2023 Marin San Quentin 2 - A First Look at Marin's New and Improved Affordable 27.5 Play Hardtail

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2023 Marin San Quentin 2 is an affordable hardtail with modern geometry and some really nice parts. It's built to bridge the gap between a dirt jumper and a modern MTB hardtail. 2023 has seen some improvements over the previous generation, including a longer reach, a 1* slacker hta, a steeper sta, and more standover clearance and dropper insertion. Today we take a first look at it it to see what it's all about. The weight came in higher than I had hoped, but for the price, I really can't complain. Lean more about this bike and order it here: bit.ly/3ytUJrh
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@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

A few quick corrections: 1) These are NOT the pedals that Marin ships with these bikes. These are aftermarket Marin pedals 2) The headbadge does indeed have a protective plastic film over it. I just needed to get a little more aggressive with the exacto knife to remove it.

@Shred_Tube Жыл бұрын

lol i had my Marin for about 6 months before i figured out there wasa a plastic film over the headbadge. I kinda wish i didnt remove it because now its got scratches on it :(

@mattgies Жыл бұрын

Excellent! I work at a Marin dealer and I know firsthand how tricky that protective plastic can be. Glad you figured it out.

@originalkontrol Жыл бұрын

As always great review. You've been a great guide while considering a new hardtail! Hopefully this summer! Can't wait to see your full review.

@138Scratch Жыл бұрын

There is a sticker over the head badge, you gotta pick at it with a razor or pick. I sell these at my shop, leaving that on is a personal pet pev haha.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much, I'm so glad to hear that! It explains a lot. I tried using a pick and a razor blade but it just acted like I was scratching it. I guess I'll get a little more aggressive now. That's great news.

@twiztedbullet Жыл бұрын

I just got one, and I love it. I got back into riding last year and I'm 37yrs old. I come from a bmx background. I'm short so the standover is amazing. I bought the 2 with the intention of upgrading the forks later, but it rips right out the box! Love the videos, they really helped me make a great decision! Cool to see you review the bike I chose!

@twiztedbullet Жыл бұрын

And I need shorter cranks too

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I definitely wouldn't be complaining if this came with 165 cranks.

@stolimano3723 Жыл бұрын

@@twiztedbullet I’m 5 ft 6 and fitted 165mm cranks to my bike last year. A noticeable improvement over the 170’s it came with. I wouldn’t go back and would like to try even shorter 160’s. I think crank length is one of the last things that lingers on from the days when everything mtb was road bike inspired- stem length, multiple chain rings up front, narrow handlebars etc. manufacturers should address this

@whatfreedom7 Жыл бұрын

@@stolimano3723 I’m the same height as you. Did you go with a medium?

@stolimano3723 Жыл бұрын

@@whatfreedom7 I don’t have one. I was just commenting on the crank length but the medium has a 430mm seat tube which means I’d struggle with a 125mm dropper post. I do have short legs though

@marin_bikes Жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve, we look forward to seeing what you think once you get it out on the trail.

@alabaster4263 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Steve 📹

@shaunroach7829 Жыл бұрын

Great first look and great breakdown fair and balance of the Sun Quinten!!! Looking forward for the ride review!!! 👍👍

@zenofthemoment Жыл бұрын

I didn’t understand the original San Quentin when it first came out, and really missed out because of it. Glad Marin stuck with it! My B17 punched above its weight when it was new, and is still a great bike today. I’m sure this SQ will be solid too in 5 years. Marin is an awesome company who still makes bikes that are fun first….something severely lacking in the modern performance-first bike industry. Great job Marin!

@thatprcrawlerguy187 Жыл бұрын

Awesome I have a B-17 2. Love them days where you could get a full suspension bike with rockshox revelation, slx groupset, mt500 for under 2k 🤷🏽‍♂️😊

@CasperRc81 11 ай бұрын

@@thatprcrawlerguy187I had same bike. As you cracked the frame was my fault they warrantied to the Riftzone 3 since b17 was discontinued. Yes the spec on this bike is great. And I’m still running the stock 27.5 idk 38mm wheels in 2023.

@wesleywermuth9545 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the ride review. Love your channel

@dennisfloyd8514 Жыл бұрын

Love seeing the high end hard tails and equally love seeing the more affordable hard tails as this is many peoples price range. Well done Steve!

@josehurtado7822 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video . I have been waiting for it 😂

@slantedorbit Жыл бұрын

Love my 2022 SQ2, my first mtb ever at age 58. Swapped out saddle, pedals and grips, put some tubeless Rekons on there and peeled off the rim stickers lol. Coming from gravel the stack felt just right, geo is awesomely intuitive. Def rely on the air in the Recon fork, too bad abt the switch to spring in ‘23. In any event, availability looking bleak until Nov; my shop will be selling Nukeproof Scouts in the meantime. But every ride the SQ2 teaches me something new. Feel fortunate I have started trail riding in the age of the hardcore hardtail.

@steffgofpv9681 Жыл бұрын

Just asked you about the San Quentin last week via Instagram and here is the video, nice! Really helpful

@nodbag6301 Жыл бұрын

Another great Video. Your's and Dusty Betty's are the first channels I look to for updates. I love the look of Sedona's trails and geography which is sooo different from the mud and greenery of northern England. My Scott Scale works here but wouldn't there. Sedona is on my Bucket list. Thanks for the content Steve

@MW-ud8zp Жыл бұрын

heyyy awesome, you finally got a san quentin to review

@whiskyo 4 ай бұрын

Excellent review

@ShadLife Жыл бұрын

Excellent first look!

@razmtb5028 Жыл бұрын

Love it!!

@William.N Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing how the parts come together on the trail

@dems_mtb Жыл бұрын

Great review!

@Ztirf1022 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah! Watching from Philippines!

@auomauom Жыл бұрын

I have the 2022 model. Good to finally see a SQ on your channel. Looking forward to see what you think of the bike.

@garyharmon5386 Жыл бұрын

Great review

@rpiian Жыл бұрын

This is an impressive little bike. Very cool!

@mikeaaronnewman1305 Жыл бұрын

I had a 2020 San Quentin 1 and loved it. I did put on some riser bars, though, because of the low stack. I look at the SQ2, though, and see it as a damn good value because the spec is decent and it can be upgraded to your heart's (and wallet's) content. IDK why Marin doesn't make the SQ1 able to be adapted to thru axle like they did with the Rift Zone 1.

@chewybass 3 ай бұрын

My comes in tomorrow, can’t wait 🤙🏽

@StreetComp Жыл бұрын

Thx for your very helpful videos! It’s May ‘23 and I just bought an SQ2 for $1500 and the Marin website says SQ3 and SQ1 are also available in all sizes - reading thru comments it seems people weren’t expecting them to be in stock until late this year. I don’t know anything about bike production, other than almost all frames are made in SE Asian countries, so I imagine they’ve been hit with supply issues like everyone else over past few years

@Rawkus919 Жыл бұрын

With the seat so high above the stays and frame, it will be interesting to hear about frame compliance and characteristics.

@ish474 Жыл бұрын

I almost bought a San Quinton but I didn't like the '22 colors and I couldn't find a '21 frame. I'm curious how you like it because we have different tastes in hardtails. Love the channel can't wait to see the ride of this one.

@brentpage3787 Жыл бұрын

I sell Marin in my shop as well and people love this bike! The past 2 had a air fork and 12spd. Super fun bike!

@whatfreedom7 Жыл бұрын

I’m currently riding a Kona lanai which kinda sucks but it’s my first mountain bike. I know this bike would be a obvious major upgrade but is this fork good and the bike overall as is? I don’t really want to pay $1500 and still have to pay another $400-600 for a good fork. He was saying it’s not air adjustable but does it have any air at all?

@Jose-sy1je 2 ай бұрын

What would you recommend more, the Cannondale Habit HT2, Roscoe 6 or this bike?

@PureRiding Жыл бұрын

Excited to see what you think, I almost got the SQ3, but they were sold out for the next 8 months in my area and didn't feel like building a frame. Ended up getting the Big Al 1.0 instead. Let's see if the $500-$600 difference was really worth it!

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

How you liking the Big Al? It was in my top three list, but I went with a Canyon based on availability and pricing.

@PureRiding Жыл бұрын

@Throbbinwood of Coxley It's amazing! Riden a few times so far, and it's super playful and light (to me, my other bike is about 35lbs). I was really surprised at how good hardtails felt. I think for the price to spec, it's really, really hard to beat. I was surprised that the paint didn't feel cheap either. Sometimes, on the budget bikes, the paint seems to just flake, but it feels premium to me. I almost got the canyon before, too. That's another great bike! Hope you enjoy your new ride

@dragoschisavu Жыл бұрын

Great video Steve! Interesting that you pointed those things about it being cheap. You dont get to see these things online. Really helpfull! Anyway, I was curious when are we going to see the Canyon Stoic on the channel. Maybe a review based on the website specs? Just like you did with the Scout before. If u can't get your hands on one of them. Cheers!!

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Thanks, that's what I try to bring with my first looks, info you couldn't get just by looking online. Still, I'm impressed with this little thong. I've lost hope of ever getting a canyon on the channel. I've reached out so many times. I don't think it's going to happen.

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty if I was in Arizona, I’d hand mine over for a few days. I’d love to know how it measures up against the Ragley offerings.

@jurisx85 Жыл бұрын

OMG. The day has come!

@munga1302 Жыл бұрын

I own a 2021 san quentin and steve is right the stack is so low i had to put all the spacers under and get a riser bar to feel more comfortable, but i can't complain it's an entry bike but still rides great

@zoozu2067 Жыл бұрын

Could never really get along with my 2021 due to the low stack, I had the same setup and it was still to low for the L frame.

@jg2wheels Жыл бұрын

Cool Lazer shirt. Reminds me of Sixes Pit Bike shop in Georgia. Look up their shop car 🤘🏻

@rideronetwoninenine7883 Жыл бұрын

Please do the POLYGON XTRADA7 i just added a 150 fork and a dropper post on it rides like a dream

@eddieh3509 Жыл бұрын

Love the vids, keep 'em coming! One helpful suggestion for the new studio. Get some wash fixutre lights and side mount them. That stage will really pop if you do. There's a channel called 'Learn Stage Lighting" that has some great content on the subject.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion.

@james.shafiei Жыл бұрын

@marinbikesofficial when is the SQ3 frameset going to be available? Still nothing at bikes online australia.

@reindeer2748 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing you ride it! I noticed that its geo looks fairly close to the paradox, other than the stack.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

They ride extremely different for some reason.

@mangoshake Жыл бұрын

I currently have a 2022 size L San Quentin 3 with 30mm riser bars and a 150mm travel fork. It fits me well stack-wise but this 2023 model definitely won't smack my nuts like my current bike lol

@backyardr.c.channel4732 Жыл бұрын

Do the front and rear hubs have sealed bearings? cartriage bearings/

@flux_core_fx Жыл бұрын

I want one!

@laurentp89 Жыл бұрын

This addresses main issues with my 2019 SQ 3, I might just change the frame

@Adapting_Adventures 6 ай бұрын

is the standover height close to what it says? cuz they do have lower stand over height than most bikes on paper.

@hardmtnbiker Жыл бұрын

11speed all day! I know everyone wants the lighter latest 12speed group sets or “Grouppos” but honestly, is it better?

@davetimmins1585 11 ай бұрын

at 5,11 inside leg 88cm what size would you suggest please?

@kris8165 14 күн бұрын

I like to watch reviews of the "cheaper" bikes here,than of those multi thousand dollars ones! What's the point...I can't afford any of those !😅 Greetings from Croatia 😎

@KidKatree Жыл бұрын

You can tune the springrate of the Fork by installing a 2007 and up lyrik or domain coil spring. Fits perfect Riding the fork of one of my bikes and i kind of like it especially on the hardtail.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Very cool. I read that online, but it was more of a speculation. I hadn't found anyone who had actually done it. Have you installed one?

@KidKatree Жыл бұрын

Yeah i wen‘t down to the yellow one because im light (140 lbs) and now i can get more travel out of the fork for general trail riding. The stock spring had more support but i only ever hit 120 of 160mm of travel. If i need more support for jumps and such i can always go back up.

@notree666 Жыл бұрын

The San Quentin was my first choice when looking at bikes last year. I think they messed up going quick release on the 1 again . One of few reasons I went with the Growler instead.

@marin_bikes Жыл бұрын

The San Quentin 1 always had open dropouts out back.

@notree666 Жыл бұрын

@@marin_bikes I know. Which pointed me to another brand. Great bike, just wish they all shared the same frame.

@yaakov_meir Жыл бұрын

What a career! We could say you've become the guru of mountain bikes. But your comments are not hanging in the clouds. You've become more like The Commander in Chief. The Premier of Mountain Biking.

@KerryFairbanks 10 ай бұрын

I ride a 9 speed, I can't imagine what more gears even do like do I start floating into space or reaching like 50mph on flats? lol idk I like everything simple and easy

@mdoe1053 10 ай бұрын

I was able to pick up a new 2023 SQ3 for $1,499 the other day. Insane value if you can find them onsale.

@techjeeper8800 Жыл бұрын

I’m headed to Sedona today, I see all this rain in the forecast, I’m guessing riding isn’t going to be an option? Is there any place that posts trail conditions? My son and I are bringing our hardtails but won’t tear stuff up. Excited to here about your thoughts out on the trail with the San Quentin!

@mazescopak405 Жыл бұрын

Call thunder mountain bike shop

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your consideration of our trail conditions, it means a lot. Thunder mountain is your source for trail conditions. We can usually handle 1-3 hours of rain no problem, but more than that and the trails need some time to dry out.

@faustocastaneda3542 10 ай бұрын

im 6'3". what size frame do i need?

@mrvapor4791 7 ай бұрын

I have no experience with bikepacking. Would the San Quentin be a good bikepacking bike since it has a low stand over height or is that even a factor?

@outsider1733 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if smaller seat tube diameters help with frame compliance. Not sure if that's the reason some companies go with 30.9 or not.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Some steel manufactures claim it makes a difference, some don't. I'd guess they haven't thought much (if at all) about compliance on this frame. That said, the alloy TM2 is very compliant.

@GD-gj6mn Жыл бұрын

The R35 fork can be adjusted internally. You will need to remove the top cap on the spring side. There are three preload spacers between the cap and the spring. I have tried removing two and the fork was much more supple.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Great info, I was wondering about that. Did the spring knock around at all afterwards?

@GD-gj6mn Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty Yes, a slight but noticeable rattle on chattery terrain. Once the fork sets into the travel the rattle is less noticeable. I tolerated it for about twenty or so rides before upgrading to an air fork.

@nicholkid Жыл бұрын

I used to have a 35 silver fork and I thought it gave a pretty plush ride actually. I'm curious what you think about it when riding. My main problems were no adjustment and it was way too heavy. But it was plenty capable.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I may love it, we'll see. How much do you weigh?

@nicholkid Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty 172...so exactly in the ideal range lol

@james.shafiei Жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 2023 San Quentin and there actually is plastic film on the head badge, just gotta get at it. Bummer that yours is crooked though!

@danielvelasquez7708 Жыл бұрын

I have ridden the 2022 version, it was not my first choice, never liked the loose ball bearings on that bike, & will consider I9 1/1 wheels. I have replaced the tires with Schwalbe Nobby Nic, the drivetrain Box Components Prime 9 loved it for simplicity, & durability.

@baddriversofcolga Жыл бұрын

The SQ3 is really nicely spec'ed for $2k, though I do like this one's paint scheme more.

@sandy_knight Жыл бұрын

I'd be very interested in seeing more reviews on bikes around this price point. I'm looking to build up a middle quiver bike on the cheap so I'm planning to get the cheapest bike with the best frame, upgrade a few bits from my parts bin and the rest as and when I need to or can afford.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

It's extremely difficult to get companies to send me the more affordable bikes. I'll do my best to get more on the channel whenever I can.

@Accet76 Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty any plans for a review of the Canyon Stoic-models?

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

@@Accet76 they’re awesome. I just took delivery on a Stoic 2, haven’t had a chance to really beat on it yet (I keep getting new snow), but based on a couple staircases it’s a comfortable frame with decent components. One thing that was annoying was the spec sheet says it comes with an 11-46, but it came with an 11-42.

@DD-xx8wh Жыл бұрын

thanks for an affordable bike review maybe missed it !!...tubeless ready rims?

@DD-xx8wh Жыл бұрын

oops tubless? sorry ,you covered it great review!

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Yes, the rims are tubeless but the tires are not. It doesn't come with tubeless valve stems.

@Dream-season Жыл бұрын

Activating the algorithm.

@endianAphones Жыл бұрын

Just got a Marin Rift zone a few weeks ago. Now I got to run to the garage to make sure my headtube badge is straight! 😢

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

if you haven't noticed it yet, you're probably fine. You might be able to heat it up with a hairdryer and re-apply. Most head badges are applied with sticky tape.

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

My one complaint with Canyon, head tube sticker…no badge.

@EverestGTI 7 ай бұрын

I’m still deciding on either this or the Trek Roscoe 6 and can’t seem to decide! I haven’t tested either and I’m relying on videos. Anyone have any input on which I should go with?

@CheeseCream1205 2 ай бұрын

I think the Marin would be better because the Roscoe 6 has an air spring and not an air fork.

@d.christopherhoover6153 Жыл бұрын

Hey Steve - is Giant unwilling to send you & other reviewers bikes to demo? I’m continually baffled why I see reviews of the Roscoe/Fuse/San Quentin/etc. but virtually nothing on the Giant Fathom. When I bought mine in early 2021 it was one of the best deals out there @ $1300 with Deore 12 spd. Unfortunately they de-contented it for 2022 and raised the price, but still $1500 for what you get is hard to beat.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

They have been one of the hardest brands to get in touch with

@Adams_Excursions Жыл бұрын

I know it’s designed around 27.5 but I’m curious if a low volume 29er like a 2.3 would fit.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Yes, see my Instagram

@eXaviar Жыл бұрын

Nice Video. If it barely fits a 27,5x3,0: Does it even fit a 29x2.6?

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

No, this isn't a 29er

@eXaviar Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty too bad . Thx for the answer 💪🏾

@tombowen7631 Жыл бұрын

Still in ❤ with my Banshee Paradox V3 to appreciate another brand. I must admit I have more than 1500 US invested in it as well. Don't know much about Marin.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

The paradox is a fantastic bike.

@simonwatkins9431 Жыл бұрын

AdventX 1x10 and an air fork a better compromise?

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Id be happy with that. I'll bet advent x would only save $20 or so. I wonder if that's enough to make up the difference for an air adjustable fork.

@trailblazeratv6306 Жыл бұрын

I have the same torso as you. 5'7'' with gorilla arms and long torso

@drewtokarsky3917 Жыл бұрын

Since you'd be upgrading the fork anyway, I would get a cheap solid 29er wheel and a fork with 10-20mm less to preserve the geo for a fun mullet whip.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I'd go 20-30mm less to preserve geo. So a 120mm fork would be close. If only there were cheap solid 29er forks out there.

@drewtokarsky3917 Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty do you find a STA that steep is ok on rolling terrain? Unweighted STA and sagged are very different on FS, but on hardtails, it’d remain static. I wonder whether a sagged STA of 77 wouldn’t put a lot of pressure on the wrists on rolling terrain.

@timothydubber549 Жыл бұрын

Good first look. Not so sure about the San Quentin being one of the first real hardcore hardtails though. On One, Cotic, BTR, Identiti, DMR etc were making hardcore hardtails back in 2005/2007. In fairness to Marin they were definitely one of the first mainstream brands to make a proper non-XC hardtail so credit definitely deserved.

@3crowsfarm16 Жыл бұрын

Late 90s on the North Shore we had the Cove Stiffee, the DeKerf Implant (for when a Stiffee won't cut it -ya, that was the add copy!), Kona and Brody were making them too. I'm gonna go watch 'The Moment' again...

@OurnameisLegion66 Жыл бұрын

Marin had North Side Trail/b17 in 2007, which is the predecessor to this bike.

@Harambe_ Жыл бұрын

I love this bike, I just wish it was a 29er so all my tyres would be interchangeable.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

You can fit 29x2.3 in the back, but definitely not a 2.6

@Harambe_ Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty Ah sick, I only ever run 2.3's so i'll have to check it out.

@josuemedina58 Жыл бұрын

As much as I love 27.5.. with all that clearance is there a possibility it can fit 29” wheels? 👀

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

You can fit a 29x2.3 out back... Barely. See my Instagram.

@MattHobson-cr6xk 4 ай бұрын

Probs should have watched this first 😂 i just put money down on one brand new for a 1000 aud.feeling pretty happy first mtb getting into it for fun and fitness seems like this bike will do me and at least it sounds like i can change out parts i don't like.

@sixate Жыл бұрын

I almost got this for my kid, but saw the Canyon Stoic 2 on sale for $899. So I jumped on it. Then the Stoic 4 went on sale for $1499 a week after I got his. I was a bit upset because I probably would have bought the Stoic 4, but my son is only 10 so it's not a big deal. Nothing about the Canyon feels or looks cheap for the pricepoint. The Stoic 2 just needs a dropper, which I already had so not a big deal.

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

I had the same thing happen. I probably would’ve gone with the 4, because even though I like the white frame better, you can’t take the $600 difference and turn the 2 into a 4.

@Jose-sy1je 2 ай бұрын

Why should your rear axle be a thru axle? As opposed to what other axle?

@hardtailparty 2 ай бұрын

As opposed to a super thin quick release vertical axle

@rebbewful Жыл бұрын

Do you think you could do a review on the Giant Fathom 1?

@rebbewful Жыл бұрын

Please 🙏😊

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I'd love to. Giant is so hard to get ahold of

@rebbewful Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty I bought one a year ago and got a few upgrades on it now. Would love to hear your expert opinion on it if you ever get ahold of one!

@timfreeman2603 Жыл бұрын

Sold my SQ2 to get my first dual suspension. (Marin Rift Zone)

@jurisx85 Жыл бұрын

Are there any disadvantages on that drivetrain? The SQ3 is just such a better value. I would go for the 1 if I was really broke, or try to make the effort to reach the 3.

@cjohnson3836 Жыл бұрын

I doubt it. The shifting degradation is when you try to pair a shimano hyperglide+ cassette with a non-shimano chain. Suntour has been making parts forever and actually the cassettes for both microshift and box are also rebranded Suntour.

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

@@cjohnson3836 my “microshift” advent 9 cassette in my Kovid Kruiser build was a straight sunrace in a microshift box, not even rebranded.

@jackmast6983 Жыл бұрын

I have the last generation San Quentin 2, and the different components are interesting. It’s nice to see it with tubeless ready tires (unlike last years model). But the switch from an airsprung recon to a coil 35 is strange

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the tires aren't tubeless ready, just the wheels.

@danielvelasquez7708 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I owned the 2022 model still have the recon, dislike the hubs (Loose Ball Bearings) considering Tubeless wheelset with more points of Engagement, & downgrade 11 speed to 9 speed Prime 9.

@califboarder Жыл бұрын

Any chance you will be going over the updated Pine Mountain 2 as well?

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I don't have anything lined up. I'll have to review geo charts to see what has changed.

@califboarder Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty 1/2 degree slacker on the headtube angle, 1/2 degree steeper on the seattube angle, 3.2cm lower stack, 20cm longer reach, and 2cm higher bottom bracket (on the size M). So it seems they heard your critiques about the previous version's lack of reach for use as a trail bike.

@JasonScottCarter Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty half a degree slacker HT angle but same build kit mostly. Don't know if that will make a big enough difference.

@cjohnson3836 Жыл бұрын

@@JasonScottCarter Honestly, I don't think bikepacking focused mtbs should have this aggressive of a HTA. It compromises slow speed steering stability, which is what a lot of bikepacking ends up being.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I think 66* is a great head angle for bikepacking. Remember that they get steeper as they sag, so it'll be closer to 72* at bottom out.

@gwei316 5 ай бұрын

Looks like the 2024 version is back to air spring...

@GSNorrie Жыл бұрын

I dont think more gears is simply better and for a newer rider I think less is a benefit. Ideal for entry level and not just for costing reasons. I was riding a Deore 10 speed for a while and now, on a new bike, I have Deore 12 speed. I have to say I kinda miss the 10 speed. I had the 10 speed Saint shifter and now 12 speed XT, for 4 down 2 up. On the 10 speed I could go from the hardest gear to the second lowest in two sweeps of the lever and have one click in reserve. Perfect when I wasn't anticipating the trail properly, we have undulating terrain here. On the 12 two sweeps takes me to the fourth lowest and three in reserve. 10 was just snappier getting up and down the cassette to where I needed to be when learning.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I agree. It wouldn't sell, but I'd love a wide range 5 speed cassette

@GSNorrie Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty Yeah, that would be an interesting trail drive train. Especially if you could set it up to your own style by picking your favourite sprocket sizes. It would leave room for a more durable chain and cassette too.

@3crowsfarm16 Жыл бұрын

Undulating terrain is hilarious fun on a single speed! ...just don't bring it to a group ride, you will be hated

@jeremyprovonsil7886 Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty all day long with that idea. I singlespeed both my Timberjack and Chameleon, but would love a +/-2 option for when I want to crank down descents or rip it in the straights.

@jeremyprovonsil7886 Жыл бұрын

@@3crowsfarm16 they only hate you because we walk them on the climbs, carry more speed through corners, and never have drivetrain issues that hold up the ride! Hahaha

@athishmarutharaj6001 Жыл бұрын

yea, to make budget QR bikes more capable in the wheel department, Nuke proof horizons come in a 12x142 and 12x115 non boost spacing, u can get QR end caps from nuke proof to make those wheels fit of QR 9X135 frame and 9x100fork, I did this with my bike and I kinda of get sleeper vibes when I look at my bike, I notice the QR and to me that screams budget, but when I ride it, it feels like high end enduro/trail bike in terms of engagment and compliance!

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're digging it. Im not a fan, I wish they'd just all go to their axle. So many friends of mine have gotten into the sport on a qr frame. You can still have fun on them, but it's an Achilles heel that makes a frame less worth investing in for upgrades. I've seen so many qr bikes (mainly roscoes) lose a rear wheel or have it slip under torque. If I hadn't seen it on 10+ rides I wouldn't mention it, but it's absurd how much it happens.

@athishmarutharaj6001 Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty yea i always triple check my QR during and before rides lol

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

I ditched my two year old bike for that reason, I’m a fat bastard but charge hard as I can, it was alarming to hear my rear tire rubbing the seat stay at speed.

@amardeepsinghamardeep4546 Жыл бұрын

I'm from India, that is my dream bike

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

I love that India has Marin love. I saw it on a Fabio Wibmer video. Love from Cali (home of Marin).

@hopdup Жыл бұрын

Esker Hayduke Ti has external cable routing…🤙🏼

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

There's so much about the hayduke to love.

@hopdup Жыл бұрын

@@hardtailparty have you done a recent review? Would love to see one or a build up.

@adlar2005 Жыл бұрын

Matt Jones is alright - But I want to see a Marin Bikes/Hardtail Party collaboration!

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome. I'm looking for the right company to Collab with on an affordable hardtail

@mtb717 Жыл бұрын

Dream bike. Pity that I’m 16 years old and I don’t have money for it 😢

@Cmc7799 Жыл бұрын

Giant Fathom 2 has boost thru axle frame and air fork same price.

@d.christopherhoover6153 Жыл бұрын

See my other comment on this - Steve said they’ve been one of the hardest brands to get in touch with.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's another value value bike for the price. The geo is quite different between the two though

@pauleddy5146 Жыл бұрын

Marin, Polygon and GT are all made in the same factory in Indonesia. The same tech is used in each frame. Geometry is tweaked by the company that orders it. Components are made by separate component manufacturers. My point is this: When you buy a name brand bike, you're buying the frame, made by or for them. The contact points, suspension (or not) shifting and power transmission are someone else completely. When you're buying a frame, do a little research. You can often save money on the house brand of the company that manufactures it. If you want this bike and it's geometry though, it's only Marin. Spec'd by them, so the house brand can't produce the same model rebranded. Marin bikes are typically welter weights. I chose a Polygon for the wife, weight was a consideration. I know most folks know all this, but new riders may not.

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

You make some great points. I talk more about these in my tips for buying a bike video. Many riders just focus on finding the best drivetrain they can for q given price range and totally ignore geometry. I blame a lot of those websites or KZfaq videos that "review" a bike just based off spec. It's a really lazy way to compare bikes and it ignores the most important aspect: frame and geo.

@kenetics1344 Жыл бұрын

Us shorty's can run 200mm droppers now!?

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

The only downside is the way the dropper cable enters the seat tube. It doesn't enter at the very bottom..I'm betting a 175mm dropper is the longest I can fit... See my Maniak to see a 200mm dropper for shorties.

@ssmtb Жыл бұрын

Great, I like seeing budget hardtails on the channel, it's always interesting to see how good the ride quality and geo on these bikes is. Ps. I hate it when companies like Trek/Marin use the same model name for a frame with and without thru axels (they should have something a lot more explicit in the model name to help consumers distinguish them)

@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын

100% agree

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Жыл бұрын

It’s not that hard to read a spec sheet though. I fully understand why they do it, people see Matt Jones shredding a San Quentin and they want what he has, but maybe they can’t afford one of the real models. Maybe they go with another brand instead, so Marin offers a cheap model so kids can say they ride a SQ.