2024 Kramer GP2 890RR First Ride Review

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11 ай бұрын

There's something special about riding a motorcycle like the 2024 Kramer GP2 890RR. Kramer only makes purpose-built track bikes and the 890RR is its best creation yet. With an upgraded 890cc parallel-Twin punching out 138 horsepower, sleeker, more aerodynamic bodywork, and a Mectronik ECU with six-axis IMU giving the full array of rider aids, the GP2 890RR is a serious track weapon. Motorcycle.com's Road Test Editor Troy Siahaan gives you his take on Kramer's latest creation.
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@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely cannot wait to receive mine. I race the 2022 KTM RC8C and this 890RR is just enough improvement to make it worth the upgrade. For folks wondering about club racing with this platform, typically you can race in the C+ (600+) superbike classes (not stock classes) additionally heavyweight twins and F1 class.

@carlmayer691 11 ай бұрын

WOW! really so happy for you..tell us more please.. LOL JHChristmas

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

You know anyone who might want my 2022 GP 2 ? Lol

@RikkyTang 11 ай бұрын

There's objective reporting and then there's Troy dribbling over this GP2 890RR 😁😁 Really enjoyed the video though!

@lopsided1 10 ай бұрын

Troy keep up the good work, your reviews are some of the best!

@givoguem 7 ай бұрын

4 weaknesses IMO. 1. Gearbox is not geared for track - main issue is the gear difference between 5th and 6th but 1-6 can be greatly improved. I don't know why they didn't do this from factory. 2. front brakes overheat - thicker discs and/or go up to 300mm (or bigger) would help. I don't know why they didn't do this from factory. 3. suspension - has good potential but hard to setup if you are not a WP expert...and finding a WP road race expert/good shop to set it up is almost impossible. I'm looking at replacing front with K-Tech cartridge kit and rear with a custom made shock. I understand why they use the WP as they are partner with KTM who owns WP but still makes life hard. 4. engine - a bit on the fragile side for a track bike. service intervals (5000km) is low even for a track bike (usually 6k) unless you are a high level pro with budget to match. My single R bike had significant scarring, bearings were almost completely shot and other internals showed excessive wear at under 4000 km. All the lightened internals should help but I would need feedback on a RR bike with 5000km rebuild to be "convinced". I wish they would make it from a V2 engine instead of an L2 Still an awesome bike though and worth the money!

@RumblestripDotNet 11 ай бұрын

138 horsepower is cool, the point is the (lack of) weight, 313lbs/142kg. Plenty of club racing classes, also for sure you can race this in WERA and AHRMA.

@carlmayer691 11 ай бұрын

Now that's impressive... but at $39K and it's UNINSURABLE .. so if it goes tumbling ass over teacups down the tarmac .. Oh well . Make something akin to this, super lightweight but road going too.. w/ quick release turn indicators, lights, etc.. a LOT OF CASH ..

@RumblestripDotNet 11 ай бұрын

@@carlmayer691 Any track or race bike is uninsurable for on track damage. Even your street bike on a track day crash would have a denied claim from your insurance.

@okie-rider 7 ай бұрын

@@RumblestripDotNet If you’re racing no, if you’re in a riding school your insurance may cover you

@exothermal.sprocket 10 ай бұрын

Just go word about Evans Brasfield passing away due to a tragic accident. Very sorry!! My condolences to his wife and family, and all the Motorcycle staff.

@Bow-to-the-absurd 10 ай бұрын

Its a gut wrencher. Evans will be missed.

@ChocoIatx2 11 ай бұрын

Looks amazing. Working my way up to a track day and I hope to one day be able to push something like the Kramer to the limit

@lovelessissimo 11 ай бұрын

It's 40 grand.

@michaelmotam 7 ай бұрын

This bike looks SICK! Definitely a track weapon 🔥

@meyersguitars2196 11 ай бұрын

I have never heard of this brand but looks super cool!

@AaronDuhsaka 2 ай бұрын

Ktm basically

@windyrun7979 11 ай бұрын

Great review! Also, what hip protection are you wearing under that track suit? I was thinking of getting that suit but its a bit loose around hip and thigh for my torso size.

@greggiacona238 11 ай бұрын

Troy, great review of a seemingly wonderful bike. Wondering if the foot pegs can be lowered to accommodate a taller rider? Did you explore that feature?

@AzCrawler00 4 ай бұрын

The seat has a bit of height adjustment, just like the EVO2.

@otakarlibal 11 ай бұрын

What laptimes can you do with it in Brno?

@Cantabinexile 11 ай бұрын

Simple answer to the first question of what bike would you buy? The answer is Britten V1000

@chrisstephens6194 11 ай бұрын

Honda NS/RS 500 updated modern suspension and brakes. Two stroke heaven.

@dogrange 11 ай бұрын

If you could do a comp with next-gen super sports bikes, that would be awesome! (Comparative lap times?)

@TroySiahaan 11 ай бұрын

That's something I'm trying to put together. I just gotta convince someone to let me ride their Next Gen Supersport bike!

@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

@@TroySiahaan I have a buddy with Herrin's V2...wanna do that V2 vs 890RR?

@lovelessissimo 11 ай бұрын

Oooh someone was hanging out with Mr. Courts.

@motojc 11 ай бұрын

Beautiful bike! The graphics must go though. But how much is it different from the RC890?

@Skare147 11 ай бұрын

There is no real RC890. However there is a RC8C which is very similar to the krämer gp2. KTM worked closely with Krämer Motorcycles during the development of the RC8C.

@gradypicinich2404 11 ай бұрын

Another parallel twin, how exciting!

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

I have a 22 GP2 and its an amazing bike in the corners but damn is it snow in the straights. So much so that's it's not competitive at most tracks i go to and the other tracjs i race the lrg won't let it race even this year. Unfortunately it just doesn't have a place in racing on the west coast.

@JakeD32 11 ай бұрын

Sounds like you need this 24’. Engine rips wayyy harder. Don’t let the marginal peak power number gains fool you. This new gen engine is way this platform needed!

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

Idk I've done a track day with two 23 RC8Cs and gone side by side with them on the back straight at Chuckwalla and they had a very small advantage at the end of the straight and that made me very skeptical

@JakeD32 11 ай бұрын

I’ve owned a 22 GP2 and have hours of track time riding my 23’ RC with a 22 RC8C, GP2, and lots of moto A spec 600’s (whom I can use a as a consistent gauges). The 23’ RC engine now matches the crazy capable chassis. Noticeable more acceleration than any of the above bikes. While I loved my 22 GP2, the engine always felt a little lackluster to me. Let me say this, If a 23 RC or 24 GP2 feels “damn slow” on the majority of tracks in the US and is not competitive, the rider is the problem not the bike.

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

I have 650 miles on it and probably 300 so far is strictly in race miles and it ain't the rider it's the bone stock 890 motor top end. Bottom end is on par with R6 and ZX6 but it falls on its face pretty quick.

@JakeD32 11 ай бұрын

Hence my first reply….sounds like you need the 24’ 😉

@michaeledwards7714 11 ай бұрын

Cool bike. I miss Brap Talk. Safety Third.

@chriscorscadden2484 11 ай бұрын

Can’t wait for KTM RC890 after this and the leaked spy shots

@davmanlop333 11 ай бұрын

Can we expect oil leaks 😂

@ncjsgrki 11 ай бұрын

They need a 1290RR

@trashedlife1 11 ай бұрын

Noice 😮

@pomplardpanam8591 11 ай бұрын

Looks good but if u got the money go for the Crigton 700 220 HP 130 kg about 95k€... 😅i don't have it....

@jonomasonILoveU 11 ай бұрын

I love kTm😁

@NudaMan 11 ай бұрын

ahhh the ktm RC8C in "real form" lmao

@Terraceview 11 ай бұрын

What's with the triple clamps!?

@TheSudsy 11 ай бұрын

What is the point of it ? For just doing track days? What class can they race in? They are not road legal. It would be good if it had some single class race championships.

@Skare147 11 ай бұрын

Yeah primarily trackday usage. Maybe you can race in some open classes, but I dont think they aim to enter any kind of national or international championship.

@jfess1911 11 ай бұрын

re: "What is the point of it?" FUN!

@helljester8097 11 ай бұрын

@@Skare147dude do a google search the bike won a formula thunder race last month and has been running all year with British Superbikes against 3 and 4 cylinder supersports bikes.

@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

Hi, fair questions. I race a 2022 KTM RC8C in CMRA (Texas/southern region), the RC8C is the previous Kramer GP2R. It's a race bike, you use it for trackdays and/or competition. For my series, we can race it in 4 classes against 750s, 1000ccs, and other twins. In Europe, they do have a single make championship for the Kramer as well. Even if you're not racing, these bikes are an absolute joy to ride. You can't not have fun with 138hp at 314lbs wet on a race track. 😁😁😁

@allnighterist 11 ай бұрын

Its a toy and collectible for Californians with too much money

@aneukacehjaya8175 6 ай бұрын

@josephferazza7686 11 ай бұрын

I would have real trouble justifying something like this over a Ducati Panigale V2. I'd like to see a real track comparison in race trim with them both. Seems nobody wants to mention the Ducati in the same conversation. At half the price I can see why.

@MickH60 7 ай бұрын

Won't be half the price in race trim for a start. you're comparing apples and oranges and the Kramer will come out on top, lighter, faster and better set up and parts... Not to mention maintenance costs of the Ducati...

@junepetr3481 11 ай бұрын

I feel like my 899 is the poor man version of this. I need some carbon wheels and put myself on a diet though. Lol

@brucebird133 11 ай бұрын

$40,000 usd ?

@NudaMan 11 ай бұрын

10k more you can get a KTM RC8C lmao

@dmitrybatishchev2867 11 ай бұрын

Lmao

@lurchgusteau9516 3 ай бұрын

KTM RC8C

@seanc6754 11 ай бұрын

40 grand?? Okay look I can appreciate what they've done that bike seems like a track weapon no pun intended but.. The Ducati V4R is also quite a track weapon and there's not a lot you have to do to that bike to show up and be competitive in your writing club or whatever and street legal. Sure sure the Ducati V4R is going to have quite a bit of maintenance and as we all know Ducati maintenance isn't cheap but if they're getting $140 horsepower out of a purpose-built parallel twin I'm sure that thing is very very toleranced and high-strung and probably needs quite a bit of maintenance itself that I'm guessing won't be cheap either

@DukeofBrap 11 ай бұрын

Too exclusive, too expensive for a track day bike. Thats why people buy litre bikes. Id love to get my hands on a Kramer, but until they're more accessible it's just a pipe dream.

@brucebird133 11 ай бұрын

Way too expensive...

@dayleashleynolasco5765 11 ай бұрын

I thought it was a new brand. Correct me if im wrong but I guess it is just a re-branded KTM . I wonder why, KTM can't use this brand to enter a new outfit in MotoGP as we know at the moment, they are a need of another team.

@bloodspartan300 11 ай бұрын

Ya genius let's have ktm enter with another brand as if they don't already have gag gag and husqvarna like red bull and Ross toro and now alpha tauri... all redbull brands

@dayleashleynolasco5765 11 ай бұрын

@@bloodspartan300 what the hell is a gag gag. Also, they don't have Husqvarna on the grid after DoRNA ruled out of selling them another slot which is a bit absurd.

@nomadenview 10 ай бұрын

Kramer bike? Wow never know about that.... All I know Kramer guitar.... Lol

@madrat5176 11 ай бұрын

Someone that really knows what they’re doing on a Suzuki GSX-R 750 would beat this bike hands down

@smoke05s 11 ай бұрын

this is 100 lbs lighter and only 10 hp down. . . . if they are even on acceleration (since 10 lbs = 1 hp), you are still 100 lbs overweight so its like loosing a passenger on the kramer. but on top of that this is a twin so it probably has more torque and midrange than the GSXR making it easier to ride. It would need to be someone who knows what he is domg on the GSXR against someone who doesn't know what they are doing on the Kramer. But put that same guy on the kramer and it would be no contest.

@madrat5176 11 ай бұрын

@@smoke05s It’s 20hp down and it’s not hard to shed a lot of weight from the Suzuki. I’d like to see a well set up GSX-R 750 against it on track at half the price

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

Clapped out R6s beat my 22 GP2 because of straights. But in a corner there is absolutely no way in hell. I dominate every single person in my organization in the corners but get pissed again every other lap in the straights

@TheInfantry98 11 ай бұрын

@@JNOSNOWso the bike is a complete joke when racing

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

@@TheInfantry98 not what I said and that's a ridiculous statement. It fucking annihilates people in the corners but doesn't have the motor on the straights so people make all that back up at the straights. But any idiot can go fast in a straight line

@01mrlek 11 ай бұрын

Too much talking and not enough bike action

@DemetriosMallous90 11 ай бұрын

Doubt any track day riders will be racing this or even see one of these on a track day. $34K is beyond the realm of what most of us can afford especially since its only for the track. Can buy a V4S for that amount of money. This is a rich person’s toy.

@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

I race this, it is a great heavyweight twins bike and also quite competitive in supersport 750cc+ classes. V4S is not great for track because the electronic suspension is disruptive; any serious track rider or racer will go for a base V4 with upgraded suspension or a V4R (which also does away with electronic suspension for mechanical suspension).

@DemetriosMallous90 11 ай бұрын

@@vtranmoto Didn't know the V4S has all that gimmicky electronic suspension. A bike more inline with the GP2 I guess would be the V2 with upgrades but even then in a heavyweight category the GP2 is going up against V2's and GSXR 750's. The GP2 does have the weight advantage though. Not knocking the GP2 at all but I'd rather make due with a cheaper bike and some upgrades. I'd hate to have to deal with parts if I crash a $34k bike. Having a more common bike does help quite a bit for parts sourcing.

@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

@@DemetriosMallous90 my friend owns Josh Herrin's HSBK V2 MotoAmerica championship bike and prefers his RC8C/GP2 over the fully built V2. A built HSBK V2 is going to cost $60,000+ and comparing a stock V2 vs a GP2 is pointless, since you're going to end up buying exhaust, bodywork, parts, etc...that'll easily climb to $30k or more and the price difference becomes negligible. From a parts perspective, I raced mine for almost 2 full seasons and parts have not been an issue (I've also crashed mine). Just sharing my experience, I've had a lot of track bikes and race bikes and the Kramer is remarkably easy to live with. Hope more folks take the plunge and give it a go!

@brucebird133 11 ай бұрын

@@vtranmoto You race one? few comments back you were getting one. 'Absolutely cannot wait to receive mine. '

@vtranmoto 11 ай бұрын

@@brucebird133 yep, I race a 2022 KTM RC8C in the CMRA series, this Kramer GP2-890RR is just an upgraded version of the RC8C (which is based on the previous GP2R). Plenty of videos on my channel about the RC8C. The Kramer line up goes like this: 2019-2021 - Kramer GP2 2022 - KTM RC8C (orange)/Kramer GP2R 2023 - KTM RC8C (black version) 2024 - Kramer GP2-890RR All bikes are made by Kramer with KTM 890 engines/WP Suspension sourced from KTM. RC8C utilizes KTM sourced bodywork, GP2/890RR utilizes in-house Kramer developed bodywork.

@johnadams3038 11 ай бұрын

So it's a disfigured Duke 890 R? lol

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

I would almost say a Duke 890 is a disfigured GP2 but it's not even close to the same ballpark

@bloodspartan300 11 ай бұрын

Kramer is just a brand. everything on the bike with the exception of the fairing is not kramer... I'm not even sure the fairing is Kramer... but they def put their logo all over it.

@flyingdutchy01 7 ай бұрын

you talk too much

@carlmayer691 11 ай бұрын

A "Parts Bin Special" for $39,000 should be called the Kramer "Parts Bin Special 890 RR" ..... now what is less expensive other version called.. the Kramer 690 RR at 65 hp.. basic suspension.. etc.. is $15,999 reduced .. even that is very expensive... buy a Honda CBR600RR for a 1/3rd and spend the rest on suspension, performance gooies..Useless motorcycle.. I get it, but I don't.. Why not make it road worthy.. with clever quic-release turn indicators, headlight cowl -just pull the whole kit and kaboddle off, replace w/ race cowl.. same w/ rear cowl.. at least you can enjoy it on the road which it would be a hoot.. Just too much cash for a single purpose motorcycle. You could paint in KTM livery and impress your track buddies .. maybe

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

You're funny. People who have never ridden one would probably never understand. Any idiot can go in a straight line but nothing beats these in the corners. $34k is pretty cheap for a real race bike hell that's what I have into my budget GSXR 1000 race bike.

@JNOSNOW 11 ай бұрын

And this would be retarded and horrible on the road like most every sport bike already is.

@dmitrybatishchev2867 11 ай бұрын

@@JNOSNOW… and yet you have GSXR 1000… because it make a whole a lot more sense…