powerful, with too much electronics, and too much of a price tag. For those of us still with a desire for naked bike fun, but at a slightly more moderate pace, we bring you the assembly of motorcycling you see before you.
What you get from the BMW F900R, Ducati Monster, Kawasaki Z900, KTM 890 Duke, Triumph Street Triple R, and Yamaha MT-09 are six of the hottest bikes in the sub-1000cc category today, and a nice step up from the middleweights we recently tested. And before any Suzuki fanboys (or girls) grill us, yes, we extended an invitation for the GSX-S750. Unfortunately, one couldn’t be provided for us in time. In all honesty, its inclusion wouldn’t have made an impact on the overall winner, but we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves.
All that's left to do now is shake these bikes out to see where they stand!
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@briananderson2219 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad you brought the older fellow, no denying his age bracket is part of the purchasing demographics, but more importantly his experience level can rule out all of the ego testosterone BS of the younger fella’s and leave left what is good about riding a motorcycle. Do us all a favor and keep him in the further video reviews as well. Excellent video by the way
@johnburns8956 2 жыл бұрын
older?
@TheMalhavoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnburns8956 “more seasoned” or “higher level” perhaps.
@dbauernf 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I appreciate the comments on Z900 being smooth as that's of HUGE importance to me for example. I'm too old for bikes with character. 🤣😂
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
@@dbauernf Huh!? What did you say? Speak louder Sonny, don't mumble. (ding-dang kids these days.....)
@drachwitz 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnburns8956 pay no attention to the whippersnapper 😀
@FoiMal123 2 жыл бұрын
The old man was on point on every aspect of the bikes characteristics and dynamics. The other two not so much.
@FoiMal123 2 жыл бұрын
@Pete how’d you know?
@ts03227648 Жыл бұрын
totally agree with you.
@bikenbush Жыл бұрын
I have to agree 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽!
@mykolapelyp9065 10 ай бұрын
I agree, editor was too cocky and disrespectful, I don't believe A WORD from him, Guy near ducati seemed to be in little conflict/dispute with guy who rated kawa third
@peterjordansonthe2nd731 3 ай бұрын
That's only "if you're talking 'neck-eds'" Otherwise false
@davidnacy1324 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see the same test, but with the premium versions...MT-09SP, Monster+, Street Triple RS, & Duke R!
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. It would be interesting to see if the improvements are worth the premium price. I am not certain that I ride hard enough to notice the difference. Also, it is pretty sneaky for Yamaha to only offer cruise control on the SP.
@rjwz28 2 жыл бұрын
Monster + is an accessory package that simply adds a fly screen and cowl… There is no “premium” (performance) version of the new Monster yet. I expect an S model will come next year. My suspicion is Ducati waited to release the new Monster S because they had an overstock of leftover 1200/1200S models to sell off and didn’t want to to hurt their ability to do that. Otherwise, I agree… We’ve already seen the 890 Duke R vs 765 STriple RS head to head last year, but a re-do including the new MT-09 SP would be great.
@johnridesadv2512 2 жыл бұрын
The Duke 890R and MT09 SP gotta be pretty damn close. Can't go wrong with either bike, but I'd go Yamaha only because of better overall reliability and much closer dealer.
@rjwz28 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnridesadv2512 My gf likes Yamaha a lot (she currently rides an R6), and went in preferring the looks of the MT-09 SP, but after riding both back to back, she came away a lot more excited by the 890 Duke R. That's a pretty good endorsement from somebody who was actively avoiding the Duke because she didn't want to match bikes with my Super Duke. I've ridden both as well, and the KTM has a notably more fun personality. Also, the KTM gives you a MUCH better braking system versus the Yamaha. Honestly, though, any of the three will be a riot on canyon roads and the track, and I'm excited to see an S version of the new Monster come along as well.
@johnridesadv2512 2 жыл бұрын
@@rjwz28 Damn. Hard to believe the engine in the Duke would be more exciting than Yamaha's triple with the quick shifter. My XSR900 is great, but if it had a quick shifter, wow wow wow. I will need to test ride both!
@jesparon 2 жыл бұрын
I laughed so hard when John mentioned that the KTM looks like a power tool.
@1985GusT 2 жыл бұрын
Now I can’t unsee black&decker power tools when I look at it 😂
@NudaMan 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 idk any other brand that actually sells tools too to work on your bike though
@johnburns8956 2 жыл бұрын
did i say power tool or gardening tool? I was thinking more weed whacker, or that headlight looks like a hedge trimmer. Great bike tho!
@tammy1001 2 жыл бұрын
Funny cause true.
@godzillacat1291 2 жыл бұрын
Home depot bike 😂
@mattlindsey9242 2 жыл бұрын
I don't own any of these bikes but it's the first time I've seen someone bag on the z900. It's almost bizarre.
@andyp8434 2 жыл бұрын
He must just be a Kawasaki hater.
@AQHackAQ Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a great all-rounder bike, maybe one would say 'average' at worst. Plenty of power and respectable handling. There's really nothing in particular that would make someone hate it other than just hating on Kawasaki's bike for no rational reason.
@paulhope3401 Жыл бұрын
I don't own any of them.. yet.. preferences can be very subjective but I'm looking at getting the MT9 SP.. I know the 890R is the more focused machine but the Yam is close enough, more of an all rounder and I much prefer the MT09's engine note... looks :o, reliability and lower price. I'll be sure to check out the Z900 though, sounds like the engine is a real peach too.
@Snotroggel453 Жыл бұрын
@@paulhope3401 i have the ‘21 z900, ecu flashed with a full titanium sc project.. nothing is boring or ‘average’ about this terminator trust me😄 the sound of the bike sounds waaay better then any 3 cilinder too lol. Not to mention thats it’s an eye catcher.
@PaintedBlack-mi6wn Жыл бұрын
Yup. I agree with mine being a terminator as well. Got a 22 z900 se. Opened up that exhaust and put a dna filter. Ecu flash to come and it’s already a beast, turns plenty of heads. Also mine was 123 or 125 hp from the dealer. Never heard of this 108 situation.
@mathiashammar1 2 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown! i think there are a lot of readers that are searching for the intermediate priced best "bang for the buck" motorcycles. Well done.
@Sinister_fartbox Жыл бұрын
#yamaha
@papamichailang 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible line up... the hosts the different preferences they have really gave a good review!
@tejinderchatha1060 2 жыл бұрын
I waited more than 3 months for my MT09SP in Australia, finally received it yesterday, i was soo exited, i couldn't sleep the night before, i love the bike
@romanoffs976 2 жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes! R9 - we are waiting for this beast
@636theofthebeast8 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@TheDeceptikron 2 жыл бұрын
except it wont be a beast because it will weigh more than an MT09 and it wont have the bottom end to mid range that the MT09 has.
@JoeStanek-vu7rl 3 ай бұрын
2025...
@Owl-cj3fu Жыл бұрын
This feels like the kind of review that neatly illustrates why people shouldn't take professional reviews seriously. The Z900 got panned because it was "boring" but that's completely subjective. The BMW got panned too, but maybe a little more fairly, but it can be optioned up with stuff that's just not available on some other bikes. You've gotta ride the bike yourself and not just buy on a spec sheet.
@zhuoshiliu883 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing review, exactly what I’m looking for!
@gonzozil 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, guys. I am going to get a 2021 MT09. Stay safe and more power to you guys!
@indubitableafmf1759 2 жыл бұрын
You won't regret it. I have an all black one, fucking love it
@spoor24 Жыл бұрын
I just bought the 2022 MT09SP. Absolutely love it
@garyrayner6330 2 жыл бұрын
I Havnt even watched it yet but I know it’s going to be epic. Been waiting all year for this review.
@adamstratford6740 2 жыл бұрын
Same dude anything made by Troy is GOLD!!! Coming from the uk 🇬🇧 id absolutely love to go ride with these dude’s and make a review .
@TroySiahaan 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamstratford6740 My dude! Thanks as always!
@adamstratford6740 2 жыл бұрын
@@TroySiahaan you’re welcome bro 👍🏻👍🏻
@florme6494 2 жыл бұрын
That hurt, I love my z900 until I listened to this. Nah, I still love it!
@zack8819 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this channel loves everything I hate and hates everything I have loved. I have owned plenty of motorcycles and my opinion has always been opposite of theirs. I bought a Yamaha FJ-09 due to great reviews and it was the worse motorcycle ever and I owned a Honda VFR800 after and it was better even though it lost in the same comparison video. I knew this video was going to swing in Yamahas favor before it even started.
@wildbillslickdog 2 жыл бұрын
Mickey Mouse is something chose not to listen too. I am wondering how this grown child has been put in the position he is in.
@arielrosenthal_ 2 жыл бұрын
The z900 is my favorite here!
@frenchonion4595 2 жыл бұрын
@@zack8819 They are probably the worst motorcycle reviewer's on youtube to be honest. Just messy all over the place journalism
@chillgaming3197 2 жыл бұрын
Two of the guys had negative reviews about the ergonomics, but one said they were great. Body types are different so they should not have made ergonomics the basis of their review. It seemed like that was their only complaint, as long as you feel comfortable then it's a great bike.
@wowguy3562 9 ай бұрын
I would call myself a senior rider, and gave a huge amount of weight to your review of these bikes. I would say I have pretty much to this point 99.9% dual sport experience, with the exception of riding a buddies gold wing. I ended up buying a used 3rd gen mt09sp. Thank you guys for helping me make the decision, it was between the mt09sp and the z900. Excellent video
@jeffrt3893 2 жыл бұрын
I got one here in U.S.A.... a 2021 MT-09 SP. I actually flew to another state to get it and road it back. It is an AMAZING bike! I love rhe cruise control, and the Ohlins suspension is excellent. I broke it in right, going through all the gears, up and down, and did an oil change at 600 miles. The bike is fantastic!
@MrB590 2 жыл бұрын
Kawasaki is my pick
@toofastnobrakes 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I love my z900, favorite bike I’ve owned 🤷♂️
@spokplumpen123 2 жыл бұрын
I have one to. Great engine and fun to ride! Just tweak the suspension a bit and a set of Great tires thats it!
@Ali-mf7cg 2 жыл бұрын
@@spokplumpen123 just put a full sc-project exhaust system under that thing and trust me she won’t be ‘boring’ anymore 😅
@spokplumpen123 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ali-mf7cg thinking about exhaust and a ecu-flash. But i am getting old, dont like it to loud. But stock is to quiet..
@Ali-mf7cg 2 жыл бұрын
@@spokplumpen123 stock just sounds too feminine, like a happy bumble bee. You can also put a slip on instead of full system. Just take the db killer out and it will sound alot deeper and meaner. I put a full system on it last month and it is very loud, but it just puts a smile on my face every time when i rev it hard☄️ 😩 it adds so much character to that kawi it almost makes it necessary in some way..
@memereview5836 2 жыл бұрын
cope
@monkmoto1887 2 жыл бұрын
Yep Kawasaki is definitely being unfairly treated here
@mifili64 2 жыл бұрын
You know this is true when you hear "it lacks character"...
@machos 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they can't find words to why it's bad? 😑 I thought that was very dumb. The senior Editor spoke on why it's very good and they responded with we don't remember it so it's bad.
@Reapwhatsown 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is strange because in previous years it got first, and in many shootouts. I was surprised. I have a 2018, and I would not say it lacks character, I love the bike.
@dgordon4747 2 жыл бұрын
No character = works with no drama
@jeromeroy6899 2 жыл бұрын
I owned the 2017 model. level in terms of outright power and more torque pretty much everywhere than every other bike. Put a higher seat on it and it's way more comfortable with leg room. Engine is quiet but it might feel like it has more "soul" if you put a straight pipe on it. (slippons don't do much for sound). It is a fair bit cheaper than the other bikes too. (except BMW which is not even in the same class and should be compared with the middleweights in terms of power output). It isn't small and cramped at all if you get the higher seat. Can't compare it to the other bikes because I haven't ridden them but if the top 5 all had the same tyres the fastest bike would be the one with the best rider on it - meaning the difference in performance isn't that significant.
@greyanaroth 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 765RS 2019 but I was literally rooting for the yamaha. They blew this upgrade out of the park, listening to all the feedback over the years.
@andyl344 2 жыл бұрын
The Z900 gives you exactly what you want when you want it. I recently tested it against the S1000R and walked away thinking I'd take the Z nine out of ten times.
@ravenmoto5948 2 жыл бұрын
That's impressive
@michaeljohnson2922 2 жыл бұрын
Yamaha kills that Kawasaki in every category. Especially the SP.
@Snotroggel453 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljohnson2922 nah the mt09 has the looks that only a mother can love.. its hideous.
@Antonio_zx6r 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaeljohnson2922 no, it doesn’t. The Z900 is faster and has a higher top speed.
@barryvenison6803 2 жыл бұрын
Andy L The BMW S 1000 R is a fantastic bike .. I have not had the pleasure of riding a Z900 but given that I believe the BMW is a better bike and better value than the Aprilia Tuono V4 and MT-10 ( both of which I’ve spent lots of time on ) I struggle to believe that the Z900 is superior to the S 1000 R .. however all bikes are very subjective .
@kaykay8686 2 жыл бұрын
Love the tests you guys do! I'd like to offer an idea for future videos if I may: you should continue to do these Shoutout tests with experienced riders, but also do the exact same test again with novice riders - riders with a few years of riding experience only and with limited knowledge - and get their feedback. Rather than "find" the best bike, as that can be subjective in many cases, give information to viewers to make the purchasing process less difficult. Most riders are not well informed like you guys, and getting feedback from less experienced riders would offer even more information for serious buyers. Thanks again for the videos!
@1991julez 2 жыл бұрын
Great balanced video as always. Keep doing what you’re doing
@grahamhamilton7875 Жыл бұрын
Great commentary guys-no bullshit and nice relaxed delivery. I loved the riding footage too. Great roads for riding. I’d love to ride in some of those tunnels. Keep up the good work.
@oscarreyes2562 2 жыл бұрын
I dreamt about this comparo video for months, we are going thru an outstanding time in the motorcycle industry, some of the products coming out now got a remarkable upgrade compared to their previous model changes, from electronics to chasis to suspension, engine ….. A really difficult time to decide what motorcycle to get from those in the market!!!
@awesomesauce1400 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. And as one of the gentleman said, if you got the SP MT-09, it would have much better suspension and cruise control and still cost the same as the KTM. Great video guys!
@SirMountainpass Жыл бұрын
Spot on - and very reliable indeed - as opposed to the KTM😉🏁🏁
@pistolpete6321 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic comparison video!
@glenndeason 2 жыл бұрын
Such good information. Thank you for the breakdown.
@CorbinGoodwin 2 жыл бұрын
Literally right as I'm debating picking up one of these bikes and wishing for a comparo with the new monster... Motorcycle comes through! Thanks guys!
@num1sooner 2 жыл бұрын
Bought the new monster 2 weeks ago, funniest bike I’ve ever owned or ridden!!! Seriously if you’re pondering one GET IT😎
@TOMAHAWK813 2 жыл бұрын
@@num1sooner Hows the heat on your thigh like they mentioned in the video?
@HDsauce32 2 жыл бұрын
I love the smoothness of the z900 engine. All the power and it feels silky. Great bang for your buck
@alndi3 2 жыл бұрын
Great line-up fellas!
@sikolikhole Жыл бұрын
I bought the z900 because of this video. It's my daily, I love it, its more than enough bike for me. I go on 4 hour rides every other week. Its not until hour 3 start getting cramped. I'm 5'10" with long legs and longer arms.
@neoons 2 жыл бұрын
Great insights!
@mcmcmorris 2 жыл бұрын
They say the z900 has no character, but it looks similar to the others. Its way better looking then the street triple.
@andrewwillcox5252 2 жыл бұрын
Character is about the engine, not the looks. It’s an i4 which are generally a bit boring, not as exciting when just pulling back on the throttle…just a bit too smooth.
@mcmcmorris Жыл бұрын
@@andrewwillcox5252 traditional character is only about the looks and style. Thats why Harleys are considered the bikes with the highest character even though they are easily beaten on performance.
@andrewwillcox5252 Жыл бұрын
@@mcmcmorris yeah that’s not the character I’ve ever hear anyone ever talk about. In England I have never heard a Harley called anything but a bit shit, to be completely honest.
@mcmcmorris Жыл бұрын
@Andrew Willcox British, that makes a lot of sense.
@vincegunz 2 жыл бұрын
John is the best. Lol I really value his opinion and tend to lean towards his viewpoints on what issues are important.
@TheChewbaca69 Жыл бұрын
Glad you guys like my bike. Mt09 is sooooooooo dope. I love it and will keep it till she blows.
@user-lm5fd6rr5b 2 жыл бұрын
The Triumph Street Triple would be my pick. It ranks low in this class because it simply doesn't belong in this class… a 765cc triple has no business competing with 900cc bikes. But then again you buy a street triple not because it's a good 900cc bike, you buy it because it's a street triple.
@avrc9285 2 жыл бұрын
none of them is a bad pick if its for the right reasons .. certainly not however just because its a street triple IMO you should buy it cause it excites you when you ride it or when you look at it or cause it suits your "needs" etc .. not only the street triple but any bike. Also, either you like it or not it competes with the 800-900 cc bikes, because that is the category Triumph put it in (middle class naked) Displacement increased already from 675 a couple of years back, in a try to remain competitive as EU regulations on emissions where becoming tighter...My guess is that they could be increasing the displacement again (as they did it with speed triple). For what is worth, if i was buying a street triple, the latest SP would be the only model i would be considering, otherwise if you follow the "because its a street triple" approach, buy an older 675 one and save yourself lots of $'s for upgrades
@patthonsirilim5739 2 жыл бұрын
@@avrc9285 i think the lower spec one is deffinitly not the one to get the street triple rs is the one to get with its ohlins shock perfromance brembo and autoblip quickshifter suits the bike better when you strip the street triple of its bling there really no point in paying more for the bike then say a z900/mt09 bikes.
@Ghutton505 2 жыл бұрын
It makes the most power of the bunch! It's biggest downfall is it's relatively low torque specs, as they mentioned. They also say nothing about finish of the motorcycles. A Triumph has an overall nicer "feel" than a Yamaha and it's reflected in the price. Plus the Yamaha makes barely any more torque with a much larger motor
@dominee93 2 жыл бұрын
I understand the reason, it's a street triple And I think it can compete these 900 cc easily, cos of how it's rides, it's really light, steering so sharp and the engine is so smooth and the intake sound is fantastic And on the road you don't need the power and you don't need the tork, cos you use mostly a fraction and because you ride mostly with higher rev, the power and tork of the 3 cylinder engine makes it really smooth And for tork you use the speed triple, but a street triple rides better
@PMitchell106 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ghutton505 I'm surprised by the way they just glossed over everything but their emotional review of peak performance. Fit & finish completely unmentioned, brakes glossed over and not taken into serious consideration, likewise for suspension, electronics packages thought of as 'Yes or No' questions rather than comparing their performance, switchgear and instrumentation treated as somehow frivolous or unnecessary, ergonomics described arbitrarily rather than comparatively, and optional equipment never discussed. The MT-09 has an exciting power plant for sure, but it doesnt seem to outshine the others in any other way.
@Firestorm637 2 жыл бұрын
I like the new Ducati! Change is good!
@RobDaKid87 Жыл бұрын
I glad someone was thinking about the bikes from a daily ride through traffic and town perspective.
@CommieHunter7 2 жыл бұрын
When I'm truly shopping for a bike, I for sure read all the written articles and reviews. When I'm at work and I just want to hear motorcycles piped into my ears, I only do youtube reviews. :D
@Reapwhatsown 2 жыл бұрын
Not really sure how the Z900 is suddenly at the bottom here. A bit harsh. Same guys gave it tops a few years ago.
@mogthemoogle_160 2 жыл бұрын
It hasn't had much in the way of updates in a while, but it's still a great bike.
@adamk116 2 жыл бұрын
Look at the updates on the Yamaha and KTM from a couple years ago. I love Kawasaki, but they need to keep up in this sector.
@sleeper.simulant7327 2 жыл бұрын
The most current Z900 is much better in terms of tech per $ spent. Plus it’s faster then the MT09
@Snotroggel453 Жыл бұрын
@@adamk116 i have a z900, the last thing thats on my mind when i ride are all these electronics lol..
@MrYashwant1991 2 жыл бұрын
Z900 wins for most of us...most VFM...and Japanese so reliable and cheap to maintain, more power ...soo
@hectorohh Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, planning on picking up the 2023 mt09 sp when they come out!
@corvinlord 2 жыл бұрын
Great work!
@S4NY4RKuRDBoZZ 2 жыл бұрын
The Kawasaki Z900 is still good for its price
@jayrock497 2 жыл бұрын
Wowzer, these dudes really hating on the Z900 !
@Baste_Bastesen 2 жыл бұрын
Bougth a Z900 (2017), in 2018, best bike for me. 69.000 km so far, no prob at all. Like the KTM 890 Duke, maybe thats my next bike.
@roKr55 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@sensocaredelhi2292 2 жыл бұрын
Coz it's not the updated version with TFT dash and all led. They are using the previous generation
@cozme28 2 жыл бұрын
but somebody said something nice about it, he said it has a "smooth engine"
@marcz9482 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 2017 no driver aids. Just you and the bike, just like it should be.
@lexingtonconcord8751 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic review boys 👌🏻🙂
@marks938 5 ай бұрын
First time watching you guys, impressive video. I'm in the market for a mid range motorcycle and the Yamaha MT09 is now at the top of the list. Greetings for Victoria, Australia.
@zubtubetube 2 жыл бұрын
Kawasaki z900 ❤️❤️❤️😍
@markfs 2 жыл бұрын
I keep hearing reliability issues with KTM and problems with transmissions and then with the Ducatis it's heat, which is glossed over with the scrambler too. But these guys prefer these kind of bikes to the ones that just work, which might be okay for them because they test a bike and then it's on to the next one. So bike testing becomes more of a show-pony event than a consideration of what might be best for someone who buys a bike and rides it everyday for 4 or 5 years. The reviews are entertaining though, just not that relevant unless you've got 4 bikes in the shed and can pick one to ride depending on your mood
@mickeyroberts77777 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video guys!
@rolan2dr 2 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@drewmorg. 2 жыл бұрын
Middlweight Adv Sport Tourer's next please!! Finally Shootouts are back!!
@redsox418 2 жыл бұрын
For $9399 you get a 6-axis IMU, quick shifter up/down, TFT display, 417 lbs wet weight, torquey/great sounding triple engine, radial master cylinder and more. All wrapped up with Japanese quality and reliability. Nothing can top the MT-09 for the price. I know the headlight is pretty polarizing but don't have to worry about how it looks when you're riding and it's a great headlight for actual light output.
@sleeper.simulant7327 2 жыл бұрын
And terrible, pogo-stick-like suspension in the MT09. Also, I think you mean radial calipers, not master cylinder… typical of cheap Yamahas, stellar engine wrapped in a crappy chassis
@redsox418 2 жыл бұрын
@@sleeper.simulant7327 aw where did Yamaha hurt you? you’re free to change the suspension. You’ll probably still be under the price of the triumph.
@RaijinTheThunder 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a new bike this year, but will definitely buy another if Yamaha makes an R9
@verenchook 2 жыл бұрын
I ride 790 duke. Oh my, what a bike. love it. I love the looks of z900. Probably need to ride one to feel the difference.
@512mbflashdrive 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I picked up a naked as my first bike but I'm ready for some wind protection 😌
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes an inexpensive bar-mounted windscreen can make a big difference. Just be aware that a 'universal" one may need a little bit of trimming to fit around the headlight and turnsignals.
@iodineclip 2 жыл бұрын
i want to see some drag race just to have an idea how each of them compares.
@rzu7120 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@peebeeking3587 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for great rewiev
@timbakker7248 2 жыл бұрын
So Ive not even finished watching the video and Troy is already bashing the BMW F900R whilst he preferred it over the Kawasaki Z900 in the 1v1 comparison video on this channel? How does this make sense?
@woodworking4459 2 жыл бұрын
I did ride triple rs, mt 09, z900. I liked the suspension triple rs, but I understood the price was too high. I liked the design mt09 and quickshiftter, but I wouldn’t say I liked the traction control and response of high rpm. I felt much safer at z900 in high rpm and stable response, but z900 has no quick shifter. I bought Z900, and I installed the quickshiftter. In my opinion, price, stability, reliability, Z900 is better, but all bikes are fantastic.
@578_ Жыл бұрын
Was it tough installing said qs? And what one did you get? I got the 22’ z900 and I love it
@woodworking4459 Жыл бұрын
@@578_ I installed healtech. You can do by yourself, it is easy, you can watch videos on KZfaq showing how to install it. I am so happy with my z900 and quickshiftter. Because I do understand that the traction control is perfect
@578_ Жыл бұрын
@@woodworking4459 ok cool thanks again man! Yea me too love the z9!
@DB-sd3cw Жыл бұрын
You bought the most boring bike lol
@578_ Жыл бұрын
@@DB-sd3cw unfortunately I’m not a millionaire and it’s the best bang for my buck after buying a house for 150k. I can go 150mph for 10k I’ll take it
@Firestorm637 2 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@bensutherland6871 Жыл бұрын
Great review this is my favorite class of bikes have owned several and love them all the most fun I've ever had has been on the yamaha it's a hooligan machine only 😀
@DarthVader-1701 2 жыл бұрын
The FZ-09's headlight looks like the TNG phaser emitter.
@user-lm5fd6rr5b 2 жыл бұрын
"The word 'agricultural' just kept popping up in my head." 😂😂😂 brutal
@Thejamlife2415 2 жыл бұрын
Well, this is it. You absolutely motivated me even more to buy my dream bike. 09 baby!
@Sanxter211 6 ай бұрын
I love my 2021 Z900!
@johnridesadv2512 2 жыл бұрын
Great test guys.... and you seemed to rank them sorta the way I envisioned these bikes. Love that KTM, but I think I'd pick the Yamaha overall myself. Have an XSR900 and the triple is gotta be one of the best engines on the market. I'm really leaning towards ordering an MT09 SP, but I've heard from my local dealer it could be early next year before I get one.
@Thunder-vm2ug 2 жыл бұрын
Yes its a long wait. I got extremely lucky and found one that the dealer i called wasn’t even aware they had just received at their warehouse so of course that meant i was the first to inquire about it and it was mine! I legit had soooo many windows open on my computer everyday and just kept refreshing nonstop til it showed and I immediately called! With that said, definitely get one i love mine!!
@Cowboy.underwater 2 жыл бұрын
I think I'm going to hold onto my current XSR900 untill I can buy an xsr900sp here in the states.
@ragerider6283 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice vid & review, although if I'm being (unfairly) super picky, I was hoping for an MV Agusta Brutale or Dragster Rosso (to keep the price vaguely comparable) as a wildcard.
@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist 2 жыл бұрын
MV couldn’t provide us with a bike.
@ragerider6283 2 жыл бұрын
@@EvansBrasfieldMotojournalist That doesn't surprise me at all lol. Thanks for the reply. Appreciate it.
@tylertbirch 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review guys, thanks for your service!
@ballzmckgee3167 2 жыл бұрын
2022 mt-09 and I love everything about it..
@jaiminpatel5700 2 жыл бұрын
A new video for comparing MT-09 SP VS Street Triple RS !!
@wirenut3020 2 жыл бұрын
Or MT-09 Sp vs KTM 890 Duke R
@cp4512 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that each reviewer has very different opinions on each bike. There isn’t a best bike here, this just shows that the key thing is try the bikes yourself to pick the best bike for you as a rider (not the best bike for a random journalist rider and their needs). However, I still really enjoyed this review!
@walterjohnson2031 8 ай бұрын
I have had the opportunity to ride 4 of the six bikes tested here. I personally feel you guys were mostly on the money in your evaluation and fair. Each of these bikes are focused to either track, sport and some track or lower price daily riders intended for brand loyal/ first time buyers. The winner MT09 is unusual in that it isn’t an over priced exotic or a track focus primarily bike. I finally bought a 2022 MT09 and have found it to be the best in many ways. Price for what you get in a motorcycle makes the MT09 winner. Then you find on track it will stay with the big dollar exotics with non pro riders on board. I find it works perfectly as a commuter/ even in town. It does a fair job as a sport touring motorcycle because of riding position. What you wind up with in a MT09 is a very good do everything bike at a fair price point. I might mention after market support is excellent for whatever mods you wish to tailor your MT09 to do. The looks will grow on you!!
@Mr7O5 5 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see how the 2024 mt09 stacks up
@viperq 2 жыл бұрын
2021 MT09 is a fantastic midweight, but I really don't like the design. Duke 890 is my top pick.
@jeffie0 2 жыл бұрын
Man, when counting down bikes based on the spec sheet, make sure you got the spec sheets right.
@chaoshimura89 2 жыл бұрын
Tq for keep doing these shoot out...
@durgeshnagaraj7863 2 жыл бұрын
Monster looks fab
@jieme6397 2 жыл бұрын
Dont get how with so much more power the kwack is forget able, it smokes the bmw,triumph,mt i love it
@elvisthewart670 2 жыл бұрын
They was wrong on the horsepower the 21 model z900 has 125bhp
@PMitchell106 2 жыл бұрын
@@elvisthewart670 They are quoting measured rear-wheel horsepower, not manufacturer spec crank horsepower. They should be more explicit about this in their presentation, the rest of their comments are a bit too sloppy to take their pseudo-objective ranking seriously.
@TheAsheybabe89 2 жыл бұрын
A channel on KZfaq called full gas has videos of a Z900 gapping all kinds of things through a quarter including an MT 10. It even pulled on a Duke 1290 R until wind made the power difference apparent at around 100mph and the duke passed it.
@shittywheelies7403 2 жыл бұрын
There is a lot more to a motorcycle than power
@mathiashammar1 2 жыл бұрын
Z900 is deceptive "sleeper" and best bike if you like smooth and fast with long range. Like 20:10 praise the lowdown torgue of Ducati. But 16:49 shows the truth its down by alot vs Kawasaki. 1.MT-09(SP), 2.Z900, 3.Triumph, 4.KTM, 5.Ducati, 6. BMW
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, a smooth torque curve is now seen as "boring" by many (like some of the testers). A bump in the torque curve that causes a sudden increase in power is often viewed as providing "character," even if it results in slower overall acceleration.
@johnburns8956 2 жыл бұрын
@@jfess1911 Z900 motor is the winnah here, tied for most torque and for most horsepower too, at only 9600 rpm... alas...
@neilrusso1753 2 жыл бұрын
Love John!
@yungmo513 2 жыл бұрын
The Z900, the missionary position of this shoot out 😆. Glad I have the gen2 mt09sp.
@kenross9026 2 жыл бұрын
Great review guys , gotta say I had the 2019 Mt09 and definitely loved great torque . Hooligan feel to it , but then I rode the 2020 Z 900 and hands down blew away the MT 09 . Again just my opi ion felt like I was part of the bike and way more confidence for me personally. Felt like I was gonna fall over the front of The Yamaha. Z 900 was way smoother and way better power delivery. Have not ridden any of the others but would like to.I suppose if the bike has a proper setup for the rider it would make all the difference.
@brianpeterson9290 2 жыл бұрын
Different strokes...but speaking as someone who's always been an inline-4 guy, I feel like a lot of the apparent journalistic bias against them now is just because they were the standard for so long.
@Adamn58 2 жыл бұрын
Currently own a 2020 Z900. It’s been a fantastic bike. I’ve actually enjoyed it so much I’m in the process of upgrading to the ZH2. Kawi really won me over with the Z line. I was an MT die hard but damn the Zs are phenomenal.
@kenross9026 2 жыл бұрын
@@Adamn58 yeah buying the z900 . Super fun and smooth
@Adamn58 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenross9026 I highly recommend tuning the bike. Kawi has a restriction flash on it that mutes the top end. After my full system and flash it has a top end rush like no other middleweight naked I’ve rode.
@kenross9026 2 жыл бұрын
@@Adamn58 yeah I have 2 friends that own them and both had it flashed, said it made a huge difference . Very glad to see they did away with the old screen and went to the tft they have now. Very fun bike. Zh2 looks crazy fast
@Krom1hell 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, what? my Z900 has 126 hp stock :)).....probably we have better fuel or something is wrong. I find that the Z900 is the limmo of the bunch, if you set it up decent enough, it's so smooth.
@marcz9482 2 жыл бұрын
They said 108 up, all wrong brother, we have 126!💪🏼
@briananderson2219 2 жыл бұрын
No denying which of these bags you choose if you have a good local dealer, that is the clear choice
@adamk116 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Yamaha and KTM, and I don’t love the look of either. 2022 XSR900 for me. Best look and longer stance than the MT09 Sibling. The perfect bike.
@mtdew992 2 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is an R9 wouldve made a lot more sense as an R6 replacement than the R7 did too
@elianderson3956 2 жыл бұрын
My 2018 z900 is the best bike I’ve ever owned
@mrzeke4413 2 жыл бұрын
How many bikes have you owned?
@elianderson3956 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrzeke4413 cbr 400, sv650, Honda shadow 1100, klx 230, r6 and now my z900
@Dranreb865 2 жыл бұрын
@@elianderson3956 no chaaaneeese scooter?!
@elianderson3956 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dranreb865 shit lmao I did have a shitty Tao tao 125 cc dirt bike🤣
@radicalkonrad765 Жыл бұрын
Picking up a street triple in a week, an upgrade fron my gsxr 600 id say, i personally like that its basically a naked super sport and not like the rest of these bikes plus the looks are by far the best imo
@patricksandeberg8184 2 жыл бұрын
Great review as always👌🏽! And! For the first time I got 1st to last place right. 🤙🏽😉
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
"Don't get cocky, Kid" - Han Solo :^)
@patricksandeberg8184 2 жыл бұрын
@@jfess1911 😂
@JohnRidesMx 2 жыл бұрын
What a line up 👍🏼 And such a shame the BMW motor, cause it looks great…
@chirag4 2 жыл бұрын
German Bike but Chinese Motor (Loncin Holdings, Ltd.) ? YES
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
To put into perspective though, it is still lighter and more powerful than the 1970's superbikes like the Z1 R that I lusted after as a teenager.
@shrijanaryal4923 2 жыл бұрын
Also the weight on that bmw is a bit too much
@THEREALZENFORCE 2 жыл бұрын
In Europe the F900R has 105hp not 85hp, optional heated grips and electronic suspension and other stuff. And the next year model could have the maintenance free M endurance chain, the same they have optional on the S1000R and S1000XR.
@jfess1911 2 жыл бұрын
@@THEREALZENFORCE It looks like we got the A2-capable version, which is limited to 70kw (94hp) at the crank (80-something at rear wheel). These can be "restricted" to the 35kw A2 standard in the EU and UK for people with restricted motorcycle licensees, then "un-restricted " to full power later.
@cliveomahoney4096 2 жыл бұрын
That was a pretty comprehensive test of the bikes. When I read the reviews on your website, I'll expect to see affordablility: insurance and servicing costs - which, in the UK, vary a lot and reliability. Which, with a KTM on one side and Kawa and Yam on the other (good side) will be all the things that potential buyers need to know. I'm so tempted to get the MT. Fortunately, there are none around at the moment.
@Ninja-zl1vu 2 жыл бұрын
Mt09 and z900 best duo
@jeehill9592 2 жыл бұрын
MT09 baaaaabyyyyy!!!!
@puneetsehgal8200 2 жыл бұрын
I have a BMW for a year now. And I love bikes. The way it looks, sound and power delivery is adequate for me. I guess in the end it all comes to personal preference and requirements. Most of the reviews I see are mostly focused on speed and horse power. I believe bikes are more than that. It all count what particular person want and what are there requirements and experience are. All things matter The way bike looks, the sitting, comfortable, handling, built quality, safety features and so on and all these work differently for different people. Having 10-15 bhp less or more doesn't make the bike bad or better. Plus if numbers are higher but you are getting those power at 9000 rpm whats the point for that power in city ride. Also in another comparison between Z900 and F900R one of the journalists praised the F900R and took the F900R over the Z900. So reviews are a good reference and getting better understanding and knowing what is out there. But you have to test ride the bike before making the decision. You may go for the z900 test Ride and after that you don't want to try anything because it is giving everything you were looking for. It happened to me with Suzuki Gladius. I had a test ride book for Ducati Monster but I didn't bother to go after testing Gladius. And one time I just went with my gut feeling for the z800 no test ride no reviews just bought the bike.
@ALIARSIWALA 2 жыл бұрын
Bro stop trying to convince yourself the bmw sucks. Having 10-15 bhp yes its true doesnt mean alot but its an important factor and more is always better. U writing this comment makes u look like a butt hurt bmw bitch
@ajojoseph6052 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, valid even for casual sports naked riders. I gave up my 18 S-Triple and was looking for a naked. This was perfect timing. Sad to see the Triumph dethroned but Yamaha has pushed so much ahead. And pricing is much lower.
@lovelessissimo 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the Street Triple a naked?
@ajojoseph6052 2 жыл бұрын
@@lovelessissimo I would say it is was one of the best until the 21 MT09 came along. I gave up the triple to focus on long distance. Love to have a MT in my garage.
@lovelessissimo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajojoseph6052 It's a great bike, no doubt. Cruise, QS, the triple, the price, reliable, comfy, but goddamn it is the ugliest duck on the pond. If it looked just a tiny bit less like a generic search of what a bike should look like, maybe take a page out of the Italian design book, they would break sales records. Sad to admit that looks matter, but in a competitive segment like this, they do. 🤷♂️
@ajojoseph6052 2 жыл бұрын
@@lovelessissimo I have to fully agree the design is quirky. But info from inside sources say, the designers were given a clear mandate to go after a "dark side of Japan" theme and not emulate Italian or British design cues. And it shows... The unfinished headlamp, exposed electrical exhaust all scream raw, dark, aggressiveness. I dont think Yamaha has done much to market the design theme.
@lovelessissimo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajojoseph6052 The most positive thing I have read about it is that it is "polarizing", however, I have only read about the negative polarization, and never the contrary. I am all in favor of different looking motorcycles (there is only so much one can do with two wheels and a frame), but the side profile of the MT09 looks like a Clipart motorcycle. As plain as one could possibly make a design. About as eye catching as a rental car. And the one part, the front, they thought to make different looks even more plain than it did before.
@ktmdukenz Жыл бұрын
Old fellow had the best take on all these bikes.
@z2001NZ 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't hear about the R9 first been wishing for one for years!!!!!!!
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