$25,000+ VGA Graded Games Are Finally Back...

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GetTheGregGames

GetTheGregGames

2 жыл бұрын

FINALLY THEY ARE BACK! I sent these 30 games off for grading back in January of 2021. But.... How did I do? What do you think of VGA grading? Do you prefer WATA?
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@nighticeeee
@nighticeeee 2 жыл бұрын
Golden auctions about to be jam packed with these, "Greg Collection"
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
When do I get my own pedigree? When will PSA start authenticating my signature!?
@loveloplop67
@loveloplop67 2 жыл бұрын
I take photos of my games before I send them in just in case. So far it hasn't been a problem. Great collection you have going 👌
@k0dyw1thaK
@k0dyw1thaK 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on all the better than expected hits 👏
@testeur32
@testeur32 2 жыл бұрын
that's an awesome bunch of games ! So happy when you get back your items from VGA. Metroid prime is around 7k for vga 90 on ebay. I'm also waiting my submission from vga, but mine will be back in april .
@bmaga123
@bmaga123 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff and congrats on the grades 👏
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot man!
@startyde
@startyde 2 жыл бұрын
Astonishing submission, man I love your sound effects haha
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
When I was editing I realized I need some additional variance in my reactions hahah
@GorTheMovieGod
@GorTheMovieGod Жыл бұрын
Late but DAMN THAT'S A GOOD HAUL! If I knew they were doing a 29 dollar sale I would've sent a ton of stuff in lol
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg Жыл бұрын
Ha! It's funny you call it a sale - that used to be their standard price for economy only 2 years ago😢 Also, thanks a lot!
@GorTheMovieGod
@GorTheMovieGod Жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg Damn! Should've got my stuff sent out then lol.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg Жыл бұрын
@@GorTheMovieGod I'm still patiently waiting for VGA to drop their prices again. I'm hoping they do by the end of the year but I'm not holding my breath😬
@GorTheMovieGod
@GorTheMovieGod Жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg Same. I'm gonna keep an eye out because I like their presentation as much as WATA's.
@nintendogal9143
@nintendogal9143 2 жыл бұрын
Love your excitement each time your guess is wrong and it's actually better! :D
@jordanmcdonald1985
@jordanmcdonald1985 2 жыл бұрын
I remember playing that Digimon game too, way, way back. I remember not expecting much and actually ended up liking it!
@frankzeldaandmore
@frankzeldaandmore 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, why in eBay, I can’t find a Wata games of Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3ds?
@okibumfl
@okibumfl Жыл бұрын
Hey, I’m new to the hobby. I heard you mention in a previous video you are selling games. Do you have a website or is it just on eBay?
@offthewall8829
@offthewall8829 2 жыл бұрын
Cool! I have a bunch of the Milton Bradley sealed NES games too, I bought them around 12 years ago on ebay...I never completed the set though, I'm just missing Cabal, Jordan vs Bird and Time Lord. I haven't graded anything yet though they're still just in their flimsy decade old box protectors on the shelf xD Thanks for the insight on the grading though, I'm certain my California Games is an 85+ now 8)
@Purple_Havok
@Purple_Havok 2 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time Greg says ‘Noooo Wayyyyy!!’ 😂😂
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
😂😅
@MartyTheOneManParty_
@MartyTheOneManParty_ 2 жыл бұрын
Nice return! Man its hard to get a 90 or more
@jakobh6257
@jakobh6257 2 жыл бұрын
Great return my man 🔥🔥
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
So am I seeing correctly that on DKC2 has a small crease in the top right corner? Trying to see how good my eyes are.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
It's kind of creased right across the top edge of the right side of the box. Like 2 inches from the corner to almost the center.
@ryandunn1528
@ryandunn1528 2 жыл бұрын
I would like someones opinion on this who is more experienced than me with graded games. I have a 9.2+ paper mario thousand year door made in Japan version but its an English copy, does the made in Japan effect the price higher or lower? I havent seen many of the made in Japan copies. Thanks for your comments
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
If it's a full black label copy, the Made In Japan should make it a decent amount more valuable. That's the current trend with other titles.
@ryandunn1528
@ryandunn1528 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg thanks, I couldn't find any information on it
@thelanecampbell
@thelanecampbell 2 жыл бұрын
How do you ship these to be graded? Do you put them in acrylic cases to protect them in transit?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I actually just use the $1 box protectors myself. Sturdy box + some bubble wrap and off they go haha.
@shinken209
@shinken209 2 жыл бұрын
FREAKING LOVE THIS SHOW!!! Keep em COMING!!!
@10soccerismylife
@10soccerismylife 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao I flinched twice! On both drops! It's interesting to see how they graded maybe they gave the less popular games to less experienced graders? Congrats on all the graded games! I'm a huge dbz fan greg and I'd love to see your dbz collection!! Please!!! 0_0 On the returned games that didn't get graded. Was there a reason as to why or do they just return them and not say anything??
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
They just give you that sheet and say that they suspect they are reseals - no actually rationale. And yea hahah, I flinched too man!
@Zamboni_Ty
@Zamboni_Ty 2 жыл бұрын
Damn I love that Marble Madness 85. Id love to have that in my collection, brings back so many memories! Very nice grades man!
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I'm always surprised by how many Marble Madness fans there are!
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
But do you *really* love it or just have nostalgic memories towards it. Because if memory serves, that game gets cheap af by level 3.
@Zamboni_Ty
@Zamboni_Ty 2 жыл бұрын
@@leeartlee915 I actually love it, played the living hell out of it when I was a munchkin
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zamboni_Ty But have you revisited the game lately? So far it seems more nostalgic than anything.
@Stampede215
@Stampede215 2 жыл бұрын
Nice haul brotha!!! and ahhh I was hoping you'd hit that 9 at the end!!!! Crack and resubmit!!!! Great video as always!!
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
The 2 dvd games are the ones I did worse on than expected haha. I need a better magnifying glass, apparently! Thanks man!
@edwinsvideogames
@edwinsvideogames 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Keep up the good work
@mkjiisus
@mkjiisus 2 жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest I haven't played either of the Digimon games but I definitely want to. That may be my gaming goal during college. Incredible games bro. Btw I gotta say idk what it is but your hair is looking pretty fire in this one
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely worth a try! Rumble arena probably won't give you much mileage but the card game will if you're able to get into it!
@mkjiisus
@mkjiisus 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg yeah I think once I get my psp up and running again I'm going to load it up with a whole bunch of them
@fallball09
@fallball09 2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to the breakdown video
@clrodrick
@clrodrick 2 жыл бұрын
Dylan, I said it before but I SALUTE YOU SIR for having the foresight to send in so many of your sealed collection to VGA/WATA before the industry got so insanely popular and thus had prices ratcheted up for future submissions! $30 versus $80+ today is huge! You are/were a visionary and that must be acknowledged. I for one never heard of this graded game industry until maybe a year ago, yet another thing I missed the boat on. Dude why bother working or worrying about a career?!? You got a large enough graded game collection to fund you for the next 10+ years hahahahaha. Interesting how easy VGA was on your submissions overall this time! Maybe they recognize you as a gold tier customer hahaha. Or maybe they really are no better than Wata in how disparate they can be when grading (especially with the titles that are not popular in mainstream). I kinda get it, any title that is well known (like Pokemon or Metroid) they really bear down and try to find faults in the game case and seal and do their due diligence. However for other titles they are more lax. Maybe I am in minority to think that but I can see that happening.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Hahah so long as graded games can average 20% gains for the next 20 years, I'm all set 😅😎 And it honestly really did feel like that. It could be that more expensive games go into a separate queue/have more veteran graders than the lower value stuff? Just tossing it out - I have no way to confirm or deny either way, it was just interesting which titles seemed to *not* receive any higher than my estimates vs which ones were 2 grades higher.
@clrodrick
@clrodrick 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg yet even your heavies scored high enough. You are sitting on a mountain of $$$$ there my friend 😏
@mattspowergarrison
@mattspowergarrison 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see the case cracking video lol
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to borrow your hammer!
@andyvs3925
@andyvs3925 2 жыл бұрын
When you look as fresh , as the graded games!
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
😎
@JoNev1
@JoNev1 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on all the wins bro! Good blessings for a good dude!💯💥🕹️💪👍😎
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it man!
@renixpesale
@renixpesale 2 жыл бұрын
awesome video man, I could not buy an 85+ to save my live on my shipment haha
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude! Yes, I watched yours too hahah. I chalked yours up to a "learning experience" 😅
@expensivecardboard
@expensivecardboard 2 жыл бұрын
i swear to god Im going to make a montage of greg saying Yes in his exitment voice! lol
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha YES! NOOO WAAAYY!
@expensivecardboard
@expensivecardboard 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@777superlightwater
@777superlightwater Жыл бұрын
Bro what is that Pokémon poster / where did you get it
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg Жыл бұрын
It's an original store advertisement banner! Just got lucky finding it on eBay for less than $100 I believe some years ago!
@Lancaster51
@Lancaster51 Жыл бұрын
How long does it take to get your games back once they are in the “post grading” phase?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg Жыл бұрын
2-4 weeks it seems. My brother just had his order finally ship after about 3 weeks!
@PokeRetroFan
@PokeRetroFan 2 жыл бұрын
Happy for you man. The metroid was a bummer tho
@ryandunn1528
@ryandunn1528 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know you were a digimon fan good to see more fans
@777superlightwater
@777superlightwater Жыл бұрын
I have earthworm Jim for GBA sealed too, but mine is probably like a VGA 30-50 🤣 the box is kinda crushed , but it’s my first sealed GBA game lol just started collecting again in December
@ohgold1
@ohgold1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Some really Awesome games!
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@Alma-B
@Alma-B 2 жыл бұрын
lets gooooo 🚀🚀🚀 are you gonna do the crossaroo 🤔 man 90 must be so hard to get 😢makes me feel good about just buying up all the 95/95+ from CL 🤣
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Probably, yea. As is, I'm not satisfied with the 85 haha
@pcorey182
@pcorey182 2 жыл бұрын
Great video congratulations I submitted a bunch of games to VGA back in 2019 I submitted a bunch of Super Nintendo games and and a few GameCube games and to Sega Genesis games the lowest one was in my opinion the Sega Genesis Splatterhouse part 2 I thought it would get an 85 it got an 85+ GameCube games I thought would get a 90 and they were also 85+ and the one game I thought was perfect which was Killer Instinct for Super Nintendo thought that would get a 90 + but also in 85+ basically everything was graded 85 + my experience VGA is much stricter on their grades than wata grading.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
VGA is definitely really hard to break into that 90 or above. It always has been like that, but yea, high grade VGA has def been harder than high grade WATA over the years. I've heard a lot of people say that WATA is getting stricter lately, so perhaps that will change!
@personalemail9187
@personalemail9187 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the grades !! I think that the less valuable/shovel ware/ common games get graded less strictly and the more collectible games are graded with more attention
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
It did seem that way a bit, but I'd need a larger sample size to draw any kind of conclusions!
@jayz6706
@jayz6706 2 жыл бұрын
Recently picked up a couple sealed copies of Pokémon pinball Ruby sapphire. I prefer them ungraded they just look better that way to me. Getting a really nice display case soon to show case them off
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Nice pickups, man!
@jayz6706
@jayz6706 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg thanks brother. Loved that sealed yellow. Beauty of a game.
@bmooresaxy
@bmooresaxy 2 жыл бұрын
This video is super helpful for us noobs to grading games. Halfway through the video rn..hoping Greg calls VGA soft at the end
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I'll have another video soon showing the raw analysis of each of the NES games + their end result so you can really gauge how cardboard is appraised by VGA!
@namudia2842
@namudia2842 2 жыл бұрын
I've recently acquired a pokemon yellow vga 90+ no esrb super happy not sure where the value would be
@quezcatol
@quezcatol 2 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be an intresting video :)
@haydenredl2919
@haydenredl2919 2 жыл бұрын
So when do you do the unboxing videos for those poke e man games? I wanna see how they play
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense to me 5Head
@manpandatcg
@manpandatcg 2 жыл бұрын
When do you think CGC will open for submissions?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
My best guess is 3-6 months, but they haven't been saying much
@petermysels9158
@petermysels9158 2 жыл бұрын
My Tara’s Adventure is getting graded as we speak - hoping I get the same VGA love that you did🤘🏽
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Haha here's hoping man!🤞
@nightbotmike2388
@nightbotmike2388 2 жыл бұрын
This shows MASSIVE inconsistencies between game grades. I agree with others that they may have been more harsh on the more valuable games and less harsh on the lower valued ones, which SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. The second you show inconsistent behavior as a grading company, that's when people stop trusting your grades and stop using you altogether. This has been pointed out on WATA graded games as well. I just have a bad feeling about this entire market at this point.
@Odinoian
@Odinoian 2 жыл бұрын
EWJ was my first GBA game that my mom got with the console. Was a great port :)
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome haha!
2 жыл бұрын
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick VGA scale is RNG nonsense for a huge portion of it, but that's part of the nature of grading in general.
@ripike
@ripike 2 жыл бұрын
They are probably a little harsher on higher value games or something. Great stuff Greg
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
It almost felt that way haha
@boxwi
@boxwi 2 жыл бұрын
Those matching grades on the DKC and DKC2 mean that you will have to PC them. Also complete the trilogy.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Haha I don't think I'll ever be tracking down 3 unless I can stumble upon it for a good price!
@PureDamageYT
@PureDamageYT 5 ай бұрын
i have a 85 nm+ uncirculated graded game what does that mean
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 5 ай бұрын
Means it's in pretty nice condition and the uncirculated part means it came from some kind of bundle or box that VGA themselves opened. What's the game?
@PureDamageYT
@PureDamageYT 5 ай бұрын
@@GetTheGreg it's Pokémon legends of arceus
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 5 ай бұрын
Oh interesting. It's possible someone sent in an entire case of them then. If VGA pulls it right from a case, they give it the "uncirculated" tag.
@ElusiveArson
@ElusiveArson 2 жыл бұрын
How much does it cost now per game to get graded?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I think the minimum with VGA is around $60 per game now
@ElusiveArson
@ElusiveArson 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg I have some 3ds sealed Pokémon games I was thinking about sending in do you think grading prices will continue to go up and should I send them in now or is it possible the price goes back down and should wait?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElusiveArson prices *should* come back down by the end of the year. WATA and CGC could also announce 3DS grading (if you care to use either of those companies). There isn't as much of a mad rush going on with grading right now.
@ElusiveArson
@ElusiveArson 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg awesome I’ll hold off then and I watched your other videos on case style I think I’m with you on the look of vga so that might just be the route I still go with! .. thanks for your info and quick response keep up the amazing work on the videos and man what a awesome collection you have ❤️
@777superlightwater
@777superlightwater Жыл бұрын
I think that gash in the dragon warrior game is just manufacturers damage therefore it doesn’t effect the grade because it showed up to the store like that
@777superlightwater
@777superlightwater Жыл бұрын
Because they’re both sealed right
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg Жыл бұрын
Ehhhh, that damage is too severe for any kind of consideration like that imo. The game is just straight up bad condition😅
@JustIn-vw9mj
@JustIn-vw9mj 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome games!!
@jasonjnoble
@jasonjnoble 2 жыл бұрын
$29 ea!! Man I wish I was in the hobby back then… I just sent off my first few VGA submissions at over hundred dollars each
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, at a lower cost to grade it just made everything so much more accessible. Hopefully both VGA and WATA (and CGC?) Can have an economy type of option again soon!
@tixxi7127
@tixxi7127 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like VGA is rolling the dice for some grades nowadays xD
@kidgabula
@kidgabula 2 жыл бұрын
These "guessing" vids are fun!
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them, man!
@thomaslehnart1374
@thomaslehnart1374 2 жыл бұрын
Very interested to hear why those Otogi 2's got rejected ...
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly still unsure...
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
The only question I have is why Greg pronounced Turok the way he did. “Tur-rock”?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I don't say a lot of games out loud very often (no one in person talks about this stuff), so I develop some of my own pronunciations over the years 😂
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg I’m just messing with you… but I’ve never heard it pronounced that way. It made me feel scared.
@Larson364
@Larson364 2 жыл бұрын
I would grade this video 85+
@hieinh
@hieinh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm actually sending a copy of pandoras tower to wata. congrats on the sonic gbas
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Oh nice! Have you actually played it? Or just grabbed it as a collector title?
@hieinh
@hieinh 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg I haven’t played it. Found it at GameStop years ago and forgot about it and then saw it was a rare game
@sonkakaroto9000
@sonkakaroto9000 2 жыл бұрын
Show the DBZ collection or we riot! 🔥🔥🔥
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
Can you explain how the “plus” works with VGA. So like what’s the difference between 85+ and 90. Is that a big leap?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
The "plus" is just their way of doing a half grade, but at the 85+ you enter the "gold scale". Then in the gold scale, getting into 90, 90+, 95, 95+ are all very difficult and basically require "case fresh" games to do so. The 85+ will still likely have 1 or 2 spots of easily identifiable wear, but once you go to 90 and above, the games require a lot of scrutiny to find the small amounts of wear, if any.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg That totally makes sense. Thanks.
@merrymaurader2521
@merrymaurader2521 2 жыл бұрын
That donkey Kong country 😍
@codywilliams6194
@codywilliams6194 2 жыл бұрын
Will you sell me the Marble Madness ? It was one of my favorite games when i was a kid
@zombee38
@zombee38 2 жыл бұрын
playing these nostalgic games won't matter anymore so the game nowadays it's how mint the sealed boxes are and be hopeful of a fool with too much money or another "investor" to buy it for the asking price.😢
@zandgemporium
@zandgemporium 2 жыл бұрын
Wow vga loves 85
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, they are willing to give that grade just not the high ones hah🥴
@supyo1
@supyo1 2 жыл бұрын
They don’t put the English or made in Japan because they note Spanish and mexico…
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
That seems inconsistent, though, as on some other games they'll denote "black label", or "first print", like on TLOU PS3.
@supyo1
@supyo1 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg no one says first print. But maybe you have to specify if you want it labeled. I don’t know.
@gambit1007
@gambit1007 2 жыл бұрын
International Superstar Soccer 2000...10 grand ez
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
It feels like it should be haha, just not sure if the interest is there just yet!
@miranda1068
@miranda1068 2 жыл бұрын
🤑💸😍
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
Answer: Always RNG.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Bring back Lee!
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheGreg There, fixed it.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Could you send me a DM on IG again? I can't seem to find the first one you'd sent. And this was the first message that popped up when I searched "Lee" in my comments haha, so this is the one I'm replying to😅
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
It warms my heart to see some non-Wata graded games. Yes, I’m still salty towards Wata.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, Greg you have got the VGA scale DOWN. That bodes well for their grading system.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I believe Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis is largely considered the worst port of that game they’ve ever made. Way to encase it in plastic so no one will be able to play it.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious. Porting a game should never end poorly, you'd think 😅
@JINCS40
@JINCS40 2 жыл бұрын
You have Steve Buscemi mouth.
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
Steve Buscemi has Greg mouth*
@handrewmillan4293
@handrewmillan4293 2 жыл бұрын
suerstar soccer shows just how stupid grading is, and the duplicates that were obviously of different qaulity. thousands of dollars difference possibly. what a stupid game to play.
@frankzeldaandmore
@frankzeldaandmore 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, why in eBay, I can’t find a Wata games of Nintendo Switch and Nintendo 3ds?
@GetTheGreg
@GetTheGreg 2 жыл бұрын
WATA currently doesn't grade either of those systems!
@frankzeldaandmore
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@@GetTheGreg nice to know :D thanks Greg!
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