It’s like they are trolling us, the Harman in the x7 ore facelift was crazy loud even at 75% volume

Harman Kardon is really paying attention when they're doing these cars systems, whether other cars sound like dogshit... they literally just have HK badge on them and that's it.

HK systems are usually total shit in cars, but occasionally they do a very good job. It’s really weird how all over the place they are.

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That's the one I'm waiting for.

Well I'm not him but I have. It's better than the old 590w Surround Burmester. Better balancing on the bass note than with the old command system. But the Burmester 3D High-End was different.

Not yet, but I just did the CLE. Coming next weekend, but spoiler alert, it's the least expensive S tier I've tested (not as tested, but theoretically configurable).

he has already

I do agree with you. Part of the rating factors in the price and overall usability and tunability of the system. Yeah a Volvo S60 might sound better, but it doesn't have as good of an interface or as many EQ adjustments. So I think BMW and Harman deserve credit. S- tier

@@DailyMotorSound fair enough!

Will try, but BMW probably doesn't offer this in the media fleet

Ah I didn’t know that’s how it works but thank you! FYI, the HiFi version is also pretty good for base sound system

I wonder if the i4 being electric gives more power to audio

It was a 2023 model. They completely change the sound system in 2024

@@patatr4943 It has changed so much, hasn't it? Thanks for letting me know.

problem with the "regular" bmws is that bmw, since ever, has had the woofers mounted under the seats. In my opinion, it's a dumb way to do sound systems in cars. Human voices can get as low as woofers need to reproduce them, now how will the frequency travel through my butt, lol. It just happens that some of the best factory systems always have had door woofers and an external sub for optimum acoustics

@@v12-s65 yeah I did the Bavsound underseat woofers as well, marginal improvement. The HK amp only being 464W doesn’t help either

@@v12-s65 Underseat midbass is actually much better than doors. They don't suffer from the common 70 and 150Hz room modes and provide a less resonant mounting...something vital to speaker performance. The issues with previous Harman systems lie with: 1. power 2. tuning 3. speaker choice. The passband of an underseat woofer is low enough to pass through the seat fine, The worse speaker location is the door midrange, which plays frequencies altered by your knees/pants. Also, these past systems did not have a subwoofer, meaning the underseat was expected to handle below 60Hz...that just doesn't work. The speaker will struggle, and distortion will rise. Also, if the speaker is cheap, lacks power, or has significant distortion (itself, or in the processing chain) the system will sound poor. In the past, sound systems were less of a draw for vehicles. As prices increase, and standard brands (Honda, Mazda, Toyota) provide more competitive options, luxury manufacturers are forced to spend more on sound systems. They provide Harman a larger working budget, meaning: - speakers that cost more than a dollar to make, - more input on speaker location (like Mazda with Bose in the latest 3), - better damping materials and absorbers to reduce panel resonance, - and most importantly, more seat time.

@@mouthies3 why does bowers and wilkins do such an amazing job with door woofers? I‘m sorry I just can‘t share the same experience even though they are supposed to be „better“. The speakers are fair enough of quality.. it‘s mainly a tuning issue and it misses a real sub, better placement. My old Meridian in the L405 was a superb sound system with door woofers and the mid ranges were paper cones, not the kevlar ones. The sub was located in the floor, but it had its own box, not integrated into the chassis. With a budget they made it sound very pretty. The woofers from h/k are supposedly capable from as low as 20hz. Same with my burmester surround. Bass still rubbish

@@v12-s65 No worries! We all have different experience and references when it comes to audio. Especially car audio considering the amount of variables involved. To comment on the Bowers and Wilkins, we have to first quantify what "amazing job" means here. To me, an amazing job means the vehicle can compete in EMMA and achieve reasonable scores without modification. To my knowledge, no OEM has been able to do so. There are vehicles that may replace OEM speakers then add their own amplification, tuning, and source which do fairly well. However, these systems tend to come with great factory locations (e.g. Mercedes firewall midbass), and great tuners. Some manufacturers can do doors well, like Audi in the previous a6. They utilized inject molded ported boxes that when damped, significantly reduced door resonance, allowing the sound (vibration) to come from the transducer and not the door internals, shell, and card. Regarding your L405, I'm sure it sounded great, but that is mainly due to system cohesion (perhaps some rose-tinted glasses too). If you mute all other speakers, the doors will reveal all of the uncontrolled sound they tend to always produce. Also, paper or kevlar...some of the best speakers in the world are paper, it really isn't as simple as cone material. Lastly, the woofers do not play to 20Hz. That's either marketing magic, or a fib. In a built SQ system, the underseat woofers (with enough breathing space) should play LR24 60-150Hz and the midranges in the doors must be able to play low enough to blend. With a sub that is in time and phase with those woofers (most important to me), you'd have a system that can blow most if not all OEMs out of the water.

Well sound is kind of subjective, If you really want good Midbass and deep Bass response you have to go for an aftermarket system.

To each their own, I actually love the design! 😊

@@stealthis What is it that you like about it? Is it because it's in a BMW or do you actually like the screen? In other words, if that exact design was on the dash of a Ford, would you still love it? Personally, I find that it's design doesn't flow well with the rest of the interior. It has sharp ancle corners that look out of place in any vehicle. Lastly, if you look at it from outside the front widndshield, you clearly see a bracket looking part on the back passenger side. It looks like they designed the screen and when the finished product came out, the screen was wobbling and not secure. So someone just made a bracket that looks like an afterthought.