It's mixing Star Trek lore with STO. What's not to be happy about? 🤓

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Ngl, I actually thought he was drunk at first 🤣

I can't hear any difference between his voice in this video and other videos.

how long have we all wondered when and if they would ever do this? About time!

Where's Lore ?

@@optimusprinceps3526 Not entirely sure. Drifting through space or lying deactivated and deconstructed in some nondescript drawer?

@@Timberwolf69 🤖 thank you

@@Timberwolf69 I believe Data disassembled his body but retained the cranial unit after their last run-in. The fact that only B4 exists in Starfleet's control leads me to believe that Lore's brain may have been lost with the destruction of the Enterprise-D.

Excelsior was obviously built to last

I've been furious that no TV shows have used the huge resources of STO. It's just makes sense to at least use some ships from the game. I understand not using story from STO. The whole any uniform and players being advanced through to the top ranks of Starfleet would be a bit awkward. The uniform thing may actually be taking place though. Picard can't seem to stick to any specific uniform lol

@@BamaChad-W4CHD You definitely have a point about the uniforms, although I did think that the onscreen 2401 uniforms seem to look like an intermediate step between the 2399 uniforms and the famous "Sierra" type uniform that was used for a lot of STO promotional material (and still my favorite STO uniform design because I loved the way it looks).

do you happen to be singaporean? cos "cockles of my heart"

@R J Meeks I think last year they were depending on an outside FX shop, and dumped the job on them last minute. So they only had 2 weeks to do the ship. Even then they used a ship design that was originally from the first failed attempt at STO by Acclaim. So technically the Inquiry is also a canonized STO ship;) . Seeing all of this starts to make more sense when you look over at STD. And realize that they create some assets in house. Such as the Discovery and first season and second season Fed ships. But other stuff they have bought wholesale from third party 3d model shops. The kind that provide Assets for Video games. All of those 32nd Century Federation Ships that look like they come out of a plumbing supply catalog? The ones that look like they belong more in a Mass Effect game than Star Trek? Yeah those were bought off the shelf from a company selling Video Game ships. That may have been the point where somebody realized "Hey if we can use Video Game ships off the shelf... why can't we use ships from the Star Trek Video Game?" It helped that some of the new production crew both on Picard and I believe the Lower Decks ship designer are STO fans.

@@andrewtaylor940 _"I think last year they were depending on an outside FX shop, and dumped the job on them last minute. So they only had 2 weeks to do the ship. Even then they used a ship design that was originally from the first failed attempt at STO by Acclaim. So technically the Inquiry is also a canonized STO ship;) ."_ Perpertual, not Acclaim, but mostly correct. The VFX on all the live action Star Trek shows are split across several VFX houses, and due to last minute rewrites, a new design had to be created in ~2 days, and the final scene done within ~2 weeks, hence the copy and paste fleet. _"But other stuff they have bought wholesale from third party 3d model shops. The kind that provide Assets for Video games. All of those 32nd Century Federation Ships that look like they come out of a plumbing supply catalog? The ones that look like they belong more in a Mass Effect game than Star Trek? Yeah those were bought off the shelf from a company selling Video Game ships."_ This is not true, those ships are designed by the Discovery production team. The modelling may be outsourced, though. _"That may have been the point where somebody realized "Hey if we can use Video Game ships off the shelf... why can't we use ships from the Star Trek Video Game?" It helped that some of the new production crew both on Picard and I believe the Lower Decks ship designer are STO fans."_ As Discovery's ships aren't off the shelf models, this isn't entirely right. You can read Dave Blass's interviews to see how they brought STO ships into Picard. Dave Blass is a fan of the franchise as a whole, and was the driving force behind bringing back people who had worked on previous Trek.

They caught hell because of that fleet scene lol

I really like that inquiry, but the copy paste was pretty bad.

The copy-paste fleet at the end of Season 1 is the only fleet in Star Trek history that has ever made any sense. You don't design a zillion different classes of ships and then only build a few examples of each, because that drives maintenance costs and engineer specialization through the roof. No matter how rich the Federation is, it would always make more sense to design a few _good_ classes of ships and then build a butt-ton of them, making minor modifications to each as needed for its specific duties.

@@deusexaethera i mean it makes sense because it was mass produced for the evacuation, but it still looked ridiculous.

@@deusexaethera Just like real life fleets are composed of just one ship, right?

Agreed. The Odyssey would be a definite progression of the Sovereign. It's a beautiful and well designed ship. It should be shown on screen

Totally agree! Odyssey/Yorktown are definitely one of the most beautiful ships in Star Trek and Yorktown eliminated some of the weaknesses of the original odyssey designs (i.E. the thin warp nacelle pylons). They don't just look beautiful, they continue the apporach of combined exploration/combat vessels I also hope for one of the Command Battlecruisers (preferably Presidio or Concorde) somewhere appear in a future star trek show. I always loved their design and how they look both elegant and aggressive

The Odyssey class does show up in the "Picard" expanded universe. The "Picard Countdown" comic shows an Odyssey-class USS Verity as Admiral Picard's flagship. But I agree with you, seeing the Odyssey on screen would be even better.

@@heavyarms01h exactly! I would have expected the classic Oddy or the Yorktown variant of the Enterprise helmed that Andorian captain from the games to appear in Picard Season 2.

Not that I don't want to see Oddy series, but the first of the Odyssey line weren't commissioned yet until 2409. Yorktown and the rest of her sister ships were commissioned in 2410-2411. The best we can hope is the Verity class, since it was the precursor to the Odyssey :(

That makes me happy, and I'm sure it made those actors happy as well

There's a vid on STO's YT channel where the devs tell the folks who played in that game that their ship is now considered "canon".

@@Tigershark_3082 The looks on their faces when they realized what Thomas Morrone was saying was priceless.

Don't worry -- it's actually a new Excelsior. Doug Drexler confirmed as much; Sulu's Excelsior is in a fleet museum.

@@Ostermond But wouldn't it be the A, since it has the same registry. I assumed it was in a museum, then refit with the Borg upgrades and sent back out

@@Ostermond In the books the Sulu Excelsior was lost to the Dominion

There was a USS excelsior NCC-21445 listed on a display in TNG

Where's Lore ? He's Data's brother and much trouble

Yeah it dropped Thursday apparently. Don't worry,... I was surprised too, lol

@@PhillipLemmon You didn't see any of the trailers or ads for PIC season 2?

@@Corbomite_Meatballs I did. And now thinking about it... It did say Thursday, LMFAO! But I was soo busy with #DADLIFE that I COMPLETELY forgot about it, lol

TBH, with these STO ships now canon, I'm holding out for a scene where the crew are in a tight spot with no apparent backup on hand only for the Odyssey Class Enterprise-F with Worf in Command to drop out of warp and blow the crap outta whatever was threatening our merry band of heroes :D

@@ACtheLegend I don't know. That might feel like a repeat of what happened at the end of season 1

@@thumpercomet3856 Ore from Discovery where they did the same with the Constitution class. But frankly I wouldnt even mind such a repeat scene

The copy-paste fleet at the end of Season 1 is the only fleet in Star Trek history that has ever made any sense. You don't design a zillion different classes of ships and then only build a few examples of each, because that drives maintenance costs and engineer specialization through the roof. No matter how rich the Federation is, it would always make more sense to design a few _good_ classes of ships and then build a butt-ton of them, making minor modifications to each as needed for its specific duties.

@@deusexaethera stop it Shawn, you're making too much sense! Lol. Fair points though! :)

It is a refit though isn't it? Of the Sagan NX.

@@CountScarlioni Technically yeah. But its quite clearly that Picard is talking about it as HIS old Stargazer having been refitted.. Specially since it's not once mentioned that it's a Sagan Class and the only ship of that class.. it is only off screen we know that.

@@darth_yoda Yeah, I've looked at the scene again and I agree with you. It blatantly implies this _is_ Picard's Stargazer. Blimey there can be little left of the original other than the dedication plaque!

I think he was calling it a refit of the Constellation Class, but I don't think it matters that much.

@@3Rayfire That was sorta my mind.. It's NOT a refit it's a whole new class of ship The Segan class are bigger then the Galaxy class were the Constellation was under half the size of a Galaxy just for comparison. Hence it can in no way of form be a refit hence it's a WHOOPSIE on the creators part :P

For once, no random roller coaster camera ,crying and whispering.

What I found really cool was that the 3D models they used from STO were pretty much unchanged when transferred to the system Picard uses.

@@goldenknight578 - Pretty sure Cryptic had to add better details and up the rendering, but other than that, yeah, it’s pretty cool that the ships in the show are exactly like they are from the game.

@@CJ-442 From what Thomas Marrone said, what you see on screen are the exact same models used in the game. It was just a straight transfer into the engine Picard uses without any modification.

@@goldenknight578 To be specific, what we see in the show is what we have in game *now*. Thomas started the revamps of the Sutherland, Reliant and Gagarin because they were going to be featured in Picard and he wanted to provide the show with the best the game could handle. Those revamps then made it into STO with the new Terran story arc we're getting

@@STOEmma That's it exactly. It's pretty safe to say that all of the revamps in game are the result of Picard.

The NX-01 is a flipped Akira. The Akira model was created and used first. When it was first shown there was a massive outcry that the design of the NX-01 was lazy and just a flipped Akira.

@@Interitus1 but it's really not just a flipped Akira sure they used the Akira as inspiration because a producer liked it a lot but from there massive changes were made to the design to make it the beauty that we know as the NX class leaving it with only a tangential connection to the Akira design and has season 5 been made the enterprise would have had even less in common with it due to the refit.

the most unabashed example of what you're getting at is the Shepard class, the Gagarin being a reskin of it, which is basically just a flipped and stripped Walker class with standardised Disco nacelles. now that was lazy.

@@Interitus1 I didn't realize that the Akira Class was the model for the NX Class and that it'd preceded the series Enterprise

@@morganb6717 such designs aren’t exactly that out of line for trek historically. The New Orleans class is just a scaled down galaxy with marker pens glued to the saucer, the Yeager is an intrepid saucer stuck on a maquis raider hull scaling issues be damned, the centaur is just an excelsior saucer and nacelles stuck on to a reliant mission pod and even the Nebula is basically just a galaxy that’s been trimmed and compacted down then had a pod stuck on the back of it when you get down to basics of the design. There might even be more like that, those are just the ones off the top of my head.

Indeed, I wonder if we'll see one of said class in Strang New Worlds...

Do you mean the T6 Saber, the _Da Vinci_-class?

Shows what happens when the CGI artists are given more than a month to prepare.

@@michaelgreenwood3413 and what happens when they don't need to apply to the stupid 25% difference role of the Bad Robot license anymore but can straight up license ships from alpha or beta canon :)

Loved that episode with that snobby Human first officer. Data slapped him up good.

@@dmanc85 Yes he did as he was a total c u next Tuesday (C**t)for a human

Shari Yn Yem: You're a California class! Half the Federation doesn't even know you exist! The fact we've only ever seen it in Lower Decks makes me laugh that it's actually true.

The copy-paste fleet at the end of Season 1 is the only fleet in Star Trek history that has ever made any sense. You don't design a zillion different classes of ships and then only build a few examples of each, because that drives maintenance costs and engineer specialization through the roof. No matter how rich the Federation is, it would always make more sense to design a few _good_ classes of ships and then build a butt-ton of them, making minor modifications to each as needed for its specific duties.

Then that means the Intrepid class USS Sally Ride is canon too as that appeared in that play.

@@paulgrattan3885 are you sure, I am only about 16 episodes in, but I thought they couldn't use anything from shield of tomorrow in clear skies???

I get the feeling the romulan republic will be the first thing we see adapted on the long road to the 32nd century and romulo-vulcan reunification

I would have like to have seen an updated Oberth like the updated Reliant and Excelsior designs featured. I think a neat role for it would have been as a fast courier ship that delivers Picard to the Stargazer. It's kind of silly that a shuttle could get there from Earth so quickly. A revamped Oberth with long nacelles would have been perfect.

@@adamlytle2615 Have a refit Oberth drop it's sensor/survey/secondary/whateveritis hull and turn into a fast pancake ship would actually be kinda cool, now that i think about it. Plus it would add to the "modularity" of Starfleet spaceships that we keep hearing about but never see. Although, honestly, i like the Nova far more than any possible variation of the Oberth.

I think it was in lower decks.

@@Bitchslapper316 definitely was, Riker commands it

@@A407RAC the Luna class USS Titan was in Lower Decks, and also in this episode of Picard, but the Titan Class is a variant of the design in Star Trek Online. But it has not appeared in canon.

@@adamlytle2615 Ah my bad, my good sir - I recalled it being "Titan" but forgot it was Luna class, not Titan class! Thanks for your accurate correction, glad to see a fellow LDs fan! (And ST:O of course ❤️)

It's an Excelsior-II class though as confirmed by one of the showrunners. The only mistake they made is they should have called it the NCC-2000-A.

LOL, Roddenberry sank that ship in the 60s.

Lol star trek and continuity are like oil and water they just don't mix but it is cool to see the hard work the STO devs have put in be properly recognized and canonized

It's the original U.S.S Excelsior. The registry is the original ncc 2000. No letter added.

@@Geggy0815 If you're talking about those memorial plaques, that one is NCC-2000, but that's not the same one on screen.

@@Geggy0815 When did you get a look at the registry? If it was while Picard was standing in front of the ship outlines at the academy, did you notice the Stargazer shown was the old one NCC 2893, not the new one NCC 82893? that confused me for a minute, and I had to go back and check. I think those displays were to show the heritage of the names of ships the cadets were being assigned to rather than to show the ships themselves (if not, Starfleet or the shows VFX department made a major mistake by showing the wrong Stargazer).

I saw a video of another youtuber who said it was shown at the scene when raffi calls the stargazer. I checked it now and it was not shown. You can just read USS Excelsior. Sorry.

It would be pretty awesome to see a Gryphon, Tempest or Maelstrom.