The timing of this video is spot on. Definitely a hot topic of late that's on a lot of people's mind's. Always love your videos Cleveland. Excited to see you hit 100K subscribers this year!

When I bought my new house the decision was simple for me. I sit 12 ft away and picked up a 120” screen with UST Awol. It is perfect for the distance. If I couldn’t go at least 120, I would have picked up a 100” TCL for $2k. But those extra 20” make a massive difference. A few things come into play here for considerations. If I were to buy the 100 inch TV things would be easier, the contrast and blacks would be better, and better for brighter, viewing environments. Less to calibrate, more set it and forget it type of thing. However, you are left with a massive screen stuck on your wall, it would not play 3-D movies - I have over 100 of those and they are simply stunning and better experience IMO than in the theaters with the AWOL 3500, the screen size would have me wanting more, and I would most likely pick up a five-year warranty on the TV because of TCL track record. I use a floor rising screen with the UST and display a nice gallery print on my wall so the TV does not take over the entire living room space. If you have a dedicated theater room, then a fixed screen is fine. Another good point on the logistics - some people simply are not going to be able to navigate a massive box down a flight of stairs. Now to price. The TCL 115 inch just announced and high sense 119 inch just announced at CES will both cost close to $20,000. A 120” UST $1000 - 5000. That’s quite a difference. So considering price, size of your space, and how immersive you want the experience to be - those will be the determining factors.

The first thing is these TVs don't have 3D we're most projectors do and that's important to me. Plus you don't get the same feel as you do with a projector. I've got both in the same room

To me large TV's (80" and up) are a hassle and an eye sore if your not watching tv . I have a Formovie Theater UST with a retractable screen and it does great in daylight. I just love the fact that I don't have to look at a giant tv hanging on the wall when not in use.

For movies, I prefer the soft, natural reflected light of a projected image. For gaming, OLED is my preference.

What was fantastic about my ust projector was when I had a problem, I boxed it up and sent it away for a new lens and had it sent back in a week. Imagine having to take down your 100-inch TV to be sent away or to be fixed in the home. What a nightmare. Plus with a projector screen, no ugly cables, or having to feed your cables through a wall. Projector all the way for me.

I do like how with projectors, all the light is focused on the screen and you can sit in darkness. It's better for the eyes and the theater experience. I may go back to a UST when prices are a bit more sane.

Congrats on the new space. I’m looking forward to the upcoming tour & TV reviews!

Just bought an Epson long throw LS12000 for my dedicated theater… it’s incredibly bright, it replaced my Sony 900E TV which was a very bright TV… the Epson at the end of the day was a no brainer I blackened out the room, and feel the same brightness I had with the TV. There’s just something about a projector that gives that cinematic and natural feel… I think I’ll miss that one day, looking up and seeing the light beam from time to time.

Really great topic! I just subscribed. I would pick your brain about more TV’s & projectors!

At 1:00 there are some sound problems. Seems that 2 tracks are overlapping.

Thanks for sharing your views. It came at the right time when I was in a dilemma to buy a projector or a TV for my big conference room in office. Thank you🙏

Very excited, how are you going to do with your new room, new space. Please give us great videos as ever. Peace.

100” plus tvs are unmanageable. Projectors don’t take up space.

I’m still leaning towards a ust projector with a rising/ hideaway screen for a few reasons. As you mentioned, the pure logistics of handling and installing a 100 inch tv are challenging. Then there’s the fact that a projector with a 120 inch plus screen will be more of an experience than a tv, and way more affordable than the new 115 and 120 inch tvs that were just announced. Finally, in a mixed use room I think a huge 100 inch plus tv will be a huge eyesore when not on. Heck, my 85 inch tv is. I won’t have to worry about that with a floor rising projector screen. Of course my last point won’t matter to you if you have a dedicated theater room.

Welcome back,missed your video's that I enjoy.

My problem is that the only wall I have a window behind the screen when I want the large screen experience and i dont want to build a mount that hinges up to store the tv against the ceiling.

Great video Villa😊

Here's my ONE CENT: UST's are SUPER PORTABLe, easy to move between rooms and places. Take it to hotel, forest or hike or trek. You're sorted. Good on EYES. Reflected diffused lighting provides comfort and safety to our eyes and also lets you watch longer or more movies without eye fatigue. With a white or slightly Grey wall, one can get an image size of upto 150 inches. Actually if it's 4k projector it can done upto 180 inches without perceptible loss of pictire quality. It works in small rooms, no nailing, no pro installation required if the wall is even decently flat and slightly clean. All you need ia empty wall. That's ALL. UST's have even more advantages. Except for the true black which is actually imperceptible when scenes start to become vibrant and bright. Cuz the amount of time we see black in a movie is very less (except horror movies). So deep blacks don't go beypnd your black HDR demo videos. As a pro even I got aucked into that literal "blackhole Pixel nonsense". I can add even more. Lemme make a video and put it up.

Can't get a 100inch oled in my dedicated loft so i'm very happy with my jvc projector alternative. Close enough imagewise as well. It all depends on the situation, budget etc...

There is one thing you're forgetting...blue light. It might not be a factor yet but I expect eye health to become a more important purchase factor in the future.

Problem with 120 - 130" TV is how to deliver something of such size. It's really tricky. If they had some retractable, foldable TV is might work, but at what price .

Been watching your videos a long time. The #1 thing that kept me from getting an UST is due to having kids. Having to reset the projector and calibrate each time they "bump" the entertainment center or UST itself would be frustrating. Additionally, I'd much rather have a 100" LCD.

TVs have a major drawback in that they are fixed format displays and as result are not able to handle different aspect ratios, especially important when it comes to movie watching. With a projector you can use the zoom function to create a truly cinematic experience on films shot in the scope format by getting rid of the dreaded black bars.

My thoughts exactly on bigger tv’s. Looking forward to seeing your 100” tv review.

If you ate buying anytv bigger than 80 imches you are special its just better and easier to buy a projector

Not even close.... I can get a solid 120" crispy picture with a projector in the sub $1,000 range. Currently I have a 72" pull down projector screen in place of a TV. Gives me the option to have a clean fire place mantel or giant screen.

Well done! I have been following numerous reviewers for the last four years and I think you covered all the - key points - as I get ready to replace my Sony 285es 4K projector for hopefully a JVC NP5 projector - but with a laser instead of a bulb. Fingers crossed JVC announces it this year?!? Overall, your review is very consistent regarding all the various choices a consumer needs to consider as to what would be the best choice for them. Way to go!

I have never owned a projector but having owned various TVs over the years, i think large screen TVs are more likely to develop screen defects like Dirty screen effect, banding or some other panel issue over the span of few years (Also obviously , projectors are more durable as larger the TV, larger the risk of cracking it)

I love your content, been a subscriber for several years...My space will not accommodate a projector. Currently have a Samsung 65" (UN65MU800F). When I upgrade I will buy one of the 100"+ Mini LED's...

My AWOL LTV 3500 is waaay nicer amd more soothing to look at than my OLED. Once you see a quality UST you will never go back to the flashy reflective LED sceen. The idea with big screens are to have an immersive cinematic expereince not to turn your family room into Times Square. Use your LED's for bedrrooms and offices and your quality UST for you immersive experiences.

Interesting take on the topic Cleveland. I finished editing a video on this subject only yesterday - scheduled but not published - you raised some interesting points, I still think there is a place for them but very dependant on your setup. I'm not a fan of televisions personally - I only watch on projectors now especially for the center speaker to have prominence.

Dont forget projectors are cheaper now, due competition between brands and technologies ( lamp, led and laser light sources ). I have a 4k tv on living room. In my bedroom, a simple Epson full hd fills the whole wall in front of the bed. For $400 only I have the world on my wall. I use a Roku stick conected to the pj. The lamp is $67 and lasts years. Im waiting for laser tecnology geting cheaper, like $600-800 so I can jump. The dark room, movie-theater atmosphere is very pleasant.

Who wants a two pound tv on the wall. No thanks. I’ll stick to my ust projector. Plus it goes up to 150 inches

I have a epson ls11000 paired with a 100 inch screen innovations light reflecting screen. Amd a 77 inch lg for the family room. I'm good

Great video. When are we going to see your new home theater?

Great video! I got my first OLED (C2 83") when they came out in 2022. For the same original price i can get the AWOL 150" UHD ust package with the cabinet and motorized screen lift... glad i didn't have to pick between the two. Need more USTs that support HDR10+ & Atmos.

You can debate all day but there is the EU Here u can’t sell tvs bigger then 96 inch.. So for people like me ust/laser tvs are hot cakes..

I just upgraded to 135 inches with an LS12000. For me it's amaze balls.

Yeah you want a 110 inch micro LED if you have a fancy 30 MM LA home with a movie theatre.

To me a projector is better than a big TV for these reasons: 1. A giant black rectangle (TV) looks tacky and dominates the room when not in use. A retractable projector screen looks better but even a still frame projector screen looks better because it's white and not black 2. With a projector, you can reduce the size of the screen if you want. For example you can watch movies at 120" but game at 55" 3. With a projector, you can use an acoustically transparent screen allowing you to have the center channel speaker right behind the screen. This makes the sound come directly from the screen rather than below the screen or above the screen which sounds more natural. 4. With a projector, it is easier to transport when you move and a lot easier to repair yourself or send in for repair if you need to.

I was literally debating this topic 2 weeks ago. Noticing the price of LED tvs at the 100 to 85 inch come within the price of what 4k projectors are now (including screen and mounting hardware) it has seriously got me thinking about ditching my BenQ Tk 850. I have a dedicated movie room upstairs but I don't enjoy blacking out the room during the day and the heat and noise reduction would be super nice. For reference my room is 10 x 14 and I'm using a 100" screen with an 8 foot viewing distance to get a 45 deg edge to edge viewing angle.

I love my Xgimi Horizon Pro short throw projector, it has incredible viewing angles and the picture quality is INCREDIBLE. Besides, not everyone is looking for the latest and greatest. I don't have to worry about hanging some large TV on my wall and I can take my projector with me whiles I travel the world.

Nope. Not until they can get to at least 130 inches and figure out how to do true acoustically transparent sound. Plus, a TV that big would be really hard to get in the house, install, service and replace. Not to mention the incredible heat they would create in the room. Lastly, they're just not cinematic like a projector reflecting off a screen.

Imo Both will co exist like they always did projectors are also getting better and cheaper, Easier to carry around easier to move easier to put anywhere, autofocus and Auto keystone is making it's way to budget projectors, Let's agree to disagree, they will mever become obsolete, respect your take and opinion though keep it up

I out my laser projector up on EBay last Friday after I watched a movie on the Apple Vision Pro on a 150 FOOT Screen!!!!

TV's that will be the size of 120 inch to 150inch Ultra Short Throws won't be the price of current line of most affordable UST Projectors $3000-$5000 especially those that come with screens like with Hisense and AWOL won't be at those prices for years at least 4-5 years

Hey villaman what do u think about the hisense c1 and xgimi horizon ultra max

While perhaps most consumers don't really care much about it, one area where the large format TVs also excel is also with the high dynamic range and Dolby Vision capabilities as well as much quicker implementation of the higher resolution content, such as 8K. Projectors always lag painfully so far behind in these areas because of the hardware limitations, particularly at a price point. However, in a dedicated home theater, even a 100"-115" TV may not be adequate for a truly immersive cinematic experience. And, something that isn't addressed much because TV sizes large enough to be useful in a dedicated theater is just now happening, the negative effects on audio from a TV screen is a consideration. The horizontal center channel below a large sonically reflective panel is far inferior to the audible sound stage of three identical towers behind an acoustically transparent screen with appropriately designed absorption/diffusion on the front wall. So I'm not convinced large panel TVs will replace front projection systems because those are for a different experience. But they could give the UST market, which competes more directly with TVs than front projectors, a run for the money. Both UST and TV tend to be utilized in multi-function rooms and non-dedicated, non-light controlled HT spaces . There's plenty of room for both though so it is exciting.

Din't Mitsubishi had a big lazer tv to compete with those DLP TVs? They were only available in the USA, i begged Mitsubishi to import them in Europe, but they din't wont to do that. +100 inch LCD TVs for $2000 with a lot of blooming, a not that great picture, blue light, need 2 people to place such tv, those who are living in an apartment, can get it up to the floor were they living, not to mention the high energy consumption of such TVs.

PROJECTORS WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE! I LOVE MY THEATER!

A DLP projector gives movies that "special look" that you just cannot replicate with anything else. I have a 4K Projector in my living room with a 150inch screen and a 77inch oled. I will probably not go larger for a normal tv. i also watch retro series, game on older consoles etc on that screen. That looks hidious in the beamer or larger screens. I dont have the need to watch everything on 150inch :)

LCD illumination technology got evolved in the last 2 years... When I was searching for my new TV, the highest local dimming segment count, which I found on the market here, was about 49. And it was about twice the price of OLEDs. Could you name TVs with the mentioned thousands of dimming zones?

Projectors can be versatile and moved from room to room, though a 100 inch tv may be difficult to manoeuvre even in an allocated room, they both have their plus and minuses plus UST projectors are getting better and better each year also , I think there’s room for tvs and home cinema projectors in the market for many years ahead

A 98” tv has a better picture. I couldn’t get a tv of that size down my stairs.

What we need is a 120" Dolby Vision MiniLED or OLED for around $3000, without any speakers, or smart features. Most people will add a streaming media player or a 4K disk or HDD player to it.

I am totally looking forward to larger TVs I have a 77 inch OLED and I want at least a 100 inches. I think LEDs, mini-LED and OLEDs are moving into the projection space. Last years mini-LEDs were awesome!

I prefer projectors. They are portable. I cant carry a 120” television with me when im on the go. I can size the image to whatever i decide i want to have as my viewing space. Both tv and projector markets complement each other.

A $1k projector is a lot of inches of crisp hd image. Projector still alive. CES has a lot offered

Projectors are here for good but tvs are out

I can carry the projector outside to the backyard. I can't and don't want to be carrying a 98" TV to the backyard😂

JUST PURCHASED THE LG G3 77IN IN SEPT. I ASSUMED MY NEXT TV WOULD BE A LASER TO GET OVER THAT 100IN THRESHOLD BUT NOW IM NOT SO SURE

100 inch TV under $2,500 is bonkers! In time TV will only get larger & cheaper.

I own a 98” TV and looked at UST projectors before making my decision. Your points are good, but the decision points for most people is a lot more clear than you make it. 1) Cost: At 98” or less, usually with the TV set on sale like the one you showed in your video, the overwhelming advantage goes to the large TV. These TVs are cost competitive or cheaper than their UST alternatives. 2) Setup: slight advantage to USTs: TVs this size have to be carefully mounted on walls as they are simply too wide to fit on most furniture. For most of us, that is paying for mounting. By contrast, one could mount a screen on their own and calibrate the UST for the screen 3) Versatility: TV. USTs have minimum requirements for distance from the back wall. 4) Connections: TV. TVs offer all the connections you could possibly need. Also, if you have an existing surround system with a center channel, the UST is in the way. Yes USTs, come with speakers, but they hardly compare with good center channels. Overall, I think anyone looking for a screen size of 98” or less will probably be best served with a TV. It works in more environments in terms of lighting, etc. Over 98”, the nod goes to USTs. Yes, TCL is coming out with a 115” TV this year, but no one expects it to be anywhere close to the price of a 98” TV. The price drop on these big TVs has been nothing short of stunning

Now.... if only TV's would re-incorporate 3D support for those of us who still love bluray 3D.

Any theater room updates???

I hope projectors continue trending, they are cheaper, and you can carry and project anywhere.

Interesting video: I currently have a 125" screen that I project onto from a Panasonic projector. The Panasonic can put out a superb picture and differences in source quality are quite apparent (I use an OPPO top of the Line BD205 player, alas no longer available). However, the Panasonic projector has a lamp and over time that lamp will dim and change the color, contrast, and black levels. in addition, I have to constantly be concerned about exact focus and ensuring the image fits the screen from corner-to-corner without keystone effects. And of course, I can't view my projector in ambient light (not that I really want to) if I wanted to. So obviously with a projector there are gotchas. I also have a 70" flat panel that can put out a spectacular image as well, but it's not film-like as the projector can be. However, though I prefer to watch movies in the larger format of my 125" screen using my Panasonic projector (3D is not important to me), I also can enjoy movies viewed on my 70" flat panel. So I can forgo the film-like quality if I could get a flat-panel of at least 120" (I don't mind losing 5" on viewing area) that could put out a color-accurate picture with really deep black levels and great contrast and clarity. The HiSense and TCL models you mention are very interesting and I will be looking forward to learning about them in 2024. It would be great if you could do a review of such models when and if possible. You raised some valid points about size vs value, so these forthcoming large flat-panels should be really interesting. Thanks!

My theater is 20ft wide. 4k Laser projectors are good.

Still relevant for large screen 3d

Im going to have 85" 4k tv in living room and 125 to 150" 4k laser projector in bedroom

One more comment: the calibration out of the box for my TCL TV was horrible. Highly recommend checking KZfaq for setting recommendations. Makes a big difference!!!

Projectors arent going anywhere anytime soon. I got my viewsonic 4K pxp 727 for under 500$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ inches in my living room and I just need a bigger room for a bigger image (it can go up to 300") TVs wont be catching up to that size at that price anytime soon.

I was thinking about this last week. With such big tvs for the same price as an ultra short throw could this be the beginning of the end for them. I’m sure the tcl sold a lot of tvs at that price and at that price something people won’t return

Well, thing is - 98" does not mark the end for USTs. I have the "Samsung The Premiere" at 120", and it replaces going to the movie theater.

I have no screens except for my 17" 1080P laptop, but very interested to get a large curve monitor (might do sim racing) for multitasking and casual YT viewing, and a large "TV" for on the wall, to enjoy walking around and hanging on the couch. The miniLEDs in the store look pretty epic to my noob eyes. The resolutions are quite impressive. Do people use those to swaitch up the work flow, have multiple screens, do writing from the couch with longer focal point view, that sort of thing? Is casting from phone or laptop convenient nowadays, or still plug in hell?

Sorry I can't see myself spending anywhere from $5,000 all the way up to $220,000 for a TV but I can see myself spending maybe $2,000 - $3,000 on a ultra short throw projector

I like to watch movies at home like i experience them in the theater - on a projected screen. When i watch a movie I love it looks different when i watch it on my oled compaured to my UST. I don't experience it at the theater with oled blacks, 1000 nits of HDR searing my eyes or ultra vivid colors. Then you turn on film maker mode to turn all that down to projector levels. Kind of funny. Now sports i'll take my oled but movies im a projector for life. Or until they show movies on giant 2:35 aspect micro oled walls at the theater.

Where are the 120"+ Flexible Micro-LED or OLED's that I can hang from the ceiling and roll up out of the way like a projector screen? Haven't even seen a prototype of that. That's what I want. That would solve the shipping weight and size constraints of such large displays, and free up your wall space when not in use. I realize it would be insanely expensive at the moment, but somebody needs to start developing it.

Nothing ends. Which one will win, it depends. It depends which tech manage to drive down price faster for the size, features. But long term, large displays will slowly decline vs micro OLED glasses. Old people will not get this but younger generation will, think earphones/headphones but for the eyes.

JVC / Sony fan noise in “high-mode” in its current laser projectors is a serious issue! So much so, it caused me to delay my purchase to replace my current 2018 Sony 285es. Rated 26db-ish in low mode with no mention of what it is high mode. But now we know . . . it’s typically DOUBLE: 45 to 50db or more. That is way too loud for a dedicated theatre room space. My 285es fan is lower and acceptable in high mode so I fail to understand why this can’t be done for laser fan projectors. I expect there will be a refresh of Sony and JVC’s projectors this year at CEDIA? I am “hoping” this issue gets fixed . . . along with other issues that other vloggers have mentioned over the past two years.

As someone who is finishing my basement right now with a dedicated home theater space, this is good information. I have my ceiling being wired now for an older style projector just in case, but I havent decided between this type or ultra short throw laser. Now this adds another possibility into the mix 😂. I will say that i refuse to buy another TCL or Hisense due to bad experiences with both, so if any of the big name tv makers put out 100+ inch screens over the next couple years then it'll definitely be on my radar.

Projectors have had huge peicw reductions in last 6 monts..you can now get native 4k for under 5000

If they adjust/ lower the prices of UST projectors or any projector for that matter without compromising on quality they should be okay. And of course lower prices on screens. Keep up with the technology , R & D will make the difference as well.

Logistics is a serious issue

I was just in the market and went with the NEXIGO AURORA PRO definitely worth it.

Who in their right mind is going to pay $220,000 for a 146 inch or so TV

My problem is idc how big the screen is I can’t go back to led tvs oled ruined it for me unfortunately big oleds are still Uber expensive I’d love a laser ultra short throw projector but those again are $$$

I'm a holdout for 3D so if I can get a UST that would be my preference.

dim picture and no HDR w projectors? love that 98+ sizes are coming down to such reasonable prices

If they made the large format miniLED TVs _modular_ where you could "lego" them together and still create a visually-seamless screen when assembled, this would make it cost-efficient to replace bad panels as needed, as well as give the tech portability options for the first time.

Wouldn’t your center channel sound be more and more disjoint? Farther from where the voice should be coming from…the bigger the screen gets. Advantage acoustically transparent screen… I guess it’s all preference. ❤

It seems most reviewers ignore the giant elephant in the room with UST's, where do you put the center channel? Think about it, above the screen, nope not gonna work. On the floor as the projector is usually a foot or two off the floor, nope. Maybe if the UST could be ceiling mounted with an inversion setting akin to traditional front projectors then MAYBE it would work. The HTA 9 could work as it has a phantom center but that's about it. I think the days of UST are numbered.

I guess for TVs to commonly get 100 inches or larger the price of these rolling OLEDs needs to drop. You're going to have to roll up a 120+ inch screen to get it in your door!

Well. I love my Epson 4k projector...( Not a short throw projector) I'd rather pay 1200 dollars for a projector. Than a TCL that will be dead in 26 months. Like my last TCL. Plus. I can project from 40 to 300 inch. And up to 500 inches... Which I plan to build a screen outside... I have a 320 inch out back... There's nothing like it. Not to mention it's a smart projector so you can do all your streaming Bluetooth to speakers and you don't even need a DVD player or Blu-ray player if you don't want.

Dream on you can't buy a 150 inch regular tv. Projectors are getting cheaper. Tvs may become obsolete as projectors are easier to move and can be recycled.

There's no way standing at the gates of hades I'd throw any money at TCL or Hisense. It's budget friendly when you're spending under $600 out of sale season or superbowl weekend. But when you seriouly look at investing over a grand or more you should not accept caveats at those higher price points, color accuracy and viewpoints still matter do they not.

What about the convenience factor for somewhere you want a screen but not all the time? This is the real buying factor right?

Anyone saying projectoes are dead is just clueless and has no idea how a projector room with total light and reflection control and a highend jvc looks like. Your puny 16:9 cannot compare to a 150 diag SCOPE screen...its laughable

But really for a true home Theater 100 inch is still way to small