junk the harley

4.7 inches is all you've ever needed.

Well I got it now lol

@@johnnyg8548 sick, how do you like it so far?

@@Astrothunderkat its a super light bike. I ride like I stole it. I’m having a lot of fun and riding 6-7 days a week. Taking advantage of the Florida weather. With that being said, I see the need for a 650+ if you want to be more maneuverable on the highway.

The CBs are called 500, so they're not going to let Honda one upping them in marketing.

Cb’s are 471cc much more tolerable. No one’ s hating on Honda for that but everyone thinks kawi is in the wrong. 451 is a 450 sorry kawi. You messed up

It's entirely common that motorcycles are NOT named by their actual engine displacement. It's not a Z950, it's a Z900. It's not a Z450, it's a Z500. It wasn't a Ninja 296, it was a Ninja 300. Honda calls it a CB500F... the engine is a 471. Honda calls it a CBR300R.... the engine is a 286. Kawasaki says ZX-6R. It's a 636. Kawasaki says Ninja 1000SX. It's a 1043. Kawasaki says Ninja ZX-14R. It's a 1441. Aprilia calls it a Tuono 1100. The engine is a 1077. Suzuki calls it an 8S. The engine is a 776. Suzuki calls it a GSX-R1300R Hayabusa. It's a 1340. Yamaha calls it a T7. It's 689. Yamaha calls it a MT-09, it was an 847 and now an 890. Triumph calls it a Speed Triple 1200. The engine is a 1160. Don't get me started on the KTM stuff with all their stuff at 390, 690, 790, 890, 990, 1090, 1190, 1290, 1390. This stuff has been going on for a VERY long time.

That's exactly what I was thinking!!

@@exothermal.sprocket yes and all those bikes listed is exactly why the new z500 should not be named as so. And should have stuck with the z400 name. It makes sense to name the bike after its close cc not exact. Most of those bikes have higher cc than the actual name and the bikes that have lower cc than the name is at least close. The only one out of all the bikes listed that makes no sense is the z500.

my perspective may be skewed because mine is an older model with knobby tires but a KLX250 is pretty miserable above 55. it's shaky and wrung out at 60+ and feels like a strong wind could blow you off the road

I owned a 2020 KLX250 and while it was fun, it just didn't have much power, even at low speeds. The 300 is a little better in that regard - more torquey. As the other comment says, you really don't want to be out on the highway for long on one of these. Oh yeah, the seat is an absolute plank. Like sitting on a 2x4. But you can definitely have fun on the KLX, it corners like crazy, and you can jump curbs and stuff. I loved how light and narrow it was by street bike standards. Just don't expect lurid power wheelies. I would have been very happy to have either of those as my first street bike.

Def the z!

Z500 will be a lot more practical- however the klx 300sm might be the way to go if you are going to be popping wheelies

Go ride any KLX250/300- they have zero power. If anyone argues that, they’ve never ridden one. The Z400 is the best small bike, even better than this “new” 500. The KLX just makes noise, but it can’t get out of its own way. Trust me.

Really??? I’m 6’3, ride a z400 and am very comfortable on it other than the cheap seat it comes with. The Z900 seat height difference and general ergonomics compared to the z400 are minimal at best so it wouldn’t make a difference to me anyways. For some people it might, considering the extra thousands they will pay to gain an extra half second going 0-60, and an extra 25mph top speed that they will never do anyways lol. The Z400 is the most fun I have ever had on a bike.

​@@xDRAGOSLAVxDo you have to take breaks on it, or can you ride it comfortably for a while? Im about 6 ft tall, and I want to get started on my motorcycle journey on a ninja 500. Thanks!

You can hope so

Same engine but not the same tune, Eliminator doesn't rev as high (assuming Ninja 500 and Z are the same)

How much higher can you really go with a small P-twin? The Eliminator's peak power comes in at 7500 so redline is probably like, eight right?

@@smeghead765 iirc it's 10600 vs 11300

Same, but the instrument cluster put me off to be honest

Exactly. Besides, the instrument cluster just looks better

Some people never stop talking, not just women either..

Hell no. If you're going 600cc or higher, you might as well go for something with better figures. The z650 is just not worth it

@@Rafael-fo9spworth it to me

It depends on your riding style and where you ride. Some people value light weight. If I was going “full size” I’d skip all 180° parallel twins.

Z650 is so boring compared to the rest of the 700 twin class

Not everyone buys bikes to go fast on highway. The z400 is great for city riding.

Kawasaki 650 is a old and lame engine

@@joekavalauskas8767yeah Kawasaki range starts at z900

Emissions

@@Hailnutyep that’s it.

@@Hailnut so a flash

7 horsepower increase do your homework.

@@SPMiller 💩 pooping before a ride equates to the same

Like 115

You can always get the standard version - doesn't come with the windshield nor the belly pan

650 is a good bike but 50 lbs more

The 650 isn't worth it when there's 650/700 cc bikes out there doing way better numbers. If you're trying to go that big, at least make the specs worth it

@@Rafael-fo9sp Depends on your use case. N650 doesn't have the peak power of the RS660, but the N650 comes off the bottom stronger with shorter gearing too. With 420 lbs and a softer suspension, it was clearly aimed at commuting.