The consistency of the Rogue is absolutely amazing, in ALL numbers!! To be the same total but have 10 shots within 10 yards front to back and side to side...unbelievable!!

12:30 Yes, the Stealth stock shaft being "a little softer" may give more kick on swings where it releases at the moment you strike the ball, but when you don't, you will go more left and more right - so greater dispersion. The stiffer Callaway shaft may not be as explosive, but delivers better dispersion (considerably). We all load our shafts a little differently, so this shows the importance of finding the shaft that best works for you. It will be even more interesting to see this match up once you can test these drivers with the same shaft that is fitted to your swing. But indeed, this is the head-to-head we have all been waiting for, and I can't wait for the next optimized round.

Higher ball speed, more deviation, less efficiency with Stealth. Way more consistency, less dispersion, and it was more efficient. I’d rather hit the rouge if I had those numbers. Sounds like the Kaiali shaft had a softer mid section. Great video, I’d like to see another side by side comparison with the same shaft in both

I already knew I loved your site, but I can’t get over how great and informative the 2nd Swing KZfaq channel is! Keep it up everyone! P.s. I’m pissed that I didn’t know you had a store in the Baltimore area, I just left there yesterday 😣

This was a really interesting comparison. I know it’s too early in the release cycle for this right now, but I’d love to see you all revisit this down the line comparing the low-spin models (Stealth Plus vs. Max LS or TD LS) and the forgiving models (regular Stealth and Max) with Thomas’s gamer shaft in all of them. The Kai’li White seemed impressive here! Mitsubishi’s saying that’s the real-deal version, not a made-for, so it’s a heck of a value, too. Eager to see for myself if the “blueboard feel with whiteboard performance” marketing talk is legit - if so, that would be a monster shaft.

This might be the best comparison review on these 2 drivers on KZfaq! believe me!… I’ve seen all of them, my take on this has to be the Rogue ST with better dispersion Good stuff guys keep up the great content 👏👏👏

Thanks for the comparison! This time of year is like Christmas for us golf equipment nerds. 🤓

You guys are getting really good at these videos. 👍

I usually find your video informative, but this was entertaining!! Nice work

How was the strike location for each club? Would be nice to be included in your comparisons. Great content!

Nice video. You guys have a nice little opportunity to pick up some viewers as a lot of people are peeved over the TXG - Club Champion news. It's tough going back and forth between clubs but this was a good performance. Just bought a new ST-Z this week so I can sit back and enjoy the video without getting any "must have this club" feels.

Not “furtherest”, it’s “furthest”. Thanks for the comparison! I’d choose Rogue all day with those results!!!

Thanks for sharing....I was able to catch a little if the live show....woot woot! I'm so excited to test the new drivers.

Clearly the Rogue driver was more consistent. The TM may have hit a 3 balls the longest. Bu t the overall shot pattern showed the Rogue to be a much better fit and had the majority of longer shots, but not the longest overall. I would be buying the Rogue if that was my fit.

You guys should hire Matty

best head to head on YT so far. Thanks. Def more inclined to go Rogue

Clearly this showed me which driver is best fit my swing for more yardages thanks 2nd Swing...Taylormade Stealth Plus 🙌 I have the Sim 2 and Love it...it's Bomber 💣 accuracy is base on the user in my opinion. 👍 I've try Mavrik driver and other driver too, Titleist Callaway was close, but Taylormade gave more distance and with the right shaft give accuracy and consistent.

Would be good to see Stealth + vs Triple Diamond Rogue ST too

Pre-ordered the rogue. I had the same trouble with the Sim 2 as Thomas did. Every shot was either right or left. Callaway imo is more accurate

Thomas’ Attack Angle is INCREDIBLE! That is my goal for this year.

Awesome hitting Thomas can’t wait to see the fitting components come in and tinkering around with different combinations for maximum distance out of these heads!

Was there just as you guys finished up recording! Keep up the good work👍

In addition to the comparison with the same shaft, I would like to see the comparison between the best fitted shafts for each driver (this will show which driver has the most "potential."

Love the side by side comparison swapping after each shot, can't get in a rhythm with one vs the other as easy. Really enjoy the looks of the Rogue!

Thanks Guys that was fun👍 So far my take on these two drivers is that the Rogue has the edge on looks, sound & consistency. Whilst the Stealth might be slightly longer. It will be interesting to see this battle continue. If I was in the market for a new driver the Rogue would be my first port of call and I have a big doubt about the longevity of that elastomer face covering.

Awesome comparison. Smash factor and consistency win for me. Well done, Gents.

Been waiting for a comparison on these two and looking at the results i will be leaning towards the rogue. Can't wait to put the max and ls up against each other

The two of you have some of the best content/chemistry out there. It's must watch. Now that Ian and Matty Blois are going to be breaking up it's all yours!

They talk about the 4 furthest are Stealth Plus, the 6 shortest are Stealth Plus as well

Slide that front weight in the stealth out to the toe a bit...dispersion will match up and you'll see a touch more distance

Callaway wins imo... High launch low spin WITH accuracy... That's the goal.

The TM Stealth is AMAZING! A total game changer for me. I’m no longer terrified to step onto the tee box. Highly recommended!

Thomas, the shafts may both nominally weigh 60 grams, but they are not the same in bend profile or even exact weight and as you point out they have to make a difference in performance. If you were actually looking to put a new driver in the bag, and trying to decide which of these two gave you the overall best result, you would surely be trying them out with several different shafts and using the same shaft in each head to get an apples to apples comparison, and in the end might not use either stock shaft. Also, what ball are you using? The final choice for you or for any elite pro would probably also involve a ball that gave you exactly the desired combination of spin, distance and feel. But for this demo, the Rogue ST Max LS is a clear winner. Any pro trying to win under intense pressure would 100% take the dispersion pattern you got with the Rogue here, with every ball in the fairway and all giving you about the same distance for your approach shot on each day of the tournament. Meanwhile, the pro using the Stealth would be all over the place, including a shot out of the rough. That one shot alone might cost him a victory.

Efficiency increases with heavier club head. Head speed increases with lighter club / club head. Control tends to favor "enough weight". I'd love to see the actual measures specs ( head weight/ shaft weight / swing weighting ) on these clubs?

What was the total weight and swingweight of both clubs ? Could it explain the swingspeed difference ?

Really interesting video and a great comparison. 2 very different drivers that ultimately do the same thing but get there in a different way.

Stealth must be a lighter head. All tests consistently show it being faster club head speed, and the slightly lower smash also indicates a lighter head. The weight saving by the carbon face hasn't only be redistributed, some hasn't been put back in. That will reduce MOI, and that can also be seen in the higher dispersion.

Great comparison. Would you say the ST Max LS has some draw bias or is it all Thomas? Would love to consider the Max LS but not if it's neutral or fade bias.

Really like the format of shot-for-shot.

Great comparison 👏🏻 Picking up the views TXG is dropping.

Clear winner was the Rogue...Same distance and one had much better dispersion. But a full fit with your best shaft in each or same shaft and shaft length would make for a better comparison.

A bit off topic, but will you ever do a video on swingweights ? Like taking it from one extreme to another or something Most if not all are standard D2-D3-D4 and its not something you ever really hear anything about

I believe the Taylormades swingweight contributes to the the higher speed. SIM2 was D5 where as most others drivers were d2/d3/d4. Like swinging a heavier hammer.

Love my tm +! So many personal gains over my sim 2

Great video! When do you expect all the necessary components to be in for fitting these drivers? Also, any clue when Cobra’s new LTD drivers will be available for fittings?

Great start will be looking forward to true head to head match up as well!

Thomas is a machine hitting ball in the middle for the club face .. we can’t relate to him lol (I am 10 handicap) .. would love to have mid handicap person test the clubs and see how forgiving and accurate the drivers are on mid hits .. that data is worth millions. Not perfect strikes by Thomas lol Great video keep ‘‘em coming

I feel like if you were to flip the shafts, you will probably hit the Rogue further and straight because of how stable and consistent the Rogue head is.

Awesome comparison! Like how you alternated the club shot by shot instead of 5 and 5. Definitely makes a difference. Would like to see the standard STEALTH vs. Rouge max with same shafts.

Best videos on YT! Keep it up boys!

I'm looking for the M1 or Sim2 if they make a 440cc...

Like the new red pullovers that Tom and Drew are wearing for 2022.

Great job again guys! Question... Any chance you can do a video using the Stealth plus for example, and moving the weights to see if it's really can help a draw or fade?

I just added the Rogue ST LS to my bag. how funny is it my numbers where so different with the same setup the Tensei white shaft, I absolutely hated the Stealth, looks wise as well. It was down to cobra and Callaway for me but had far better numbers with rogue. My spin was a little higher at 2260 carry distance at 282

I'd like to see the triple diamond go up against the stealth plus. Could get rid if the draw bias.

Good video guys but would be nice to see Drew be the tester once in a while.

So do you want your drive in the fairway a few yards shorter or do you want to hit bombs where only some are playable? The dispersion says it all. I found the exact same thing with the sim2 and epic max last year. I could hit a few long ones with the sim2 but the epic max was almost always in a good position on the fairway. And then I found the TSI3 and got both distance and great dispersion. The shaft is key to getting the best results and I love 2 of them.. speederNX and ventus blue. If I'm spraying the NX i just put in the ventus and voila... straight drives down the middle.

I tested both drivers as well and ballspeed were the same and so were the carry distances but the club speeds were different. Could it be the simulator reads the clubs differently if the output is the same?

I'd like to see this done again with the same shaft. Right now it's not apples to apples.

I think the difference in the clubhead speed has to do with the clubhead not the shaft. Have you measured the weight of those clubheads? Or maybe it's the inertia generator. I did some speed work last summer with the Epic Speed and the Sim2 and I always swung the Sim2 faster.

I'm coming in for fitting in 2 weeks. During club fitting do you assess where hitting on face and how high teed up? I have found when I'm hitting indoors on mats I get varying results based upon which tee height I use; speaking to Driver of course.

Thomas - based on your swing speed wouldn't you be closer to extra-stiff vs stiff drivers. Would you be able to test these two drivers x-stiff flex around 8 or 9 deg? Thanks

Callaway Rogue ST with stock shaft appears to be a Dream combination in control which would factor at +10% in distance/score value ultimately. Taylormade did launch a Carbon fibre face driver (Gloire) in 2014 for Japan. Didn't scale much heights with that. Callaway did launch a Carbon fibre face driver, C4 about 15 years ago, again this didn't make the cut. Now, whether Carbon face will retain the C.O.R and repulsion factor over a period or not is something unknown against Titanium alloy faces which do well for at least 300 rounds of Golf. Why don't the Giants like Callaway and Taylormade make Forged Titanium face drivers like many Brands in Japan do? Even if it is expensive, the sheer numbers would bring down the costing by a lot. It is a different level of performance with Forged Face Titanium drivers just like the Forged Irons!

I've had the Stealth Plus w/ Fuji Ventus Black (Long time TM Guy). I just wasn't happy with the sound. The performance was fine. I walked into a PGA TSS to just mess around with the Rogue.....then walked out with said Rogue ST....The stealth plus is a great driver, but the forgiveness just wasn't there this year for me and I hate the sound off of the face. The Rogue ST is one of the best sounding drivers (most forgiving as well), that I've ever hit...

I’m curious if it will come out that TrackMan has issues reading the club speed like it had issues with the Maverick when it came out. GC numbers are not showing much of an increase.

Fantastic video. Two new drivers that will do well in the market this year.I tend to favor the Callaway driver. Distance is still good and the dispersion was great. Love to find that fairway every time. Like the new format of alternating shots.

Kind of typical of what I experience. TaylorMade can hit bombs but the dispersion is wider and the spin goes up and down. Callaway is better at consistency, has Ping-like forgiveness and in this iteration is as long as the TM. And there is no plastic coating on the face. TM got a lot of buzz the day of release, but the Callaway performs in all the categories I prioritize and is the one I’ll go with.

I look forward to testing both soon. But chances are they won't better my M5 by much.

Hahaha I’m sorry but I can’t help myself… it’s furthest not “futherest”. Great test, a lot of valuable information.

What shaft are in both clubs during the test as well as the flex?

Can’t argue with consistency of Rogue. I know the Stealth is sexier but Callaway seems to be more reliable. Standard deviations and grouping of Rogue don’t lie. Maybe a custom fitted shaft in both would yield different results.

We’re you able to weight the club heads of both drivers?

I wanted to change my Callaway maverick so tried the Rogue and the Stealth. I found the Stealth out drove and had a better dispersion than both Callaway's. So far love playing with the stealth. Gained 20-30 yards on my drive.

The swing speed difference is the way your radar (trackman) is picking up the shape of the head. It’s been that way for years with different shape heads. Sim and sim 2 also read different with the exact Same shaft. The true comparison is ball speed. Both of those shafts are Mitsubishi whiteboard profiles with slight material differences. It’s not the shaft causing 4 mph difference.

Neither sleeve has changed correct? Couldn't you just use other shafts to try to match up profiles?

Seeing the same with every review of these 2 drivers , Stealth has more club and ball speed but very little gain in distance ?

Kai”li is basically a combination or both shafts offered in the callaway and it’s why club speed is easier to find … it’s Bend profile is unmatched it’s unbelievable

Why not try the Triple Diamond?

Is not even close here gents. Rogue is as long as the stealth and more forgiving, consistent and sounds better too. No Brainer here… Rogue wins.

The data here is being misinterpreted. They were probably being swung at close to the same clubhead speeds but Trackman tracks the geometric center of the club face - which is just an approximation - thus only ball speeds are actually reliable. Also, you can see that the spin numbers for the Stealth were estimated - that's why spin is italicized. Not sure whether you're using the new Titleist RCT balls but that may help with reading spin indoors. Club Head speed is just not a good metric to test head vs head given how Trackman guesses geometric centers on different heads vs tracking club face like GCQuad does.

With a robot test swinger which can hit the ball in the center of the face every time, Stealth will perform better. However, off center hits which is the reality for us casual golfers is where the Rogue scores. Stealth is the first carbon faced driver so TM will make the second Stealth better.

Lest we forget Calloway tried the carbon face driver over 20yrs ago with the C4. Didn't catch on then. Can't imagine what the Stealth dispersion looks like for the poor average golfer that lays down some $$$ for it. Stealth is what you'll be when you're lost in the woods. If you're obsessed with swing speed over all else maybe Stealth wins the day but by any measure of aggregate performance Rogue seems a clear choice.

Love my tayloymade,the Best

I would be nice to see what the dispersion and distances would be with a bone stock on course swing instead of trying to murder the ball swing trying to impress whomever.

Well, just for fun, I guess. Fit both drivers for him, and then we'll see a good comparison. 🙏👍

We’re you playing those both at 9 degrees?

Accomplished golfers can play just about anything and do well. Their differences are much more narrow and their tweaks much less dramatic. The average player is the one who will be affected most by this choice. I'd like to see someone who hits it 250 (total) hit these two clubs. I'd bet the TM would come out on top because the slower swinger will get killed by the lack of spin. (And again, the accomplished player may not like higher spin rates, but won't he as affected by them.)

Rogue smoked the stealth for sure! If you put the kai'li in the rogue to get the swing speed more comparable it would have smoked it in carry and total too! The despersion and spin consistency was not even close!

If Tom put that weight on the stealth towards the toe it would increase the moi and straighten it out. Would have spanked the Rogue.

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Based on this, rogue

Stealth was also the shortest driver by a lot too. Callaway for the win here by a mile, and its stock.

What driver does he game?

Should be splitting shots like this anyways 👍🏻👍🏻

Nice comparison, though that last year’s fitting components (shafts) would have fit those heads. Which would have allowed a same shaft comparison

Is it more a test about driver head or effect of torque on result… 4+ torque vs 3.something torque…

Thomas keep taking the horse Steroids and 350 is in the cards. Great vid.

If you change the loft on the Stealth you might see that spin drop as well not as big of a left miss. Would of love to see that

Now let Drew!!! Hit do the same testing see what the results!.

just ordered Max LS - GD ADIZ 5X - frothing to crack some balls