2023 Honda Civic Type-R (FL5) vs S2000 | Is Honda Losing its Edge?

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Today we're comparing the 2023 Honda Civic Type R (FL5) to the beloved Honda S2000 to see how it compares. Has the new civic inherited the raw, drivers-focused experience of the S2000? Or will it fall short? Let's find out.
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🚗 Vehicle in This Video:
2023 Honda Civic Type R (FL5)
Engine: 2.0L Turbo 4-cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Horsepower: 315 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 310 lb-ft @ 2600 rpm
Curb weight: 3,150 lbs
2001 Honda S2000 (AP1)
Engine: 2.0L 4-cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Horsepower: 240 hp @ 8300 rpm
Torque: 153 lb-ft @ 7500 rpm
Curb weight: 2,809 lbs
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Introduction
00:40 - Honda S2000
07:47 - Honda Civic Type R (FL5)
14:51 - Final thoughts

Пікірлер: 36

@benpenagonzales6014 Жыл бұрын

So he’s basically ruined his CTR with that KW suspension that’d only work on track. And changing the suspension is why you’ve got the torque steer as he’s ruined the stock geo set up - set up to near eliminate torque steer. Still love both! Just stock for both

@zachheath3825 Жыл бұрын

Great driving!

@shaneh734 Жыл бұрын

S2000! I love the red interior of the type R. I’ve been waiting since April for an allocation of a GR86 halo premium manual! Formula say my wait May extend into the fall for a 2024. Now, I’m contemplating an S2000 instead🤷🏾

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

Well said Chris

@RickStarzz Жыл бұрын

Good analysis! Gotta say first video admitting the bouncing fl5 is a bit much. I mean it even shows up in other vids. That s2000 is on my future list

@XOX-fs4ww 6 ай бұрын

Aftermarket springs on this car

@LoveLikeaHurricane Жыл бұрын

It’s a shame, all those extra research and performance addition to FL5, you add the same tires/wheels to the FK8 (nonLE) and I’m pretty sure it will be a better and faster car. The FL5 does have better shift due to lighter flywheel, and I do believe it has a bit better cooling. Currently daily my S2000 as oppose to the Type R. Type R sitting at 3000 miles

@MrJspecefini Жыл бұрын

I have an s2000 modified for the circuit but I have to say I’m really a fan of how this new fl5 looks. Not a fan of fake engine noise though.

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely classier than any civic before

@Affalterbach1967 Жыл бұрын

Is the wear and tear on a 22 year oldcar noticeable -- shifter, steering feel and response, etc ? Or does maintenance including replacing ball joints, bushings, engine mounts, etc keep it feeling like new ?

@Riknos Жыл бұрын

my 19 year old S2000 has a tighter feeling gear change than my FK8, but I have replaced shifter components and lubricate it to get it there.

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

Definitely noticeable compared to power mileage S2K I’ve driven. But agreed with Rik that even high mileage tired S2k had better shifter feel than new FL5

@bmatteson88 Жыл бұрын

That looks like grizzly peak off fish ranch road northern cali in the Oakland hills

@rafacereceres1316 6 ай бұрын

Both cars are great. I have a fk8 s2k and fl5. Honda is not losing anything i promise

@scottcolpitts8521 Жыл бұрын

Why did he ruin the shifter with that aftermarket knob! Why!

@arnoldkiel7670 Жыл бұрын

The Type R is so bouncy partly because of the evidently wrong Eibach springs. Also the lowering does not look good IMO.

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

Type R is already incredibly bouncy stock, per launch videos. The springs do make it worse though

@XXS-wz5zl Жыл бұрын

Stock shocks?

@latuba2478 Жыл бұрын

That’s a 2022 vehicle. DBW has come a long way since AP2 V1 DBW systems. Loss of response comes from the turbo

@JBOsurf Жыл бұрын

The ride quality looks non-existent. I have a deposit on one of these and now I'm thinking of walking away. WTAF is going on with the ride????

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind this has lowering springs that are 10% higher spring rate over stock

@JBOsurf Жыл бұрын

@@jubbalandcars thank Christ! If that was standard I’d set fire to the effing thing.

@LoveLikeaHurricane Жыл бұрын

@@JBOsurf it will bounce in R mode. It has been like that even on the LE model of Fk8. It’s a poor choice by Honda to tune it this way for a street car

@latuba2478 Жыл бұрын

@@JBOsurfbro stfu it’s usual for a sportier car to suffer in ride quality. Get a rolls Royce with the way your over reacting. Not a civic.

@JBOsurf Жыл бұрын

@@latuba2478 it was explained to me in a post above the car was on aftermarket springs which made the car ride even worse. A firm ride is fine. Bouncing all over the place in a road car isn’t. In my opinion. Which obviously doesn’t align with yours. That’s cool. Everyone’s different. Have a lovely week.

@darrenprior6339 Жыл бұрын

The pogo-sticking and torque steer is a deal-breaker for me on that FL5. I'll keep my GR Yaris and say bye bye to the FL5 on a badly maintain, wet, mountain road.

@XOX-fs4ww 6 ай бұрын

Springs are aftermarket on this car

@bige7186 Жыл бұрын

S2000 no doubt

@jubbalandcars Жыл бұрын

You and me both

@endlesstwisties 10 ай бұрын

For poor drivers Civic is a much better choice

@jubbalandcars 10 ай бұрын

Yes FF is more approachable

@pobster88j94 Жыл бұрын

100% they lost their edge. I strictly drove accord coupes after the eclipse was discontinued. My last one was a 2014 accord coupe and I loved it. I’ve since moved to Toyota just because Honda got so boring.