2022 Honda CRF250 VS 2021 Honda CRF250 - This Week in MXA Episode 36

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The 2022 Honda CRF250 is the most updated bike of the 2022 season and in This Week in MXA episode #36, we put the new bike to the test against last year's model. In a year when most motorcycle manufacturers stuck to their guns with small updates, Honda completely revamped it's CRF250 to match the updates the CRF450 gained in 2021-baring the hydraulic clutch actuation. The new CRF250 has dropped weight, it has dropped the dual muffler design for a single muffler, it has the new 450 frame, 10-millimeter longer forks, a new shock with the clicker adjusters on the right side instead of left, the upside air filter with increased air capacity in the airbox, a new engine, new bodywork, new mapping and more.
Most notably, the power curve has changed on the CRF250. The 2021 model was an all-out revving machine that needed to be run high in the RPMs to make power. Now, the 2022 CRF250 has more bottom end power, while sacrificing some of it's top end speed. The final horsepower number is actually .7 less on the new 250, but it feels faster because the new engine is easier to use.
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@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

These are my favorite types of tests! If you guys like this style of video, let us know here which other bikes you'd like to see to head to head

@barnescycle 2 жыл бұрын

I’m like a kid at Christmas, I can’t wait to get my new one in. Should be a major upgrade for me

@Ranger_Dog311 2 жыл бұрын

Be cool to see back to back tests on the 21 yz 2 strokes versus the updated 22's . keep these kinda tests coming Josh love em 👌

@dalefitzgerald4369 2 жыл бұрын

The YZ250 vs the 22 CRF would be great

@jarimo97 2 жыл бұрын

It is indeed a great test that shows how all the improvements that they sell really show on the track. At the end of the day that's what matters the most.

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ranger_Dog311 I agree that would be a good one!

@colemanmohler1196 2 жыл бұрын

Head to head with the Yamaha yz250f! Everyone wants to know what is better!

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea! Possibly soon!

@ChupacabraOffroad 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Great video MXA, but we want to know how the power compares to the YZ.

@haydenbaha 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2020 yz250f with everything you could ever want pretty much. I’m tryna sell it to get the 22 Honda

@wanlessadventures692 2 жыл бұрын

Love the back to back comparison. Very informative

@patrickmartin459 2 жыл бұрын

Great video comparing them side by side, i’d like to see MXA testing the new 2022 YZ 250FX soon :)

@pleal.oficial 2 жыл бұрын

This really helped me! I’m a weekend trail rider who want’s to start motocross. I’ll stay with the 2021!

@HNTRTV 2 жыл бұрын

you guys should consider doing a beginner level shootout, since 75% of the consumers fall in that category

@giacomocaravati3588 2 жыл бұрын

Really interesting!!! 👍🏻 ...did you feel differences with the new gear rate? Tnx!!! 😎😎😎

@dirtbiketv1 2 жыл бұрын

Great job guys.

@allmtbnzscottbrownhill2896 2 жыл бұрын

How many hours on the 2022 vs the 2021? Did the 2022 have time to free up in the suspension and seat soften up? How many hours on the 2021 engine?

@justdewitt4483 2 жыл бұрын

Great video format!

@devinwright131 2 жыл бұрын

B2B is a killer series idea for sure. Steel tube frame yz250 vs 2022, 250f with Gett/u4.4 vs stock, etc 🤘

@jedielder7970 2 жыл бұрын

Did you try to adjust the stock suspension on the 2022 to see if it can be "fixed" without sending it to a shop or buying springs? Great video, thanks! 👍

@yuriabmxr 2 жыл бұрын

My question, too! At least what weight rider they think it was set up for?

@barnescycle 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait I sold a 2019 450 with way too much power for my vet novice vet c riding self. My 2022 should be in next week and it’s 18lbs light then my old 450

@Sabresieben 2 жыл бұрын

Just waiting to hear from my dealer for when my reserved bike gets received, any day now but prob will be next week. Im so pumped, first bike.

@bradymxr4659 2 жыл бұрын

Should have waited cause the 2021 Honda 450 had some problems! and recalls. The ECU my friend sent his in several times and still sucked. Your 2019 was a better bike cause that’s what he had and said he wished he kept!

@sooperdan 2 жыл бұрын

Love the side by side test...

@scottmugford1123 2 жыл бұрын

Like to see a shot out between the 2022 yz450f and the 2022 crf450r

@mxengineer1 2 жыл бұрын

Great lap time comparison. Do you think the difference in suspension feel was simply the new '22 CRF250R was not fully broke in compared to the '21 CRF250R which had much more time on it? Could you feel any difference in chassis compliance between the bikes?

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks glad you dig it! I don't think break in was an issue because the 2022 already had 11 hours on it when we shot this video, just had been freshened up with new plastics. Even our heavier testers thought the forks were stiff. Chassis compliance felt like the 2021 was nicer, but a lot of that was probably the forks being too stiff on the 2022

@ScoopDoggg13 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshmosiman1955 this statment seem to contradict what you said in the first ride video about the forks. You said before that they were too soft and you had to add 3 clicks to get better hold up.

@tom97zr2 2 жыл бұрын

I did the valving in the forks on my 2022 and it was much stiffer than the 2020 valving. The 2022 uses .30mm shims in the high speed shim stack, never seen that before on any stock fork valving.

@bryanb1846 2 жыл бұрын

The 2022 Honda CRF250 has no straight line stability and the bike is radically stiff with no adjustments. I was riding a 2020 YZ250F and with no adjustments was very easy to ride. The Honda is extremely lighter and pulls longer and I think the bottom end is great, but its hard to trust going down over breaking bumps. I went 5 clicks softer on the forks and a half turn out on the shock. This helped setting adjustment did help quite a bit. I bought this bike because of all the reviews of how great it was and because I wanted to get faster in corners. I have only put 2 hours on it so hoping it breaks in a little more.

@bryanb1846 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the grammar issue, I woke up at 2am and couldn't fall back asleep. The adjustments I made did help a great deal. I am 41, 155 ,and 5'6" for situational awareness. Can't wait for the bike to soften up and listen to the Kris Keefer settings!!! I think the bike sounds fantastic. Time for some meditation sleep healing music.

@quadcityracing 2 жыл бұрын

Good video. 2.5 secs is a lot. Honda pulled some needed upgrades out of their genius bag.

@yuriabmxr 2 жыл бұрын

Josh, what I would be interested to see are two things: 1) what does it take to get the suspension set up, and who is the writer it is being set up for. To say a fork is set up for doesn't really tell us anything in and of itself. 2) more timed laps. Average of ten laps sounds sensible.

@barnescycle 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting on this video

@jkell411 2 жыл бұрын

Are those average lap times over multiple laps and multiple sessions? A single lap at different times will not really tell you the whole story. That much difference can be the difference between a 450 and a 250 in some cases. Seems kind of hard to believe...

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

One lap sprint, not an average. And they were done back to back without any water break or rest in-between. Swapped bikes and went out for the next lap. I did my best to hit the same lines and made sure I had plenty of space so I wasn't having to pass anyone and my lap wasn't hindered! We don't always do lap time comparisons for the reasons you brought up because its not always the best way to determine a winner and usually you can feel the difference and which one is better without a lap time. We did it for fun and I think this was the most accurate way for us to do it with the least amount of variables

@Jordz711 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a 08 CRF450 vs 07 CR250, from the perspective of a 35-50 year old wanting to stay fit, but kind of throw it back a bit old school to bring the cost and speed down a bit. Which one would give the most nostalgic feel. I reckon that kind of video would be cool to watch

@BUTTERY-APEX 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet review havn't seen this done yet. I swear the 21 sounds like it's dying up top lol pipe would help for sure.

@spacejaime 2 жыл бұрын

No comments on Dunlop vs. Pirelli traction differences at G.H.

@suppercrossboy 2 жыл бұрын

I love the sound so does every other person i know i wish all bikes sounded like that

@egotripband 2 жыл бұрын

do you know the conrod length to stroke ratio ? yes i honestly would like to know

@richiehoppie6945 2 жыл бұрын

On a 19 now and love it but my 23 is on the way glad i found this video

@tomnekuda3818 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like correct way to test.....good comparison.

@busby905 27 күн бұрын

Why have testers stopped saying add a tooth to rear sprocket? They used to say that solved bottom end issues

@damoncooke 2 жыл бұрын

Mad video🤙

@kinker200 Жыл бұрын

I love these types of tests. I’d love to see a test of an older KTM 250 SX-F vs new. Like the 2016-22 vs the 23. Or the older kickstart Kawasaki KX250F vs the new push button start. Like 2018-20 vs the 21 and up. Maybe even the 2016 KX250F vs the 2023 KX250. Makes me more confident when shopping for a used bike.

@TCON42499 11 ай бұрын

I’d like to see this too, I have a 2016 kx250f and i’m having trouble letting it go cause it’s so good. But wanting something newer

@jmabs5096 2 жыл бұрын

Eh, 2 seconds could be easily rider variables rather machine allowing a faster lap time. I think a real test would be do 50 laps over a week or two, average them out to find actual average lap times. Doing only one test is going to allow a ton of potential errors that would be ironed out with 50 laps... Also jumping on another bike and only doing a lap or two doesn't allow riders to really get to know that machine.

@kajih9351 2 жыл бұрын

Kenapa honda kok masih pertahan sohc pdahal motor lain udah sohc mohon penjelasan

@jeffz2353 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Fun test. You said it sounds like the yzf and you're not happy about that, why? Too loud I would guess?

@onthegasapparel7717 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much get a revalve front and back with correct springs for your weight.

@charlesclapper8982 2 жыл бұрын

how's bottom end on new one. is it close to yamaha

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely a lot closer to the Yamaha!

@jeffsaverio 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but I beleive two seconds it's to much. New honda 2022 has a good torque on a low RPM but Glen Helen doesn't seems to me is a track that needs a torque to push out at the low speed a bike. Perhaps a seconds could be. Weight could be a liter more or less inside the tank , because we are not talking about a lot of differencies. Obviusly 250\2022 it is a good bike and me coming down from the 250/21 CRF SRS I found lot of lack on a high RPM where you do not have to deal much to shift gears from a corner to another , trying to rallent the inertial weight gained. Anyway, was a really good job and woud be nice to have some telemetry graphics to see body efforts applied to reach the speed. Thank you for this comparison, was really interesting.

@davidleasterlingjr2038 2 жыл бұрын

Honda has to have suspension setup to your weight. Regardless That should be done with any bike if you want the best experience.

@geofr3nt1c65 2 жыл бұрын

why haven't I seen the crf 250 f version

@SOMINMOTO 2 жыл бұрын

How many hours on the 21 suspension and how many on the 22 ? Maybe break the 22 forks in before you give it a bad review..

@tom97zr2 2 жыл бұрын

The 2022 fork valving is much stiffer than the 2020

@andy5786 2 жыл бұрын

Great bike review of the Honda can you do test on Suzuki RM 250 22 model please motocross action 👍

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Should be doing that one soon👌🏼

@elasticsoldier0257 2 жыл бұрын

Just google the past 15 years of the RMZ 250 ,,

@michaeljohnson7892 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a worksadition

@joshmosiman1955 2 жыл бұрын

Not in the 250 model, only for the CRF450

@VictoriaGonzalez-dv3hw 2 жыл бұрын

love dirt bike👍

@chipper442 2 жыл бұрын

Talk to Keefer, he’s got some sweet settings for the stock suspension. He worked hard to make that bike what it is. C442 FAHQ Racing

@KICKERMAN124 2 жыл бұрын

Stop lying 😂

@bryanb1846 2 жыл бұрын

As did I, this bike certainly needs them!

@DonutFilmsCo 2 жыл бұрын

Lets see KTM SXF 250 2022 vs HONDA CRF 250 2022

@evo5349 2 жыл бұрын

Good early test Josh

@vampzih9463 2 жыл бұрын

8 GRAND here in New Zealand it’s 15

@2slowcoach 2 жыл бұрын

Very good viddeoo, b2b is cool cant wait for the 21 vz 22 kx 250 viddeoo , only thing i can sujest is show how to swap air filter , swap oil filter , correct oil levels ect would be nice .

@mujionotrenggalek2220 2 жыл бұрын

mantap sekali motor nya super kencang

@MultiKtm300 2 жыл бұрын

Why in the world did Honda change the suspension? You won’t find any complaints on the previous generations. I just got the 2022 250RX and my hands are blistered from the rigid suspension. Now I’ve got to spend time and money trying to fix it.

@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 2 жыл бұрын

Their lap times are 1 and a half laps behind my CR500. 😎

@imtheplayerandthecoach2409 2 жыл бұрын

Should do 05-07 CR250R versus new CRF250R

@kajih9351 2 жыл бұрын

Padahal motor lain udah sohc

@KICKERMAN124 2 жыл бұрын

Need better test riders

@gricasmoto3745 Жыл бұрын

Way to sell the new bike, definitely don't want to say the 2021 is a better faster bike. 22 have better bottom . 21 is better on top with all the over rev you can ask for . Riders preference

@Fk_your_couch 2 жыл бұрын

2004 cr250r 2 stroke will eat both those bikes

@michellatour150 2 жыл бұрын

How many engine hours on that 2021? Was the suspension broken-in on the 2022? To be a 100% fair test, both bikes would have to be brand new.

@motocrossaction 2 жыл бұрын

The 2021 had 30 hours and the 2022 had 11 hours when this video was shot. The best case scenario would be if they were both at 10 hours so they were broke in, but still fresh. However, the general test and feedback would still be the same, we have dyno numbers comparing them and the 2022 is stronger down low, but actually 0.7 horsepower slower on top. Very similar to the YZ250F power curve.

@spacejaime 2 жыл бұрын

@@motocrossaction - Dynos have never won a race, as the adage goes since the early 1970's, but it's curious the "seat of the pants" indicates more top end. After all, Glenn Hellen is a high rpm track, it should feel less peppy on top.

@michellatour150 2 жыл бұрын

@@motocrossaction Thanks for the reply and details, looking forward to the 250F shootout.

@FirstGendodgegarage 2 жыл бұрын

O’Neil boots 🤢 🤮

@hansschweikert9153 2 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as a CRF250. It's either a CRF250R, a CRF250X, a CRF250F, or a CRF250L. If you're going to do a test on bikes, at least get your nomenclature right. Sheesh.

@Dylans503 2 жыл бұрын

When you say CRF 250 everyone knows you mean the original, motocross model. Nobody calls a crf250 a crf250R. That's common knowledge and goes without saying. And you forgot the crf250rx by the way.

@hansschweikert9153 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dylans503 How quaint. There are 4 CRF250 models and you somehow think “…everyone knows…” ROFLMAO. I don’t know if you’re new or you just aren’t thinking outside of your small box, but anyone who’s been around Honda motorcycles for a while knows there’s a huge difference between the CRF250F, the X, the L and the R. I own two of these. Please use the names given by Honda so everyone knows which of the 4 CRF250 models you’re talking about.

@Dylans503 2 жыл бұрын

@@hansschweikert9153 you know you're trying to lecture a MOTOCROSS magazine that's been around since the 70s on what terminology is appropriate?...Oh wait, you own two models! You must know better then, you even know the FULL model names! Wow!..looks like you forgot how to count though, because i just told you there was a RX model. And actually, they've discontinued the X and L model. Just the R, F, and RX now, and guess which one is for motocross? Its the original, R model No, im not new, I've raced for 20 years actually, and i didn't argue that the models are all the same, did i? So your patronizing attitude was pretty unnecessary. When someone says crf 250, or crf 450, unless you describe that it's a L, X, F, or RX model its common knowledge that you're referring to the R model, and if you don't know that, then YOU are the one that's out of the loop. You probably don't ride much, or mainly ride gravel roads, or don't have many friends that ride, right? The crf250R and 450R are the most sold dirt bike models. They are what the other models are based off of as well, even the 450L models motor as of recently. The R is the original, AND most popular models in the CRF lineup. So its extremely common for people to disregard the "R". Even when in conversation it's common to assume that "CRF" refers to the R model.