While it is the first time that I saw someone using a kettle for milk, I do not find the idea weird, but kind of smart. If it does not damage the inside.

HAHAH I nearly spat out my coffee when I saw that. glad to see I'm not the only one

Heating milk is common overseas

​@@buddymiles7210but in a pan! Not a kettle

​@@DRURIDof course it isn't smart. You have to scrub out the inside of the kettle every time.

You nailed it.

agreed, just an interesting discussion I thought was worth having.

@@metalfingersfilm your discussions are always interesting and thoughtful thats why I am here

coudnt have described myself any better haha :)

no shit... thats literally what we ALL do

agreed, especially compared to a phone as well.

@@phillipbanes5484 If you don’t know you probably wouldn’t understand.

The joy of a huge contrast model plastered on the wall illuminated brightly for all to see! And then asked, who did that? And just as quickly snapped back, I DID! YOU DONT GET THAT SENCE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT FROM A BABOON COMPUTER DERRIVED IMAGE. IT JUST DONT HANG WELL DUDE!

Film will be gone and we'll all be left hanging on meat hooks wondering what hit us!

@@user-do5hd7zb4xFilm is not that hard to make. So someone will make it. At least in 35mm and 120.

yes sir, you and me both, haha.

Bingo, hoping this year can be a realistic growth measure for some of the big dogs.

honestly that would be best case scenario

@@phillipbanes5484I mean, considering the recent release of Harman Phoenix 200...

I read Fuji 35mm 200 color film is just rebranded Kodak 200 gold. I don’t mind except I just bought a 3 pack of Kodak gold for $300 instead of 3 pack of Fuji for $22 lol

That was $30 bucks for the Kodak , not $300 hahaha

This is a good point. I think that we will start to see people tire of overly manipulated images as AI generated images saturate the market. The backlash will create more desire for truly analog art. I wish we could go back to shooting on film, developing, and enlarging on photographic paper as a standard way of getting pictures onto the walls of our homes again. No over reliance on fixing the scan in post.

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I could not agree more.

I hope so

I’m a perfect example of this. I started on digital 9 months ago. Got an F3 a week ago and I’m hooked. It’s making me slow down and actually think about what I’m shooting since every shot costs money.

Awesome! I'm trying to get one for a video on the channel, haha.

@@metalfingersfilm I’m sure you’ll get one. You have a broad audience that they can get their eyes on 🤝

Agreed. Thanks for watching, Mark!

peak hipster. lol

well, just learned this is not a normal thing. glad I publicly outed myself lmao

nah, I'm just dumb lmao

As long as you don't let it dry completely so everything is still dissolved, why not?

@@gavinjenkins899 milk has natural sugars in it and those things get burnt

I have a pretty cool video reviewing it coming up. I've been really surprised by it! Hoping for a bigger 2025 as well!

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Thanks for watching homie!

Agreed with the momentum notion most definitely, gotta keep supporting while it's hot to keep it going. I need to get a large format camera, but I've been recently falling more in love with 35mm, so who knows when that will be, haha.

Mastering film photography the skill sets stay. I doubt digital fakers gear will outlive analog film cameras or negs. Negatives don't crash or have bad pixels.

That is great news!

Agreed, momentum is humming this year, gotta make sure, we keep it up!

Jason just did a dope video about cameras in movies, haha!

Not to mention how much water is used in processing film and the chemicals going down the drain. Tere is some nasty chemicals associated with film processing

Awesome! great use of resources to be able to use those lenses.

Yeah, something inherently nostalgic and special about only having 36 frames.

I think come December/this time next year, we'll be able to tell what's worked, which will be interesting if nothing else, haha.

This is a big reason why instant film, especially the Instax line, has been incredibly popular for years now. I'll take my Lomo Instant wide camera over most traditional film cameras. Medium format on a budget! and without the hassle/cost of developing. I'd die for a manual version of the camera.

Check out the frankinstax, or my video shooting it, I think it might deliver what you're looking for.

Yeah, a new film scanner that's affordable would be incredible.

If you bulk load your film and develop it yourself, the costs will come down considerably, you don’t need a darkroom, just a changing bag.

Do you have any idea how feature films and upcoming films were shot with film? Why it is people think it's dying is confusing to me. We live Ina time where either is an option, so why would one just die?

With digital, it's an uphill battle and even with it getting more popular, it's not anymore accessible than it was previously. I don't think film will "die" and just vanish, but moreso referring to the community that exists today will die. If film is only reserved for filmmakers and big budgets, it dissipates this whole community.

Agreed, if you are in a position to be able to support these companies, you should.

There is still much more demand for film than the manufacturers can produce. You still face limits how many rolls you can order, and most of the stocks are often in short supply. This does not indicate the market would dry completely in the near future. Market has changed, and film will never be a product used by everyone, but this does not mean it will be obsolete. Ordinary people shoot selfies with cell phones, but it doesn´t mean that making of oil colors for painters will be canceled next year. Why this crying for 25 years now? Film has not disappeared, and is not disappearing in the near future.

What the young folks don´t realize is that film costing almost nothing was a very short period of time when the digital technology became widely available. In the golden age of film, the professional quality stocks were not cheap. This is especially true of slide film. The digital technology being affordable to the crowds, and the movie industry moving to digital at the same time lead to a price war between Kodak and Fuji, with the prices not being sustainable any more. As there will never be mass market for film products in the way it was before the digital age, there is no way around the higher prices. That said, the market shows some signs of leveling, but thr demand for film is still higher than the supply,

I wish they would sell their equipment, manufacturing gear, etc to a company who would try to bring some updated, unique stuff. As for repair shops, yeah, using my contax gets me nervous.

​@@b6983832 while the cost of films were expensive, the development cost was not, with today's film price you could probably only develop one roll (in lab). 30 years ago one film price equals to development of 3-5 rolls, of course printing is different game but you can choose which frame to print. Not to mention there are a whole lot more choices for cheaper film stocks if you were not able to buy professional standard.

Well I can get my cameras repaired

@@Resgerr I had my Leica M2 1959 restored in Wetzler. I was so happy that a camera manufacturer could still repair it. £1.300 I did have a lens looked over in the same price. I just wish we could all get together and try and make the parts that fall and learn how to repair them.

People are comparing the incomparable. These are different methods of imaging, with very different results. What I personally don´t like is the fact that many of the younger folks are not aware of the possibilities of darkroom printing. I mean both black & white and color. I do understand there are many possibilities you can achieve with digital post production, but it seems to me that many of the younger generation enthusiasts are simply unaware of the darkroom, or think it is much harder than it is, and not worth trying. For me, it is as important part of the craft as is shooting pictures. I don´t fully get the idea that people take for granted that the digital image is the desired goal of all your work in all photography. And no, there is no reason for discrediting digital imaging.

Thanks for checkin' it out!

Thanks for watching!

Haha, thanks for watching, Mike!

Yeah, both have they applications. For me, swapping from digital to film, the limited nature of photos, made me much better at photography.

Kodak dropped some film 30% today which imo is a great sign!

Try some B&W! You can find some bulk film and roll yourself for much cheaper!

agreed, my concern would be if the community shrinks so much that it is essentially nonexistent.

Have you checked at lomography ?

Have you heard of the Fakmatic adapter for using 35 in a 126 cartridge?

Yes, I have the adapter & love it, however, I am wondering if anyone has taken the plunge into bringing back the original 126 film inside of canisters. Seems that there are still many functioning cameras that could benefit once again from it. (And many photographers that want the ease of it.)

@@thecurioussquirrelreviews I believe 126/127/110 filmstocks should be reintroduced to the public for sure. Literally the FOOLPROOF LOL

Digital has turned out to be a pretty good recording medium, and incredibly cheap to use. The big shortfall with digital, IMO, is that the digital cameras have never matched the shooting culture, character, class, or build quality of the all metal, all mechanical cameras of the past. I think of Leica M, Nikon F, F2, F3, Canon F1, Hasselblad 500c, Pentax Spotmatic, Nikomat, Nikkormat, etc.

Agreed, really excited for it!

I've heard that it's going to be a half frame.

Haha, what's the most unique film stock you have in your collection?

@@metalfingersfilm Agfa Ultra 50 and 100

I think it's grown beyond "hipster" limit, or is "hipster" now mainstream? lol

Name one 120mm film camera. 120 is a film product type designation, not a dimension.

bingo, all about the process

Are you referring to their new 110 camera?

@@metalfingersfilm yes

Good perspective my friend, I appreciate your comment. My condolences for your friend. ❤️

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it's not all bad at all! there's never been a better time, in fact!

Thanks for watching, Greg!

Or G2 :)

@@TheLondonPhoto 100%

Have you got a camera yet?

I don’t really do film for the final product necessarily. I do it because I enjoy the process and because of nostalgia of my youth.

There are still cheap stuff out there just need to look i got a free sf10 with 2 lenses and extra film. I got a canon t70 for 10 came with 3 lenses ans works. Just dont fit me so im selling it. I got another pentax woth 4 rolls and a lense.. 8 dollars. Shutter doesnt work.. so no big loss as the film is around 20+ for 4 rolls. Just need to look.

yeah, my hope is that if these films have success, hopefully we can see some more of the industry revive a bit and prices ideally come down.

definitely still tons of great, more unknown budgets cameras out there that are worth buying. I really want to make a video of thrifting film cameras and showing that you can shoot whatever you want and still get good photos.

@@metalfingersfilm my first 35mm was a sf10 pentax. For free. Ive bought a few since then to include the canon T70. Came with 3 lenses. But its not my taste. So that will be sold to help fund my pentax k-1/3. I love how pentax lenses can be used from older cameras for newer dslr's as well.

yeah, that's been a big reason why I've started to dive into Nikon, for their lens selection across bodies.

And Nikon the FM3a

Secondhand cameras and lenses are cheap BECAUSE film stock and processing is very expensive.

@jeannebelmondo That, and there is an increasing demand for film again and the big camera companies don't want that. All in all, I'd rather shoot 4x5 and larger sheet film at $20 per frame if I need to exceed the resolution specs for a given shoot.

Agreed. To be fair, same can be said about some digital cameras too though. You can get a solid digital camera that can do professional level video and photo work for like $500, which imo isn't too bad considering the doors it would open potentially. But yes, compared to a $50 SLR, one is obviously much cheaper.

Agree, for me, film > digital

let it grow baby. then a little beard balm to get it off my lips, call it a day.

I would agree with that; but it does seem like DSLR/mirrorless scanning is the best entry level way, from what I can tell.

Yes, I have it coming down the pipeline, excited to try it out, having seen what I have.

@@metalfingersfilm A point about scanning Harman Phoenix: the base is not orange and my Epson scanner does not generate accurate colors by default. Not a serious issue, I manually adjust each of the RGB channels with its histogram, a bit repetitive but not difficult. Then final color balance tweaking in post (I'm using Affinity Photo). Good luck!

Phoenix is not a final product, but the first experimental color film by a bigger company (Harman/Ilford) not Kodak in many years. The film is not very good as it is, but it shows there is market for a company who have the resources for R&D in this field to produce color film in the future. For a sustainable market, we need other producers besides Kodak. The big question is what Fuji will do in the next 10 years.

I think the notion is that Phoenix is still a work in progress.

I wish Fuji would sell whatever means they have of producing film to a smaller company.

I agree that a camera like that would be a great hit!

The market for film photography is not with the general public any more. They are fine with their cellphones and entry level digital gear. In 1990´s, this segment bought the cheapest film from grocery stores to be used in cheapish automatic point & shoot cameras that were plentiful in the years just before digital imaging became affordable to the crowds. Nowadays. everybody has a "camera" in their cellphone, and there is no market for film for these people. It is, and will be more for enthusiasts and some segments of professionals. We are talking about more serious users than general public shooting their holiday pictures and the Christmas tree on the same roll. Many of these people will process their films by themselves - instead of waiting for 3 weeks. Others choose to let a professional lab make their pictures according to their wishes. "Walmart scans" are not for these people. Instax is an exception, because it is a cheap system sold mostly to the "selfie" crowd - especially in Fuji´s home market, Japan. It is very popular among teenage girls there - the selfie-TikTok crowd. For instant photography, I see more future for the point of the more serious photographer, in the possible return of Polaroid´s films producing paper prints with negatives peeled off instead of the envelope-style Polaroid and Instax systems aimed mostly to the general public. Prices of film have risen, but what many people forget, that the prices 10.15 years ago were at all-time low because a price war, and assumption of film dying in few years. Equipment such as film cameras and enlargers were sold for almost nothing, as "everything was digital". Did not happen, and I don´t see any reason for that happening any time soon. The market is different from the heyday of film. but the 20 years of talking about film dying is not going to happen. Although people protest, and say I don´t get the point, I mean by film photography not just film, but also other aspects of analog photography - chemistry, papers, enlargers, darkroom equipment, slide projectors and so on. It is not only color film which is sent to a commercial lab for scanning, and receiving digital files. You can´t make the esthetics of a silver print - either B&W or color, with an inkjet printer. Even less so if the medium is the screen of a cell phone. I am not saying that everything digital is bad, but it is not all you could do with film. Invention of photography did not kill painting with oil colors, and digital imaging is not killing the analog methods in photography. We are talking about different methods that produce different results. They won´t exclude the other.

And the price of having a camera CLA’d/the unknown condition of the gear you’re purchasing. It could happen with digital cameras, and digital cameras need to be serviced too, but I’ve purchased analog cameras that looked good on the outside, but were the opposite internally. Throw in a roll of film, the cost of processing, and potentially losing priceless images…it’s been enough that I’ve been like, ok, maybe I’ll stick with digital instead

I see more and more people, especially college kids using early digital cams more and more!

need to start that venture here, soon.