Thank you!!

You picked up a great sled!!

These were a spring order only model and they sold out in like 5 minutes.

@@pavmentsurfer13 Yep, we went down to our local Polaris dealership that morning, and were second in line. When we got in the office we were told all the VR1/Assault Turbos, and XCR's were sold for that dealership. Quite upsetting for the line up there.

Don't have a lot of control over those...

It's KZfaq, bud... Not the creator.

Agree, there’s already been a ton of accidents this season due to lack of knowledge

It's a great idea. Something I'll chat with Motorhead Mark about. Our backboard for the show is full, but this could reside on this platform or editorially.

Isn’t that why a person practices personal responsibility and new riders take a course, you want them to make you breakfast too?

Isn't that common sense . It's not for them to push its up to snowmobiles to be responsible

It’s because there are a ton more people on the trail compared to 15 years ago.

Glad you liked it!!

I own a 2022 Renegade 600 Enduro and believe me it's fast...enough.

I totally agree except for a Sidewinder or AC 9000

The way I have fixed the 137 push in the corners is by adding a more aggressive carbide and shortening the limiter strap by 2 holes. If still pushing, try a better ski, SLP power pro. If no push and too heavy steering, put limiter strap to only 1 hole. It will take some testing to figure it out.

@MR Roessma Took the words right out of my mouth.

It's pretty fun. 🤘

Was gonna say the same thing

Like what! It’s a turbo don’t buy it! Get a set of pistons ready for next year.

Long term maintenance and resale is why 4 strokes are better.

Good thread. I just sold my Yam Nytro XTX with a Push Turbo w 9k mile. Was a solid sled if you maintain it. Not exactly lite but it was reliable for a Long time. Now on my Winder. Indy Specialty will have a durability kit out soon for a VR1 boost.

Id like to know how you can make that claim. I wont argue that a 2 stoke is as long term reliable as a 4 stroke. However, I know lots of people who would rather ride a light 2 stroke that will need service VS a heavy 4 stroke that will run forever. To each his own.

That's where it will shine!!

Wait until ski doo comes with theirs xrs turbo. Polaris is very good don't get me wrong. Ski doo will push further. They always do. Also my buddy has vr1 boost. It's not terribly much faster than a regular 850. Maybe due to concerns of reliability? Either way ski doo kills Polaris. Always ahead of the game baby 💪

@@mv3380 You said ahead of the game but you also said wait until ski doo does this. So which is it?

@MV33 You’re a Ski Doo fan. It shows.

I rode it ON a trail. And yes, its tuned for the trail. Unlike many turbos, it doesnt hit stupid hard right where you need linear power on the trail. Its totally controllable.

I would probably kill myself riding this on the trails.

Weights are a little off from published numbers. Indy Boost is only 15 lbs heavier than the Patriot 850 and it is 33 lbs lighter than the turbo R. I get your logic though. 4-stroke is appealing and the Turbo R is a missile.

Price point is close to best available 4-stroke offerings. I agree...buy the 4-stroke!!

snowmobile speedos are notoriously calibrated on the high-side. Not sure a 110 h.p sled has the chops to post a true 120 mph.

Yeah you can say whatever, but I'm the one that's driving it and after the motor blew I put in a 800 motor in that chassis with out changing the gear sprocket and damn that thing move like a fast bullet had lots of goodies for better faster throttle response, V-force 3 reeds,reed spacer big air horn kit took the shelf off the inside of the air box took off my speedometer and put a filter for direct cold air intake, Atac kit, new SPI pistons with the new motor wide bearing kit on the clutch side and a Mbrp race can at sea level wish I never sold it.

Your slowmobile would get eaten alive by a boost, that's all that matters here 🤣

Their marketshare isnt shrinking. But the recalls are not good and whatever is going wrong at the testing level needs to be fixed immediately

@@dirtyfacegeorge9938 ya, nice try

Its a sled for people who like maximum speed. This one just happnes to handle really really well. But I COMPLETELY agree... in the woods, a 600 or 650 is MORE than enough in the hands of good rider.

Not sure what sleds we will get this winter yet. Still kinda waiting for snow...

@@snowtrax yeah hopefully February is good to us

This isnt a heavy sled if thats what your implying. Heavi-ER than a non turbo yes, but light compared to any other turbocharged trail sled.

@709 Rider TCat/Sidewinder are totally different beasts. The 998 is a more powerful engine. But with an incredible power to weight ratio on the boost, you have to have your 4 stroke set up right. In the end the 998 still wins.

Valid concern!

That's where I was at when buying my new sled. I mean this thing is sweet, I'd ride one in heart beat. But I decided to take the weight penalty and go with a Yamacat. A set of SLP Mohawks up front fixed the weight in the powder and it rails the corners. And running 250/275/285 tunes with no issues, I mean I'm sure this is more than fast enough, but we always want to go faster :p

You don't expect a top fuel dragster to last 50,000 miles. Why would these absolutely wrung-out 2 strokes be any different?

@1Kurgan1 Super fast!!!

Love it! EVO vs NEO.

2-stroke triples making a comeback would be awesome

It comes with 2 years and you can buy additional 1 or 2 years on the engine

I think adding some engine CCs would be a better choice since turbos add weight and complexity...900 or 950?

I doubt they'll say anything negative about Polaris

We've covered this editorially on our website. This review was shot in March before any of the recalls so no mention of it here. Check out our website for that article.

@@luke8458 We say negative things when we find them. And yes, the recall issue polaris is having is NOT good. Terrible in fact. I have friends who have purchased new Polaris sleds last season and had nothing but stop ride orders all year and into this year. With that said, Polaris is not the only company who has issues like these, but for some reason theyre the only company doing major recalls and stop ride orders.

@@snowtrax ok. Glad to hear you guys are acknowledging the recalls that are happening with Polaris. Hope to hear about it in an episode, with your relationship with Polaris, y’all might be able to get predictions on the future of Polaris. Hope the snow is flying in your neck of the woods!

@@luke8458 Ahhh there's the Doo queen. I knew I'd find one in here!

Ours hasn't arrived at the office yet and we lost all our snow, but we'll let you know how it holds up this winter...

When will the next asteroid hit? When will the glaciers melt? When will Yellowstone blow?

Can't recall off the top of my head. That's one thing we will do better. We have a scale too so this year we're going to keep track of wet weights and film some speed runs of these sleds.

I think power is only one of the variables pushing people to turbo 4 strokes, long term reliability being the other. I don't think this will put any kind of dent in Sidewinder or even Skidoo 900R marketshare. Personal opinion of course

@@Dixie866 I don't totally disagree with that viewpoint. I do however have to say that when I've compared my 4 stroke repairs to my 2 strokers I come up with some very similar numbers. I have a 800 ctec with 12,000 miles on it right now that is untouched. Wil it go the 100,00 miles that Mr Yamaha did on his Vector? no. But My viper at this point had a top end set and multiple remapping bills. I still very much have a foot in each camp (3 4 strokers and 5 2s) but when I look at things like my cold start issues, bringing battery packs, doing annoying oil changes, heavy front ends that wont come up in the deep stuff (in tight situations) and the extra cost to buy initially I think 2 strokes have made huge strides towards the disappearance of the 4s. All of my 4 strokers have had very early slider wear, skid rebuilds, and are hard on shocks. My ctec is almost as good on fuel as my fuel miser venture and no other sled I'[ve owed could do that. Even expenses that used to be worlds apart like my oil expenses for the year have had the gaps closed big time in the last few years. These 2's have become very impressive.

No... I dont. The price of my dream car is pushing 300 grand. Im not upset about not being able to afford it. The problem is that my dream car doesnt look exactly like my current vehicle. People seem to assume that because one sled looks like another on the outside, it shoudnt cost that much more. But thats not realistic. If fewer people made a huge deal about the price, I wouldnt have said anything. But we get LOTS of messages about the price of top of the line sleds. It gets old very quickly.

Polaris, Ski-Doo, Yamaha, Arctic Cat, Lynx.

@@snowtrax Cool, thanks!

Exactly what I was going to comment!

Scary in the wrong hands I agree 👍 💯 % rode correctly then she's pretty wicked

Stock is key…. Anything tuned with aftermarket parts or programs will outrun a stock sled.

​@@pajamatime5750 Except there are very hard limitations on 2 stroke turbo. With a 4 stroke, you can throw as much boost at it until it explodes and kills you. This happens in top fuel drag cars quite a bit. With a 998 the safe race limits are just south of 340HP. A 2 stroke turbo is very limited because the exhaust port is always open when you're trying to cram in more boost and gas. After 8-10lbs of boost, you start seeing huge negative returns. It doesn't take long, and you would need a garden hose to supply the fuel, and you would start to ignite unburned fuel in your exhaust and melt your sled. The 850 boost is already 3 MPG if you're hard on the throttle. It's the main reason why no manufacture have done a 2 stroke turbo in all these years. Emissions re-burn technology had to catch up before the EPA would allow a 2 stroke turbo. I'm willing to bet unless they start putting valves in 2 strokes (WHICH THEY SHOULD, STIHL does this) you will never see a 2 stroke turbo put up numbers to compete with a 4 stroke.

@@shperax I understand all that. I’m saying Snowtrax is comparing stock for stock when they say the 850 turbo will outrun the heavier 4 strokes.

@@pajamatime5750 The power to weight ratio at stock still favors the YamaCat. It's around 4.16 vs 4.0 so it's very close. We need to see the boys do another lake race video.

@@shperax yeah I’d love to see them go head to head!!

Do you buy a top fuel dragster to last 50,000 miles? Why would this be any different?

@@208SledHead I buy a sled to ride not to fix. That’s why

@@CCH-R Then buy a 550 fan

@@208SledHead or buy a 600 liquid. My firecat has 9500 miles without the motor being touched. Plus the Polaris 550 fans are garbage motors

A lot

Not the first turbo sled to hit the market and there's a lot of modded sleds that put out more power. Bottom line, in the hands of an idiot, stupid thing can happen.

You could say that about any sled, any brand. Idiots will do stupid things.

@@snowtrax They do. Hence the reasons for trail closures. It isn't getting any better. The problem continues to grow. The manufacturers only exacerbate the problems by producing these type of products.

I don't think I'd want a used one lol

all mentioned sleds here are stupid fast.

QC issues need to get under control.

Im just curious why you thought you did HAVE to buy it. No one forced you to. I agree though, the recalls are not good and Polaris needs to address whatever shortcomings theyre experiencing during testing.

Oh you're one of those whose taking the stop ride literally huh? lol

@@208SledHead haha no actually had twenty miles on it bout to go to Michigan to break sled in before going out west to Jackson hole. And wouldn't start brought it in and had recalls done at same time... but somebody I know thru the race circuit in Minnesota here just had their sled blow up due to recall

@@jeremiahjohnson6971 That’s funny. I live in Idaho Falls and haven’t heard of ANY sleds “blowing up.”

How exactly do you know that?

The non turbo won’t even last that long lol

Over 5000 miles on my 850 patriot and still have a one year warranty left....

2-stroke....rebuilding it will never go away!

Most two strokes could use a top end refresh every 4k regudless

@@sorensoneric83unless it’s a old Yamaha triple

Soooo, we shouldn't report on sleds like this? Buddy, we make statements about pricing a lot. You should watch more of our videos and actually visit our website and read our content. Just so we are clear, not everyone can afford this sled, but lots of people can and have pre-ordered this sled. It is sold out everywhere. We also report on value sleds and feature vintage occasionally as well. Let's not judge our entire show based on one test ride you don't agree with.

@@snowtrax Let me apologize if my crappy morning carried over into my message, I should have waited before writing lol. I do watch a lot of your videos, but I don't go to your website very often. I love snowmobiling, and I love new snowmobiling tech. Because I love it so much I want many other people to be able to enjoy it as well. Already I have friends who are curious about it, but don't feel they can afford it. I would hate to see this sport become something that's just for the well-to-do. The more people we can get into snowmobiling, the more money there will be to support trail systems, and the more communities will cater to us in order to earn our recreational dollars. That's why I objected to what seemed a rather dismissive tone regarding people who either can't, or choose not to, pay for the newest and best sleds. I saw a couple of other comments of people who seemed to feel the same way. I hope this gets my point across in a more courteous manner. Cheers.

I actually welcome the statement that this sled is not for everyone from a pricing standpoint, and I'm glad it's being said in a video like this. It's a niche "hypersled" that has a lot of bespoke parts on it. Look up what a turbo kit would cost for a naturally aspirated antyhing (car, sled, sxs... anything), now take that amount and add it to the cost of a non-turbo Matryx 850. The boost will look like a bargain in comparison.

Your missing the point though. There ARE less expensive sleds that these "new riders" can afford and SHOULD buy. What your not understanding is that the very reason those cheaper sleds are SO good these days is because the technology they possess came from previously high dollar, hard to afford, top of the line sleds. Why do you think you can buy an SP in the matrix platform. The first year of the Matrix people complained about how expensive it was. Now, its affordable and everyone can enjoy all the benefits of that platform. If ALL sleds were "affordable" or at least MORE affordable for everyone, theyd all end up being the same. Instead we have the highest end, top of the line sleds that only a few can afford, we have middle of the road sleds that more people can afford and we have entry level sleds that most people can afford and... finally, we have really really great late model used sleds that new buyers can afford. We dont pay for our sleds, but everyone else I ride with does. My best friends all do. And, I dont just snowmobile. I have other sports and hobbies I pay to participate in. Im just like you in those cases and I totally get it. I have to work hard and save to afford the top of the line bicycle I ride. Im not mad about it. Because if I choose not to spend top dollar, there are plenty of great, lower cost options I can choose from.

Nobody is forcing you to buy the top model of snowmobile, guy. If your logic were........logic, automobile manufactures would only sell one line of vehicle and that's it. Rinse the sand out.

ok

Tough to speak for most people but I get your point.

A lot of people aren’t riding at sea level. We have a lot of trails at 4-5000 at 3.3% per thousand that’s a 15% hit.

Except now you have a sled thats illegal in MANY riding areas. You can do alot of aftermarket stuff to alot of sleds to make them faster than this one. But this one comes this way out of the box. And no the stock 850 does not make the same horsepower as a stock turbo at sea level. Not sure where you got that idea.

Yeah, slap a good pipe and can on there and piss off the land owners so the trails get closed...thats the way to go about things

@@pavmentsurfer13 No idea where you got that from either. Clearly I didn't say that.

Hahaha... I hope your being sarcastic.

@@pavmentsurfer13 if not, he is puffin too much green 😂

This isn't the first turbocharged sled to hit the market, but you're right, in the hands of an idiot stupid things could happen.

@@snowtrax No, but its the first 550lb one! hahahaha Idiots are everywhere - just gunna see some extra dumb circus acts out there - more than usual. 🤣

I dont get it. Its like your suggesting that theres never been idiots buying stupid fast sleds. There has, since the beginning. Just like idiots buying stupid fast street bikes, cars, ATVs, SXS etc etc. This sled will not be responsible for any more or less stupid people doing stupid things. If anything, its high price tag will limit the number of stupid people who may be able to afford it. Blaming a sled for snowmobile accidents is the same as blaming the gun for gun violence. They are inanimate objects until a human with a brand chooses to misuse them. We need more responsible people and fewer stupid ones.

@@pavmentsurfer13 sure..we NEED smarter rides…doesn’t mean there are. Agree with many points but I also agree with hypersleds and inexperience is gunna be more of an issue. Whatever…I will keep my 850s for awhile…too many rotating parts in there for a reliable trail sled. Lol

Does anyone need a crotch rocket that'll go 200mph out of the box? No. But they make them. Whether you like it or not, there will always be a market for "better." Get used to it.

Ummm... if your "old" sled is stock... no.... just no.

Nobody cares.

@@208SledHead lol appear fly you do cause you responded