Great video man! Btw if I buy a new Razer Raion how do I make 100% sure it's the new updated version? I just don't wanna buy one that seems new but is actually the previous version

Superb music choice, articulate individual reviews, great diversity and tips. Well done! Thank you! Liked and subbed

Awesome in-depth comparison, thanks for taking the time to put this together and share your thoughts and experience, really helpful stuff!

Thank you for taking the time making this, and highlighting a lot of issues I think these controllers have had over the years. I really like the fight commander but when kof15 came out out it really highlighted all the issues that I never really noticed playing Street fighter 5 or strive that I could not be as precise as I needed to be. I understand that short hops and hyper hops are high precision moves but I was always one frame off of getting the input and I was totally inconsistent in high stress situations. I'll try the razor controller you recommend it only because of how detailed you were about the other controllers so I know you know what you're talking about.

Great video. I collect and play/test and design controllers. Seeing your breakdown and use cases of the controllers was great and well thought out for your needs. I love seeing that individuality.

Amazing review. Top notch logic and presentation. Super in-depth. Amazing work man

Right on! Really thorough review and easy-to-follow thoughts on each.

Been looking for something like this for a long long time, great video!

this video is easily the best ive ever seen regarding pads. props to you man

Your attention to detail makes you _very_ well-suited for creating a successful youtube channel! I learned a LOT, and hope you get all the positive attention you deserve❣✨

Thank you for putting this video together man!

Amazing review, also highlighting the diagonal input is good since these inputs define whether a controller is truly worth it

Awesome vid! Thanks for the feedback on these peripherals!

I'm not even done with the video yet but I already know you did an amazing job after watching the first few minutes. We are literally the same when it comes to these pads. I prefer the Hori FC4 but the terrible durability and the price has caused me to endure learning fightstick until a truly good pad of quality comes out that doesn't die that's also worth investing in. Well done on this video!! I look forward to your future videos.

Solid info on the Razer Raion. Nice video.

The first video where someone has the same problem as I do. Very helpful. Thank you 🎉

Thanks man! I ordered a new Raion very excited for it to come!

This vid was stellar man. Keep it up.

Omg I super appreciate you doing this video! I have the same problem with the d pad on my ps4 controllers too!

I am actually looking for a ps4/pc fightpad and your video helps me a lot! Thank you

Thankfs for uploading this review vid. You really helped sell me on the Hori Octa, I have heavy hands and my Hori Fighting commander Pro is almost dead so was looking for a replacement. I also play with the tip of my thumb rather than the centre so I shouldn't have those issues with the light touch.

Thanks for the great video! I tend to press really lightly on the D-pad and triggers but heavier on the main buttons, so the Raion sounds perfect if I understood you right.

You're definitely right about the Hori Pad. I just picked up the New Hori Fight Commander Octa. Great Pad. Definitely gotta break it Down and tweak the pad function.

Great video man

The big thing in the Octa's favor is the gated analog stick. Players like Broski, DrDannyPham, and GGPOGrayson use the analog stick as their main movement option despite its limitations on OEM controllers. The Octa directly addresses alot of those issues by having short travel to the gate, and by having an octogate where each of the 8 directions in a traditional fighting game is notched. This removes uncertainty when it comes to blocking low or hitting DPs, which is quite nice for players who prefer to play on analog. That being said, yeah, the pad's quite a step down from the fighting commander last generation, and it's disappointing they stopped making ps4 FCs.

Definitely feeling more confident in getting a new Razer Raion now that they have pivots! I’ve been wearing out several PS4 pads. This will be a step up.

Great video, very useful!

Raion user here!! This video is great and informative

Excellent quality and great 's authentic and genuine! I love this 100% effective method for this game so unique and for sharing.

Thanks man helpful video

octa thumbstick should not be overlooked, it is an incredible stick, the feedback from the octa gate just feels good.

Your finger speed and input accuracy is really impressive, precise and no button mashing...lol

You saved my money. Thank you!

I've played with Logitech f310 for a bit and I think ps3 betop's dpad are constructed the same. I've also had that missed input feeling months after. There is a short adjustable stick encased with a spring connecting the outer dpad to a piece making contact to the membrane inside. I've adjusted that spring (resistance) to fix it. Maybe take a peak inside?

Very helpful. Thanks

Your so detailed ! SUBBED

about the hori d pad there is a programm on the pc in which you can customize the sensitivity for the dpad so you dont have to put much effort on doing inputs since its precise keep that in mind

I've noticed the gap in the middle of the d-pad makes a huge difference. I would not use any controller without a gap like the ps4 d-pad cause I can't wavedash superfast in tekken on any other types of controller. the gap actually helps me go back to neutral. when I used the fighting commander I couldn't swipe the d-pad as fast as I can like I do on the playstation controller and I always get misinputs

Gotta respect us pad players we can play on literally anything. There are some people that use the switch pro controller D-pad and that thing is extremely sensitive.

Heyy! just ordered a Fighting commander octa. Since I only really play Street Fighter and the odd anime game (dbfz & gbvs) I'm not really worried about the jump issue you were describing. I've never used a 6-face-button controller so I'm a little worried about that, but I'm sure it won't take long to get acclimated to. Really excited to get it this Tuesday. Thanks so much for the video and your review! Hard to find good pad reviews that focus on fighting games

Damn if only you made this before i bought the Hori fighting Commander Octa. Same issues.

After watching this video I was able to make a deduction, thank you brother !

For Dualshock down / down back issue, its because if you press harder, that's mean you are hitting the edge of down d-pad, if you press sightly on the edge of each side, you may notice it can gives you down back or down forward according to the side's edge. Test on Windows controller settings, you will figure it out I think Dualshock is more adapted to people who dont press too hard, moreover the d-pad is very soft if you compare to others, i also use the tip of my thumbs, it might help in order to prevent accidental down-back input instead of down.

i like the kirby nes music in the beginning intro

this is a great video, seriously good production quality! do you think that your opinions would be different if you used the edge of your thumb to do the inputs?

Hori made a fighting comander for the switch that is identical to the 4. It works on PC.

Right on brother right on

You deserve more subs.

great vid, I have the betop thorn... it's pretty good for a cheapie... still can't get supers on sf6 but i'm new so I suck

This was a dope video. I actually picked up the Hori PS5 fighting pad cause the D pad on my PS4 was absolutely destroyed and I knew if I got another ds4... Same shit was gonna happen so I decided to try the Hori and I've actually been liking it and man I'm able to finally pull off the half circle forward movements in Strive alot better. The only other problem I have with this controller is I'm not a fan of the way the d-pad is... But it's way better then what I was doing before and I'm actually used to it, I was having a issue of getting my quarter circles right, but the second I took a 3 day break from fighting games, boom not an issue anymore so it was probably a me thing. I think the DS4 is still better for me buuut I've gotten really used to be Hori pad and will be sticking with it for a while. Anime fighters have been pretty good for me, still struggle sometimes with the air dashes but with time my execution hopefully gets better. I'm still a scrub at fighting games that moved on from Super scrub to just scrub. Recently got to floor 10 with Chipp, doesn't mean too much but I'll take that little victory lol. Thanks for the video and sorry for the long rant lol

I currently use a Dual shock 4 but I've separated the dpad buttons into individual pieces. It definitely increases accuracy but in general, the controller still hurts the fingers during and after long sessions. If you actually like using the ds4 I suggest doing the same if you're having issues with directional accuracy

Awesome 👌 respect

thanks a lot for this video. I've been looking to upgrade my logitech f310 (oh yeah, I've been playing with this bad boy for a decade now, lol). I'm looking for opinion on the hori fighting commander but it seems won't be good for strive

Wow. I actually have These controllers. Except the Xbox pad and the PS3 pad. Great Video bro.

I love the Razor Raion, bought 2 refurbished pads at 30 each.

Hey, you mentioned on your betop review that you can change the shoulder buttons to L3 and R3. How did you do that? I could only switch the L2 and R2 with the L1 and R1 shoulder buttons.

thanks a lot i was tempted to replace my old fighting commander with a raion turn out im going to just buy again the same controller , fun fact for me it is the button on my hori that went dead first

woah, you're using the dpad with your middle middle phalanx or, like, with a space between the phalanx; didn't think about doing it that way, im just rocking the dpad with the tip of my thumb

Do you think the commander octa can be broken in at least a bit beforehand? Maybe spending a day or two just doing a bunch of directional and 360s

That betop reminds me of the madcatz fight pads back in the ps3/xbox 360 days...

If I have issues with the Fighting commander 4 where i'm trying to hold back but if I ever so slightly have my thumb on the bottom part of the left dpad I crouch block instead and eat an overhead when i reacted to it. If I have issues with that would the fighting commander octa be a good fit you think? maybe i just have a heavy hand

what i did to get short hops on dbfz is make every direction harder to push on the dpad but let up be easy to push. So when i brush it i can do small hops

Thank you for the nice video. What’s the best d pad for fff2 (Dragunov for example) ?

After watching I decided to get the Hori Fighting Commander! I managed to find one for Switch for 30 bucks since I play on PC mostly, I did find one for PS4 but I think it was going to take about 2 weeks to get here...

Is there any way to know if the Razer raion that I would buy is with or without pivot? Can i know if I have revised version. At 70$ uSD it seems high risk for me to buy the bad dpad accidentally

The betop Thirn looks nearly identical to the first sf4 style mad catz fightpads that came out on 360 and PS3 and since its from aliexpress I would not be surprised if it is a replica of it. That being said those Mad Catz fightpads were some of the best and I still use mine. Great detailed breakdown btw.

I'm really impressed with the Betop controller. I ended up buying one, I hope it lasts. I play on a 8bitdo M30 but it is a bit too small.

for the PS5 Hori Fighting Octa ive had a hard time pressing down back sometimes it just stops holding it down and i get hit guarding, any tips?

You might consider picking up a dpad from battle beaver for dual shock 4. It’s basically four individual buttons that replace the single piece dpad. Just got mine in today, not sure how I feel about it yet. It’s definitely more precise but I think that precision might take some getting used to.

My biggest gripe with the Razer Raion are the buttons. I hate how mushy they feel. I don't press hard on buttons so when I tap on them the inputs might not register. I believe it's supposed to mimic fightstick buttons, which is something claw players might enjoy. Otherwise, for thumb, they're the worst feeling buttons out of any fightpad I've used. I'm currently using the octa. Buttons feel great, though the pad is overly stiff. Will continue to use in hopes that I could loosen it up. Just ordered the betop controller and I'm looking forward to trying that one out.

2:50 its def the way you use your thumb. I get issues with that as well but i used the tip of my thumb(i bend it at the knuckle to play. Every ps4 pad has some sort of like zone where d to df inputs kinda are overlapped. i more so saying sometimes a controller will only register down for a very precise section of the dpad. like a little sliver

Where can i find that app to change the sensitivity on the dpad??? Can't find it for that hori ps5 octa. Is the settings at max when you open the app

Dude your execution is insane!

I'm having the same issue with the dpad diagonals my fighting commander octa but worse. I play street fighter 6 and drop simple quarter circle motions since only d, f is registered instead of d, df, f.

Literally never heard of the Betop Thorn, but I just ordered one. For $25 USD why not give it a shot.

How would you rate the MadCatz Fightpad for SF4 and WWE brawl starz? The brawl pad compared to these especially the fighting commander 4 and betop

the replacement dpad for betop is good for driving games or plane games requires alot of movement which helps

ive used a few controllers with that cross cap alternative thats featured in the Betop (I actually own a betop and I now have to see if the box came with that cap). But the other controllers that look more like a standard ps2, I prefer that feel over the traditional plus cap. i dunno the ergonomics of that cap lets my brain know exactly where my thumb is and for some reason the plus design one , i over shoot or under shoot the movement. Id say try that cap out with the half circles. but then again, the fact you use the meat part of your thumb might yield way different results than me as i use my thumb pad and thrum tip.

Great video. I purchased the Hori Fighting Commander for PS4 exclusively for Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown, and love it. Small gripes with it are the smallish L1/L2/R1/R2 buttons and lack of L3/R3 obviously due to lack of analogue sticks (somewhat rectified with that neat switch) but for using it in Dojo Mode for VF quick resetting characters isn't quick anymore due to having to manually toggling on and off again, lest your triggers maps be left rearranged. Not a deal breaker as it can withstand my punishment and I'm a big fan of the slightly larger buttons. I've personally ruined 2 DualShock 4 d-pads on VF and it's definitely Sony cheaping out with their systems over the years (having repaired numerous DS2, DS3 and DS4 pads, I've seen the degradation - those rubbers on the launch DS4s, ew!) Hopefully the new customisable DualSense Sony announced rival Microsoft's premium controller keeps us fighting fans in mind.

8bitdo makes a great Sega Saturn controller. Only issue is that it only has 2 shoulder buttons instead of 4.

Hey man, great review. Was wondering if also you had the chance of trying out the retrobit sega genesis or saturn style controllers? They look very promising.

Hey does anyone have any idea how to use a fight pad, I’m thinking it’s like a normal fight stick or a hit box but then I see this guy use it like a normal controller and that got me confused and thinking I’m using it wrong?

Did you by any chance try the switch Hori Fighting Commander? I only have a PC and Switch and I'm wondering if theres much of a difference compared to the PS4 version

I’m debating between the Hori fighting commander and the betop thorn shadow. How do they compare in your experience and which would you recommend? Thanks in advance.

Learned about the raion pad mod and i stopped using it completely knowing a new version came out with the fixed middle pivot. Ill try modding mine today see how that madness goes

i had no idea the razer raion now has a pivot. im super disappointed because i enjoy playing on it and the one i have doesn't have one. I don't really wanna go out to find one but I'll definitely consider it if I go back to pad.

With the ps4 razor raion controller is it easy to jump command grabs with ?

About the DS4 you must open it and paint a little bit with a pencil the pressure points on the Foil. And Viola! The DS4 is more sensitive.

My Hori FC4 is on its last legs and I also didn't want to pay double to replace it. The Raion looks good, but I have a bad history with Razer products breaking.

Great video, though I wonder how these controllers fare with each other when doing charge motions...

I don't know if maybe I received a defective controller or something, but I had a huge issue with my PS4 FC4 regularly dropping down and diagonal inputs. In KoF I was always sweating bullets every time I did a QC or HC motion, and hops would only register about 1/3 of the time.

I think the series x dpads is perfect. Nothing beats the tactile feedback it gives you. If you goof up a input, you’ll feel it and know what to correct.

Awesome review! I used to play with a ps4 analog stick (yes i know im weird lol) because i despise using dpads, and for a little while I was actually using the raion by hot gluing a n64 thumbstick onto the dpad to use it like a pseudo arcade stick which was perfect until the rubber membrane started to wear down. Now im looking for a new controller and the hori octa looks super promising with its analog stick having notches and being stiffer/less loose than a typical analog stick which seems perfect for me. Also i wasnt a huge fan of the buttons on the raion, I get that it's supposed to be mimicking an arcade stick but I never really liked the mushiness/zero feedback from them, especially as a non claw user. I definitely would prefer some clicky/tactile buttons and the octa ones look great, even the placement/size of the buttons seem more suited to using it like a standard controller. So all in all I think im gonna go for the octa since most of the complaints i see are for the dpad, tho hopefully i'll have better luck with the triggers since that's another common complaint i see, btw have you ever had an issue with your octa triggers?

Sorry if you keep getting bugged about this video (thank you btw, I love how detailed you were about it) but it seems like after a few months the Razer Raion seems to deteriorate quickly? Such as double taps or ghost inputs. Also I can't find conclusive information about it, but some people say the Fighting commander OCTA has software updates that address diagonals now? How do you feel about both of these after 7 months? Do you still use either?

what do you think about the size? I love the XBOX series X d-pad so im looking for something similar, wolverine razer controller is way too big, what about the size of this Raion?

I don't understand what you mean by pivot. Any image link with pivot vs without?

I've been looking into getting an actual fight pad, tried using arcade sticks but it just doesn't work for me; I'm too use to using controllers 😅 I play mostly on Steam/PC, and ended up getting a Retrobit Sega Saturn controller for the fighting games. I love the d-pad on that controller! I am looking into that Hori Fighting Commander as well

i'm trying to preemptively look for a replacement for my hori fc4 because of the durability issues people are mentioning and the razer raion sounds perfect, but damn razer doesn't even have it listed on the north american versions of their site and amazon is a bust. did they stop making them or something?

The PS4 Era Hori Fighting commander, is the best fight pad of all time and it's a damn shame they stopped producing it the Dpad is legendary. Amazing bang for your buck back in the day, it was 60$ and now it's over 100-200-300$ for a new one in some places these days. smh.

The madkatz street fighter, and wrestling controllers for ps3 and Xbox 360 are the best fighting I’m buying one of those with a converter.