Wow he must have been a cool guy. It's a shame no model train ever made really good o scale nyc subway and el trains. There would be such a market for it Rail king was good but they seem more concerned with the electronics then the accuracy and running

Subway is underground, el trains run above the streets.

@@luislaplume8261 Excellent point Luis. I just wish they hadn't torn the el down when they did. I grew up in Queens and took the 7 el for years. My wife is from Woodhaven, and took the J el for years too. Stay well.

@@kevin7151 I am old enough to remember when what is now the J line had World War 1 era BMT Standards running during the rush hours in the 1960s!

@@luislaplume8261 Likewise, I rode the 7 line in the 70s and most cars were pre WW2. None had A/C, much like your own experience. Stay well.

@@kevin7151 You made a big mistake! The trains on the 7 line that you rode back in the 1970s were made from 1963 til 1964 and were the R33WF for the 1964, 1965 New York World's Fair. I should know. The first of them came in late 1963 around November. We lived a mile away from the Main Street terminal. We then in April 1964 moved to Richmond Hill. I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era. 😁

Nothing that could have been fixed the Chicago system is still there!

@@intercityrailpal NYC still has hundreds of miles of elevated rails in The Bronx - Brooklyn and Queens. Actually - Upper Manhattan still has one... The 1 train runs from Van Cortlandt in The Bronx - but when it gets to Mahattan in stays elevated in Inwood - Washington Heights and most of Harlem. Then goes underground. Manhattan became too crowded with buildings for elevated lines. You would never see the sun.

We were supposed to get a 2nd Ave subway but that was delayed because of ww2 Then it kept getting delayed because of budget cuts Today we only have part of what we were promised in 1939

There is one on you tube if you search for it It's from a DVD that was created by this guy talking on this video

They had the funds , politicians lobbied by GM destroyed the EL'S.

@@rasheedwhite4647 I believe that. GM also lobbied hard for the creation of the Eisenhower Interstate System in the 1950s, knowing full well it would decimate the consumer rail industry. Want to get an idea of how the American people could be cajoled into that massive an infrastructure expenditure? THAT'S how... with the backing of overwhelming lobbyist propaganda.

​@@litlgrey GM only had that power because those generations of Americans loved their cars enough to send many public short lines into bankruptcy as early as the 1930's. Suburban and local services in my hometown were discontinued as early as 1948. Long distance passenger rail continued until the late 1960's when it was actually destroyed by the deregulation of passenger airliners and overregulation of railroads.

@@flintfredstone228 They were and they did, however it's important to remember that in cities like Chicago, independently owned commuter rail and bus companies began experiencing financial difficulties much earlier, even prior to the onset of the Great Depression, and required bailouts from the various cities. In the 1950s and 1960s conversely, political pressure was exerted by GM and by Big Oil to perpetrate the massive deregulation which subsequently ensued. Rail companies couldn't compete with the massive largesse that lobbyists offered to political cronies, and so unlike in Europe and Asia, the commuter rail infrastructure was dismantled with blinding speed.

Yes it is. Back fenders, green doors, white roof trunk and hood. The 3 colored police cars from the 1910s til 1960s. In the 1970 changed to light blue with white trim.

Blackula TheEvilOyo It’s here. It’s currently the Q line subway to 96th Street.

@@TheRailLeaguer yah I've noticed, it's revitalised over there but I'm talking about down between 14th and 59th. Getting off the l than onto the T i think they're calling it will be a game changer

Blackula TheEvilOyo Agreed. An even bigger game changer is having the whole SAS reworked, with 4 tracks south of 63rd Street, and a new tunnel linking the line to Queens, and a new Northern Blvd Subway out to Flushing. Imagine getting from the East Side of Manhattan to a Mets game without dealing with the Lexington Avenue or Flushing Lines. That’s would be great.

Craig F. Thompson Staten Island Service is better serviced by an extension of the 4th Avenue Line. However, the R route is unreliable as it is and deinterlining would need to occur before any extension of the R would occur. In addition, phase 3 and 4 of SAS is still a pipe dream. To counter both of this, I am proposing a new tunnel connection between the Broadway Line and the Fulton Line and then to the Jamaica El. This will allow for more efficient service in Brooklyn and Queens and open the door for service to Staten Island.

Craig F. Thompson I have seen the IND Second System from 1929 and 1939. Some of my plans have come from those plans, but with a modern take on it. In fact, I may be looking to make a Throggs Neck crosstown branch of the East Side IND lines.

Alvin Khaled It crossed the Queensboro bridge, not the Manhattan.

@@djkeddie I know that, but I'm struggling to find the verb that conveys what I'm thinking. Let me try again: did the 2nd Ave El rise above, along E Broadway, the height of the Manhattan bridge as it not-quite-perpendicularly "intersected" the bridge?

I see what you mean, sorry. The Second Avenue el went underneath the Manhattan bridge while running above Division Street as it went from Chatham Square to the turn into Allen Street north of First Avenue (from when it went to Second Avenue via 23rd Street.) The el also ran under the Brooklyn Bridge on Pearl Street.

@@djkeddie awesome! Thanks!

That's amazing. I'm looking at street view images and there's barely any clearance under the bridges on those streets. Have you come across any relevant photos?

Yes, there was both a third and second avenue elevated

b. griffin Reason 1 on why they wanted to replace els with subways.

Because it was the express line.

It was much bigger, today's station is cut back...way back just like all the rail systems across the country.

The El’s to Astoria and Flushing were built to IRT dimensions. Astoria platforms were widened to BMT size in 1949.

Don’t disrespect what they used back then they had to use this it isn’t as bad as your Android phone at 144p

@@emteaay2477 Mine is Galaxy 9S

Odd choice for the little park's name, because the predecessor park at Coenties Slip running from Water Street to South Street was called Jeanette Park, often photographed and featured as a setting in the film The Killer That Stalked New York (1950), starting at @38:36, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o86mY7SLvKmdiKs.html, the el is visible @38.54.

Just to correct myself, the inland boundary of Jeanette Park was Front Street; frequently renovated in its history, it was still there when I was a kid in the early 60's but I missed the el!