2024 Ford Mustang GT vs 2023 BMW M2, closer than you think. Drag and Roll Race. Join this channel to get access to perks: / @samcarlegion
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@samidarwish866 ай бұрын
Bmw doesn’t lie about horsepower figures, they just always forget to write wheel before hp.
@BeamerTime3544 ай бұрын
That is such a true statement. I own a 22 x5M and all the mustangs and chargers around here won’t race me anymore 🤣.
@tommackay64756 ай бұрын
Sam never seems to estimate the gap very well, it's always "about a car length" but even if he's using a cadillac from the 1960's to measure his car length it still doesn't compute.
@toddstevens85066 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's not a very well organized channel, but the matchups are interesting, which is why I watch it.
@cstraley6 ай бұрын
Agree that 2 to 3 car lengths lol.
@motaz19756 ай бұрын
ya Sams version of a car length is a bus length anywhere else lol!
@eyesofadonai6 ай бұрын
What about a box car?
@MidnightAspec6 ай бұрын
That turned out EXACTLY as expected.
@mikeyinid6 ай бұрын
Yea, he needs to work on his naming for videos.
@Mr.Helper.4 ай бұрын
Dam … are bummers that much faster
@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbagsАй бұрын
@@Mr.Helper. yes that’s the cheapest m car
@nalonb94046 ай бұрын
Mustang needs a driver mod. Dude shifts slower than a 70’s automatic
@valetudo19766 ай бұрын
"I was behind you by maybe a car" lol. That was at least 3 car lenghts.
@MrFpsdestroyer6 ай бұрын
I said the same thing, I was like it was literally 3-3 1/2 cars lengths, I watch a lot of 1320 videos and I'm pretty damn close to what they call on their races
@twany4426 ай бұрын
He can't shift
@amiller21216 ай бұрын
As Jason Cammisa said, the M2 has a monster third gear. It just starts to walk the Mustang at that point.
@hondacar6 ай бұрын
"Closer than you think" Really? It didn't look that way to me. It looked like the M2 convincingly trounced the Mustang. The M2 would've probably beaten the Dark Horse Mustang.
@cstraley6 ай бұрын
The performance pack mustang and the darkhorse have a more aggressive 3.55 rear end for better results in races like this. This is a base GT.
@bobby39146 ай бұрын
Maybe the Buttstang driver needs glasses and needs to take his dumb dark sunglasses 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
@alexl.1026 ай бұрын
1-2 car lengths is pretty close to me. They shouldve compared the m3 to the mustang.
@yagamikiralight88056 ай бұрын
Jason Cammisa has raced the M2 vs the dark Horse , the M2 just walked away from the mustang
@junitoss836 ай бұрын
Yes it would. People can’t stand to watch the beloved mustang get its ass kicked. The Mustang crowd is tough to deal with lol
@hammad_r76 ай бұрын
Can't go wrong with any of these but damn that beamer smoked the stang.
@dannybeem73776 ай бұрын
That's spelled 'bimmer'
@ltsAnthony6 ай бұрын
The mustang guy was trash at shifting wdym
@daviskalvans43046 ай бұрын
@@ltsAnthonythe M2 brutally pulled away even in the rolling races, shifting does not matter there anymore.
@msrr81515 ай бұрын
@@ltsAnthonyGod could come down to drive the GT and an M2 would still spank it.
@gigi6512 ай бұрын
@@ltsAnthony hagerty made a video of m2 smoking dark horse soo...
@mholmes92626 ай бұрын
I thought it might be closer than this with the NA Mustang getting a slight jump at the beginning of each pull but the BMW literally has no lag. Amazing.
@jgaines32006 ай бұрын
There is a little lag but yes it does build boost pretty quickly as long as your at 3k rpm or higher.
@mholmes92626 ай бұрын
@@jgaines3200 They should include no-launch drag race to show how they perform in normal driving. LC is cool for bragging rights but if you use it all the time in daily driving you will a) look like a complete idiot and b) wear out your transmission a lot faster. That's why I chose c) Tesla M3P lol.
@asianpower30006 ай бұрын
Really wish more channels would do just Autos vs Autos. This along with the Hagerty video has both m2 and mustang with manuals. I think the m2 would still edge out but an auto will test how well the car performs not how well the driver performs.
@frustratedmillennialz6 ай бұрын
Agreed. There's just so much room for driver/operator error. As the old saying goes, the best mod is a driver mod. A better comparison would be if they switched cars every other test.
@Eugen-E6 ай бұрын
Whould be interesting a race between current gen Mustang GT vs previous gen, both manual vs manual and auto vs auto.
@SamCarLegion6 ай бұрын
Coming up
@Bimmer_Bill6 ай бұрын
Yes
@javyramirez97346 ай бұрын
He sucks ar driving so doesn’t matter 2nd gear for 32 mph roll
@liamkneeson88666 ай бұрын
Great video as always
@doorkicker85076 ай бұрын
Went as expected
@speeddemon3116 ай бұрын
Damn that bimmer was gapping that stang big time!
@rastaph6 ай бұрын
The GT needs the performance package which bumps the rear diff gears from 3.27 to 3.73s. That's why the gears are so long in that GT.
@mattp36026 ай бұрын
Exactly and it would have been closer race.
@pjsanab4 ай бұрын
the automatic transmision dark horse could have beaten the M2.
@Idk9102 ай бұрын
@@pjsanab auto dark horse cost more than an M2... I priced both out as options on my next car for when I move back home to the US next year from my job in the UK (currently have a 2020 Audi RS Q3). M2 fully loaded was $76k and Dark Horse was $81k. The M2 is a million times better looking than the Dark Horse on the inside and gets a carbon roof.
@Koishishibaman16 күн бұрын
Even with the 3.73 rear end the gears are too long. Not sure if they have changed the gears in the 24 cars My 2015 pp1 had short gears. Perfect! My 2019 Bullitt has super long gears. Not a good thing for drag racing. On a twisty road it does work . 2nd, and 3rd gears on the corners. Mine has magnaride with Ford racing m 9602 m suspension. Handles.
@DailyDownshift6 ай бұрын
Always a pleasure coming out and racing some American foes haha, great video! Cheers
@mikeyinid6 ай бұрын
"I wasn't to far behind maybe about a car". Literally had him by 2-5 depending on the race.
@sirprince8886 ай бұрын
The Ultimate Driving Machine.
@kevintran9636 ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsupl5CoxLWwkXk.html
@freddarau5 ай бұрын
Ultimate heavy-weight champ, 3800lbs pos boat. Modern BMWs suck balls.
@deluxsound1235 ай бұрын
mustangs are driven by flag waving american idiots. M2 ALL DAY!!@@freddarau
@40nine99Ай бұрын
@@freddaraureally 😂..cause those new beamers with the B58 beats a lot of those also heavy muscle cars
@araa9676 ай бұрын
id be curious to see how it went with a better manual driver on the stang
@sircefiro6 ай бұрын
I'm not a major fan of the late model screen dash setups, can't see them aging well if any of these cars become classics. Seems like a lower ratio diff in the stang be better.
@salninethousand24966 ай бұрын
Uff da that shifting...
@PatandDoopypoopy6 ай бұрын
Wow. The beamer kept walking throughout. I thought maybe the stang would creap up at higher speed. Didn't appear so. Neat cars. Both haul the mail.
@moescolla6 ай бұрын
Nice match up
@TheSbh20106 ай бұрын
“A car length” more a like a bus length 😂
@supitk6 ай бұрын
They both shift so slow 😢😅
@frustratedmillennialz6 ай бұрын
Bro I'm saying...the lurching on the GT was soooo obvious from the outside perspective...
@derekdavis83406 ай бұрын
The M2 dust-tanged that Ford as expected.
@johnm51316 ай бұрын
nice rims on that M2
@LamannaGarage6 ай бұрын
Yea the s58 is just a monster plain and simple. The last of the greatest petrol engines ever potentially.
@davidhavard19086 ай бұрын
Well for sure all M cars are 50 to 60 hp underrated. Seen stock numbers.
@jbrewster61756 ай бұрын
BMW at it again with their underrated horsepower numbers. That M2 is over 500hp for sure. They rate the M8 competition at 617 hp, it weighs well over 2 tons and can run a 10.7 1/4 mile....617 hp, maybe at the wheels...lol.
@adriank96 ай бұрын
Mustang GT no progress since 2015. Just the different look.
@oscarmusowoya96196 ай бұрын
Nothing like a pure classic manual drag race 👌🏿 absolutely lovely this 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@georgestam17106 ай бұрын
Love the fact that you are black, and also use black emoticons 😂😂😂
@agustinmego54806 ай бұрын
That guy with the m2 I think they have a tuned s4. You should definitely do some videos with that car seems super dope!
@jonwear97916 ай бұрын
The M-2 got more horsepower than 453Hp and torque for sure.
@walkemdown41276 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure they dyno at 460 to the wheels, super underrated. That’s more like 540 crank than 460 crank lol
@Ambient-Drive6 ай бұрын
Yeah, BMW and Porsche always quote wheel HP
@wadysawsowinski99104 ай бұрын
As well as mustang got less hp than on papers for real. And this race is the proof.
@sabelonkabinde86156 ай бұрын
I'd like to see this m2 and a fully stock m2. I want to see the difference. Thanks
@TheMeanmarine136 ай бұрын
I feel like a dad trying not to root for his favorite kid LOL. I have a soft spot for both of these vehicles.
@mthusiastmedia97826 ай бұрын
Dang. I'm a BMW guy with a X3M with the same S58 and a F82 M4 and I'm still shocked. Thought this woulda been a little closer lol. Great match up though.
@StanMarshImporskilldomestic5 ай бұрын
The better car from the better make won
@cease198115 ай бұрын
For the love of god can we see the cars going down the strip instead of a few seconds of take off, it just feel like I’m watching the grass and trees out the side window instead of the cars 😂
@Josseffuss6 ай бұрын
1 Canadian car length = 3 US car length
@jean-philippebelisle255221 күн бұрын
What is the weight of both cars ?
@wolfdna7884 күн бұрын
I love watching these. Just a man doing what he loves.
@drunkinmaster16 ай бұрын
Makes sense Ford over rates HP, BMW under rates HP
@alpe62286 ай бұрын
That m2 is so fast,it clearly put out way more power than advertised.
@johnwick59186 ай бұрын
On the add they said 460 hp but they didn’t what, but Tunner have found out it’s 460 wheel not crank
@WindyCity19926 ай бұрын
477.68 whp. Highest dyno ive seen
@alpe62286 ай бұрын
Its either that or that 5.0 doesnt put out the power Ford is claiming.Im leaning more towards the latter.@@johnwick5918
@2seep6 ай бұрын
They put exactly as advertised. The difference is that bmw measures wheel horspower. All naturally aspirated cars measure bhp because their power outputs are low. They use it as a redemption.
@ITRIEDEL6 ай бұрын
@@2seepBMW doesn’t measure WHP.
@Spoolingturbski6 ай бұрын
Why don’t you switch drivers as well because you’re driving manuals. It would help solidify the results further. Because I promise you if you put a professional or someone who knows how to shift, it wouldn’t matter which car they were in, they’d win.
@shaunshaifer31886 ай бұрын
Should have started in 1st gear on the low speed run and pro6on the 2nd roll as well.
@ahmedchannel6386 ай бұрын
Bmw❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@sergiopiparo40846 ай бұрын
It’s not the car it’s the driver 😊
@thatr34monster496 ай бұрын
Of course it is 😂😂😂 make more excuses 😂😂😂
@speeddemon3116 ай бұрын
Cope harder!😄
@james215RC6 ай бұрын
Granny shifting the mustang a bit. Lol
@Bmfrafa5 ай бұрын
Yo, you can’t compare this 2 cars, they are different in all aspects. I love Bms and I own Mustang Gt. These are completely different rides guys. At the end of the day every product will find its customer. ✌🏽
@rickdawson12166 ай бұрын
The g87 is a beast. Check out Hagerty. Where they put up the M2 versus Dark horse and Supra and the lotus Emira. M2 smoked them all.
@user-dd9tc4zz8jАй бұрын
That depends upon what you thought.
@esteemedenergy6 ай бұрын
Fords are lucky to get what Ford rates them at, even their trucks. BMW, on the other hand publishes wheel horsepower as crank, so that M2 is closer to 440hp.
@hidsak70426 ай бұрын
Hope race with M2 8AT gear (not 6MT) due to advantage of very fast shift change.
@TylerLakers236 ай бұрын
No matter how you drive it the M2 is a better car on the street and track.
@jgaines32006 ай бұрын
Mustang never stood a chance. The M2 hp rating is what it makes to the wheels. At the crank it’s making well over 500 horsepower easily. Based on the dynos on the M2 even if you gave it only 10% drive train loss it still puts it over 500 hp.
@alengreen5896 ай бұрын
the Mustang engine has power from 5000 - 7500 rpm, the BMW from 2500 - 7000 rpm and the BMW has more torque across the entire speed range and thats why the beamer wins.
@Eugen-E6 ай бұрын
False. 1. BMW underrates their engines = it has more power than advertised. 2. The M2 in this video has aftermarket lighter wheels. 3. Mustang has longer gear ratios. 4. The M2 (officially) has 406lb-ft from 2650 up to 5870rpm and max power 453hp at 6250rpm. Only big diesel semi trucks have max power at 2000rpm. 5. When racing from a roll, the engine is in the high-rpm range, so the maximum torque (what happens under ~4500rpm) does not matter. Matters only the power between max and min rpm between shifts (like 5000-7000rpm). Higher power across the rev range is because of the higher torque in this rev range. :)
@alengreen5896 ай бұрын
@@Eugen-E thank you
@brockdez12596 ай бұрын
Came here to say this 100%
@speeddemon3116 ай бұрын
@@Eugen-E wrong my B58 makes full torque from 1520 rpm, and that's because it's a single twin scroll turbo setup!
@Eugen-E6 ай бұрын
@@speeddemon311 No it does not )) go on a dyno and you'll see. The majority of stock 3.0L diesel passenger cars does not have full torque under 2000rpm. And he didn't even say torque. He said the power is from 2000rpm.
@jp23x6 ай бұрын
Hmm were shifts clean in the mustang? Everytime he shifted the m2 jumped ahead. Anyway we gotta wait for the gen 7 refresh to see any improvement over the gen 6
@christianxc986 ай бұрын
Yea auto would’ve been better shifts were bad I noticed it in both races as soon as he’d shift he’d lose a lot of space against the m2
@jp23x6 ай бұрын
yea the car bogged big time on every shift. i thought it should have been a closer race@@christianxc98
@patc86536 ай бұрын
Jason Camisma did a video of the Dark Horse 6MT vs the M2 6MT.. the Dark Horse got gapped. So the Mustang GT even with perfect shifts wouldn't do so well.. M2 is just faster.
@jp23x6 ай бұрын
hm i saw that video, now i remember being disappointed with the dark horse. I don't remember the shifts being bad though. Maybe the outcome would have been the same as you say@@patc8653
@mattjones13786 ай бұрын
Needs a driver mod. Put derek baran productions or ydbt in the driver seat.
@SuchFinessse3 ай бұрын
I didn’t think this would be close…
@kyoakland6 ай бұрын
Didn't look that close
@yanick86336 ай бұрын
As expected
@donnysmith71626 ай бұрын
The automatic mustang is one second faster, so it would absolutely blow the BMW out of the way as you don’t expect
@yanick86336 ай бұрын
And an automatic M2 would smash the mustang. What's your point?@@donnysmith7162
@eluvfm5 ай бұрын
Think you shifted a little early my guy. suggestion that you power shift the Stang
@rlstang72766 ай бұрын
Ford says it is 486 hp but on the dynos it is 398hp
@SamCarLegion6 ай бұрын
Of course
@kel20246 ай бұрын
486 = flywheel horsepower, which is how most/all manufacturers list power. 18% drivetrain loss = 398 wheel HP… so their listing is dead on. BMW is known for doing the opposite and listing wheel HP so it appears unusually fast “for the power” since people assume it’s less. At the end of the day 2 car lengths each race is the diffference in gearing and weight. Let’s put the base mustang against a regular 2 or 3 series (non M) and see the difference. Good race Sam, and good shifting.
@S8ER6 ай бұрын
@@SamCarLegionthe KZfaq crowd is full of scholars who think BHP is somehow measured on a Dynamometer. 😂 😂
@arivega13122 ай бұрын
That mustang needs a 4.09 diff gear to have a chance, or FI. and that will be my next mod! Gearing is everything!supension also helps, you can see the shifts on the mustang, lol. Thanks Sam!
@G82Watts5 ай бұрын
M2 also beats the dark horse by a bus length on Hagerty channel
@SirJamesTND4 ай бұрын
Just my two cents. In the beginning I wouldve placed the specs above the respective cars instead of flipped.
@chrisparish46686 ай бұрын
Sorry ford BMW is fast
@jimmybraden33346 ай бұрын
Hmm I just watched the Alfa Gulia vs zl1 and it was 11.9vs 11.6 and they were only a 2 cars difference. And this is .2 difference and they aren't in the same frame together? Seems strange, but I guess the camera is closer hn this video..
@losttyrant74823 ай бұрын
One thing I noticed, on the rolls the bmw was already giving it some gas before the cones
@Vapor_S6506 ай бұрын
I wonder how the 10spd would've done
@Bimmer_Bill6 ай бұрын
The 8 speed auto in the m2 is way better matched with that twin turbo six. Results would have been even worse for the Mustang.
@markrodz26334 ай бұрын
bro really wanted to sell us this gt because now he regrets the dark horse order. lol
@patmason72766 ай бұрын
Looked like someone was holding back.
@gregogreg1006 ай бұрын
Would love to see how the nismo version of the z does against these 2 if all had auto versions for no driver error issues.
@walkemdown41276 ай бұрын
Honestly it’d get gapped. At least by the M2, they’re massively underrated as per usual from BMW & are actually making ~460 wheel stock. The 5.0’s making ~400 whp, & the Nismo Z is probably making high 300’s, low 400’s to the wheels I’d imagine
@patc86536 ай бұрын
100% confident the Nismo has no chance against the M2 especially with its slow shifting Automatic. Might have a closer race with manual but I'm certain the Nismo will get gapped as well.
@mikedenkinger95706 ай бұрын
That new Z would get beaten by an M240i as well.😊
@onealc92786 ай бұрын
Have you seen the new Z win a race?
@gregogreg1006 ай бұрын
I ask because he did the regular z vs. Mustang, it kept up(kinda). I'm curious to see if the small bump in power from the nizmo could pull it ahead of the Mustang.
@waltscrossfiresrt66 ай бұрын
I don't see what sam see but i see at least a 3 car gap thats huge sounds somewhat mustang bias but thats no where near a car gap on the roll races
@mototodd6 ай бұрын
You need to do the automatics to take the human out of the equation a little more
@jgaines32006 ай бұрын
I think the M2 would just gap it even more.
@mototodd6 ай бұрын
@@jgaines3200probably. I had a m340i and now a mustang GT. Even though on paper the 0-60 is the same I would choose the m340i in a street race because with the x drive and launch control it will launch perfectly every single time. Now you put a drag radial on the mustang and go to the track and it’s another story.
@G.M850076 ай бұрын
Do s550 be s650. Im sure you'll be surprised!
@SamCarLegion6 ай бұрын
Coming up
@G.M850076 ай бұрын
@@SamCarLegion sweet thanks !!
@toddsamjr7454Ай бұрын
I love mustangs and I also love BMWs. With that being said I don’t think people are giving the mustang enough credit. A base 5.0 is around 40-43k and a base m2 is around 63-65k. The fact there is a 20k difference and mustang is close is pretty impressive in my book.
@madpistol21 күн бұрын
"It's a fair-ish race." The M2 has an S58 motor... it is not a fair race.
@jdubt80466 ай бұрын
That wasn't close at all.
@curtdragon6 ай бұрын
Can we do this but add in an RS3 and all autos?
@nhlanhlamagagula74676 ай бұрын
RS3 will beat them to 400 yards then M2 will pass... RS3 is AWD an M2 is RWD
@nathandavis-montgomery6884Ай бұрын
Being the same weight as an M2 is criminal
@BOOSTEDDUDE6 ай бұрын
Whoa! That M2 was moving. Great showdown and thanks for Boosting my Day. 🚀
@TheZubiiiii6 ай бұрын
Do Lexus is350 vs accord 2.0t
@kylerichard11856 ай бұрын
I believe this could’ve been set up better. The mustang is a base without a pp. pp has a much better rear end gear for pick up. This is clearly a short rear end meant more for highway driving. Should’ve had a pp mustang to make this a fairer fight
@terrelltaylor16416 ай бұрын
Everytime the mustang shift it looks like it's money shifting 😂
@ronniebarksdale85286 ай бұрын
Need to put someone in the Mustang that can drive. You changed the gears like you were on a Sunday drive. You only floored the Mustang a couple times. Also you never should let off the gas when shifting gears.
@jamesbarbato21926 ай бұрын
Looks wise I’ll take the Mustang any day also sooo much sounds better
@Bernardjoon6 ай бұрын
The interior just doesnt fit it idk why
@Dayz3O66 ай бұрын
alot of hooligans in US love to drive that car.
@habimaelmunoz57946 ай бұрын
With All respect you need a class of shifting my friend 😂😂😂😂 no offense just a fact 🥴🤪👍
@thatr34monster496 ай бұрын
Blaha blahh blahh take like a man mustang got walked 😂
@christianxc986 ай бұрын
@@thatr34monster49you can literally see every time he shifts the mustang loses so much space moron open your eyes and quit being ignorant
@christianxc986 ай бұрын
Auto would probably be a closer race I notice every time you shift you lose a lot of space during the race
@blackfish46746 ай бұрын
Yea auto vs manual. Auto vs auto m2 would destroy this and dark horse handedly
@Deatomizer4 ай бұрын
Always loved the Mustang but that little M2 is a rocket.
@samidarwish8628 күн бұрын
BMW: confusing rwhp with bhp since WW2
@KLRGT500KR6 ай бұрын
The stats are cr*p. Mustang GT was recently weighed at 4025 lbs by Caranddriver while the BMW M2 was weighed at 3900 lbs in a recent test
@ianpilip2695 ай бұрын
The result was obvious before the video)
@gogz19812 ай бұрын
I know the purists will hate this, but don’t get the 6MT Stang for racing, 10A all the way…much better performing
@Levente206 ай бұрын
the S58 is like a bully to all cars .
@stelongy16 ай бұрын
Wow the M2 absolutely mullered the Mustang
@GamingWitRad5 ай бұрын
20lb difference is crazy I thought the M2 would’ve been a lot lighter then the mustang. But of course the M2 wins
@user-ix3fd5vx5t6 ай бұрын
Now the same bmw vs 10r80
@yeetus596 ай бұрын
Ok if the bmw had ZF 8 speed it would still smack a 10r80. It would be the same result. No shit the 10r80 would be faster than a manual.