$2099 Complete Bike - SAVA F20 Hawkeye Review

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bit.ly/SAVAf20 - The SAVA F20 Nighthawk. Use discount code 'ChinaCycling100" for an extra $100 discount - I get zero commission...so... you do you. :)
My honest thoughts on the Sava F20. An all-round full carbon road bike with fully internal cable routing and 12 speed Shimano 105 all for around $2000. Is it worth it?
Timecodes
00:00 Intro
00:56 Who are SAVA?
01:45 SAVA F20 Hawkeye
02:46 Transparency & Disclaimer
03:36 The Specs
08:24 Ride Feel
10:07 Things I like
12:32 Things I don't like
13:40 Shipping & Logistics
15:05 Summary

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@CuteCatFox 18 күн бұрын

So this is what we should be paying for bikes. Thanks China Cycling, getting better every time in every sense.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 17 күн бұрын

Yes accurate point.

@TheLimeCurd 17 күн бұрын

But then, this is also how Chinese corporations eliminates their competitions. Plus, at this point, China must over-produce to turn its cradle and dumping all kinds of products to the entire world at a near break-even point. You as a consumer think it’s good but actually will result in killing local & national businesses involved in selling American &/ European bicycle brands, harming the economy.

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

For 350 USD more, you can get yourself a Canyon Ultimate.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 17 күн бұрын

@@ariffau Ultimate CF SL 7 is the equivalent 105 bike with no carbon wheels = you will need an extra $400-600 for it. Surely not a bad deal at 2300EUR but will go closer to 2.8-3k more at the end of it.

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

@@TheRimBrakeGuy but it’s still a Canyon. Get this Sava and spec it with D.Ace and Carbon Ti if you’d like. But you know somewhere deeeep down in you would still be thinking of a branded bike 😂

@wtfiswiththosehandles 18 күн бұрын

That's what a bike should cost. I am currently building an ICAN bike, and I don't think I can ever go back to buying overpriced "brand name" bikes anymore.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 17 күн бұрын

No need, at worst you can just pick up a "branded" 2nd hand from markeplace for cheap.

@bikeguyhk 17 күн бұрын

Yes. Support smaller companies. Don't feed the greedy.

@telkmx 17 күн бұрын

I mean when you look at it decathlon provide good value bike with van rysel. The RCR pro with di2 is 5500€ with a power meter full carbon frame fork handlebars and swisside wheels

@wtfiswiththosehandles 17 күн бұрын

@@telkmx It's not terrible, but 1640g wheels are too heavy. Anyway, 5500 euro for a bike is still ridiculous. This hobby and sport is becoming elitist, and I hate it. Admittedly Decathlon is one of the good guys here, they have plenty of road bikes for less than 1000 euro on offer.

@glennicol1361 18 күн бұрын

Sava had a team using their bike in Tour of Slovenia last week. I'm surprised nobody talks about the Gusto Cobra Evo... Well priced bike raced by a few pro teams including Ljubljana cycling team.

@reinharddurnberger591 17 күн бұрын

A bikeshop near me in Salzburg sells Gusto Bikes... Maybe my next bike😊

@zannovak2643 17 күн бұрын

Gusto user, can confirm its great 🫶

@glennicol1361 17 күн бұрын

@@zannovak2643 Tadej Pogocar used to ride a Gusto

@davemellor4697 18 күн бұрын

Joe.....This is unbelievable value.....this is more like what a budget/improver bike should be with decent equipment etc etc

@6295607 14 күн бұрын

Expensive actually

@davemellor4697 14 күн бұрын

@@6295607 Attention seeker!

@THECONTROVERSIALCYCLIST 17 күн бұрын

Joe keep bringing these choices to the people.. Top video 👍👍 Mate you are one of very very few that has a business and that is honest👍. You should be proud of that, as everyone has sold out around you and you have the respect for your audience not to... Complete RESPECT💪💪Well done👍

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

Thanks Benji 👍 I just keep doing my thing. Business is doing well enough and I can sleep fine at night knowing I still have my soul. :) if I jumped aboard the shill train could I double my income? Maybe. But you can't earn all the money in the world, so best not be greedy.

@kevinfrost1579 13 күн бұрын

@@ChinaCycling Joe good call, also pleased PP is working out well, open direct approach is very much respected and valued. 🙏👍👍👍

@savadeck 17 күн бұрын

Great review! Thanks Joe for letting us see the video and the real reviews from everyone, we will keep optimizing our pros and cons.😄

@TwoTroutCreations 18 күн бұрын

Love the classy music! Doing great work Joe!

@wuzihuzi 17 күн бұрын

Been looking at this for while, cool to see a video of it!

@ebikescrapper3925 18 күн бұрын

Great review, thanks for posting.

@stefanohbellote9948 17 күн бұрын

nice one, Joe! It's good to also know these more affordable models from China. I'm going to Shunde next month for work, and I'm looking into buying a complete bike (since I'm not sure I'll be able to buy parts and put them together), and Sava was on my radar since that's around the budget I have... so well timed video! lol

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

You. may even be able to find it a little cheaper in China. ;) ;)

@andrewyeap6878 18 күн бұрын

My 1st carbon roadbike was a Sava. Used it for 2 years b4 changing it. In that time bike was quite faultless except for the cables making a Din when it rattles inside the frame. Weak spot was the saddle locking mechanism which went loose. Other than that it's pretty decent bike

@TheRimBrakeGuy 17 күн бұрын

Bikes are not rocket science. Seeing big companies charging 10 to 15k for one these days is just a slap on the face of the customer base. #neverever

@daviddjerassi 17 күн бұрын

Thanks Joe always an honest review no BS at $ 2100 wow a great price 8.7 kg stable ride not all over place love the review and video Thank you.

@malcontent510 18 күн бұрын

Thank you, Joe

@dodger2051 17 күн бұрын

Are the wheels tubeless compatible?

@Chris-derf5 17 күн бұрын

@chinacycling what's your seat height, for reference?

@rostuchicken 16 күн бұрын

Do you know what the tire clearance is for the frame?

@glennicol1361 18 күн бұрын

I am curious how many of the Dream maker bikes Sava have sold?...

@B.r.o.t.h.e.r.2 17 күн бұрын

I want you to test the Seka Spear RDC and the cheaper one

@zannovak2643 17 күн бұрын

Any good Chinese gravel bikes??

@elijg6104 17 күн бұрын

What's the max tire clearance? And is the steerertube/cockpit proprietary or a standard 1 1/8"? Those would be the only dealbreakers for me

@christopheradonaimarquezga6310 17 күн бұрын

I wanna know the tyre clearance too, the page doesnt have that info yet

@marvinsmall5002 18 күн бұрын

It's game over for those greedy legacy brands... And I'm happy about it. They totally tried to price the consumer into stupid costs. Shameful of them. Great day for cycling.

@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv 17 күн бұрын

There have been cheap chinese carbon bikes available for over 20 years and it hasn't been game over yet..

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

Nice paintjob this one. However, I’d like the green to be brighter. More neon-like.

@dcv9460 18 күн бұрын

VALUE FOR MONEY! 💯😎

@oktayuruncu1127 17 күн бұрын

seems like the bottom stem spacer doesn't really belong to that frame..

@DubenDeFreshDJ 17 күн бұрын

Bro, how are you? i think i asked this before but not answer, what is the difference between Sava and Java bikes. Are they the same company? thanks in advance.

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

Totally different companies... just a coincidence with the name I guess...

@70svd 14 күн бұрын

Looks cool price wise for a 105 is so so, I am interested to know whether Sava included South East Asia in their import tax paid already thanks

@marioferrarello1632 11 күн бұрын

What so you think about JAVA. A friend just bought a “fuoco” model full carbon with 105 mechanical. Cost about 11k RMB in Shanghai. What do you think about Java brand ?

@mike1011mk 10 күн бұрын

I own a Fuoco.. It's 7.9kg with changed wheels + handlebar. It looks like the pro winning Merida Reacto. Bought it for 6,999 RMB local ($960) cause the logos are stealth. The thing flies and I drop many Bianchi, specialized.. All those $15,000 bike boys on the regular 😂

@user-je5po4nz9z 18 күн бұрын

Did you mention the weight?

@PaulGFZ 18 күн бұрын

Yes 8.7kg for the bike he got

@renegadeflyer2 17 күн бұрын

I have two problems with this frame. I would sooner have external cables around the steering tube, and an endurance frame would make me happy. Otherwise an interesting bike.

@Hennevelt 18 күн бұрын

this looks like a great deal. But please make a 61cm frame.... i know there is no chance hehe

@ShoyShoy1980 16 күн бұрын

Hi Joe, what saddle bag have you got there? Looks nice and compact.

@ChinaCycling 13 күн бұрын

Its the Attaquer one... not cheap, but suits my needs.

@jonphotos8631 18 күн бұрын

Joe we need Seka and Trifox on PP!!!

@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 17 күн бұрын

This brand is one of the OGs of quality bikes from China as packages. It was SAVA, JAVA and the heaviest hitter TWITTER that had the best packages. ONLY Twitter had GENUINE T1000 frames and weights to prove it on their Aero bikes. SAVA has a major presence IN GERMANY already.

@buzzmojo7928 16 күн бұрын

how about PARDUS , is this a recommended brand? between Twitter, JAVA, and PARDUS carbon frame, which one to choose ?

@davidcarino6500 17 күн бұрын

I have a trek SLR and something like this no name. Its just slightly heavier and not as stiff. Is my trek worth 2-3 times more? Or warranty? For the average rider from my experience is NO. Remember for the price of my trek i can buy 2-3 of these!!!!!

@telkmx 17 күн бұрын

On the website it says the shimano brakes are r7170 which are hydraulic but in the video you say mechanical

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

Hydraulic braking. Mechanical shifting.

@PeakTorque 17 күн бұрын

Bloody good value bike with great gearing. They will sell shit loads! Same handlebar to Yoeleo.

@DanTuber 17 күн бұрын

The weight is terrible for a 49cm bike. I'd like to know what the frame weight is.

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

Frame size doesn't affect weight as much as people think. Probably 150g between an XS and XL. In the scope of a 8kg bike, thats nothing. I thought the weight was "ok", at this price, something like a Spesh Allez Sport is 10kg.

@AbielRuiz 17 күн бұрын

Really love where the market is headed. Western brands are in deep poo if they dont adapt quickly. These manufacturers are going direct to consumer and the product is better than ever! If the western brands don't adjust pricing on their mid-range offerings, they're gonna get eaten alive by some of these asian manufacturers! I'm here for it alllll

@Silidons91 17 күн бұрын

Sava makes great bikes.

@blazerosyi 18 күн бұрын

certainly a cool bike

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

For 350USD more, one can get a Canyon Ultimate. Same groupset, Conti GP 5000 in 28! no carbon wheels though but there’re CRWs up for sale at Panda Podium 👀

@telkmx 17 күн бұрын

Yeah the frame is probably better QC on the Canyon but who knows? But it has not fully internal routings, cheap dt swiss wheels like 200 the pair i think ? And the wheels are just way better on the SAVA being carbon but not even sure which wheels they are lol.. And sava is 12 speed. But then add the import fees so..

@ariffau 17 күн бұрын

@@telkmx yea, but Sava isn’t a Canyon though.

@telkmx 16 күн бұрын

@@ariffau what does this mean ? Plenty of videos of canyon frames being meh inside. Tho i'm sure the carbon is at least well arranged,,

@williamko4751 14 күн бұрын

@@telkmx that means he works for Canyon marketing department

@williamko4751 14 күн бұрын

Purchase Ridenow inner tube for $30, and you have a sub 8kg bike. I wish the host would mention it.

@glennoc8585 14 күн бұрын

It's 8.8kg you tubed won't save 800g

@williamko4751 13 күн бұрын

@@glennoc8585 you are right. However a pair of Ridenow saves over 200g for $30. Best upgrade.

@fritzgutenberg9048 18 күн бұрын

i bought two amazing bikes

@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv 17 күн бұрын

I've seen the inside of some SAVA frames that looked miserably bad. I do hope this one is a great frame though. We need realistic bike prices. They obviously need to improve the quality of some things - like those seatpost bolts - absolutely needs to be stainless.

@williamko4751 14 күн бұрын

I call you BS. How did you look inside 'some' SAVA frames? I call your post a hit job.

@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv 14 күн бұрын

@@williamko4751 multiple videos on youtube. You can find them yourself easily. "hit job"? LOL. I'd love if all SAVAs were great. I want inexpensive frames

@FT__Bicycling_____-sc7yv 13 күн бұрын

@@williamko4751 Hit job? That's funny. There a lot of videos you can easily find on KZfaq. I'd love if Sava frames are all great.

@sabamacx 18 күн бұрын

Tops out at 56cm. Needs the larger sizes to accommodate the other half of the height distribution in western markets.

@TwoTroutCreations 18 күн бұрын

I'm 6'2" and I'd ride a 56.

@sabamacx 18 күн бұрын

@@TwoTroutCreations alright

@pgn666 18 күн бұрын

im 6' and i ride 54

@galenkehler 18 күн бұрын

@@TwoTroutCreations I'm 6'2" and ride a 60 😂

@TwoTroutCreations 18 күн бұрын

@@galenkehler ouch. I do have a shorter torso and long arms n legs so I need a short frame haha

@Millicente 7 күн бұрын

The 28mm max is a deal breaker for me

@treyquattro 17 күн бұрын

SAVA Brian

@CrapKerouac 17 күн бұрын

Will he sell his soul for a full Dura-ace bike?

@oktayuruncu1127 17 күн бұрын

beter no music while talking

@Carftymk 18 күн бұрын

XS frames often look shit but this one looks nice

@zazzleman 17 күн бұрын

Their contact support leaves A LOT to be desired. You get lots of scammy like responses when you ask them a question.

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

I have zero experience with their customer support. The person I deal with in marketing is very friendly with great English though. :)

@Mr4headCS 17 күн бұрын

If they make a gravel version of this, they should call it crosseye…

@ChinaCycling 17 күн бұрын

PMSL, you should work in marketing.

@diegoeleazar9154 18 күн бұрын

People wants it but no one's riding it 😅

@youtubechangemynamewhy 15 күн бұрын

For the import tax : you can never believe what Chinese says, ( same goes with the bike itself)

@Onigure 17 күн бұрын

Well, officially only Chinese brand bikes are ok for small people using XS or under 50. Good for me and my wallet.

@hauglien 17 күн бұрын

If only they had 60 cm frames...

@musclelessfitness2045 16 күн бұрын

Great review, you shill :P Just kidding Please get the dream maker and review it.

@dwqdwwdwqdqwd2950 18 күн бұрын

under 10kg for 2000usd would be great in eu

@kidShibuya 17 күн бұрын

Now starting their own brand? Now... for decades... But now... Ok bro.

@FL0RI4NN 17 күн бұрын

Too expensive, but reduce price by 500$ otherwise useless ad video

@daovanduy1905 16 күн бұрын

I am Vietnamese, right next to China. Previously, I bought a Sava MTB, advertised as a t800 carbon frame, when I got my hands on a Giant MTB, Orbea. I just realized that my Sava is as soft as noodles. You can squeeze it with your hands, causing the frame to become dented and too thin.

@daovanduy1905 16 күн бұрын

Dental treatment costs more than buying a good bicycle😂😂😂