You can help support this podcast by visiting VERSO - Go to ver.so/koncrete to save 15% on your order. OUTINE 0:00 - Introduction 3:30 - CIA spy recruitment process 26:30 - Exploiting human weakness 32:24 - CIA vs FBI 34:19 - Worlds top intelligence agencies 39:48 - China 48:27 - Counterproliferation / biological weapons 1:00:00 - America's Nuclear chess game 1:02:32 - Russia / Ukraine war 1:14:00 - Mutually assured destruction 1:21:00 - North Korea 1:22:45 - A Q Khan 1:30:52 - CIA & UFO's 1:42:30 - Private intelligence 1:47:00 - Conspiracy theories 1:55:00 - CIA & the media

With no disrespect to Lawler at all, I think the phrase “once a CIA officer, always a CIA officer” really applies to many of his answers.

😂😂😂”what’s operation Northwoods?” “I’ve never heard of that”(clears throat)

His comment we don't work with Mafia made me laugh out loud😁.

Always be careful believing ANYTHING a spook tells you. Lying is their career choice - it is literally their bread & butter.

Great interview because he allows the guest to speak without constant interruptions. Refreshing.

I've always heard 'once in the CIA, always in the CIA' After hearing this guy, especially with the Ukraine talk, he finally made me believe it.

What a great interview. So informative and eye opening. It's great to hear a moderator ask questions that aren't intended to become a "Gotcha Moment". No sensationalism, no disrespect, no ulterior motives and, best of all, genuine civility. Keep up the good work, my friend. If only our own government could learn from you. A sincere thank you goes out to this former CIA Patriot. Thank you for your service and integrity. To the moderator.....keep up the good work. Your integrity shows. Thanks for not letting your ego get in the way. Most journalist's don't have the ability to do so. America needs more people just like the two in this interview. By the way, love the UFO/UAP conversation. You have a new loyal subscriber.

These new CIA recruitment podcasts are getting pretty good. Kudos to the CO

it's cruel how often media portray old men as fragile and frail and senile, when in fact they have the most knowledge and lived experience. Information like this should be passed on to the new generation and perserved.

Claim Russia for ourselves. This is how the general public thinks. They have no idea what taking a country for ourselves means or how this is accomplished in reality. Too many are playing video games where the flag just turns once one reaches a destination.

Because he was a WMD expert and retired in 2005, I'm surprised that the interviewer didn't ask him about the CIA's botched assessment of Iraq's WMD status.

The wide shot with you and your guest is far more compelling visually than the back and forth.

I can’t stress enough how much better my hour commute to work is... Thank you for the amazing interviews/content!

Danny: Yeah I’m pretty sure there was some bio weapons labs CIA: nah there wasn’t Danny: Pull this up im pretty sure there was CIA: nah there wasn’t ..

Mad Dog was smooth as silk through the whole interview. Eyes and head focused. Funny, charming, and disarming. Then the UFO/UAP moment. He basically turns his eyes and head a tiny bit and stops being charming. He regurgitated all of the same stuff that everyone else and there brother has said on KZfaq while losing his carisma, comfortable flow, and natural feel.

Give this dude 50% giving honest opinions.

CIA agent says he can't really recall the point of MK ultra. Oh, yeah, right.

The US is so fortunate that people like Jim Lawler, almost by happenstance, worked for the good of our country. He is so sharp, I don’t think he misspoke one syllable in this extensive interview, which at times he spoke in very technical terms. I mention this because he appreciates every word has a meaning, including participles. And a great dry sense of human. Jim Lawler, thank you for your service.

Theres a reason people pay for no ads. Inserting your ad into the video so it cant be skipped is a sure-fire way to make sure the majority never buys that product.

One of the best episodes to date. Good job brother. Love to see Bill Binney on your podcast

The dupers delight in his eyes throughout this interview is shining. Hes definitly done some bad, messed up things & smiles thinking about them. Freaky guy

This guy is very skillful with information.....I would be taking everything he says as suspect....

One of the only podcast I watch all the way through. The content was interesting but I found equally interesting is this man's ability to maintain absolute composure and posture throughout. Never heard of Northwoods... HA. But that was the only time that for a split second he divulged body language.

Those shots are a life saver. The physician never told me about after 30 days you will never survive without immunization.

Danny: Ask these CIA guys what they think about the Steele Dossier, Vindman & Ukraine phone call, and the 50 ex-intel officers who all said it was real.

Imagine meeting this guy, what an absolute military legend

I love how conveniently, this man's memory, gets worse as he is asked certain questions. Probably doesn't want to get assasinated after the show lol.

I've just recently found Koncrete and have quickly become a huge fan. Keep up the amazing work Danny!.. Your guests are fascinating and you're a wonderful conversationalist. Cheers from Canada Brother!

K: Could you imagine China using our equipment? 🤔 J: No. No, I can't. 🤐

Once CIA, always CIA. I admire his convincing skills, totally worked on the interviewer. Like he said in the beginning, he manipulates, converts and gives trust with great confidence. Its hard not to believe him, and that's a compliment. I can see why he was recruited. Still loved the interview!

His facial expression tells you he knows much more about the ufo topic than he is saying. Great guy, but I won't even leave with my dog with him.😂😂

“We don’t work with the mafia” lmfaooooo

Guys like this are why this country has become like it has.

You should have 2 million subscribers. Your podcast is one of the best in my opinion

Am I the only that notice he didn’t have anything to say about the JFK assassination and was very vague about the other CIA conspiracies, but had very depth answers on every other subject?

The pragmatic Russian commander denying a nuclear strike would be an amazing movie.

IMHO well within the top 10 interviews that i listened from your channel... Fascinating character... Excellent questions

Man I love how you dare asking the questions about uap to guests that are not necessarily there for that topic. You even asked Randall Carson and guess what they're all much more open minded than one would expect. This separates your podcasts from the others. Keep doing what you're doing man!

great episode. re: ufos - he knows more, doesn’t know bout Bob Lazar? ok sure James. I think James was beginning to act like Danny might be a foreign counter agent late in the interview 😅

These types of interviews are bittersweet for me. It’s interesting and entertaining, but you know you’re getting lied to or mislead 90% of the time. Remember people. It was this man’s job to mislead and trick people. And as he said you only get better as you go. Cool interview non the less.

A good question or conversation would have been whether the whole UFO secrecy subject has the Intelligence Community and the DOD handing over possible UFO material and discoveries over to Private industries to keep the subject out of the public domain.

The guest is still a solid wall of secrecy, but was kind, and gentle with his retelling of living history as the CIA wishes the public to know the facts. Little was gained as to what anyone could find with a google search. Thanks for the Subject Tabs as it doesn't take long to find a empty suit tell the same book version of everything.

Just found your channel through recommendations. Talk about an under rated channel. You’re an awesome interview. Great camera angles. Awesome sound design. Def gonna subscribe.

28:40 leads to the question if James considered his assets to be real friendships. He responds not always, but sometimes. He tells the story of someone it took 11 yrs to turn as an asset, because it took James that long to find the persons vulnerability or stresses. Yet, James says in this case, him and this guy are real friends, even brothers. To me, if you are intentionally in a relationship for eleven years keeping an eye out for a persons vulnerability to manifest itself so you can exploit it (in this case to steal secrets), don't call it a real friendship.

What a great find, this interviewee is fantastic! I know quite a bit as I have family in the agency, follow the Ukrainian war daily with content from both sides, and also follow former sof/intel guys... What this guy says 100% adds up to the other experts, so refreshing compared to talking heads and general news commentary or former officials who are hired commentators and don't actually follow things and stay in the loop but rather or just cashing in. This guy doesn't overstep or overstate what he knows or doesn't know and also seems to have a very good understanding of current capabilities and countermeasures. 👏⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Wow. Fascinating podcast. Just found you today. Great work, very good questions, well researched and great guest.👍

This guy is still a CIA agent. Once an agent, always an agent. And it shows here

@marksman I agree! My Dad is 80! Was a police chief for many years-- a great, fair man. Such knowledge---and a sense of humor!

CIA recruiter: your personality has the right requirements to work for us..James Lawler: I didn’t know what the job requirements where..job requirements: lie,cheat,steal,deceive...

These spies are always so calm and chill

Wow, this guest truly pushes all of the western talking points on Ukraine: Russia just invaded Ukraine out of the blue and totally unprovoked. NATO had nothing to do with this provocation at all with their actions the last few decades. 🙄

he looks like he looked into aliens so deeply he actually became one

Thank you for the balanced perspectives on this interview. I found the mentions about UFO's and related info slightly "cover story-ish." He's good at dodging some topics with a smooth style of presentation. Guess he does work for the CIA.

This is the only interview with an ex cia agent then didnt come off as misinformation. Seemed honest and straight forward.

love your show, my very favorite podcast! Excellent guest and interview per usual!

Great interview. I can see you are doin much more research now than before askin blind questions w no back background on some topics.

He tells you what he does. Don't forget it.

I imagine they changed the name to u.a.p. because these things don't necessarily "fly". Just because it's moving through the airspace doesn't mean it's flying. As stupid as that may sound.

There's definitely a difference between old school and new school CIA. As a writer, I like how he got excited about the cover of his "Twinkle in an eye" book. Do you see the little biohazard symbol in her eye? Classic writer pride.

Did he just say "we don't work with the mafia"? I almost smit my soda out at that. What kind of fool does he take us for,

I love at the end he starts going into the real conspiracies with classified evidence and ol dude goes from knowing everything to "I don't recall" and "I don't know " "Remote viewing that's the word I couldn't remember"

Enjoyed this up until the topic of Russia and Ukraine came about, which was painful to listen to

German Shepards aren't near the strongest bite force, there's some dogs with bite nearly 4x as strong

This guy is so calculated. I wouldn't trust a word he says.

Informative interview, really enjoyed it! Years ago my girlfriend and I along with another witness observed through binoculars a UAP high above the Denver Metro area (nowhere near Buckley AFB). Several jets, which were tiny in comparison to the object were flying around it. We thought this sighting was going to change the world. It would be all over the TV and the papers. However, the next day not so much as a peep. If it hadn’t been for the two other witnesses, I would have doubted my sanity at witnessing the original event.

He lost me at "Never heard of Operation Northwoods".

@1:30 Yes, there's something to this. I'm an Annapolis grad and I can tell you that the lead singer of Blink 182 was picked to help get past the traditional ridicule that surrounded the UFO topic in the past. It was thought that the headline would generate some laughs at first, but that those laughs would displace the ridicule and discrediting that had previously been aimed at this topic. A lot of work has gone into getting this info out to the public, and previous generations of leaders have comingled political criminal activity with the counter-intel work that was used to make the ufo people look crazy. The corruption got so bad that guys like Harvey Weinstein could hire out the same types of services on contract. That's a major factor in pushing this topic into public view. The other piece is the so-called Havana Syndrome and what that really is. The public needs to know that human-machine interface weapons are a reality and that the tech you see in shows like Black Mirror, Upload, and Altered Carbon exists and is used in the types of schemes that Weinstein ran on his accusers. The reality of this situation is just simply gross. We need the public to know much more about this because the psychopaths within the deep state who use this tech cannot be stopped. It is going to take a public intervention, and they are targeting thousands and thousands of Americans with these weapons. FYI, the Navy Yard, Florida State University, Baton Rouge, Hollywood Airport, and Las Vegas shooters were each tortured and sexually abused with this tech for a number of years before they went on their criminal rampage. The psychopaths who perpetrated those targeting schemes believe that if they make their crimes over-the-top or scary, that good people won't step in to stop them. I recommend watching professor James Giordano's lecture 'The Brain is the Battlefield of the Future' for more info on this topic. He doesn't pull any punches and that tech is being used on thousands and thousands of Americans right now.

Excellent guest! Love it

So are podcasters on KZfaq just going to normalize ads in their videos now? I support Danny but it’s quite annoying having to see ads when I pay for ad free content. The sole reason I started paying is because I cannot stand ads.

Covert compensation I love it and this is my first time finding this podcast you guys are unique and awesome great job on finding this guy

He may have gotten permission to tell his story, but why he is telling it indicates (to me) a flaw in his personality that I would have thought the agency would have spotted, and found a potential problem. Listening to him gives me the creeps.

You can tell cia people like this all use a similar voice that is calming

intelligent conversation. glad Lawler was on our side.

Danny: Ask these CIA how much they work with FBI, and do "loans"...like Peter Strok, paid by CIA, but his cover was he worked at the FBI.

29:12 so him and this asset call each-other brother, cute, what he doesnt tell you, and is the cold reality, if his handler/boss needed him to give up said hermano, which in worst case scenario, means his/her certain demise, he would without thought or hesitation do so. this is because "the mission" comes FIRST1st!!! these groups are sick and have no limit in regards to the devastation they are willing to create and leave in their wake, as long as the mission succeeds. this is what makes these people truly dangerous and foul at the deepest of levels. signing off, -truth

First time I have watched Koncrete podcast - very well presented- I have to say your guest is 100% correct the CIA is not entirely in control of its actions as it is an arm of the US govt and must follow its directions. Your guest is patriotic and I may not agree with all he says however he is a patriot. Thank you. All the best from down under Lewis Sydney 🇦🇺

I've studied the U.F.O. "THING" all my life (61 yrs),Entire family been involved with directly a sighting -missing time-possable abduction and our CAR being physically MOVED NORTH 30+ miles in 1969 (remember nothing except a Bright BEAM hitting the car & passing out, I woke up first in a panic-then everyone just "Switched back on" , in mid sentance?). IT'S REAL is all I can say!

The whole interview is super great, this guy has a great story. But at 1:31:00 UFO juiciness begins.

I was a major gifts officer for a major university asking people for large sums of money. While not asking people to do illegal things some of the techniques he used like becoming a friend, and providing reasons that offered the donor something they wanted or needed , gaining their trust sounds familiar.

Officer lawless is on team nation building.

Bro still took all day to explain mad dog😂

This guy is a propagandist. I see what his angle is here.

Awesome interview. He lost me with the giving Ukraine more money part but still interesting.

They never stop working for the company. Never.

I like these interviews, where the interviewer Shuts up, lets the guest speak and then ask intelligent questions.

NICE WORK >>ONCE AGAIN KONCRETE

The thought I had about UFOs, if they are aliens, is that maybe they look for other intelligent civilizations by looking for nuclear enrichment on a planet in a similar way to which we look for radio signals to look for intelligent civilizations on other planets.

15:15 -..."Let me just say...an Alpine country" ... - OK, let's talk about Egypt!

Remember folks, it is less about what he reveals and more about the narratives he affirms…. You don’t retire from espionage

Amazing how cagey he got near the end. He did not like some of those questions

Having a CIA officer was be the perfect opportunity to ask quite a few things and it was done well indeed. However, the Ukraine topic gave me a mixed - almost weird - feeling that some questions were carefully omitted. For instance, I expected to hear about the events of 2014 leading to Crimea annexation, meaning any US interference which would definitely involve CIA for obvious reasons. They talked about Russia's vague view of NATO encirclement but not a word about what even US analysts accept as the turning point, the decision to encourage further NATO expansion to Ukraine and Georgia (per 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest) way before the orange revolution. Since we are talking about areas of the world under heavy Russian influence, one would find it reasonable the CIA would be at the very front of these developments too. Well, I can guess why the topic was covered rather superficially. He is CIA after all.

Jim Lawler continues the tale and fills some of the void after Leroy Fletcher Prouty.

Where on the outside of town of the universe for a reason..look wtf we doing to each other..pointing nukes at the planet we still on..really hope we wake up soon..kinda scary.

Incredible interviews with incredible guests

It amazes me these private contractors can maintain a secret clearance and not work for the US Gov. Seems like A LOT can go wrong with that and I’m sure has. Was this created so the US gov didn’t have to take ownership of some shady dealings or get into certain places so they could wash their hands? What was the reason of origin of private contracted spy’s?

He should have said "We dont work with the mafia, anymore."

I remember when my German shepherd went through my glass screen door twice from guests walking up to the door with a hoodie on .

I’m wondering if this guy had to do certain “romantic” things to win over these other man’s confidence

This guy is fascinating