224 Valkyrie with Hornady 88 grain ELD-M: Success!

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@noluckpureskill9985 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you sincerely. This is what the 224 needs someone that's willing to do the work to figure it out. I knew this little cartridge had it in it. It reminds me of a mini 6.5 creedmoor

@mamanes1 5 жыл бұрын

Good job! It’s been interesting keeping up with your progress!

@michael-cp8vq 5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the information and the video it's nice to see someone explaining what they are shooting the load info and how it preforms. I am a new shooter but have really enjoyed 224 so far.

@loadmastergod 5 жыл бұрын

Life, and two blizzards, got in the way on the Hornady brass test, but I did manage to get a SD of 6 at 23.6 Varget seated to 2.275". MV average was 2598 at -16F with a Brownells branded heavy barrel. Probably gonna take this load with me to my first competition next month.

@ifell3 5 жыл бұрын

Seems like your living your dream, good on you, so much enthusiasm.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man- yes, totally living the dream. Not easy to quit the corporate tech industry job, but I did it! No regrets :)

@ifell3 5 жыл бұрын

Take my hat of too you!!!

@randalloc 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the shout out on the group Gavin... We are all about sharing info with all that want to figure out the Valk~!~ Next, try those 80g Red Rockets and some H4895!

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Happy to Randall- great group! Can you shoot me a link RE: Red Rockets?

@randalloc 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader sent you a PM message in FB

@lkazanov 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, 1000 yard range on your own property, a shooters dream.

@ripfletching 3 жыл бұрын

Please more 224 videos

@Ring3R 5 жыл бұрын

This almost exactly mirrors the results I've gotten with my self-built AR-15 .224V. 88gr ELD, Varget, slightly above book powder values (I have no pressure signs, I suspect Hornady's data is somewhat conservative...Sierra's is, IMO, borderline too hot, particularly with the temp-sensitive powders they list as best performers, like RL-17.) I am getting single digit SDs, and essentially identical accuracy, right at ~.5in@100y. I AM running things a bit hotter than you (24.3gr), but I'm also running absolute maximum length to fit in ASC magazines, which I've found have the largest interior diameter for available 6.8spc mags. I suspect we've found the same pressure-node, with my COAL a bit longer and a few 10ths more powder, evening things out. I'm getting 2650fps. I haven't watched all your vids yet, but something that worked wonders for me, because I ran into the same bullet-deformation issues as you: Hornady sells a seating stem designed for their 80gr A-Max, with a profile that more closely matches the 88gr bullet. It drops right in to their valkyrie dies, and it's like 12 bucks. I got that, then took an 88gr bullet and put it in a power drill, covered it in lapping compound, and spent about 2 minutes spinning it into that seating stem (using just light hand pressure). I washed the stem and installed it, and now I have absolutely zero bullet deformation, even with my compressed loads. (I've since done the same thing with another seating stem, exactly tayloring it to the 90gr SMK, which I find shoots best with H4350, but I've never been able to get quite as good accuracy with that bullet and it's twice as expensive!)

@zgennaro 5 жыл бұрын

I can't get the 90 smk to work at all. 3-4 shots of 5 will be touching or one ragged hole but one always goes out 1-2". Driving me insane! I knew they would be challenging but dang. But it's a hobby. I can get the same recoil impulse and extreme accuracy out of my 6cm or 243 win but I like new shiny things.

@viking9934 5 жыл бұрын

Definitely look at RL17 for extruded powder and 2000MR for spherical powder. I've go better performance with both than varget. Their is no reason for your bolt rig to not perform sub half moa easily and get sub 10 SD. I'd like to see you run a 10 shot load development and a true OCW side by side and compare both results. Great content as usual.

@BisonArmory 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed regarding RL17 and 88 ELD. I also find that Win760 is a great ball powder for 224 Valkyrie. Just need to pour slowly into the case to help it compact closely.

@jerrymont2595 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic ! Now i've got to find your video you may have done on walking it out to its most stable and effective distance shots. I haven't heard nor seen a 224, (222, 223 or 224) shoot that well since I saw a guy from Switzerland shoot at the Olympics. Now, i've got some searching to do on your channel to find your video walking your pet load out to its most distant stable (repeatable) and effective range. That guy shooting for switzerland at the olympics shot out to 1000 yards with his customed rifle if as he was shooting at 100 yards like you've just did in your video.

@kooncat9552 5 ай бұрын

I've got a new mossberg mmr 224 valkyrie and it's tearing hell outta the brass, factory load,hand loads don't matter, actually making brass slivers,buggering up the sides of the cases and everyone has ejector marks,,and agine factory loads, and hand loads don't matter

@billstevens5277 5 жыл бұрын

You might consider a spigot mount for the Magnetospeed sensor. It doesn't touch the barrel so accuracy won't be affected.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Good call!

@KKG51 5 жыл бұрын

Ahhh MAN!!! now a 1000 yard range on top of everything else, YOU ARE KILLING ME!! BTW, i have a nice SAKO TRG 42 in .338 Lapua and topped with a Premiere Reticle 5-25x56 scope. I seldom get to exercise it beyond 500 yards or so. How would you feel about a houseguest? ;)

@mariodesmo 5 жыл бұрын

Would love to see some 'yote shooting! Congrats on finalizing your load.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!!

@ramansud2920 Жыл бұрын

Hi Gavin.. have you done any load dev on the 90 grain Hornady A-Tips for Valkyrie.. your channel is incredible :)

@johngunn4573 5 жыл бұрын

What kind of crimp, if any, are you putting on these rounds? Great channel. Thx.

@blueridgebushcraft8294 5 жыл бұрын

Does your crono affect the harmonics of your barrel and accuracy. Good to see you living your dream.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man- this really is a dream... I heard the call of the wild, and I followed it. :) RE: chrono and harmonics- I think in some cases it could, I haven't had that manifest itself yet...

@randytrudeau952 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I noticed you OAL is 2.260. I was told some guys are loading the 88's out to 2.280 and sometimes 2.310 depending on their chamber (.020 - .040 off the lands) and magazine length. Can you comment on your experience with .224 Valkyrie seating depth since you made this video?

@loadmastergod1961 5 жыл бұрын

found my 26" Rainier Arms 7.5 twist barrel likes the same charge with the 88's. but best they will do is 1 inch. :(

@lkazanov 5 жыл бұрын

Gavin, not that sure if you mentioned this or not, but, how far off the lands did you seat the bullet? Or did you simply go by recommended overall length ?

@mackenziejones4890 3 жыл бұрын

Have you had any dealings with the 6mm-ark

@rafaellastracom6411 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Any concerns regarding high temperature stability?

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a tad concerned- may be at peak pressure in 31 Deg F conditions... We'll see after more measurements and analysis!

@posjoey 5 жыл бұрын

Gavin, do you have problems with mirage on that raw stainless barrel? I've got a 6 Creed that looks almost identical to your 224 bolt gun. But after the first few shots, I've got horrible mirage coming off that thing.

@johnjackaman2040 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Gavin Have you tried the Alco Bullets in .224. The 90 grain has a BC of 627. John J

@norcalfocus 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you tried a different primer, if your SD's would drop...just food for thought.

@tedweldon8442 5 жыл бұрын

I got really good results with h414 and the 88 gr. ELD, have you checked the primer pockets on brass after a couple of loading, they get out of spec very quickly.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ted- yes, I'm going to keep a close eye on primer pocket condition, and do a post about it!

@tylerboyer2006 4 жыл бұрын

I have a question? That magneto speed hanging from the barrel dose that affect barrel harmonics and effect bullet impact shift in theory it should have some affect. I would like to see the changes or differences when it's on and off everything else the same that's one of the only reason I have never got one if you could shed some light on that would highly appreciate it. Thanks for all these great series and videos big help learned alot.!

@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын

It could affect harmonics, but I haven't seen that personally yet!

@patrickbradford6223 5 жыл бұрын

Is the remington 700 action trued?

@TommyboyGTP 5 жыл бұрын

I really think this cartridge will reach its full potential when the bolt rifle manufacturers get on board with it. From what i've seen it makes the 22-250 obsolete as a varmint cartridge.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Here's how I think about it: 22-250 is GREAT for super-fast close work (55 grain bullets, 4000 FPS, 600 yards and under). 224 Valkyrie is designed for longer ranges- and yes, it is fun to shoot in a bolt gun!!! Then, there's 22 Creedmoor- is that the ultimate bolt-gun hyper-22? Perhaps I'll see later (2019?)

@TommyboyGTP 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader What's barrel life on hyper 22's like the 22 Creedmoor and 22-243 and others? Can't be all that great if you're in a fast shooting varmint environment. Perhaps in bench precision shooting where shots are done slower? 224 Valkyrie looks to have longer barrel life over the hyper 22's from what i've come across online.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

@@TommyboyGTP Totally true- you can burn out a 22-250 barrel in ~1000 rounds if pushing it to the max. 224V should be better... But that's also why I got setup to rebarrel my own rifles, let the barrels burn! :)

@johnk5778 11 ай бұрын

You need a faster twist 6.5

@donaldenox6332 3 жыл бұрын

Ummmm at what speed would you stop pushing a 80gr eldm. I noticed some high velocity in our 24in. All brass and primers showed no problems to be considered about.

@SlavGuns 4 жыл бұрын

Did you have accuracy issues with factory ammo? Tried 4 different types and with hornady eld match the best being just north of 1 moa. Btw sent you fb message.

@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын

Slav Guns Nothing has come close to my handloads! 70 gr Nosler RDF is most accurate - 1/3 MOA with my AR and the bolt gun

@SlavGuns 4 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader that's what i figure will need to do. Shot Mossberg MVP with 4 factory loads and nothing consistently sub moa. Hornady closest. What powder?

@ke5clr 4 жыл бұрын

How far are you jumping these?

@johnk5778 4 жыл бұрын

What col are you using for 88 ELD Hornady

@ewathoughts8476 5 жыл бұрын

So how much did the case heads expand on your top load, and did you mike the primer pockets before and after? Seems the big problem with 224V has been the short case life when the velocities get to the level needed to match the long range requirements. Both these measurement have to be made on new brass, once fired cases are not useful for either of these test. Max pressure for 224V is only 55000 psi, so you cannot reliably use primer distortion, or ejector swipe to determine pressures less than 60000 psi. Case head expansion is the only close approximation we have to find when we have reached limits. Normally I measure case head expansion of factory ammo, and use that measurement as safe when measuring my hand loads for a caliber (that is hoping factory actually has developed their load with pressure test.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

I'm planning to make a primer pocket go/no-to gauge on the metal lathe- stay tuned- and will look at case head expansion as well. I'm planning to do an in-depth 224 Valkyrie brass longevity post (for Federal, and Starline). Coming soon!

@ewathoughts8476 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader I have the Ballistic Tools Primer Pocket gauge, and find the No-Go side useful so I do not attempt to prime those cases already too big. However, this is not perfect as cases that gauge too big and are too loose with Rem 7 1/2 primers will hold Fed AR primers OK. So like every gauge they have limitations. The Go gauge is only useful to find crimped pockets that have not bee opened enough, or to find which brass manufacturers make the tightest pockets. Example, my Peterson cases will not let the Go Gauge enter the pocket when new unless I force it. Once fired the gauge will just enter, twice fired it drops in. Too bad primer manufacturers tollerences are so loose now as compared to 20 years ago. Too many bean counters running the show.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I may need to make multiple gauges...

@ronaldchiles5550 5 жыл бұрын

Get a bubble level! should shrink your groups.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Ronald- a bubble level won't shrink groups at all (precision), what it will do is help properly isolate windage and elevation holdover to help get you on target (accuracy)- but I use a tilting bipod, so I just keep the reticle level. :)

@chriscollinsworth4727 4 жыл бұрын

Has anyone used the or any Barnes bullet's ????

@michaelkerr9682 4 жыл бұрын

Do you think the .224 is still a viable round? I’m thinking it is. But a lot of people are laughing at me. Saying it isn’t.

@nilescoyote4829 5 жыл бұрын

Gavin, what was your velocity adverage at 23.6?

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

It's in the post! :)

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Group 1: 11.7 FPS SD, 2650 FPS averageGroup 2: 12.6 FPS SD, 2643 FPS averageHornady advertises 2675 FPS at the muzzle for their 224 Valkyrie 88 gr ELD Match factory ammunition, and I’m within about 25 FPS with my ammunition, and given the ambient (and ammunition) temperature of 31 F while shooting, it looks like I’ve pretty much matched the performance of their load. I would expect at 70 F that I’d be within 10 FPS of their claimed velocity.

@stuartgrimm6048 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader Don't know what your elevation is but at 31F the speed of sound is about 1085 FPS. Using your 2650 FPS muzzle velocity and 31F at sea level I'm getting 1076 FPS at 1000 yards using G7, right in the transonic zone. Using G1 I get 1324 FPS at 1000 yards. All calculated with the Hornady phone app. I guess we'll have to see the real world results when you get out to your new 1000 yard target!

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's the truth- the target doesn't lie, right? :) CANT WAIT TO SHOOT THIS LOAD AT 1000 !!!

@nilescoyote4829 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader I predict that the next "range improvement" is going to be a portable or permanent reloading area on the range. ;)

@kentrumm1385 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video. I find it surprising that you are testing accuracy of loads and leave the magneto speed attached to your barrel.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't seem to affect things for the most part- unless you happen to induce a bad harmonic...

@norcalfocus 5 жыл бұрын

My groups will have a different POI with or without the Magneto on the barrel, but group size doesn't change for me.

@paulwatterson5992 5 жыл бұрын

Any issues with primer pockets opening up after 2nd or 3rd loading?

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Paul Watterson see my 224 Valkyrie brass torture test vid.... interesting results

@paulwatterson5992 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader Thanks ... I think Chad was using factory ammunition with crimped primer pocket to reload but that seems a little strange that the primers would be crimped ?

@raider6511 5 жыл бұрын

TGC is having trouble with his 224 Val. He said he can't get it to shoot.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah- I talked with Jon offline this week about it... Shared what I've been up to and the results I've been getting.

@lkazanov 5 жыл бұрын

Yep, i have the same concerns. Shooting anything less than 77g does not make sense.

@kylevanwinkle2081 5 жыл бұрын

Please up your video audio volume. Some of us are trying to watch in fairly loud locations and while the phones we use are capable they wont get loud enough with such low recording levels. You can always turn the volume down on your device but you can only go up so much

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kyle- I just looked, audio levels for narrative are peaking at about -12db like they should.... Does this video sound quieter than others?

@kylevanwinkle2081 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader just slightly. It might just be my phone but I always wish some videos would be louder. Some videos I run across are really loud so I know the phone can get loud but maxing the volume doesnt help the lower volume videos

@theunofficialresults231 5 жыл бұрын

Brass issues? Any? Inquiring minds need to know!

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Working on it! I'm going to test case head expansion and primer pocket longevity... At high pressures...

@theunofficialresults231 5 жыл бұрын

gavintoobe Thanks! I am working on a build right now and looking at the Wilson Combat barrel with the 1-6.5 twist and am really interested in your upcoming loads with the Sierra 90-95g bullets. I am not concerned with lighter bullets that I can use in my regular 5.56 rifles. Great info and keep up the good work, helps alot!

@Warthog71 5 жыл бұрын

Why are we STILL sitting here over a year after the debut of the .224 Valkyrie and still trying to find consistent sub moa results? Not to mention at a mere 100 yards! Having to resort to hand loads for sub moa consistency at that same 100 yards? C’mon, I totally get the challenge of it. I own two myself. But how is this round reasonable for the average non-loading shooter? Am I missing something here? Creating a bolt action.224 makes no sense when the 308 or 6.5 creedmoor is out there. Rifle time set up is the same.

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Warthog- did you not see the .3 MOA results I got, at 600 yards with both rifles? You should check out that video. Comparing a 22 cal to a 6.5 and a 30 cal is like comparing apples to oranges :)

@Warthog71 5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought that .3 was with reloads? (Amazing shooting btw) I’m not knocking you. You’re awesome and I appreciate what you share. My point was that, no other caliber in the AR15 platform has had such a hard road from a ‘factory load’ standpoint across the industry of different barrel makers to the point where some are even changing the twist in attempt to stabilize the heavier factory ammo. I completely understand the necessity of reloading for extreme and consistent precision and perhaps this video on your channel isn’t the appropriate platform to share my exasperation with this caliber. I guess I am just saying, that as a shooter who has two different .224 V’s it’s extremely difficult to gain ANY reliability at all unless I create my own loads. Even with the worst barrels in other calibers one can eventually find a factory load with acceptable accuracy and reliability (within reason)

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Warthog- those were my loads- but with new brass, and bullet seating depth to factory spec- so it's kind of like factory ammo really. I think what we're really seeing here is like a lot of other things- when you push things to the max- things are a LOT less forgiving. I'm thinking of my 2001 Dodge 3500 Dually with hopped up Cummins Turbo Diesel- you can really burn some HOT EGTs towing up a pass, and even overheat. I've pushed the factory cooling system beyond what it was designed for, etc. would I trade my truck for a more stock one? NO WAY!!!!!! :) :) At least mine is a 6-spd manual, so I don't have to worry about blowing up Dodge auto transmissions :)

@Warthog71 5 жыл бұрын

gavintoobe LOL! That was a FANTASTIC analogy! Merry Xmas Brother!

@keithdunnivan8099 5 жыл бұрын

I recently bought a 224 valkyrie and am wondering what my best option for factory rounds is. I would like to shoot accurately past 500 yds.

@thompsonjerry3412 5 жыл бұрын

Your conclusion seems to negate your system of load development and finding a speed node, just pick the top charge?

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

This time it worked out that way, but it's not usually done that way :)

@jessmurphy5532 8 ай бұрын

2/8-12/88

@TexasTrained 2 жыл бұрын

Gavin quit taking your head/cheek off the stock..Just trying to help ya brother.

@jessmurphy5532 8 ай бұрын

Bulk

@trevorfurlotte 5 жыл бұрын

Trigger tech break yet?

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

No, why? It's doing awesome.

@trevorfurlotte 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader hearing about recalls and triggers breaking a lot up here in Canada

@Ultimatereloader 5 жыл бұрын

Trevor Furlotte That’s strange, haven’t heard of that!

@trevorfurlotte 5 жыл бұрын

@@Ultimatereloader there was a recall on their 700 triggers, maybe AR15s too

@jimhans1 5 жыл бұрын

Trevor Furlotte only recalls I’ve seen of late from trigger makers was the one about a year ago from Elftmann on their adjustable AR15/10 trigger groups. I’m a dealer for Triggertech and am always carrying stock of their products, they’ve never contacted me to send them anything back. Nor have we had any customers unhappy with their triggers.