Might as well just install dual function AFCI/GFCI breakers for the whole house and just be done with it.

Seems it would be easier just to list what doesn't need GFCI protection.

Thanks for paying close attention to NEC updates. Very helpful.

The NEC should just make a code change to have every outlet to be GFCI protected. This has gone beyond crazy.

Thank you Ryan for your help and support for all of us Sparkys out here in the field.

I’ve been waiting on these to start coming out from you. I learned so much from the last code cycle.

Love the channel brother. I am a safety manager in the construction industry. Just purchased the 70E book to study. Will need it as we are building a Data center near Dulles airport Va.

Just found your channel! Awesome content! Thank you for taking the time to help us to understand the NEC!!!

Thank you, Ryan for these clarifications. Thank you for what you do for all of us. Its up to us to keep informed. So cheers, from Pennsylvania 👍

Thank you for this summarization! As a DIY homeowner on many projects, i prefer to follow all codes up to or beyond those required in my area, so this is excellent information to help in the "keeping up" process.

Ryan, I just came across your channel. Great teaching. My wife and have low income investment property and always use licensed contractors but sometimes have disagreements on scope. Understanding the new requirements helps me ask the right questions up front and avoid the disagreements. Thank you for the timely teaching. I look forward to watching more of your videos.

Ryan, this is good information. Thanks for helping us electricians to interpret the new code.

Ryan, thanks for the update as always!

Dual function everything. Got it👍

Looking forward to getting the book as I will be testing for JW under 2023 code. As always, love how you keep things concise and clear and use examples from the field. Mike Holt's videos are near unwatchable with all his tangents and fluff. Thanks

Thanks for keeping us informed!

Awesome 2023 start Ryan. Great video.

21:53 The wording was technically correct either way. Previously, it said "indoor damp and wet locations" meaning "indoor damp locations and wet locations". Now it says "indoor damp or wet locations" meaning "indoor locations which are damp or wet". Technically, "damp and wet locations" could be interpreted as either "(damp locations) and (wet locations)" or as "(damp and wet) locations", but as you said, it actually logically does not make sense for a location to be both damp and wet at the same time, so the phrase clearly must be intended to mean the former, not the latter. It arguably still doesn't hurt to remove the ambiguity if possible, though...

I am a Home Inspector in Texas and your photo of the bathroom requiring the bedroom receptacle to be GFCI protected was spot on. I recently inspected a home where the GFCI receptacle was on the left side of the sink while the still plugged in curling iron was plugged in the non-GFCI receptacle. There was nothing plugged into the GFCI so my reasoning was the user of the curling iron was right handed and was more convenient since the GFCI was operating properly. I left the home owner a note explaining the danger but your videos are FANTASTIC and extremely helpful.

Thank you for clearing this up about the bathroom exhaust fans

Great stuff here Ryan, looking forward to your book!

I am an international student studying construction engineer. You are the best person to explain the electrical code Thanks

As always, Amazing video!

The major appliances in my kitchen have been on GFCI for years. Kitchen sink is metal cabinet with stainless top. Appliances are all stainless steel. An older dishwasher I had, caught fire while running. The heating element apparently rusted and leaked, blew up, and blew out almost a foot of the coiled wire without breaking it, against the back of the plastic tub. The tub caught fire, causing molten, burning plastic to drip onto the floor and onto the 1/4 inch nylon water feed to the refrigerator. The plastic tubing developed a pinhole that sprayed water all over the back wall and under the dishwasher. Allowing the dishwasher to finish its cycle without burning my house down. Gallons of water covered the kitchen floor and rained into the unfinished basement. The new dishwasher has a stainless tub and a gfci service switch installed at the counter. My Whirlpool French door refrigerator tripped the gfci receptacle one day. I located the control board and traced the trouble to the ice maker. The heating element developed a high resistance short from hot to ground. The gfci tripped when the ice maker started to eject the ice and powered up the heater to free the ice from the tray to push it out. The gfci saved the refrigerator from damage to the control board and a melted wiring harness. All it needed was a new ice maker.

Nice, so now the 20A breaker for a mini-split is $120 instead of $28... Don't tell me Square D et al. don't have their fingers in the pie that is the NEC...

Outstanding!! Thanks for breaking it down

Great work. Thanks for all the help

10:00 "... it probably isn't adding that much to the cost..." Sounds like politicians -not their money being spent. FACT: a little here, a little there ADDS UP TO A LOT IN THE END. More like manufacturers' lobbying to ADD MORE SALES AND PROFITS..

Great explanation, Ryan! FWIW, the TIA for 210.8(F) shown was for 2020 NEC®; HVAC could not meet THEIR OWN January 1, 2023, so TIAs and/or Appeals MIGHT extend this to 2025 or 2026.

Thank you! Can't wait to buy your book

Sure glad I don't have to worry about codes around here.. I would hate to shell out 3k in breakers just to pass inspection and tear them all out again and replace with normal ones..

On the topic of GFI's for outside units, the "150 V or less to ground' might be mis-interpreted if a unit only has 240 vac feed with no neutral. It does have less than 150v to ground measured from either L1 or L2 to ground but the unit itself only runs on 240vac which is greater than 150v. Further confusing the interpretation is "if supplied by single-phase branch circuit" may be interpreted as 120 vac only branch circuit. I do understand the intent. After several years in my new house my 240 AC sprinkler pump died. When I went to install a new pump I discovered the ground wire was not originally connected to pump motor case. If the motor winding developed a short to case there could have been 120 vac on the case of pump to ground. Same can happen with an air conditioner metal case. The problem with mini-splits and some variable speed compressors is their switching power supplies for three phase inverter VFD have some small EMI bypass capacitors to metal case ground, so they meet EMI (radio interference emissions) specifications. This creates a small amount of current on ground wire that creates the GFI ground fault. Do you really think an A/C service shop replacing an old 240vac outside air conditioner compressor unit is going to get the old non-GFI equipped 240vac feed to outside unit upgraded with GFI breaker in fuse box?

I actually made up an SO cord with cord cap that is 6' long from cord cap face to end of cord for measuring this. I obviously did not terminate the conductors in the cord cap.

Great video thanks for putting in the effort to make it

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

Love the content.. thanks

Super. Back when I first started putting in GFCI outlets, three to five out of every ten I bought were bad or died within a month. Even back then I realized that it was a bad idea to have a GFCI in one bathroom protecting another bathrooms outlet, so I put a GFCI outlet wherever required. $40 each back then, but 100% customer satisfaction. They ought to just make every breaker a GFCI/AFCI mechanism, but if they do, I am going to stock up on regular breakers. 💙 T.E.N. Edit: I just removed the GFCI protection from my refrigerator, and installed separate heavy duty 120 volt 20 ampere NON GFCI/AFCI outlets, one in my garage, one in the hall, and one to the sump pump. Now I just plug the vacuum to the hall outlet, no more refrigerator dying, the sump pump will run until the power dies, and the garage one is for the tools and equipment that don't like AFCI protection, and for my RV, which trips an AFCI breaker, but not a GFCI, which was traced to an in vehicle battery charger. 💙 T.E.N.

It's adding a lot of cost if you already bought the AFCI and now you have to go back and buy a dual purpose one.

I've watched this for 4 minutes. Subscribing, time now.

27:30 without any doubt… those ACs whips are romex from the disconnect to hole in the wall then into 3/4 lfnc to the unit. Romex outdoor. Done here in texas 80 percent of the time 🥴

The commercial kitchen sink at 21:00 is in a stainless frame and counter. Wouldn't that extent the 6' rule as the entire countertop is conductive.

Good stuff, great vid. I wish I got continuing education credit for this, this is better then Jade Learning!

Appears to be conflicting GFCI rules. Great that the GFCI for garage ceiling door opener receptacles must be readily accessible why 700# vending machines must have a GFCI built into cord believe within 18" of the male plug. Problem with that when there are rows of vending machines might need a trained rat to reset cord GFCI without getting a hernia moving machine. Thanks for another great vidio. When we wired in areas with more then 3 or 4 vending machines would try to install a panel nearby with a cover that can be locked to make it easier to secure it reset a circuit breaker.

Not a bad rule about not having to protect ceiling fans with GFCI protection. In my 50 plus years as a sparky never saw the commonest style fan motor , A shaded pole ever short or ground out . Had the exact same type of motor on my early 1960's erector set 120 volt motors. Been years since I took a shaded pole fan motor apart but kinda remember that the enamel motor wire is only in contact with either a maroon fiber material or plastic vastly limiting those motor wire from grounding out.

I agree dual function breakers for everything aside from the circuit the smokes are on.

it's easy to talk about all these requirements like it's no big deal and i understand it all comes down to safety And while i agree with about 98% of the codes some go overboard and are completely unnecessary and juzt don't make sense plus when your a contractor all the constant calls due to nuisance tripping of all these gfci/afci breakers is a serious annoyance, nobody wants to be spending hours every week just driving around resetting breakers because it's amazing how many home owners don't know how to reset these .

Excellent video .

Definitely interesting. I'm not an electrician but in my state the homeowner is allowed to do their own electrical. Always check your state codes. Last year when I wired a minisplit (one that won't work on GFCI) my state hadn't adopted the 2020 NEC yet (whenever I tackle a large electrical project I always check). However they did so on July 1st this year and interestingly they specifically struck out the requirements for GFCI on outlets over 125V. So someone with sway in the statehouse didn't want to get with the times yet.

I've been putting all GFCI receptacles in my own homes since the 90s. I used to use GFCI outlets because they are cheaper. Now I only use AFCI/GFCI breakers in my own homes. It's easier to go to one location to check and reset a circuit then to search behind beds or furniture for the first outlet on a circuit. It will also force you to address some existing wiring problems, if any. Usually its a neutral shared on more than one circuit. In that case the white neutral wire is often brown or even black from overheating.

read 210.8(B)(4) again. it says, ".....provisions for FOOD SERVING, beverage serving, or cooking." Yes, that was a food serving area. Doesn't state whether it's self serving or staff serving. GFCI required.

ALL receps in the kitchen now includes the fridge! That's gonna result in people mad about spoiled food.

Great vid. When u going back on mike holt panel to be in his recordings???

At this point, for dwelling units, it would be more straightforward to list the locations where GFCI is NOT required. I can think of a few, but they require AFCI, so at that point from a cost perspective, you might as well make all 120 and 240V circuits protected with combination AFCI / GFCI breakers.

Great information Sir. Sooner or later every outlet in a home will be GFCI protected. Just wait for it.

Hopefully the cost will go down for the breakers. For my own home, all of my breakers are the dumb style so I was considering swapping all of them and only returning back for the branches with unacceptable nuisance trips. So to get an idea of the cost I looked up the price of breakers at my local big-box store. The price of normal breakers for my box brand were about $7USD. The AFCI for my box brand were about $70USD. That's a full magnitude of order. If (for nice round numbers) I were to replace 10 of them I'd be looking at $700 in material cost alone to replace about $70 worth of breakers as a DIY project. Probably much more to hire a professional (I'm a trained electronics tech, not an electrician).

Hey Ryan, When applying 215.2 (A) (1) (b) for a continuous load, would you do the 310.14 calculations based off 100% or 125% of the continuous load?

This may be borderline but: in (4) buffet serving areas - does the buffet structure include ice wells to hold bottled beverages that may be uncorked and poured at the buffet structure? P.S. Thanks for a great video.

Very informative

You explain things so perfectly man. Mike Holt should take notes from you

I'm an electrical contractor in MN and received an email last fall from of my electrical inspectors with an attachment from NFPA (2023 addition) stating: Reference: 210.8(F) and Exception No. 2 (new)TIA 23-3 1. Revised paragraph 210.8(F) to read as follows: 210.8(F) Outdoor Outlets. (...I'll skip down to Exception 2. ) Exception 2. GFCI protection shall not be required for listed HVAC equipment. This exception shall expire September 1, 2026. Issue Date : August 12, 2022 Effective Date: September 1, 2022

Re the fan, you always install devices per the manufacturers instructions. And assume that they will include the ETL instructions.

Pretty soon instead of a main disco, there will be one GIANT GFCI outlet in an outdoor box. GFCI protected of course.

Yes if the person is "cutting" it's technically preparation. Any short order cooking, such as a pasta/ action station - food that is made to order like an omelette. Even rolling sushi counts

Thanks for taking the time to make these videos for us. They’re Informative and we’ll presented. Tip for your viewers… spa disconnects come with a 50 or 60 amp GFCI breaker at a lower cost than buying the breaker separately. I’ll use those at the HVAC equipment for GFCI protection and the breaker at the panel for overcurrent protection. Especially since 2 pole 20 or 30amp GFCI breakers are turning into unicorns.

Maybe 10 years ago at an IAEI class I questioned the instructor if heat build up with up to 40 AFCI in only a 14.5" wide panel will cause problems. Said UL tested panels with up to 80 AFCI circuit breakers and these was no problem with heat. Hard to imagine that if you have 80 very crowded #12 copper wires on both sides of a narrow panel. ( due to longer breakers ) that heat would build up.

Depending on which state, city, or county you're in all this may or may not apply. If the jurisdiction chooses not to enforce the all of the NEC code AND SOME DO NOT, then it doesn't matter

Love your books! Keep it up Ryan! Great info. What else is new?

I guess if a window cannot be opened it is a fixed barrier?

I replaced an old subpanel next to my main panel with a much bigger Siemens plug in neutral panel, and bought a collection of dual function breakers as well as a few GFCI and AFCI individual ones. I also moved some circuits from the main GE panel to the subpanel as the main panel was maxed out with half size breakers, all of which I removed and replaced the remaining circuits with DF breakers. What I have found is that none of my fridges or freezers (all relatively “quality” brands) like these GFCI breakers. Also my mitre saw cannot tolerate AFCI protection, but its ok with GFCI. So my question is “what, if anything, have appliance makers said or done about the compatibility of their products with these requirements?

Went from gfi for some outlets in kitchen and basement to all in kitchen and basement to afi/gfi circuit breakers. If you are starting to build a new house in 2023, there is not too much more cost and can be passed on to the buyer. If your elect was done in 2016 and you have to bring it up to 2017 and then 2020 and then 2023, it would cost money.

I definitely support the idea of the bath fan being a receptacle I've seen in apartments and what not indoor extension cords plugged into that fan outlet with the fan unplugged. If it were a nonstandard plug that would fix the issue for me but as is someone can actually pull down the grill and plug a lamp into the thing. Gets complicated with fan lights combos though cause your don't want the light going off with a GFCI trip.

To get around the aquarium issue I just use a #8 lug with a 1/4 20 bolt, lock washer, nut and #8 solid copper. The hard part is drilling the hole in the fish.

In your 210.8(B) example with the icemaker, I would argue conservatively that the stainless(conductive) sink table and the icemaker is the relevant measurement. Perhaps even the stainless(conductive) cabinet it sits on. (3 inches?) Another question: these changes seem to include EVSE equipment, which often include GFCI internally. True? Great video, thanks!

Here is the thing and I agree with many we will end up with a panel with all dual function breakers and that is good in that longer term these will result in a safer installation. But here is the thing especially AFCIs in detecting serial and parallel arc requires both circuit design and algorithms to determine that transients and waveform signals are an arc event. Unfortunately with many non-linear loads with power factors less than one will generate transient waveforms that could trip AFCIs. The likelihood of these tripping in a panel in my view is slightly higher as a panel is a hub for multiple circuits feeding in one place and creates more opportunities for arc like noise to propagate as those circuits could feed multiple non-linear loads. I prefer where possible to fit dual AFCI/GFCI receptacles near key loads which are accessible. That way I can re-set quickly if AFCI trips. Microwaves and coffee machines are particularly good at creating arc like signal waveforms. My microwave does trip once every 3-months. Is it a nuisance?Yes it is but with such infrequent trips I can live with it if the result is a safer installation. That being said manufacturers of devices including white goods should be investing more in circuit design and more comprehensive signal and power quality testing to suppress generation of noisy transients. The AFCI devices are improving but it’s unlikely that they could ever filter out the vast number of transients generated by non-linear load devices. When I upgrade my panels in next few years it will be interesting to see how selective coordination issues with multiple dual function devices work together on a circuit. If an AFCI trips at device location would we get double trips one at source and one at the panel adding to inconvenience.? This is where selective coordination will be important. And certainly I want to be able to see trip curves for AFCI devices or at least some other current characteristic curves that allow selective coordination thereby avoiding double tripping. But this then starts to get into a different realm of electrical engineering design and which is most often done in installations where cost of interruption is very high ( ie industrial and commercial settings).

Great video, Nils !!😉👍

I just need to extend a 20A branch circuit from one outbuilding to another (via new underground line) for the sake of adding some outlets in that second building. No water or wet conditions in either building. I'll probably make sure the first outlet in the first outbuilding is an AF/GFCI outlet, I'll use 12-gauge wiring (because of the 20A breaker), I'll probably use 20A outlets in the second outbuilding. I think I'm all set for that, with a little more reading up on whether I need the AFCI feature at all. Now I just need to figure out the whole grounding thing (find out how the existing branch circuit is grounded and if I need additional grounding measures on the extension or just extend the existing ground wire through the new outlets).

Rule the thumb we use here if you can reach a sink with a 6' cord plugged into the receptacle the receptacle it's needing GFCI

I probably won't buy the 2023 NEC anytime soon. In my state (Ohio) hasn't even adopted the 2020 NEC. And there is no date as of yet when it will adopt it. But in Massachusetts (the "do-good" state) the 2023 NEC will come into force right on the first of January 2023.

Maybe we should start doing it like the EU where they have 30mA GFCI protection on the entire house

At the 18:45 mark where you are talking about GFCI where the BUFFET Food is PREPARED at, I can see this like in a HOTEL setting that serves a full breakfast. And you are preparing your breakfast at the buffet. Awesome Instruction 👌

accessible or not, most folks don't know what the buttons even do, and heaven forbid you put it on a breaker in the panel, my experience most folks don't even know where their panel is, I've had to teach so many people how to reset GFCI outlets and breakers. Always happy to do it, but amazed at really how many people just don't know, or care.

This is going to make the price of a job go up think about now how many more of those breakers you're going to need

When I blow dry my hair, I often use the 2 prong in the exhaust fan and stand over the toilet while doing it. They should all be protected. - Home Inspector

Guessing as with all other changes it primarily applies to new construction or remodels, but you mentioned in an example on a multi family dwelling where an AC unit needed to be replaced then the circuit would need to be upgraded to GFCI protection. Does that apply to all appliances? If say, for example, an over-the-range microwave has to be replaced, do you have to upgrade so the outlet is GFCI protected? It's not really a remodel, but it is in a loose definition a built in appliance.

Most microwaves trip afci breakers/protection, many call backs very frustrating

Nice video... Would you do a video on tap rules..

I cant wait to find 2P15A and 2P20A GFCI breakers for outdoor units.

I feel so relieved that the future code hasn’t expanded GFCI protection to closets or walk-in closets. My walk-in closet has all my networking equipment. I recently hired an electrician to install a receptacle in my closet on a new circuit, which I later wired my two other existing receptacles to. The guy who gave me the estimate kept insisting on DF breaker instead of AFCI. He warned me that even though GFCI isn’t required in closets, it will be in the future. But the 2023 code hasn’t expanded it to closets, so I guess they wanted more money from me. Either way, my panel is Cutler Hammer which supports Eaton breakers and their AFCI only breakers aren’t readily available. So I guess Eaton has already made their move to DF everything

But questions I got if you have a older home that don't have them like a 70 's home do I need update or only if I make a major remodel then have to do it and does apply for older Apts to

RV recpticals for most cases are a problem if GFCI protected as most older RV's have neutral and ground bonded due to having a generator. Does this requirement mean the RV has to be rewired with a unbonded neutral?

The NFPA/NEC sell about $100,000,000 worth of publications annually! The NFPA has 600 employees?

I’m kind of surprised that you didn’t list the change to the peninsula outlet requirements. It now has to be on the horizontal surface, not the vertical.

Though supply chain issues are a huge impediment currently when trying to meet these requirements, I have to agree with most. The proliferation of electronic control and switching in utilization equipment is what has driven this. The failure modes of the electronics leads to the necessity for proper bonding and fault protection. AFCI protection is still problematic with electronic control equipment. The original goal of preventing fires due to arcing appliance and extension cords was largely remedied with the receptacle spacing requirements years ago. Failed semiconductors are the big issue now.

ryan, does code prohibit just throwing everything (short of life safety stuff like required egress lighting, sump pump, etc) behind a gfci main breaker?

In your interpretation, does a readily accessible disconnect for a future AC in a dwelling require GFCI since you don’t consider it the outlet? Does the outlet not exist if the AC is not installed?

I’m surprised that ice makers don’t need GFCI. Some have both water supplies and drains.

Fastest way to shut down a GFCI wired house is to plug in a Tesla coil. The RF ground on the secondary is connected to earth ground. The GFCI will sense the RF on the ground and trip. The pickup of the RF on other GFCI wiring acting as antennas will also cause tripping of those circuits. Even the GFCI in the Gas Tube Transformers is a problem. So if your hobby is Tesla coil or other HV device building, you can not have GFCI in the house.

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Are swamp coolers required to be GFCI protected?

2023 NEC is probably going to be adopted in the state where i live in June or July of 2024. still on 2017 here.