Hence the reason we are all waiting for Honda to pull their heads out and build us a CRF350RX and CR350X models so we can still play and have fun, without the close to death moments that the 450 brings... Those old XRs are still some of the most enjoyable bikes to putter around on!

@@Spencer758 You are correct about the XR. I am still rocking the XR 400 and sometimes even the XR 250. They are just flat out fun bikes.

You are right.

You are so right on. I have the 250F and I put some money into it, an updated fork kit, and new rear shock, pipe and spark arrestor, and new IRC tires. It's a great bike. A little heavy, but once it's on the trail it works great. If Honda ever built a lightweight great suspended air-cooled 4-stroke, watch out.

Honestly the 250f with $1500 worth of suspension is a really fun bike. I'm 225 pounds so stock it was too soft but all I want to do is ride around mostly below 25mph and the power is just fine. 5 more would be great but it's fine as is.

This. Me 100% I have a yz250fx, and a Beta 300rr. I can ride the 250f all day. And I love the thing.

yep, owned and put 50 hours on a 450 and they’re a wank factor that nobody really needs. you really can’t harness all the power that the 450s have and most ‘pro’ or experienced rider can’t use the power

depends on the 450, the WR and 450Xs are pretty docile along with the big bore 500 KTMs....the converted moto type bikes, RX, XCFs, FXs, etc can be a handful.

I had a WR250R, a KLR 650, and a new 2016 KTM 500 EXC all at the same time. The only one I regret selling is the WRR. But that's just me. Everyone's MMV.

W R O NG .. It's what's right for the individual rider. i hear this all the time and its the rider not the bike.

The 6 speed is the catch and lighting coil.

oh boy, now imagine a yz250fx, they say it's even more power it feels like tuned up 450, sometimes it's too much. Meanwhile I'm here lacking a little bit of power in my crf150f lol

the only XCF 350's I ever see are for sale. The XCF-W / FE are more popular, but not in the same category of these XC race bikes

Well said. This is case and point for how big organizations, particularly modern corporations, suck. Inflexible. Those employees who see the opportunity don't care because they are just punching a clock and get paid the same whether they take initiative or not.

People have been asking Honda to make a 350 ever since the demise of the XR350.

@@tieoneon1614 - You don’t see them because they are WAY ahead of you. 😜 Had a 2015 for a few years and loved it. Great general purpose bike, but I would probably go for the street legal one next time too. You don’t give up much for being able to ride it right from your garage.

I have been lucky enough to get ahold of the 22 350 exc but set up as a xc in aus due to licensing. Moved down from a 450 and finding the 350 giving me the benefits of both with out compromising much. Just interested what ppls thoughts were as we dont have the luxury of riding alot of different bikes or owning acouple.

I went from an old KTM 200 two stroke to a kx250f and man are you right. I got some minor engine work done and a full exhaust with the lean coupler plugged in and man does that thing blow my socks off. It hauls my fat ass around like nothing. I literally am still wondering why anyone would ever need a 450.

Deep sand whoops are so so much more enjoyable on a 450 than any 250 I've ever played on - the 250 2T is fun too, but I'll take a 450 for the deep stuff. The 250 4T is plenty though in just about every other circumstance - so it all depends on what and where you're playing!

EXC F ?

@@danielhicks5031 the 350xcf or husky FX350 basically the same bike. a beautiful balance for all terrain but probably not "the best" at any one specific thing if you know what I mean.

Ya but if it tis he EXC F you get a license plate and mirrors which opens a whole new world of riding. The KTM 350 dual sport is just as off road capable as the actual dirt bikes (XCF)

@@danielhicks5031 Had a 350exc....wish I had never sold it for an off road bike. Like the 250FX I have now and the only bike id replace it with is another 350excf. The plate....such a wonderful thing and the 350 is an awesome motor.

@@danielhicks5031 yeah I get the benefits for those who like to ride the road. Here where I live you can't ride a blue plated vehicle in the woods legally so it's red off road plates for us. Which makes mirrors and signal lights useless. Not to mention we would bust those off inside a day. Haha

Same. My single track hot laps are faster on my 250f than they were on my 300.

I bet that thing is amazing! -The "big bore" 250Fs are the FASTEST bike for ANY rider! The have grunt, they have agility & handling, and they are the easiest on the body and mind! I bet you'd kill me on both race bikes with a Honda Red Moto CRF300RX - even with a FULLY MODIFIED TM Racing EN300ES 2 stroke engine that I threw everything but the kitchen sink at it from powerparts catalog (it has EVERYTHING that their TM Racing USA team race bikes have except they go with a STIC Metering Block or Smart Carb 2, and I just have a JD Jetting kit for the Keihin PWK 38). I personally have a 22 CRF450R-S (2020 twin pipe version) that I converted to a CRF450RX (for longevity/durability), and boy have I drained the bank account building it! lol I put Pro Wheels 70R 21in/18in offroad wheel combo with a Dirt Tricks 14/52 final drive w/Regina Gold 520 chain, put the Red Moto billet in-line cooler with their radiator hoses, CV4 radiator cap, trail tech fan, Boyesen Supercooler, Hinson Racing Momentum Billetproof Clutch w/ XPR Engines Clutch arm mated to Ride Engineering billet clutch cable bracket to a ARC RC-8 Works Perch, Akropovic Full Exhaust system, Acerbis oversize tank, Pro Moto Billet kickstand, and Twin Air Powerflow kit with Twin Air Radiator sleeves. Now just trying to figure out if I'm gonna go with a XPR Mapped Vortex ECU, or an HP Race Development/Taco Moto Mapped Athena Get RX1 Pro ECU?? Do you have any suggestions?? I'm stumped, cause I heard Taco Moto maps are great from some, and lackluster and over-hyped from others - I heard that the RX1 Pro is amazing technology though, and has a way faster processor and added tech at basically the same price point as the Vortex - but I bought most of my stuff from Chad & Leah Braun at XPR Engines and hear nothing but great things about their mapping as thry do many off-road pro engines and are in charge of the MotoconceptsHonda Racing Team...just don't know if I'd want to go with higher end tech with the Athena Get RX1 Pro, as I heard it's almost cheating with that system. Heard the Vortex is really outdated, and the RX1 Pro also has a censor for barometric pressure, and I'll be riding at altitude in Cascade mountains in WA state, to the deep sugar sand of the Atlantic coast of the Carolinas! So what do you think, since you clearly have the best bike in the world, and must be more knowledgeable, experienced, and qualified than myself??

Does it feel any heavier? I have a sumo setup on mine but also ride it on single track a ton. I was thinking of getting a second two stroke but would rather big bore it when it’s time for a top end if it gives it enough grunt without feeling heavy. I’m not into hard enduro or anything. Just chill single track in the woods.

@@MPLSdunk Not at all. If anything it made it easier to manage in the tighter stuff. It's always a tough call, it's very hard to have 1 bike that does it all. The 2 strokes are really hard to beat in more technical riding and they run a lot cooler. But 4 strokes are seriously capable, but feel heavier and jerkier in the tough stuff. Hard to pick your poison! :). I'm a pretty chill rider and I ended up with a 2 stroke for more rocky technical single track and a 4 stroke for more flowly trails. It's kinda fun being spoiled 😎

@@DirtZen first mod I did was put a fan on, so I got the heat managed. it's true you can't have one bike to do it all but I feel like the 250rx is good enough. the other thing nobody talks about is speed. my boys trainer is great in the single track but feels sketchy at 50mph where my bike is rock solid. good to hear you like the big bore, I'll do that before I make any decisions. a lot easier to justify a big bore than a expensive 2 stroke I'll ride a few times a month tops.

But how much do you weigh?

@@chapekfabrication2975 155-160

Oh I totally agree and know why, I thought it was be interesting to watch, that’s all:)

I would love to see Japan produce some 200, 250 and 300 2 stroke enduro bikes.

@@carlatamanczyk3891 the 200cc is the ultimate fun bike for me...I had the opportunity to try one of my mates beta rr200: Just a fun machine to play! Ofc with a japanese AF would be the ultimate weapon!

Klx110 is severely underpowered

What’s wrong with cable clutch? I could understand that it still being carb is a problem but nothing wrong with a cable clutch

Yeah it’s good and bad with how slowly the Japanese brands change.

@@cass8144 In hard enduro or technical trail riding terrain, the heavy pull of a cable clutch is totally unacceptable. In wide open riding, I'm sure it would be fine. I have bikes with both but would never take the bike with cable clutch on the "real" trails. All depends on the terrain I guess.

@@midgetmoney1 the Yamaha clutch is really light, like close to a KTM.

@@cass8144 carb isn’t a problem. Less issues and easy to work on, plus generally better on low end torque. Overly complicated things aren’t always a good idea on backwoods trail riding.

Well this is not an SX bike. Its a Cross Country Bike, so its likely slightly de-tuned. Not to mention that while the SX bikes follow honologation rules, there is still a degree of performance components and software components used to MAXIMIZE performance.

If I ever hit my head, forgot who I was, and ended up buying a 4 stroke, I’d get a 350. Seems like the best all around trail bike size for a 4 stroke.

@@joshuavanzuydam5044 I wasn't saying that anyone could take this bike and race a supercross I was just saying that a 250 4T (and I'm a 2T guy til I die) is not going to be scooter power. You make valid points but I'm comparing apples to oranges in a way

I am an average rider ,been riding since 1980,mostly 2 strokes similar terrain to this video ,I have a couple of 450 sxf s ,250 ,300 tx ,bought a 19 350 fx husky it’s the sweet spot ,6 speed ,close ratio box ,not a fan of air forks so I put dal Soggio cartridges etc for the average bloke not wanting a 2 banger this is the one .👍

450

what did you decide?

Wr250f

i concur... WR250F is an easy answer. and i'm not brand loyal.

Theres an exhaust baffle, airbox baffle, and a throttle stop that he can remove from the WR to get some more power. They choke up the WRs so they pass emissions in California for offroad riding.

@@Justen1980 yeah I helped him with that when he first got the bike. It helped wake it up.

@@Justen1980 AND the competition ECU

The FX has more power, better suspension, The Hondas power is up from 21, but still lacking compared to FX, suspension isn’t bad. Honda handles razor sharp though and feels lighter, and does it look good, YES… Can’t go wrong with either.

The FX has a better gearbox, and a proven durable engine. Guys are going 250 hours on those top ends no problem. I'd go FX all day every day and I think Kyle would to.

Rx all day

Same here in Manitoba, no 250’s in sight so I went for the 450RX. Wow power everywhere, they told me the same thing I’ll save on maintenance and rebuilds because I wouldn’t ring it out as much as the 250. I mainly trail ride with the family 80% and the rest fast pace or at the track. Can’t wait for our snow to melt so I can start putting serious miles on. Ride Red and have fun, good luck with your bike

@@a.p.r.1045 Yeah these bikes are powerful! I have a 2010 yz250f, and my crf450rx compared to yz250f, is like my yz250f compared to my wifes klx140. You have fun too bud!

Yes, 450's generally speaking out last 250's. Especially if you aren't tapping the rev limiter.

I'm 72 years old and I love riding a 300 2 stroke all day long. Thats with type 2 diabetes, neuropathy, and stage 3 kidney dusease included.

No

I switched to full wrapped cuz a months ago I broke a finger due to not having protection of a full wrapped. But it depends, some big riders use flag other full,

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/htiIZKd8zLOvmqM.html Kyle's thoughts here. Also this track he is on in this old video in American Fork Canyon by tribble fork reservoir is awesome, i had a chance to do it with my kid last year, cant wait to go back.

I think he does a bang-up job of explaining the advantages and disadvantages of every bike he rides from his perspective. New rider??? I hardly think so.

Jesus, is it that time of that month?

Being that guy* are we ?