After living with the 40kWh Leaf since February, I can confirm you've pretty much got this spot on. :) It's great, and in normal life it's fine, those longer journeys are also fine so long as you're sensible with charging. Running down to 40%, then charging back up to 90% seems ideal, as per Lemon TeaLeaf's experiments, even if you're driving at 70mph. Using the bottom 20% really makes things heat up, so if you can stay out of it until your last leg of the journey you'll get faster charges. Also provided you leave with a nearly full battery (don't start a long trip with a rapid right out of the gate!), you'll be fine. Normal day-to-day stuff, I don't even charge my car at home every day because it just doesn't need it with the miles I do. I can usually get 2-3 days between charges.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Aaron Russell lets be honest, the vast majority of people will use the car in exactly the same way as you. Whilst it’s frustrating this issue exists it shouldn’t stop the majority buying one👍
@computerbob065 жыл бұрын
"Even if you're driving at 70mph". That's not that quick!
@discoverkenya9 ай бұрын
@@computerbob06 it’s literally the nationally speed limit
@georgebarlow37246 жыл бұрын
Top bloke. Great video. Thanks for the honest review. My opinion, and I'm an ICE driver at the moment, with absolute intention of wanting my next car to be an EV, is that the New Leaf is just not worth the money. I, like you, could live with it for most of the time. But 3 or 4 times per year I do a trip of 300 miles in my Fiesta, which cost me £20k. I fuel up at home and can do the entire trip on a full tank of fuel. I want my next car to do at least the same without all the stopping. I know it is cheaper to juice up an electric vehicle than the cost of my petrol, but the truth is we are talking about a £30k car here, and considering this is the 2nd generation Leaf, Nissan have done nothing to convince an ICE driver to become an EV driver. And when you consider the Kona, and not too far away the Niro, I just can't see why anyone would part with £30k for this. Poor show Nissan!
@iancox63415 жыл бұрын
Have you thought about leasing "vanarama" "anycaronline" have some great deals. Can usually beat the local dealers. Plus the have great customer service IMHO. Putting only 3 months rental upfront!
@georgebarlow37245 жыл бұрын
@@iancox6341 yes I have. I've been looking at Drive-Electric. Thanks for the other two suggestions, I'll check them out
@dr-k16676 жыл бұрын
I'm disappointed in Nissan for many reasons, but I do thank them for bringing EV's to the mainstream leading the way to Kia and Hyundai EV's.
@chrisbarrow99096 жыл бұрын
Got that demonstrator sat on my drive now from Westovers,turning out better than i expected had for 2 days.
@williamcox11765 жыл бұрын
N-CONNECTA £26,890 at 40kwh Hyundai Kona Premium 29,495 at 64kwh So £2,605 more, but no need to charge anywhere and if you do, it has battery thermal management. Had an Ioniq for the last 2 years and just about to upgrade to the Kona so haven't tested charging after a long journey so could be talking bollocks but don't expect to have a problem. My biggest problem with using an electric car has always been charging, On my occasional long-range journeys, normally on motorways, has been the reliability of Ecotricity's chargers, never the speed. Never used chargemaster as the £8 a month for a card is a waste of money for the number of times I would use it. But £2,605 would solve the whole problem, and remove the need to use a charger anywhere except for the very odd trip, and that would probably be holidays when you have the time to bugger about. Always felt its better to avoid a problem than to learn to live with one.
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@williamcox11765 жыл бұрын
What a weird reply.
@EVRevolution5 жыл бұрын
I echo Aaron's comments, the 2018 Leaf hits a great sweet spot of usability and price for a vast majority looking to get into BEV ownership. No need to be disappointed in this Leaf as it's quite capable for the majority of trips and usage. As long as buyers can make an informed decision as to whether this car is right for their needs and wants or not, then they will be very happy with this choice!
@santinorider75364 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This leaf is the perfect second car, you use 95% of the time.
@busheybushdawg3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I was starting to feel a bit depressed reading all of these comments. I bought a 2019 leaf yesterday, but still have a CRV for long commutes
@dr-k16676 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you have heard, but the replacement battery cost for the Leaf has risen from $5,500 to $8,700 . Owners are livid and rightfully so, since their batteries are degrading because they didn't use a TMS ( thermal management system). With new options coming to market, many who were once loyal to Nissan will be moving on and even as a used second hand car market, the Leaf has lost a lot of it's shine. Nissan only has themselves to blame.
@gregandkaruna66745 жыл бұрын
But how much is a Tesla battery once the the 8 year warranty runs out should it fail for whatever reason?
@dr-k16675 жыл бұрын
Great question. I have no idea, since their batteries are still going strong in their vehicles well after the warranty. The moment someone has to pay to replace it, they would have had the car well over 10 years and definitely over 500,000 miles. The only people who have those kinds of numbers are taxi and limo services that uses Tesla's and most are on their original battery. But when it does happen, the cost will be much less than it was when they originally put it in because the cost just keeps going down, they own the factory and they have economy of scale. I would guess, a new one will be less than half, so about $3-4,000 and after all those miles it would be worth every penny.
@rossmc405 жыл бұрын
I think there are two major reasons for this. Firstly Nissan have sold off their battery manufacturing arm so sourcing batteries is going to be more expensive for them. Secondly the batteries are just not needing to be replaced in anywhere near as many EV's as expected. This means they are now going to be manufactured in absolutely tiny numbers (probably to order, especially as they don't make cars with the 24 and 30kw packs anymore), again bumping up the price
@gregandkaruna66745 жыл бұрын
Except for the many that have failed under warranty as well as drive trains, so I hope you are right. After the 8 years "if" a battery fails it will not be cheap, and since no Model S are out of battery warranty as yet, we will have to wait until 2020 to find out costs. Model 3 owners may not be so lucky if they do higher than 15,000 miles per year as they have a mileage limit of 120,000 Miles.
@rossmc405 жыл бұрын
The majority of Leaf battery replacements were on the original 2011 model in hot climates (before they changed to the lizard pack). Plenty of examples now of Leaf Taxi's with over 100k miles on them and no battery issues. What I hope will happen in the future is 3rd party packs will become available. It's something they are already working on and competition would drive battery prices down. I'm not as familiar with Tesla's pack but isn't there a model S out there that does a shuttle run to vegas with over 200k on it? I think they did replace the battery under warranty (when they didn't have to) at around 150k but due to it being out of balance from constant super charging (which they tell you not to do) rather than degradation.
@andrewgardner7104 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your time and effort making these films for us.
@maximilianholland6 жыл бұрын
Ryan - as well as not offering much of a step up from your 24 kWh in practical terms, the other big problem is that the depreciation loss on the 40 kWh will be large since it's a compromised design which quickly be seen as such now that proper 2nd gen EVs are arriving (Kona, Nero, etc). If you want an interim step, a used Leaf 30 kWh is a much value than the 40 kWh.
@jimetat68385 жыл бұрын
Good video. We have recently completed 375 & 430km round trips. A rapid on the way and one on the way back both at full 43kw. No issues on either trip but it is longer than in an ice car. Next gen 60kw+ cars with better efficiency will hit the sweet spot of usability. The Leaf40 does have a great boot , loads of space.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
OK, Jim, but before driving back on that 215 km (=430/2) trip, the car had a few hours to cool down, correct? And your first rapid charge was how long? 15-20 minutes? And the second one was longer, about 45 minutes? How about the travel speed? I assume, below 90 km/h (55 mph), correct? The second rapid charge in summer is slow unless all criteria I listed are met, more or less. > Next gen 60kw+ cars with better efficiency will hit the sweet spot of usability. Correct: Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro, all Teslas.
@thesmallrougeone6 жыл бұрын
Similar distance in our 30kWh last weekend. Two rapids at 65 and 85 miles for ~30 mins but we were eating or drinking coffee too. Speed was limited to 60 mph though to stretch out the range in the middle in case of charger issues. Think I'd struggle to justify a step up to the 40 kWh and probably more likely to go for a Kona or Niro if/when we swap the back-up ICE
@raven4k998 Жыл бұрын
na just replace the high voltage battery with that cold fusion reactor they had in the DeLorean in back to the future two🤣
@Peter8Roberts5 жыл бұрын
Why did you need to charge it twice for a 233 mile trip? It will easily do 130 miles on the full battery and then charge to 80% will take around 30 minutes which will complete your trip. I think you need to spend more time with the car and learn how to use it. I know it has it's issues but driving 233 miles is not one of them. Trying to drive 400 miles might be.
@AndySeal6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video. You don't sound 99% convinced, or 100%. Is it worth the £4k deposit and £400 per month? above what you have now? that's the real question. Great video, thanks
@scottwills46985 жыл бұрын
I’d hang on for another EV if you can, VW announced their ID car (the one that looks a bit like a Golf) will start at €25k with a 46kwh battery and will do 200miles on a charge, as you said the 60kwh Leaf and the Model 3 should be out early 2019 too, I know you can keep waiting forever for prices to come down and range to improve but while I have been waiting for the Model 3 to arrive in the UK I have been saving my money up and EV’s have improved greatly (I believe even the Model 3 short range has had a breakthrough with the battery and Tesla are saying 250miles now (and that’s EPA)). So I’m happy to wait for another year save up some more money and buy when I’m happy with the cost / range / specification of what I’m buying.
@davidbarr57836 жыл бұрын
Good video as always, much appreciated. As regular driver between Barrhead and Derby, where I work, my thermal management on my Q90 Zoe works a treat. Never had any temp issues. Hottest the battery got in the summer was 36c whilst charging. I am currently at Gretna Services, 210 miles into my 300 mile trip home, and it's charging well on only its second rapid charge. I do 60 mph but as much as I like the gadgets on the new Leaf I couldn't part with my Zoe for it. Nissan shot themselves in the foot with this particular model.
@TeslaModel3Adventures5 жыл бұрын
It's a real shame that Nissan have "engineered" this software throttling. I understand the reasons, they're protecting the battery to avoid warranty claims. We loaned a 40kWh Leaf during delivery delays on our 40kWh e-NV200, and we too experienced big overheating problems, with us sat for hours charging the thing, wondering if we'd ever get home. The dealer was "surprised" when we told them, but assured us that our 40kWh e-NV200 wouldn't have the same issue because it has thermal management, but unfortunately it does suffer from the exact same "engineered" throttling. Right now it's a mute point because the van is off the road awaiting parts from Japan. Thirty thousand pounds, not on a PCP, is a lot to spend on any car for it to fail as it has. That coupled with the so called rapidgate is leading us to seriously consider returning it to get our money back. I can't understand how Nissan could've misjudged this one so badly. Great video. All the best 👍
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
e-NV200 Adventures amazing. I didn’t realise the env200 had the same issues. Everyone points to it as an exam prof what Nissan should have done with the Leaf!
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Actually, e-NV200 is something in-between. It does have battery cooling (TMS), but it switches it on only while charging (AC or DC), not during driving. As a result, the battery may be overheated after a rapid-charge, but it uses only passive cooling until being driven to the next rapid charger. Coming in hot, it behaves similar to the Nissan Leaf. So e-NV200 is better than Leaf, but still far from a Hyundai, Kia or Tesla. Even worse than the BMW i3. Bjorn Nyland established this on a test in Norway. It is online.
@TeslaModel3Adventures5 жыл бұрын
@@richardpetek712 Yes and we too experienced it first hand when a 258 mile journey took over 10 hours, and that was after a long haul flight, and no sleep for 24 hours... not the safest of journeys.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
If the car had a full battery at the start, the trip shouldn't take less than 7 hours. If the battery were empty, but at least cold, add 45 minutes for the first rapid charge from 0%-70%. This Bjorn Nyland's advice is for the Nissan Leaf, but you could copy-paste it for the e-NV200 too: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9-ToK-C18_JgIk.html I suggest you watch some of his old videos on e-NV200 and Nissan Leaf. 258 miles (or 410 km)? In a Leaf 40 kWh?This takes one full battery + 2-3 rapid charges of 30-45 minutes, depending on charger position. You should never need 10 hours for that trip, even in a Leaf. Simplified summary: avoid driving at over 100 km/h, 90 km/h may be better for summer. Charge to about 70%, maybe 75% whenever possible, not more, since you are wasting your time. If you can reach the next the next charger, you can use the rule of thumb: when the charger starts showing 25 kW or even less, move. You probably way over-charged, I sincerely hope you didn't wait for 100%. If you did, you threw away one hour every time you did that. Once you charge, do a 45 minutes charging stop (or less). Make it 60 minutes only if you really want to. Never more. Regard every charge beyond 80% as an "overcharge" which you should do only over the night and only before a long trip - when you have plenty of time. Avoid a discharge below 15% because it starts to overheat the battery. Down to 10% might be still OK, below that it becomes an issue, the battery starts to build up heat faster. Ok, to summarise: e-NV200 is significantly better than the Leaf and it is also the only EV of that size so if this what you desire, it is OK, just don't expect that it will make miracles. Drive at 100 km/h or 60 mph, (it's a minivan, correct?), don't under- or over- charge and you should be fine. Daily trips up to 500 km / 300 miles should be OK. A round-trip may be even longer if you can charge at the destination since it will cool down the battery, even on AC, but the car has to be plugged in - and switched on. That's a Nissan bug, sorry, "feature". Do well!
@TeslaModel3Adventures5 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, thanks for the reply. Apologies Mr EV Opinion for "squatting" illegally on your KZfaq comments page :o) We'll be moving along soon, I promise.... "bloody squatters!" I've been watching Bjorns videos for a long while, as we researched and considered the e-NV200. And yes I watched with interest the video he did about the e-NV200 (40) and the similar rapidgate issues. On this particular journey, it was Gatwick Airport to Hull. The journey going took about 7 plus hours, starting off on 100% from home. We arrived at Gatwick with 13%, which went down to 11% over the three weeks it sat there (valet parking moved the vehicle a couple of times). So yes it had a relatively low SOC for the better part of a month. We drove ten minutes to Tesco in Crawley, and even that first rapid charge took over an hour to get up to exactly 80%. We've alway stopped at 80% on rapid chargers. It's a journey that I never want to do ever again. On the last charges we were pulling in like 14 to 18 kW... it was painfully slow. We were severely jetlagged, and I was struggling to stay awake, and for the last 100 miles I drove at 45 to 50mph to get us home. No heat on, an unusually chilly evening unfortunately at the end of August. Horrible, horrible experience. Our e-NV200 is currently off the road awaiting parts from Japan. We now have Leaf Spy, so at least we can keep an eye on the "real" battery temperature on long runs in the future, and implementing Bjorns and LemonTeaLeafs' suggestions, hopefully we can manage the battery temperature better, and avoid where we can the charge throttling. If you find you can't sleep one evening, you can hear me recalling the awful journey here at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5N1ea9k1tjPfGQ.html it'll work better than Nytol :o) Kind Regards Richard
@jcfallows5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there is a way to improve thermal management of the battery ourselves. In my kitchen I have a special metal plate that defrosts food much faster than leaving it on a plate. The metal absorbs and desipates heat rapidly. Could a number of these plates be stuck to the battery pack underneath the car or something similar like a finned heat shield? Maybe aftermarket innovators will tackle this problem in future. If I were upgrading my EV now though it would have to be for the new Hyundai Cona. Great review as usual.
@marksTips4666 жыл бұрын
Ian I always appreciate and thank you for your thoughtful perspective. With all the negative publicity about Nissans charging issue on the 40 kW battery it’s a shame that they did not care enough to fix the problem for 2019. Because of this I think they will lose thousands of customers to the competition. Keep up the good work!
@jerrywines3825 жыл бұрын
Good honest video that seals the Leaf's fate for me. The lack of active thermal battery management has ruined a great looking and well-equipped package. It was billed as a quantum leap forward in usability but instead looks more like a baby step to me. The Kona has made Nissan look lazy and complacent in comparison.
@GrotrianSeiler5 жыл бұрын
Really excellent, informative video. Thanks for doing this.
@JonathanPorterfield5 жыл бұрын
Good review on #rapidgate, its just not progress for nissan ! They really messed up big time , so close to it being the best value 40kwh ev around , all for the sake of active themal managment !
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Porterfield I think they got complacent. It’s as if they didn’t see the next generation of EVs coming! If they had advertised it as a city car with limitations they wouldn’t have had the backlash they have had but it would have been overpriced. Let’s hope they get the 60kwh one right 🤞
@vampireechidna6 жыл бұрын
I'd hold out for the 60kwh. Its reported to have themo battery cooling. I had a 30kwh and found its had about 30% more range than my 24kwh. That might get you an extra 20 miles and one less stop on a long journeys. The 40kwh is somewhat disappointing, Ian's Zoe seems a more possible solution.
@neiloakey51835 жыл бұрын
BUT... thermo cooling and heating uses battery and hence reduces your range, especially if your making lots of short journies... and I speak from experience from an i3, which is meant to have an advanced battery temperature management system, gobbled up 30% of my range on short journeys.
@ianmathieson655 жыл бұрын
“...reported to ...”. With a 60 kWh battery active battery cooling is essential to avoid an even greater battery temperature rise during driving and rapid charging. Even Nissan wouldn’t attempt to do without it for a 60 kWh battery.
@jockmoron5 жыл бұрын
Interesting that we now know that the 60kwh battery does not have thermal management either. It remains to be seen if the same problems arise, which on the face of it, would seem likely. @@ianmathieson65
@chrisabbott6836 жыл бұрын
This really doesn’t look like progress. The forthcoming 60kwh version is the answer, but at what price premium over the 40kwh? Kona seems the way to go.
@spacedoutET6 жыл бұрын
I think its just down to the individual and what works for you. I done alot of looking around, but most my journeys are short. Maaaaaybe every now and again, long, but that rare. Judging on the price of a new leaf, i couldn't justify buying 1 at the price. I picked up a 2nd hand 30kwh one, only 9 months old with 7 years warranty on battery for almost half price of a new one. I didnt see the point paying double for what i need. I also am keeping my ice car as my long distant vehicle only for when needed. Its only £30 to tax, has massive space and 7 seats. Only 119co2. Cheap insurance and if i keep mileage down by using the leaf on 90% my journeys, then im keeping wear and tear cost, such as tyres and brakes to min. This way they last longer and i have the best of both worlds, rather the spening another 16 grand, just for an extra 10kwh battery and newer look. Plus mines still bigger with 7 seats and ideal for holidays. Not to mention id lose a fortune if i sold it, coz they devalue so fast. If i bought the 40kwh leaf new, it would also lose value so much also. Best of both worlds i decided in the end. Obviously this is just my situation and everyones different. 😉👍
@malcolmstreet12 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I live in Canberra Australia and bought a year old 40 kWh Leaf a few weeks ago. I was also concerned aboutbattery heating and power consumption on high speed cross country trips so did a test run to a friend's place in Goulburn, a c. 180km (say 110 mile) round trip. Weather was similar to your test (c. 20 degrees C) and I was on the legal limit of 110km/hr both ways, with a couple of hours break. My battery temperature was way lower than yours. At no time was it over around half way between third and half way up, about the same as I get around town, which was a pleasant surprise, as was the lower power consumption than ABRP had indicated. Do you have any ideas why the battery pack temperatures might be so different in apparently similar circumstances? Also, it would be interesting to re-run your test now with the updated firmware that was released in the wake of the Rapidgate controversy, that allowed higher battery temperatures to reduce throttling.
@neilhollow19377 ай бұрын
Interesting we have a 62kwh leaf and although I haven't been monitoring the battery temperature that much I've never seen it reach half way when I have, or even change perceptibly with driving (b mode, no e-pedal, ecomode on). Aside - recently started using e-pedal and love it. So in early October made my longest journey from Birmingham to Scotland. 100% charged night before departure. Used drive settings above. Temperature 18C till Scotland then it cooled down to about 12. Drove up M6 and M74 at 50-70 (traffic jam at Lancaster cost me 30minutes of crawling) with lots of hills at Shap and Southern Scotland. Charged over my lunch at 50Kw charger south of Preston to just over 80% (30 minutes ish). When I got to Abingdon I was at 24%. Could have made it home (just), but thought I might need the car the next day and wanted to try out the ultra-rapid charger (120Kw). Got my fastest charge ever. Went from 24 to 85% in just over 30 minutes (max rate 100Kw of course) but was still charging at 36Kw when I disconnected. This suggests to me this is not a problem in more recent Leafs. PS would have made me it home with 9% charge and the journey even if had paid for the electricity at my mum's was a quarter of what it would have cost me in my old civic with non motorway prices for petrol.
@petemoore54445 жыл бұрын
As usual a brilliant video.....I'm looking to change to a Leaf in the near future but I'm hanging fire to see if Nissan sort out this charging headache before I commit myself. Your videos are always helpful and informative.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Pete Moore thank you. I think you’re sensible. By the end of 2019 we should have a even more choice as the likes of VW start to produce EVs😁👍
@TheSpeedygift5 жыл бұрын
Glad you had a good long test. I requested a 2018 leaf test drive with my Nissan dealer and got there to find that they had given the 2018 leaf to a service customer, they suggested that I try a old leaf which got shot down. I complained and they agreed to bring a 2018 leaf to my house for 24 hours, which was fine, unfortunately the car that was delivered did not have the map SD card (which disabled a lot of the the display functions) and NO cables so I was unable to try changing for the 24 hours. which meant I had REAL range anxiety as I was limited to 140 miles! The car seems OK but I would not use that dealer if they paid me. (since heard other negative things about them) They don't appear to know how to sell cars.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Philip Robinson some dealers are useless! Hopefully it hasn’t put you off buying an EV. There are plenty of others out there😁👍
@enyaq_gorm6 жыл бұрын
Hmm I bought the 40 kW second hand doen in Carlisle. I left the dealer with 89% charge and drive back up the m74 at pretty constant 70 mph. 95 miles later I was at 29% charge. Plugged into an instavolt charger and it charged at 45 kW. Around 30 minutes later (I wasn't measuring it was charging as long as it took to buy and drink a coffee) I was at 90% charge. Maybe it's down to the fact that the ambient temperature is generally around 10 lower here in Scotland than the south of England but I've yet to encounter rapid gate. I typically do a 70 mile round trip at 70-80mph and I charge happily at 43kw on the local CPS rapid, 45kw on the local instavolt. The rate only drops off when you get above 60% charge but it does that regardless of temperature in my experience
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
domhnall dods could be the ambient temp? It sounds like you have found the perfect car for you. Rapidgate isn’t an issue for most people and a lot of people who comment negatively have never driven the car!
@enyaq_gorm6 жыл бұрын
@@EVOpinion I definitely reckon that could be a big factor. I only got it at the start of August and the temperature has generally been around the mid teens. Even after a motorway dash and rapid charging the battery temp has only ever gone up to 32 so well below the top of the gauge. Just noticed that car you had was the same colour as mine, white with the black roof. Great combo but a pig to keep clean. I bought the car after watching your videos and lemon tree leaf's videos. All very helpful to anyone considering an EV.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
domhnall dods brilliant. Thanks for letting me know. It was down to KZfaqrs that I bought mine so it’s nice to know I’m able to pass some help on 😁👍
@enyaq_gorm6 жыл бұрын
@@EVOpinion no problem. I actually bumped into James from lemon tree leaf at one of our local rapids last weekend, turns out he lives locally 😀
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
The first rapid charge is always OK. The second one depends on being in summer or winter. All the next ones will be at 22 kW, give or take, ranging from 18 to 25 kW. Google "Bjorn Nyland Nissan Leaf rapidgate".
@donatoottawa6 жыл бұрын
I recently completed a 400kms (250 mile) journey with my 2018 Ioniq and it was a breeze. 20% to 85% fast DC charge in 25 minutes adding about 90 miles or 145 kms. Overheating wasn’t an issue at all. I had the choice of purchasing the 40kwh Leaf but I’m glad that I chose the Ioniq.
@_TrueDesire_5 жыл бұрын
Canadian baylor i really want an ioniq but i need the rumored 39 kWh battery to make my weekend trips :/ hopefully it will be released sometime next year. btw, do you get 40-50 kW on a fast charger?
@donatoottawa5 жыл бұрын
TrueDesireHD Absolutely. It depends on the fast charger of course but on a major network here in Canada I max out at 45kwh and on an another network I manage to hit 49kwh. The current Ioniq charges at that rate up to about 82% then at 87% it drops to 33kwh and at around 87% it drops again to about 23kwh where it pretty much maintains that rate of charge until it stops charging at 94%. These are approximate numbers but if you want exact figures there are posts on Ioniq forum that provide the exact info. I suspect the 39kwh Ioniq will be similar to the new Kona and Niro which start to drop at 70%.
@rossmc405 жыл бұрын
I recently done 250 miles in the leaf and it was a breeze as well. 18% to 83% in 39 mins adding 120 miles range. 2nd charge (which I might have got away without, but i'm not that brave!) started slower at 36kwh but if I had to hang around would have taken the same time as Ryan's first charge. It's only if you need to do 300+ in a 2018 leaf you will notice any problems and frankly if I have to go 300 miles it won't be in a car. Nothing agains't the Ioniq though, cracking motor.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
TrueDesireHD, the Hyundai Ioniq really may have 28 kWh of usable battery (30,5 kWh in total), but Nissan Leaf has 36 kWh usable (and not 40 kWh as claimed, this is the gross capacity). Since the Ioniq is 10-20% more efficient, the difference between these two is far smaller than you may think. You should reconsider your options. If range is really an issue, consider buying the Chevrolet Bolt 60 kWh, Hyundai Kona 40 or 64 kWh or Kia Niro 64 kWh. Any of these charges at about 45 kW on 50 kW chargers. Hyundai and Kia are capable to go beyond 70 kW on the coming faster (100 kW+) CCS rapid chargers where Ioniq charges at 60-70 kW. Any of these three is far superior to any Nissan.
@johnnorth93555 жыл бұрын
When is progress not progress ? When it's Nissan battery technology on the Nissan Leaf. It is clear that they have tried to steal themselves some breathing space with the 40kwh battery over earlier versions by recycling the same tech. but with bigger capacity. They obviously hope to hold market share whilst the 60 kwh is in development and launch. Someone was asleep at the wheel (or invested in the wrong battery production plant) and missed completely what the competitors were doing. Management refresh needed.
@davidg63706 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video. It has confirmed that the #40 LEAF is not for me. My #30 PCP ends in March and at the moment, the only affordable option for me is to refinance my #30 and pay off the balloon payment. I do an annual trip to Dusseldorf from Bristol and it's clear that the #40 would be slower than my #30 LEAF for that journey.
@johnpollard49985 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that you selected “B” Mode on and “ECO” off. I find driving in “B” Mode particularly unpleasant and the acceleration is perfectly adequate in ECO mode. Once on the open road I also turn the Epedal off. I purchased my Acenta model as a second car, to date it has not exceeded a 130mile out & back journey, and has only ever been charged at 7KW at home or on local free charge. Originally I was looking for a second hand 30Kw Leaf with 6KW charger, but the prices were holding up high and I could not find a tidy car. So I purchased my new car online for a fraction over £21K. For the money it is a reasonable car, however it’s ride quality is poor and the ergonomics of instrumentation & cabin storage inadequate. Currently the EV charging network cannot be relied upon to guarantee a charge every time, and the rfid cards do not appear to have universal use at any charge point. No, I do not wish to use my iPhone or iPad to gain access to charge. Until this situation changes EV’s are only suitable for relatively short journeys or a toy to play with.
@forwardfaith5 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2019 Leaf totally intending for it to be just a commuter car. I wanted to take advantage of the full $7500 US tax rebate. The Bolt I think is down to half the rebate and the sticker price is higher. I got the base model so the cost worked for me. I have no intentions to do any rapid charging. However, if the Kona had been available in my area, I would have jumped on that. When our ICE Kia is sent to pasture, I hope to get another EV, but I can say for sure I would not want that to be the Leaf. Liquid cooling will be a must.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
David N especially if you plan to cover higher miles. The Leaf is a great car and had Nissan been honest about its capabilities on launch I don’t think it would have had half the bad press it has.
@peterseddon83636 жыл бұрын
Nissan have definitely got it totally wrong with this car, even an Ioniq will thrash it. Now the Kona and the Nero are out then you're going to see a slump in sales. Its a pity because it has a fantastic spec on the tech side, the battery is going to let it down badly.
@santinorider75364 жыл бұрын
EVs should always be regarded as your second car, you use 95% of the time.... A 40kw battery is perfect size. Any bigger, just takes too long to charge at home or on the road. Personally their should also be a smaller, lower cost leaf model (leaf mini) with 24kw battery and 100 mile max range. This fetish with range is madness.
@markwebber46996 жыл бұрын
This is what i tried to work out after rapid gate. I came to the conclusion the 40kwh is the same old tech and charges at the same speed as my 2014 leaf24, which when were in 2018 and with the progression of evs its awful. So glad i didn't get one now just a few months and will have a car that can do 100% with ease and future proof aswell with its 100kw rapid charging.
@FancyaBevMate5 жыл бұрын
Your right on many points mate I like to think of you being part of the first wave me in the second but its the third wave of owners that will get the real benefits and I'm not talking about the 60kwh leaf I'm talking about the next 2022 leaf and other bevs in around 4 years time. 60kwh will be the bare minimum density of batteries will be much smaller lighter and the motors hugely more efficient then and only then can the prices start to drop. Sadly along with all of that will be the end of vlog like mine as range and duration will be of no concern. Cheers
@markwebber46995 жыл бұрын
Yeh I tried to get a ev that made plans for the future this time as we sold our ice and now just have the leaf24. This is way I ordered a kona I needed a car that can do all journeys and this ev I will keep until 2024 when warranty runs out the hopefully solid state and self drive is available.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Mark, the answer is: Tesla, Hyundai, Kia. Possibly Jaguar or Audi. Skip the rest.
@markfitzpatrick66926 жыл бұрын
As I have said before I loved that you took the time to visit Ian . I like the new leaf too but in the USA I need more miles so it will be a used bolt ev or a 60 kWh leaf. I have a 2012 leaf now
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Mark Fitzpatrick I do wonder if the Leaf would sell so well here if we had the Bolt as an option?
@chrisbarrow99095 жыл бұрын
To add to my prev comment we took that same car from Poole to Bristol yesterday we drove 82 miles to Bristol Aerospace,left home 100% arrived with 45% ,GOM gave 68 miles range still,A350/A36/M4/M5,keeping up with traffic,after the museum we stopped at Wessex Nissan charged for 15 mins batt went 44 to 68%,temp in middle chsrge rate 39kW at start 31kw when i stopped it. Went back via A371 keeping with traffic flow got back on 21% total distance 161 miles temp still in middle ave economy 4.5 m per kWh,
@michaelgoode41046 жыл бұрын
Not really impressive suggesting that the 40 is no better than the 24. Clearly the Kona is the sensible choice now.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
MIchael Goode that’s the issue now for Nissan. They aren’t the only option anymore!
@michaelgoode41046 жыл бұрын
EV Opinion Absolutely. 12 months ago Nissan had very little competition yet we all knew that the Kona was coming. Nissan's strategy clearly was not to compete with the Kona but also they made a fatal error in their judgement. A bigger battery equals longer range but by not managing that battery they have taken away much of the benefit of that against say a 30kwh Leaf or even an Ioniq. How could they have been so naive? I never imagined that I'd ever own a Hyundai but it looks ever more likely as our first EV.
@gregandkaruna66746 жыл бұрын
Everyone keeps forgetting that the Leaf is still just a city car. We have a 24kwh Leaf we have had it for 1.5 years and only once has it traveled more than 150km in 1 day. The Nissan has one thing that no other car had and that's 97% reliability. Would I buy a 40kwh Leaf? No but at the same time I would not buy a Kona or any other EV as our 24kwh Leaf is perfect. We drive 500km per week and save $100+ per week over petrol prices, currently it costs $2.41 per litre, which is 3x more expensive than the USA pay. We save $5000 per year in fuel savings alone and it cost us $10,000 to change from our ICE car to this Leaf and it's paid it's self off in just 2 years.
@be2365 жыл бұрын
Looks like Nissan just wants to keep the LEAF as a city-car... That's ashame.. I prefer its looks... But unfortunately, I'm in "the states," where we won;t/can't get Kona EV or Kira Niro any time soon (eg, maybe 2+ years from now)... sad...
@pauldavison71055 жыл бұрын
The future of EV cars is to replace ICE so to view Leaf as a "city car" is going to make the Leaf lose out until a larger battery version is available. Kona and the Niro on the horizon are going to blow nissan out of the water as their crossover styling is more in keeping with current fashion and their EV application is better than Nissan. I wouldn't consider an EV unless I had a range comparable to ICE after all I dont want to be charging everyday.
@santinorider75364 жыл бұрын
My nissan leaf is my perfect second car, that I use 95% of the time....
@raven4k9982 жыл бұрын
do you drive it in minus 40 degree weather?
@danbracken-neale85676 жыл бұрын
I'd wait for another year then there will be far more choice such as VW Neo or the Kona
@derekholmes46695 жыл бұрын
There's no way I'd swap my 30kWh leaf for the 40kWh. Yes, it's got a few more bells and whistles but it doesn't charge faster. You've got maybe an extra 40 miles before your first rapid and then it will charge slower on the second and third rapid. Ironically, the 30 is a better long range car (ie 250 miles plus) than the 40. I won't be getting another Leaf unless it is able to rapid charge faster -- and I mean it's capable of accepting higher speeds from a new generation of rapids -- and the battery has thermal management. My heart says Model 3 next, but my head and pocket is looking to the Kia Niro. Nissan has some catching up to do.
@Les_Hewitt6 жыл бұрын
I don't know why you would want to put up with such a car that you will still be a struggle to get you from A to B on a long journey. In just a marginally shorter time that it would take you in you 24 kWh Leaf. The whole point of having a bigger battery in an electric car is to dispense with the worry and long charging times. I don't know why you're making excuses for a very inadequate, not fit for purpose vehicle.
@rossmc406 жыл бұрын
You don't struggle with 99% of journeys thats why. I've done over 5k miles including a couple of 250 mile trips with 0 issues
@Sofala6 жыл бұрын
The problem with bigger batteries is they don't charge very quick, with the exception of Tesla but who can afford one of them?
@RWBHere5 жыл бұрын
This car is fit for purpose for most people, so it needs no excuses. If you're doing less than 150 miles per day (i.e. most people), then you'll never need a rapid charger. If you're travelling up to 250 miles in a day, then you can manage with one rapid charge somewhere in your journey. I don't know about you, but after 2 hours of driving, I'm ready for a leg stretch, and some rehydration. That takes 20 - 40 minutes; long enough to recharge the car for the next couple of hours of driving. At that point, most people need a break, rehydration and food. If you're using motorway services, that process can take a big chunk out of an hour; plenty of time to recharge the car, even at throttled charging speeds. I've never had to drive more than 400 miles in a day, and really wouldn't want to drive for that distance in any case. On British roads, speeds are generally not as high as people. like to think, so 400 miles can take easily more than 8 hours of driving time, plus your essential breaks. From first hand experience in conducting traffic monitoring surveys professionally, it's plain that, on a lightly-used A road (the A16, for example), the average speed of cars is no more than 48 mph in daytime, and for many stretches, it is about 40 mph, with some sections as slow as 35 mph. B roads generally cut average speeds to between 30 and 35 mph. From my personal measurements on motorways, average speeds were generally between 40 and 55 mph, and almost never higher than 60 mph, even when travelling at close to speed limits as much as possible. I don't speed, so accept that some cars might attain faster average speeds, but my driving license has to stay clean. In a nutshell, purchase the car which does what you want it to do; never buy a car which doesn't suit your needs, and then you'll never need to complain about its short range.
@Les_Hewitt5 жыл бұрын
RWBHere, I agree with most of what you have said but I think you've missed the point. Nissan more or less implied that the Leaf 2.0 was an electric car you can drive for long distances in because of the larger battery pack. Just because the distances you travel are comparatively short doesn't mean that's what most people have in mind when they buy a car. If say a salesman or woman needs a car to travel from the South of England to Scotland two or three times a month and buys a Nissan Leaf 2.0 thinking they only need to make 3 short stops to rapid charge and have a cup of coffee and something to eat. They won't be too pleased when the third time they need to charge the rapid charge is throttled back and it take 2 hours to charge. Making an 8 hour journey into a 10 hour journey. They wont be too pleased either when they are told to only drive at 55 miles an hour to keep the battery cool. In other countries such as the USA people go on road trips where the distances can be much further. One of the main reasons people that drive petrol and diesel cars now don't wont to buy and electric cars is because of the charging times. All they'll see is the difference between the time it takes to fill up their car 3 times and the time it takes to charge their car 3 times. They wont be thinking of the time they spend eating and drinking. They'll be thinking about 15 minutes or 4 1/2 hours. The whole point about Rapid Chargers is that they are RAPID. (Unless you charge 3 times in a Leaf 2.0.) Don't get me wrong, I drive an electric car but I think the Nissan Leaf 2.0 will not encourage people to buy electric cars.
@FancyaBevMate6 жыл бұрын
Ryan I just had a thought (sadly I won't be able to test this as I'm not changing my wheels to the 16in but more importantly the 205 section tyres) and that is with less friction (we know about the efficiency of the smaller tyres on both our videos earlier this year ;)) but maybe that lessening of frictional forces might also help keep the battery cooler? It's a thought ;)
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Fancy a Bev Mate? And a very valid one. Unfortunately it’s one of those things that is difficult to test unless you have a set of both wheels available?
@rossmc406 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Porterfield and James Coates are driving two 30kw Leafs up to Scotland at the weekend. One is an Acenta and the other a Tekna with the bigger wheels, could be interesting to see if it makes any noticeable difference.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Ross McMillan I saw they were doing that but didn’t realise they were in different cars. Will be interesting to see what happens?
@irishjg16 жыл бұрын
Hi George. Are you close to your eagerly awaited 20,000 mile report. I’m really looking forward to seeing it.
@FancyaBevMate6 жыл бұрын
irishjg1 Hi mate 1500miles to go :) not long now. Cheers
@mondotv42165 жыл бұрын
So what happens when the battery starts throttling while you’re driving? Weird you didn’t use Leaf Spy to report actual temps - must have been a reason. At least the 60kW version will have active cooling - lets hope Nissan gets it out sooner rather than later.
@TassieEV5 жыл бұрын
Interesting comments, they have just put in the first rapid charger where I live although not in the same city but only a 50kW charger hopefully future ones will be the higher 350kW models. But the 40kWh Leaf has just launched here in Australia no pricing or launch date is my understanding. Yes the 60kWh Leaf is coming next year supposedly with the active cooling that may be better although the Kona EV & Niro EV are also coming soon.
@stephenclay68526 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the leaf. Looked at one. and my mate has one of the 40 kw leafs . Now would I buy one no with the next generation cars coming out ie Kia Niro Ev the new Hyundai Kona Ev the new Kia Soul is also out next year all have way better range and active cooling for the battery. Me personally I am going to try the new Kia e Niro when it comes out later this year. Enjoy the videos keep up the good work.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Stephen clay it think that’s a sensible option. There are too many choices now or in the near future to just think the Leaf is the only affordable option.
@FancyaBevMate5 жыл бұрын
Such a shame no other bev has an e pedal they could easily develop one of the best features on any fuel powered vehicles including the past century it's that good. Cheers
@mondotv42165 жыл бұрын
Fancy a Bev Mate? I think most BEVs have some form of regen braking. Epedal is just one iteration. I personally like Mitsubishi’s variable regen braking with 6 different levels available from steering wheel paddles - but that is the only one I’ve used on a PHEV. I can’t see the 40 kWh LEAF being that popular in Australia where in Summer ambient temps regularly hit 40C+. Still not available here.
@FancyaBevMate5 жыл бұрын
@@mondotv4216 The E pedal isn't regenerative braking mate yes all bevs have regen the E pedal means you can drive one footed even up and down steep hills. No other bev has it mate. Sorry I thought you knew what it was. Hope this explains why the leaf is unlike others. Cheers
@mondotv42165 жыл бұрын
Fancy a Bev Mate? Actually ePedal is a form of regen braking - just more aggressive than some other iterations plus it incorporates hill hold and brings the car to a complete stop (must be using friction brake for last 5 kms/h). The original Tesla roadster had it, the BMW i3 has it (one pedal driving - they don’t call it ePedal). My Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV nearly has it, in B5 it’s pretty aggressive but not quite much as the LEAF as the battery pack can’t quite take the charge that the LEAF can (only 12kWh) but you can almost do one pedal driving after the initial 15% is used from the battery. The only real difference is it won’t bring the car to a complete stop unless it’s slightly uphill - but where it’s really useful (in heavy traffic or twisty roads) I’ve gone my entire 25km commute without using the friction brake until except at 1 set of lights and parking. So I think I’d love the even stronger ePedal. Unfortunately can’t test drive a LEAF in Oz as Nissan is dragging the chain downunder.
@hondaguy91535 жыл бұрын
The charging station affects your charging rate. The Nissan dealership chargers here only charge at 25-30kW, Most of the others charge at 46kW. Leafspy will show you the battery temperature. 😁
@ianmathieson655 жыл бұрын
Great assessment of the 40kWh Leaf on longer journeys, thanks. Please would you mention how many miles you covered from charging at home and after rapid charging, and what was your state of charge immediately prior to each recharge. Many thanks.
@mk1photography625 жыл бұрын
I lease a 30kw Leaf and today I have done a journey to and from our boat the total mileage was 156 an i only charged once at ecotricity I to used own a 24kw hour leaf and love the simplicity of its charging I will not be going for the new leaf I may be looking for another 24kw!
@SiEffen6 жыл бұрын
Really informative. Similar situation with my journeys although my PCP has another 20 months to go. So hopefully by then there will be a load more options. But I totally get the concern over the rapidgate issues even though it's unlikely to impact on any of my normal trips. Will be interesting to see the impact of the competition on Nissan's efforts going forward, including pricing.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Si F-N indeed it will. Hopefully they will reduce the prices once the 60kwh one is launched 👍
@peterwaller5 жыл бұрын
You could live with it. The fact is with today’s competition you don’t have to. I would also be concerned about the long term health of a battery that heats up so much. Ioniq is coming down in price. I’ve done a 500 mile trip on my wife’s Soul EV. Easy. Biggest worry is charger reliability.
@StuartDWright6 жыл бұрын
If only an ionic were an option, I think you’d go for that
@Luke-J5 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you would consider another Leaf with Cars like the Kona and Nero knocking on the door. Sure the Leaf has a better interior but the other two are just better at being an EV and don't have silly issues like rapid gate. The drive train in the Leaf is certainly 'first gen EV' still.
@wobby15165 жыл бұрын
Interesting! I think you might just have a bias towards the leaf, which I understand after all you like the car. However what you have shown me is that the 40KWH leaf has offered little improvement over its predecessor and that’s a real pity. I feel that increasing the battery size on the new leaf implies a better car with much improved range. I believe that because Nissan have not gone for active battery management they have scored an own goal when with proper battery management they could have produced a very good car. It’s true that most people only drive a few miles each day but that’s really not the point, would anyone by an ICE car that could do just 130 mile or so between refills and the wait 30+ mins to put 60% back in the tank?
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Wobby 1 I guess if it suits your needs it’s a great car, if it doesn’t then forget it and wait for one of the more reasonably priced, longer ranges EVs 👍
@wobby15165 жыл бұрын
EV Opinion It’s not so much the price or the fact that it might suit some people. For me it’s the fact that Nissan have introduce a 40kw version of their leaf car that’s really no better than its predecessor, that’s what I find misleading. Sure it will work fine for some people but that’s really not the point, usually a bigger battery pack would mean a better or at least that’s what I would think. This is not an attack on anyone more an feeling of disappointment with Nissan.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Wobby 1 they should have been honest from the start and not advertised it as a go anywhere car!
@markgaudie805 жыл бұрын
As you know I have just done a European road trip in a Tesla Model S with Mike Ward. We expected to get near 120kW from the supercharger network from 0% to around 80% SOC. sadly this wasn’t the case. We even contacted Tesla to see if there was an issue with the superchargers or the car itself. We only managed to draw a maximum of 90 kW to 60% SOC on the whole trip of 3000 miles. The supercharges then throttle down to around 50 kW or less from 60% to 70% SOC. Then from 70% to 80% the charge rate drops to around 36 kW. So to get a decent amount of charge in a Model S it takes around one hour plus. Myself and Mike where under the illusion that Tesla superchargers would give you a charge from 0% to 90% in under an hour. We totally understand why chargers throttle the power. Prolonging the life of the battery is key. You only get to learn these things through prolonged usage of the vehicle. We actually found it quicker to charge a Tesla from a 50kW Chademo after 60% SOC. The 50 kW charges throttle down a lot less than the superchargers above 60% SOC. So basically what I’m saying is if you are wanting to top up your Tesla and you are already at 60% SOC you are better off using a 50 kW rapid over a supercharger. Never heard any Tesla owners mentioning this in the past it really set us back on our road trip. But now knowing all this information we would charge differently. If any Tesla owners on here would like to comment I would much appreciate your feedback.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Every EV throttles down the charging speed after a certain charging level, mostly at 50-60%, this is how Li-Ion batteries work. In smartphones, in laptops, in cars. Tesla is no exception. EVs actually offer higher charging speeds (comparing to battery size) at low SOC than phones etc. since they have a far better BMS. The key is, you leave having 60-70%, occasionally 80% if you had a lunch. Treat this 80% - 100% as a kind of "overcharge" which you do only at home before going for a long trip. Over night you have a lot of time. OK? Tesla? Superchargers are at a distance that you drive from one to the next. If you had a lunch at the first one (charging for 45 minutes or more), you may possibly skip one. Better? > So basically what I’m saying is if you are wanting to top up your Tesla and you are already at 60% SOC you are better off using a 50 kW rapid over a supercharger. No. If you have 60%, *you should not top up* at all, unless really needed (or having time in excess) ! And no, CHAdeMO could be faster only for a short period of time. At about 80%, it will be pretty the same as on Superchargers. As a result, it's no big difference.
@be2365 жыл бұрын
Great video.. Glad I bought LEAF 2017 with 30kWh battery... I can get about 110 mile range on it... And with my short commute (about 10 miles a day) charge up about once a week.. I can imagine had I gotten 24kWh LEAF, I would have been disappointed with its shorter range and I would have to charge up twice a week...
@stevezodiac4915 жыл бұрын
The 30 kwhr leaf overheats after 4 consecutive rapid charges on a long run, I know, mine has done it on a cool evening. The 30 kwhr is more prone to battery degradation because of this, if you regularly go into the red. The 30 has it's problems as well but different ones.
@be2365 жыл бұрын
Neal Archer Luckily I've not had to do two QCs in a trip yet... But yes, at one time QC, my battery temp bar was a bar or two short of the "red zone." It was kinda scary...
@Two-Vees-In-a-Van2 жыл бұрын
Another informative video, thank you
@foxylady10485 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 Leaf and putting your foot down on the motorway at 70mph will heat your battery quite a lot. If you would have set it for just under 60 mph you would have been fine.
@rockymonge49795 жыл бұрын
On my 24 kWh battery I get 50% in 15 minutes(from 25% to 75%) then another 15 minutes to 90%. I think everyone is disappointed with the throttling of the 40 kWh battery. You just don’t know what to expect. Since you(and I) as a 24 owner really think in terms of 30 minutes of rapid, it still is about the same number of miles in that 30 minutes. However everyone was expecting better and that’s why it’s so disappointing. 40 kilowatt charger you expect if everything optimum, half the battery in half an hour.
@LeFrez5 жыл бұрын
We should not even have to have this discussion and these tests should not even have to be done. What you have discovered here is that the brand new car is **only just** better, almost equal to, the previous one. Despite having 16 kWh more capacity and being a new design, it does not provide you with more. You said yourself, you're 99% there. For a new model, it should be an improvement... especially in the EV world which should be advancing. I'm sure Nissan omitted active cooling for cost reasons, there is no other logical reason. It's a crying shame, as I am sure it will put people off, in fact I'm sure it has already. disclaimer: I don't have an EV and am not in the market for one - but I am very interested in them.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
You are asking why? The answer is: planned obsolesce. They are doing this since the first Nissan Leaf 24 kWh. The market has forced them to make the future 2019 Leaf 60 kWh, but watch out for the price they will charge for it :( The conclusion is: they don't want to sell EV because they have very nice ICE cars in production.
@stevemccormack48755 жыл бұрын
Interesting. It seems to be that if you are not doing more than 250 miles per day the charging will not trouble you too much. On the island of Ireland where I grew up, it would be rare that you would do much more than 200 miles per day. I still think that Nissan should have used battery thermal management but I guess they got away with. Communication with the public was actually their biggest problem.
@guitarplayerforu5 жыл бұрын
I think there needs to be a major breakthrough in battery technology before electric vehicles can properly replace petrol's. There needs to be a battery that can charge as fast as it takes to fill up with fuel. I think it will come eventually, where you can go as far on a charge as you can in a petrol and the battery fully charged in the same amount of time too. Electric vehicles need to cost the same or less than Ice variants for them to sell as good I think. I do love the sound a petrol ICE makes though, I will really miss it in the future when most vehicles are powered by electric. They could run a ICE on pure Alcohol and it'd be nearly zero emission anyway, makes you wonder why they've not done that, especially with Hybrids too.
@craigcodling4815 жыл бұрын
A very reasoned case. Well done.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Rapidgate is an issue depending what you need the car for - and a bit also on the charging infrastructure. As I have commented already in the early spring 2018, based on a detailed test by Bjorn Nyland, Nissan Leaf 2.0 40 kWh is fine for a *daily trip up to 400 km* (250 miles) in summer and up to 500 km (310 miles) in winter, if you don't mind to drive at about 100 km/h (60 mph) and not faster. Add about 100-150 km (60-100 miles) more if this is a trip where you have an intermediate stop where you can do a Level 2 charge for at least 4 hours (preferably 6) during the stop, for example a round-trip. But that's it. Once you get beyond that, you are facing doubling times for rapid-charging. The first rapid-charge will be good, the next might be ok (but only in winter), all the ones which are following will be very slow, in essence twice as slow as the first one, give or take a few percent. For example: I recently had a 900 km round trip in one day - in summer. The first route would be somehow OK, but I wouldn't be able to drive at my normal speed of 120 km/h (75 mph). Driving at 100 km/h would significantly increase travel time. Even doing that, I would face reduced charging speed (and increased time) at the second charging stop. So comparing to other comparable EVs (like Hyundai Ioniq) this would add about 3/4 hour to the travel time, mostly by being restricted in driving speed, but partially also by Ioniq being able to charge faster all the time. Don't even try to compare this to Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro or any Tesla which would be 1 hour faster at the destination. The returning trip would be outright painful: needing a charge of about 75 kWh, give or take 10%, it would make a huge difference if it is at 45 kW or at 22 kW. You do the math. Even if starting with a full battery (effectively having about 35 kWh on board) with a Level 2 charger at the destination, missing about 45 kWh (you don't want to arrive empty, right), it's still a big difference if they are charged at 45 kW or 22 kW. Comparing to other EVs which can drive faster and are not restricted in driving speed, this would add 2-3 hours in travel time on the return trip. When in other EVs the trip would take less than 5 hours, you do the comparison. To make it simple: Nissan Leaf 2 40 kWh 2018 is designed as a short- / mid- range commuter car. If that's OK with you, no problem. If it is not and you want a more long-term investment, go for the Hyundai Ioniq (same class, but without the battery overheating problem) or the newer ones: Chevrolet Bolt, Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro EV - or simply any Tesla. The shortest version: Nissan Leaf 40 kWh is a car that is planned to be obsolete very soon. If not sooner, the new 2019 Nissan Leaf 60 kWh will put it in that place.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Richard Petek spot on assessment. If Nissan has advertised the Leaf as a short / mid range car then people could have made an informed decision. Unfortunately they advertised it as a go anywhere car and it backfired on them!
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Expert users like Nikki Bloomfield (Transport evolved) and Bjorn Nyland have publicly warned them about that issue. Nikki did that in September 2017: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/haiGaturst3Lj58.html They ignored that warning and swept it under the rug, the answer to Bjorn Nyland was "we did something to prevent battery degradation". Since March 2018 we know what they did. It has a name: rapidgate. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNWDjL1ox7zMiZ8.html Some people say the 40 kWh Leaf is a compliance car and I have to agree.
@BabyGonzo56 жыл бұрын
Leicester to Kilve, charged at southbound Gloucester no issue. We also did Leicester to Marlborough the other week, no issues.
@LeFrez5 жыл бұрын
But that's just one charge, right?
@NigelWickenden5 жыл бұрын
In January, I told the sales person that I wanted a car that I could drive 650 miles in a longish day on a trip to the South of France. I was told the 2018 40kW h Leaf would do this. It won't. I did a 270 mile trip and charged twice. The second time it throttled back to 6kW straight away. Not acceptable. The car is great to drive and live with, but, it doesn't do what it says on the tin.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Nigel, you may not know how EVs work. They charge fairly rapid up to about 60-70%, but then they start to throttle down. The problem with the Leaf is that when the battery is hot, the charge at low states of charge, instead of being at the nominal (maximal) speed, it slows down by 50%. In your case, when you plugged in for the second time, you probably were already at 90%, therefore it could charge only very slow. 650 miles (or 1040 km) in a longish day? You would blow it with a Leaf, it is one of the worst EVs for long trips. For that, buy a Tesla Model 3, a Hyundai Kona EV or a Kia Niro EV. You won't be disappointed. And avoid the rest.
@countteddy5 жыл бұрын
within 2 years after market battery upgrades will be available to improve range on the older EVs.....I love my ENV24kw , I love how basic she is , I would just love 200 miles real range from her ...
@attilab.28183 жыл бұрын
What do you think of doing the usual yearly summer trip with this car which is 1200 miles each way, stopping in Germany after 600 miles for overnight, then another 600 miles to our destination? Would it be possible with the 40 kWh Leaf? it would be a perfect car for the rest of the year and we would like to this trip as well with an electric car. If not the Leaf, is there anything you could recommend on the used market for under £20k?
@DopeyDalek5 жыл бұрын
Have you definitely discounted the Ioniq? I've just done several 100 mile motorway journeys and the average consumption is still above 5.2 miles per kWh at speeds between 70 and 75 mph indicated speed. I was surprised to see the Leaf below 4miles per kWh.
@pault51796 жыл бұрын
Imagine a long range Model 3 on a road trip, discharging 90% to 40%, then recharging in 20 mins at 200 to 250 kW with next year's V3 supercharger?
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Actually, the charging level should go between 20% and 70% and not 40-90. Beyond 70% SOC almost every EV charges significantly slower. It is a waste of time and it degrades the battery faster.
@pault51795 жыл бұрын
@@richardpetek712 Charging to 90% overnight at home before a road trip is easy if necessary (there might be more Tesla superchargers soon?) www.tesla.com/findus I've recently realised that 75% to 45% is a sweet spot, giving 30% dod (100 miles with the 310 mile long range Model 3 battery) with only 0.12 cycles of battery wear (shown by Accubattery on Android), with about 50 to 60% apparently the best idle level for the best calendar life i.e. topup to 60% daily for very short trips. A 7kw charge at home is C/10, probably very good for the battery life?
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
@Paul T, your proposal is hits precisely what I would suggest. I suggest two sources, but actually they will pretty much confirm what you have said: pushevs.com/2018/04/27/battery-charging-full-versus-partial/ batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries Starting with a higher state of charge is for saving you some time on the road trip, not because of the lack of chargers. With the Tesla Model 3 Long Range, you can make a long leg in the beginning. At 120 km/h (75 mph) it has a consumption of roughly 20 kWh/100 km, so your first leg could be be about 320 km (200 miles) (75 kWh net capacity, 90% - 10% DOD). In real life, that's close to 3 hours of driving, you'd want a rest anyway. But there you can decide: you either can have a shorter break (about 20 minutes) to get to the next charger or a longer one (40-ish minutes) to skip one. insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-road-trip-champ/ But about twice per year you should calibrate your battery management system - charge to 100% and discharge very close to 0%, doing this very close to your garage and then charge once again to 100%, once. And you should subscribe to this guy, Bjorn Nyland. He is the accumulation of all technical and practical knowledge of nearly any EV in the world. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rJp2qaWiva7GpmQ.html If he tests and makes even the #rapidgate Nissan Leaf usable for medium long trips, than you know that he is an expert. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9-ToK-C18_JgIk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nNWDjL1ox7zMiZ8.html And whatever I suggest here, it applies to all EVs (Zoe, i3, Ioniq, Kona, iPace, Tesla ...). You just adjust distances according to the battery size. The only difference are driving speeds. If you want to optimise travel time, Teslas should drive faster since they Supercharge very fast. For all the others, 110-120 km/h is quite fine. On the other hand, e-Golf shouldn't drive beyond 100-110 km/h and Nissan Leaf is optimal at 90 km/h since both don't have a thermal management system (battery cooling). The exception for them are of course short trips where none of them needs rapid charging, but that's a special case.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Oh, and one small note - any charging speed below C/2 is optimal, so 7 kW or 11 kW doesn't matter, even at the smallest batteies which have about 30 kWh. Only rapid charging puts some strain on the battery, but you will read about it in that article. I just quoted that this becomes a problem only when you charge a *hot* battery very high. So doing some rapid charging won't do any significant harm to the battery (of course, with the exception of Nissan Leaf which has no cooling), but otherwise - forget it. A car is here to be used, not to be merely looked at and wasting hours while it slowly charges, just to save 0,0001% of degradation. After 15 or 20 years, at the end of its life, it is absolutely irrelevant if the battery has 5% or 10% degradation.
@PlanetCypher_5 жыл бұрын
So basically an older 30 kwh Leaf may well be better than the 40kwh Leaf for longer journeys. The 40 seems ideal for a 2nd everyday vehicle, but for the price thats a no go, and especially as Nissan did not market this car as a local runabout. As we all know now its a real shame Nissan could have had a massive hit because all the other details about the car I really like. They are still selling alot of them though, maybe alot of second hand ones will hit the market in 3 years when they all get dumped as people get fed up of them.
@fouroakscrafts72404 жыл бұрын
Great video and review! I've been considering the 2018 Leaf as a used car purchase. I live outside Atlanta Georgia and commute roundtrip for 70 miles. My work location has chargers, but sometimes those chargers may not be available. So I'm thinking 70 miles (without charging) is my worst case. With the 2018 Leaf and the 120 mile range will I ever have a problem doing 70 miles? We do see summers here in Georgia with temps in 90's (F) and it may get down into the 20's (but usually briefly) in winter. I'm just wondering what range I would get under those temps and driving say 70 to 75 mph speeds.
@BuryAllRivals2 жыл бұрын
Has this issue been sorted now? just ordered a 2018 model as it was too cheap to refuse...never usually go more than 80 mile round trips so this shouldn't trip me up at all but maybe on airport runs could be an issue if I ever get to go on holiday again lol
@Ddagum14134 жыл бұрын
I. Got my 2019 Nissan Leaf rated 150 miles . Depending on speed,weights and terrain. You’ll get 100 miles maximum. Very disappointing. Every body’s doing 75mph and above if your slower than this you’ll get run over. Weight if you have 3 to 4 passenger, your out of luck .if it’s up hill for 15 minutes you have to pray that you make it with downhill recharging.
@jeroenimus75286 жыл бұрын
I agree that on most journeys it wouldn’t be an issue. Any further than 250 miles on a day however and you seem to be screwed. We’ve been to the south of France earlier this month in our 24kWh Leaf, from what I’ve seen I fear we wouldn’t have been any quicker in a 40kWh Leaf instead.
@EVOpinion6 жыл бұрын
Jeroenimus trike adventures I think that if I had needed another charge my mood would have changed drastically. It isn’t a GT type car but seems good for local journeys up to about 250 miles👍
@justaknight47196 жыл бұрын
The 2019 version will have the battery thermal management system.
@LeFrez5 жыл бұрын
Does that apply to the 40 kWh version or the 60?
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Only to the 60 kWh.
@barriebirch79566 жыл бұрын
You'd be even more disappointed in France because charging with corri-door at motorway service areas they charge by the minute irrespective of the number of KwH loaded. So when a 43Kw charging rate drops to 20 or so it costs serious money. 0.79 euros per charge plus 1.32 euros per 5 minutes.
@dmclement745 жыл бұрын
Ow much?
@midnight72975 жыл бұрын
Watching now and only partway through - Your first charge - for myself - almost all charges kick in and stick at around 45/46kWh, including at warmer temps than you showed) until it reaches about 60% charge.....but there are some chargers that no matter what temp I'm at, the max it will give me is around 36kw (Lidl Sunderland for example). It would be interesting trying a cold car at that charging station to see what they get
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
The answer is - the same. It all depends on the battery temperature on the start of the charging session. If it is between 20°C and 30°C, it charges at full speed, 39 kW (empty) up to 46 kW (63%), then it starts to taper down. If the battery is hotter than that at the start of the charging session, the charging process is slower - to avoid heating the battery beyond 50°C during the charging process.
@midnight72975 жыл бұрын
What I mean is I've had a starting temp gauge at the same level and it has charged at full speed (for sure though, the bars temp range is a bit crap and no real idea of it its the top end of that temp or lower end) unless the charger is limited to a max charge speed - I know of 2 rapids in the area - one at around 35 other one at around 28 (not just my car/leaf). The rapid charger used in the vid may of been limited similarly
@buckegit5 жыл бұрын
How long did it take in actual driving & charging time? I drove 506 miles non-stop in my 27kwh Soul in 11hrs 30 mins. All driving was on m/ways. With about 70 miles of it on A&B roads. Surely an ioniq or kona, eventually Niro would fit your needs better. But price also comes into it.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
buck-eejit the read out said the car was driving for just over 6 hours. The issue would have been the next charge with the battery being so hot.
@leebell67445 жыл бұрын
As a fellow Leaf owner (30KW) I'm in a similar postion myself, as to what to change to on Xmas 2019. My money is on the Kona 64KW,
@ElectraRC6 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks
@andybliss65386 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan Notice you say you were driving in B mode. What is the advantage of this? I know you get Re gen, but I drive an Auris hybrid and I use the B mode if I need to knock a bit of speed off without touching the brakes, but if I drive permanently in B mode it just feels like the brakes are dragging, which must surely compromise my MPG figure (and presumably the range on an EV).
@andybliss65386 жыл бұрын
CRS1964 many thanks. Had an idea it couldn’t be the same.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Any mode change affects range only while driving in city or on highways where you often accelerate and brake / regenerate. Oh motorways, it has zero impact.
@Dexter_GamingYTRoblox5 жыл бұрын
Just did 400 miles around Europe in an Nissan el grand love that v6
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Daza do some of my best memories are from European tours, particularly the Alps, on a motorbike 😁👍
@paulvanderhaegen7614 жыл бұрын
i wonder how long it takes the 40 kw leaf to cool down from 3/4 to normal temperature whit no charger connected and plug at home ( or at an hotel if on a road trip)
@neiloakey51835 жыл бұрын
Wow ... have never seen my battery past 3/4 temp... and I dont hang around... My rapids always start in the 40kWhs, and drop off to 20kWhish at 80%...
@markcornwall81326 жыл бұрын
With your use case is it really worth paying more to save 1 hour a year in charge time over your 2 longer trips? We went to the Kona 64 because we do a lot of 700 mile round trips a year, we really would not have bothered if it was only a couple of times a year. Of course if you just want another car then go for it.
@waynehobbs51755 жыл бұрын
Would you say that its the lack of battery thermal management that reduces its viability?
@robmog885 жыл бұрын
If you need a greater range ie less charging, perhaps the Hyundai kona or Ioniq or Kia Niro might suit you better. It would be great if you could get hol of those and do a video comparing them with the 40kw/h leaf. I have the latter and love it but I don’t do the long journeys like you do.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
You have the Kia Niro EV? Nice. Nobody should compare Nissan Leaf to Hyundai or Kia. It would be devastating. Comparing a toddler to a grownup. It's unfair.
@marcohdtv5 жыл бұрын
Meh... Hyundai IONIQ steady charging speed =65+ KW. consumption= 11KWh/100km (at high speed). This is a lot better than new LEAF with its rapidgate 44-22-13 KW charging speeds and 17KWh/100km consumption. IONIQ broke the 400km range at moderate speed with its humble 28KWh battery. No one even did dare to try with a new LEAF fake 40 KWh... IONIQ remains a great example of a collection of perfect engineering choices for an EV: best aerodynamics, no big heavy battery, adequate thermal managment, european AC Type2 / DC CCS ultrafast charging connector. The greenest most satisfying EV purchase so far imho.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
In the bellow- 40 kWh class it is by far the best EV, agreed! When we get to 50 kWh and more, it will be Model 3, Kona and Niro.
@kash7485 жыл бұрын
Soo,with the software update I presume a single quick charge would be viable?....can you sort a retest?
@cjmillsnun6 жыл бұрын
The solution to this is to have used the same thermal management as in the Renault ZOE. Q motor ZOE ZE 40 owners can charge at full speed (44kWh) time and time again. All that there is is a connection to the heat pump and a fan that blows air (either cooled or heated) through the pack. Problem solved. It is a cheap solution but it works. I'm surprised that Nissan didn't use this system from their Alliance partner.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
The shape of Leaf's battery prevents an efficient air cooling. Google it.
@cjmillsnun5 жыл бұрын
So they kept the same compromised shape from Leaf 1.0 on the new platform. They had a working solution from their Alliance partner that they could've designed into the Leaf 2.0 from the start (cheaper to do BIW modifications whilst designing prior to production) and didn't bother.
@vaidulis24155 жыл бұрын
Well, to be honest, the only reason I didn"t buy leaf was speedometer, i just despise the analog speedometer. So stupid, i despise it
@super-sim16655 жыл бұрын
350kw chargers now planned. Nissan is last century with slower charging cars 35kw. How much would water cooling have added?
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Water cooling could enable a constant 40-45 kW charging regardless of number of charging stops. 350 kW? Yes, but only on paper, and only Porsche Taycan will supposedly be able to use (a bigger part of) it. The currently fastest on CCS 2.0 is the Jaguar iPace at 82 kW. It is a long long path to 350 kW.
@gerdne54785 жыл бұрын
imagine, you wouldn't know a lot about rapid gate and the dealer wouldn't say something and you would buy this car and then want to drive in summer with that to South France for holiday, 30 degrees outside. What a nightmare.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
GerD Ne especially if it was your first experience of the issue. I think the ASA have been clear in their findings and Nissan a a little more specific on their wording now. I hope that has filtered down into dealers?
@Vanya801515 жыл бұрын
It may be OK for you in the UK, but try it where I live (Salt Lake City, UT) and you may change your opinion. Our summer temperatures are up to 40 C, next big city is anywhere from 250 to 500 miles (depending on which direction you go), and even my first charge starts around 18 kw. And did I mention that distance between chargers is around 100 miles, maxing out the range (no one drives slower than 80 mph speed limit). I purchased the car thinking that I can get to Vegas (400 miles away), but after doing it once I am now in line for Tesla Model 3.
@richardpetek7125 жыл бұрын
Actually there are three cars that could satisfy your needs for range without being a Tesla: Chevrolet Bolt, Hyundai Kona and Kia Niro. The problem is the charging network. If you look at Plugshare, www.plugshare.com , Tesla made a nice interstate network. Others made actually too many rapid chargers in Salt Lake City (or close to it) - and almost none on interstates where they are needed. The North-South route is barely doable with EVs with a 300 miles range while the East - West (Denver - Salt Lake City - Reno) is non-existent. The EV would need a range of almost 500 miles, which is nonsense. A couple of chargers in Nevada and a couple in Wyoming - and the problem is solved. But obviously nobody wants to install them. I might have a suspicion that this is on purpose. So I totally agree: on East Coast and West Coast EVs many EVs are perfectly OK, not only Teslas. But in almost half of the States in USA (which almost overlap with "red" states map, is this a coincidence?) only a Tesla makes sense as an EV. Give me ability to put up 100 stations, 400 chargers across USA (mostly copying places where Tesla has put up their own) and USA has a full EV coverage - for any EV with a decently long range of over 200 miles. When 1 charger, including installation, costs $50k, the whole investment is $30 million. Make it $50M. For major car manufacturers this is peanuts. Which, in result, it confirms that this is on purpose. Chrysler openly published "we won't invest in charging infrastructure". Yes, we noticed. This is another proof that their Bolt is only a compliance car for California.
@robbeard69295 жыл бұрын
Your're knackered if you want to drive to Cornwall then.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Rob Beard I guess it depends where you live 🤔😂
@roypateman4705 жыл бұрын
Keep it out of b mode heats battery a tiny more quickly. About 8%
@michaelkitchen57195 жыл бұрын
I would be interested to hear whether you have a Kona test option coming up to compare with the Nissan 2018 Leaf. It is getting a lot of praise and interest.
@EVOpinion5 жыл бұрын
Michael Kitchen indeed it is and I will be asking for a test when it arrives locally 😁👍
@azspotfree3 жыл бұрын
So spit it out, how far will it go on a full charge?