If I was told that I was going on a deer hunt and max range is 100 yards and I had to pick one of these two, I would absolutely pick the 300 blackout. If the max range was anything more than 200 yards, I'm not taking either

Solid breakdown on why 300BLK is superior at 100 and in 😎

I would love to see you guys test 6.5 grendel vs. 6mm arc!

Have taken multiple deer now with the 300 blk barnes combo. Phenomenal results

Just wanted to say that I have been blown away by Vortex customer service. Long story short i wanted to get into a bit of precision. I contacted them asking for advice because the optic world is just too much for me to understand. The value of these podcasts is what caused me to reach out for a scope recommendation. The Vortex man steered me towards the Venom for me, (Florida, flat land). But I asked about the Strike Eagle and he honestly talked me down to the Venom. I chose the Strike Eagle just to support the value they bring in the podcasts. Bought the rifle, bought the Strike Eagle. I sent a message to them that I think I'm not using the scope correctly, can you help me be better? Not only did Ryan himself call me back with in maybe 1 hr, but he spent over 30 minutes of helping me look at my marksmanship with great detail. I am a nobody. Just an average guy. That Vortex reached out to me to help me identify VERY specific things I was doing and give me ideas on how to work the optic better is unprecedented. I'm not paid by anybody. Although my wife makes a great gumbo.

Having talked to Ryan on the phone about this very subject, I can most definitely state that 300 blk out is effective (Barnes for the win)

6.5 grendel vs 6mm arc, that's a good match up I think

Took two bucks and a doe this season with a 69 grain hollow point boat tail 5.56 at 200 yards. My friend took 3 does with a 300 aac at 150 yards. Both kill with a good shot. Just use what you have especially if you are budget oriented.

You guys rock! One of the overall best KZfaq contents I see is always from Vortex Nation. Thank you

Vortex are at the top of their game. The optics are pretty good too. 😂

Ballistics gell, terminal performance talk, and a Ron Popeil reference, this show has it all

300BLK for versatility. .223 resides in the supersonic, and most people will shoot a limited selection of projectiles for deer, no more so than 300BLK. But 300BLK gives a broader range of choices within the 110-220 grain range of projectiles, including subsonic, which is completely absent in 223. 300BLK for the win.

I would like to see the 300 blackout subsonic and suppressed terminal ballistics. At maybe 50, 75, 100 yards. I would like to use this setup for noise reasons from a tree stand right next to the house. It is also a crossbow stand and no real shots beyond 50 yards are even available.

Need more 77gr TMK. Good video thought

This was the one I was waiting for. Almost as much as 300blk vs .458 SOCOM

I already see the Barnes on the 300 blk table. Game over

Bout time good job guys!!!! Offering bonded , cup n core, and mono projectiles for the testing. Please keep doing them like this

The buck i dumped with my 10.5" 300blk sure thought it was effective. 125 gr SST entered the chest cavity, blew up the lungs and broke the offside shoulder. He went approximately 20 yards before toppling over. Shot was taken at 70ish yards off hand in Kansas.

Thank you guys so much for the great video. Not all the variables but that is too much to ask for. I really would've liked to seen the Barnes 120gr. Vor-tx bullets I got mine pushing 2400fps out of a 16" barrel with accurate 11FS powder. Those is great info. Keep the videos coming love it!!! Thank you again

I swear Ryan must have stock in Barnes bullets or Copper commodities 🤣But to be fair, they're a probably the best material to make bullets out of.. Thanks for ruffling some feathers with this one. Each has it's on merits in certain applications. Just get both.

I like the Federal 62gr bonded for self defense rounds. A+ on the scooter entrance!

Couldn't agree more. These new copper loads really make smaller cartridges work great. I run the 62 grain TSX 556 load in my primary AR as a general purpose farm gun. I haven't taken a deer yet but I've got ever confidence it'll work.

Good comparison. Thanks

😆 Ryan knows that 300 blk is the superior deer round. He does not want to give the win to 223 at the end of this video. He basically said if you hunt deer with any other 223 round than the one we tested, you will not kill a deer, or be ethical.

The story to be told is the 6.5 PRC is the all around best cartridge in the 6.5 class . I’d like to challenge it with a 6.5-300 Weatherby . You guys should do a gel block test .

I’m glad we are moving away from “ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY” and beginning to highlight how important bullet construction/energy transfer to the target is

Great video as always, gents. I want to also vote on a 6.5G vs 6ARC video. And PLEASE, more scooter content! 😁😁😁

.22 caliber is illegal in my state. So the .300 black out automatically wins.

Would have liked to see a comparison with 70 grain .223 vs 110 grain 300 BLK barnes.

Adding to versatility, and you guys already touched on subsonic use for .300blk, but the efficiency of shorter barrels to velocity loss is greater going betwixt the two. Getting in and out of vehicles is a major boon for .300

Took 3 whitetail this year with a 300 blk using 150 gr Federal Powershok. Last one was a doe at 175 yards. She ran about 20 yards. If you're hunting in the southeast a 300 blk is a sweet round.

I know these videos are short-ish and don't dive really deep, but the metrics you have set up here would have had 22lr beating 300blk using your scoring system. Maybe start using a number system? 1-3, 1-5, then add up scores?

Another Great Video Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

Love the videos. The accessibility/versatility comparison in the context of hunting was next to pointless; .223 having 87 offerings in a span of like 40 grains doesn't mean anything when 90%+ of them are for varmints.

110gr Barnes is magic on whitetails within the proper yardages. My small buck this last season was a 70yd shot and it liquified his lungs and ruined the heart without a direct hit on it. If I'm hunting within 200 yards I might never use anything else.

How about 6.5 Grendel vs 30-30 hear me out. 1. Howa mini actions and ar’s are selling like hotcakes while lever actions continue to drastically increase in price. 2. It’s a better comparison than with 7.62x39 because the vast majority of ammo is not hunting ammo. While the grendal is far easier to acquire quality hunting bullets than the x39. 3. The Grendel has the advantage of time or accessibility over other “AR” cartridges. 4. It is in a similar energy class. -1. If you guys wanna do 30-30 vs 300 hammr’ that would be fine to, especially since that was Wilson combat’s benchmark when they developed it. It would be neat to see how it actually stands up.

223 DRT 79 grain. I’ve got plenty in the freezer if you question if they are enough. Both went about 3 steps

Versatility should go to 300blk. There are commercial loads from 87gr all the way to 245gr. Better out of various barrel lengths.

Love this VS series! 300 blk vs 7.62x39 would have been cool. Would also love to see some ballistic “equals” or close go head to head like 22 CM vs 22-250, 6 ARC vs 6.5 Grendel, 6 CM vs 243, 6.5 CM vs 7-08, 6.5 PRC vs 270, 7 mag vs 300 win mag, 7 PRC VS 300 WSM, etc. Also would love to see some improved cartridges as well.

Can we compare 30-30 to the 300AAC

Also look at the 6 Max. Unreal performance

Shoot 208 grain subsonic hornady black and the 300 black out was a 300 whisper its been around a long time exceptional purpose built .

Taken deer with both, most with .300blk. Using 110 grain Barnes tac tx in the blackout is the most effective combination.

you should do 6.5 grendel vs 6.8 spc vs 6 arc

I have deer and antelope in my freezer that both say, "Either is Fine"😊

🤭 I Love The Controversy That Your Creating! 🤗 I Feel Like A "Proud Father" Right Now!!! 😂

Before i watch.... yes shot placement and tip style

What's your recommendation for a dear scope for 300 Blackout?

I’d like to see a comparison of 77gr 223 Vs 190gr .300blkout At 75yrds, which is probably the average distance for most white tails harvested.. in Texas.. great video

Everyone compares calibers using very different bullet weights , when comparing different calibers. How does the 6.5 grendel and 300aac using 110 to 120 bullets on deer. Barns has done good by me but so has bonded what is the difference in penetration.

Most cartridges in the right hands are more than capable of taking deer but in my opinion neither of these should be a first choice for deer especially over 150 yards and way too many parents are putting them in a kids hand to shoot game animals with and are loosing or wounding game. As I said this is just my opinion and personally for deer sized game I believe anything with less than 1000 ft-lbs of energy on target should not be used.

What’s the background music at the end. Love it.

Took my first nilgai(300lb cow) with a 300 blackout. 120gr barnes stuck under the skin opposite side. 80 yard shot.

300blk is great for deer. It my go to caliber for most of my purposes. Its the all terrain tire of the mid range gun world

223 being crowned is fair but when youre looking for terminal effects you cant deny the 300 blackout had it beat. of course this all depends on selecting the right bullet for the application you intend it for

Disagree about versatility. 300 Blackout is FAR more versatile. You're really digging deep to say that 223 has many different loadings and bullet styles. Realistically, 223 has 3: 55gr, 62gr, 70+gr. You give the win to 223 for accessibility, almost all of those "accessible" loads will be one of those, with most being 55gr or 62gr. You can find 110gr, 125gr, 135gr, 150gr, and more on the shelf easily for 300 Blackout. Also, take a look at Hornady's reloading manual--answers any debate about versatility between the two.

My daughter got her first deer with 300blk 110 Barnes. Massive organ damage.

Im VERY interested in this debate since I can't use my 243 or rifled barrel 20ga this season (I had cervical fusion 6 weeks ago). Luckily doc says I can use my Husband's 300 Blackout & my greenfield is max 110 yards....now if I can just persuade the swamp donkeys to stroll out onto the greenfield (can't climb my ladder stands by the creek either😑). Thanks for this video, I was a lil apprehensive about the 300 Blackout, afraid I wouldn't be able to drop em like my rifle or sg.

Good comparison here! I still wish it was easier to find supersonic ammo for the 300

Subsonic vs supersonic 300blk test?

I love the scooters!

My only question is the effect of using short barrels on 300 blackout for the same purpose. I used the 190 sub x out of my 7.5 sbr on a coyote last year and it died, but I don't have the capabilities of ballistic gel. It would be interesting to do a comparison

How could u give versatility to the 223??? Subs plus Supers equals VERSATILITY!

Completely off topic but when i heard "are you ready??!!" all i could think of was Korn- Blind

300 Weatherby vs 300PRC full throttle all the time every time, they would be great to see compared considering both use the same action length and bolt face, and both are big hitting 30cal cartridges

So you just told us what we already knew. I don't think anyone got any extra information. Except for the fact I suppose I have to concede a little bit kind of sort of. I didn't previously have any information on copper Projectiles out of 223.

we need to buy more scopes so they can afford electric scooters 😂

Shootability: Both are well below the recoil which the average hunter can tolerate . Accesability: The .223 is more accessible, but only if you include all the 55gr fmj practice ammo. When you narrow the choices to what you might hunt deer with the choices drop quickly. Versatility: This comparison is focused on the question of "Are they Adequate for deer" not "Most versatile cartridge. Drop and Drift: When considering the retained energy, and likelihood of getting an exit wound, i would never choose to use either of these bullets at 300yrds. To be honest, i would limit myself to around 100-125yrds and at this distance drop and drift would be very similar between these two cartridges. Terminal Performance: Its difficult to argue against the fact the 300 Blkout provided a larger temporary and permanent wound cavity. You can consider categories which can stack the odds in the favor of one cartridge vs another, but terminal performance is the golden rule.

I feel like you guys missed some of the versatility of the 300blk. There is are viable loads for deer and hog hunting on the subsonic side of the house as well, which the 223 simply cannot do. And it works great from short barrels, also something the 223 distinctly isn't very good at terminally. and as far as types/purpose of construction of bullets, I think that if you chose to consider similar construction type of bullets but in subsonic and supersonic; like otms subs and supers etc, bullets for a different purpose, the you could almost double your count for "types" of projectiles. I feel like that should at least give the 300blk a half point to match the 223. But I also think that while not ideal for maybe all varmints, certainly coyotes and like sized game could be handled by a lightly constructes 30 cal varmint bullet, albeit at shorter ranges. But if your not after the pelts, maybe just a culling operation perhaps, then it's totally viable.

I wish we'd check terminal performance at range.

I feel like this video is very in accurate. When hunting deer. Especially with both of these calibers 100 yards should be considered the bench mark range and max range 150.. and when hunting I think the only factor that should be considered is terminal performance. If this is truly a hunting rifle I’m not worried about having the cheap / accessible bullets that are highly favored in the 223 platform. This isn’t a question on what makes the better bug out rifle. Also on the versatility aspect I think that should be a win for 300blk ability to hunt suppressed inside 50 yards plus significantly more factory loadings adequate for taking deer over 223

50 bmg vs 416 barrett please!

Good stuff. Both are good calibers to reload, but I think 300 AAC is easier and has nearly limitless options with .308 bullets; which adds to the versatility factor. Also, you mentioned it, in some states .224 or larger is required for big game hunting; so .223 is a non-starter there.

I love you guys

No 77g SMK?

People don’t respect the terminal performance of 300 blackout enough…

Why must you tease me! I have to wait 2 days!!!

I’ll shoot a .223/5.56 at whitetail inside of 250 yards. My .243 inside of 450. It’s all about practice and shot placement. You ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO KNOW what your bullet does at various temperatures, at various ranges, and in various wind conditions. That only comes from long days at the range and copious amounts of notes. I know my come-ups and wind holds inside of 450 yards by heart. I don’t even have to think about it anymore. A good hit with a .223 or .243 is better than a bad hit with a .30 magnum.

Why don't people ever mention the barrel length they use for 300aac?

Would have liked to see tsx 70 grain barnes doing 2850 may have been able to compete better with the tsx that being said barnes 300 black is hard to beat

Should run same test with bolt versions, foot pound at 100 will look a lot better

6.5 grendel vs 6 arc please!

plenty of deer have been killed by 223 in New Zealand.

Is Marks Printout Memorial Tree still alive? Has he been watering it?

73 grain ELDMurder or 77 gr TMK great for big game

Depending on what loads your comparing, 300 usually out oerforms terminally at 300 by a bit of energy. Bullet drop aint an issue if you know where your round lands, like if your scope just has 1 point sure go 556 but if you hqve the elevation and windage grid of points, its a no brainer 300 will be dead on if you know where it hits. Wind effects 300 less tbh. But terminal performance is all that matters behind a skilled operator.

6.5 Grendel vs 6mm ARC

Many states have a 6mm minimum for deer hunting

When considering 100rd deer rifle .223: shootability , drop/drift .300blk everything else

You need to just have both.

6.8 sps vs 223 vs 300bk

300 HAM'R FTW...

Are we talking southern deer or large Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa Missouri Indiana deer, white tail

I think both would work, but I would actually trust 300 blackout.

Frankly, for hunting deer, only the drop and drift and terminal performance matters. That is assuming you want to be a humane and responsible hunter.

Scoot n shoot?

the pocket fisherman bit was great

Was I the only one waiting for one of the fellas to “accidentally” hit the other in the shin with his razor scooter on the intro?? Just me? Ok never mind…. 😂 great video as always guys!

You missed that 300 BLK can handle short barrel lengths. If you try chopping a 223 to 10" it will slaughter its performance. A 10" 300 is right in it's element as a short handy rifle

If 223 went away, nobody would even notice it passing.