Hi Lem. Totally unrelated to the video. What ever happened to the $1000usd Suzuki you guys picked up and fixed back in August?

Love your video! You got a new subscriber here! By the way can you talk about the difference between having ABS in the front only vs. having ABS on both wheels? Is it really necessary?

Just remove the ABS fuse like on a car and bam no ABS

@@paule5812 I know and putting a switch in for the headlight and disabling the switch for the side stand are all easy but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Corey Brass understandable

@MrPlopfest and that's a great reason for me to use a headlight...but it still should be my choice. Here is an interesting fact that you can research; if every automobile passenger had a helmet on then more lives would be saved then if every motorcyclist didnt wear a helmet.

Disable your low beam and only use the high beam - that way you can turn it on & off (that's what l do) You're welcome...

I thought he had lost weight. good for him!

Lem Lite

I'm glad he's looking after himself. Biker Image be damned. No one is gonna be there for you him if his health takes a hit.

Stunt double

cheapest way to increase power/weight ratio on your bike =)

Thank you for being a voice of reason

I have no ABS, but if it indeed gets mandatory by law I guess at some point in time prices must come down generally for the system if every brand and model simply has one... ABS saves so many cars, I guess it's time to really start saving bikers too. I only had a problem with brakes once, never had problems controlling the front brake as I'm used since a kid in bicycles but the problem is controlling the rear brake for me in a dangerous situation. Once I was on a road that fits only 1 car (one way road) and I was only at around 50KM\h and after a turn I get a BMW coming in reverse to me on a tight road, tight turn with no visibility and in the opposite way of the road which for sure I would never expected it. As soon as I saw it full rear brake with gentle front brake, I didn't fall or hit the car but was close to scratching at least however the rear tyre wasn't doing anything at all as it was fully locked since the first second I saw the car, bam full rear brake and I don't think I could ever control it if I get any more similar situation... Shit might happen at any second and in my opinion it's hard to even know WTF we are going to do unless being there. On a track while racing that's all different for example as everyone knows the track, what to expect and are always 100% focused but on every day riding, everything can happen and sometimes is a split second and it's all gone just like that.

This was truly inspirational.

Dont believe that I like rear wheel ABS. No locking the back wheel is depressing and a questionable reduction of control. Front wheel ABS may be OK.

@@christopherwieland1196 ABS has reduced motocycle fatalities globally by 37% according to the WHO. I'll always have it. Why remove a layer of safety?

Agreed. Pro riders can out brake ABS on a track in perfect conditions (good pavement, time to anticipate, etc), anyone who gets surprised and needs to brake in an emergency situation gets outperformed by ABS

This doesnt help lol, but in a car it is absolutely faster below 80kph to lock the front wheels. If the shortest fastest stop in a straight line is whats right for the situation of course Over 80kph the grip v inertia equation goes the other way.

The Mongoose No, it is never good to lock the wheels when stopping on a hard surface. Sliding (dynamic) friction is always less than non sliding (static) friction. That is why dragsters never want to spin their tires during a drag race. As soon as the tires begin to spin, traction goes down dramatically and the opponent pulls away quickly. Spinning tires during acceleration is functionally equivalent to locking and sliding a tire during deceleration. Now, if you are talking reasonably deep snow or sand where the locked tire can “dam” up material in from of the tire, then locking the wheels can have an advantage and allow a faster stop. ABS is a detriment in such conditions.

LTVoyager now sorry but it was tested a long time ago when abs was being commonly introd. Inertia mate. Which is why spinning a wheel is slower in a straight line. Inertia.

The Mongoose you need to go back to physics class for a refresher. Friction coefficient is what gets you stopped, and kinetic (=sliding) friction is always lower than static friction. Exception is gravel or snow where a sliding tire can build up a wedge in front which helps with deceleration. Inertia is just another word for the stored kinetic energy which is independent of the braking mechanism.

It save me countless times as i live in thailand manny things are jumping out at me on the road.It is not just crazy drivers it's dogs,cats,and buffalows that like the streets.Your life is worth the extra money,to me all bikes should have abs!

@@markvandeventer2411 similar situation here in India, definitely a life saver

I am a Japanese girl living in Scotland. Just this week I was out on my 96ci Harley Street Bob (FXDB) to pick up some essential shopping. I was cruising along a dual carriageway at around 60mph well within the speed limit and as it's lockdown the roads were empty. Up ahead I saw an SUV stopped at the end of the slip road (kinda like an on ramp in the US). I thought, "How the hell have you managed to get in that position". No sooner had I thought that the SUV pulled out into my lane at 5mph and began accelerating slowly as I approached from behind at 60mph. I had to emergency brake and the crap Harley ABS kicked in, lots of tire smoke, the bike was bucking and kicking and wanting to veer off. I managed to hold the bike and it slowed to a matching speed of the SUV with inches to spare. My front wheel was an inch off the back bumper. The ABS both saved me and almost killed me in equal measure. Make sure you buy a bike with GOOD ABS. Either way I am glad I went to the bathroom before I left home 😰😰

I had a light that went from green, to yellow, to red in a matter of 3 seconds, if I didn't have abs I would have slid right through the intersection because of how fast I had to brake.

Yeah it definitely serves its purpose . You can slow down insanely fast If you need to panic brake

Not true at all. If you ride without any rider aids, you are in charge and are in fact responsible for your own mistakes and for your own life. That means that when on a bike without rider aids, you will instinctivly go slower and be more alert.

I once had a buddy tell me he could go 3 rounds with the heavy weight boxing champion. That's what I think of when people say they can beat ABS... NO FUCKING WAY !! You will be unconscious 😂😂

There's off-road ABS these days too, pretty sure it comes standard on newer KTM ADV bikes.

@@Brgnalf81, no, not at all. People are going to ride their bikes the same weather or not their bike has abs or not

@@csolivais1979 I find that my friends that have rider aids on their bikes tend to over do it more times than the guys without rider aids.

@John Because I'm a fallible human being, and if I do get careless and screw up (or otherwise don't recognize that I have trees blocking my line of sight, or some other subtle safety hazard), there's a chance the brakes will save my life and I'll properly learn a valuable lesson that turned out to be a lot cheaper than it would have been had I not had a bike that brakes better than I do.

@John why would I want a bike to be better than my braking ability? That's like asking a person who's a 5 why they married an 8?! How many people have been killed or injured because they had ABS versus how many have been killed or injured because they didn't. If you or anyone else is better than ABS on a road (not a track) with its thousands of variables, then by all means, don't use it. But don't try to influence every other rider that they'll be 2 wheeled gods if they ditch ABS.

@John this might be the dumbest thing I've ever read lmao, you're stupid

The Timekeeper if you get careless get off your bike like an adult

@@cobalt_sabre2735 Braking isn't the only option though. There is also swerving. Also, practicing emergency braking can get you to be quite good without ABS. My bike doesn't have ABS, and at first, I was greatly concerned, but with experience, I've been able to get quite good at braking in an emergency. In fact, I'm more concerned about being rear ended, which is why I usually resort to the swerve, since the last thing I want is to be stuck between the car that just cut me off, and a car behind me making me into a sandwich between two cars.

@@cobalt_sabre2735 btw, that wasn't an argument against ABS. I think ABS is great to have. I wish by bike had it, but I have gotten quite good with my braking that it would be more of a peace of mind than a necessity at this point. The thing about being on a motorcycle though is the threat isnt just not crashing into things but things crashing into you. While ABS might save you from crashing into the idiot that just go out of the parking lot, it will do nothing to stop the idiot behind you from crashing into you. Swerving, on the other hand, might, and that is an essential tool to have, with or without ABS.

@@joemann7971 I agree with your point exactly. What scares me most about the new ABS age is that it seems a lot of new riders are seeing this as a feature rather than an absolute last resort safety mechanism. If you're constantly activating ABS while riding, you either need more training or need to make better choices while riding. 8 hours of training in a good riding class will do more than ABS ever can. To me it's the same as a car, the only time I've ever really ran into ABS is in the snow and ice, and I don't think it's a good idea to ride in those conditions

@@TitanFlare my bike doesn't have ABS so, I had no choice but to learn to brake properly. I tend to swerve when I don't have a lot of time to react and brake properly. I'm from California, so when I see a car stop fairly quickly, my first instinct is to swerve into a lane splitting position and apply the brakes, which generally gives me a huge space cushion. I always stop to match their speed before so start lane splitting to give the drivers in front a chance to see me.

Most abs, is only on the rear wheel, so not really needed on the street or any where.

Hi Akiko. ABS brakes don't stop you the fastest way possible just by yanking them, no matter how good they are. You have to modulate the brakes in a way where your front forks don't bottom out hard and then bounce like a pogo stick. When your front loses traction, you lose almost all your braking. Then as your front comes back down, wham, it bites hard, but then you bottom it out and bounce it, again. And ABS is 100% doing exactly what it's supposed to do. On that Harley, you gotta do the weight transfer more smoothly to load the front just that one time and to keep it there. Braking takes a bit of skill and focused learning. Once you've learned (and most people don't ever learn. We're too dumb and lazy), ABS is not a big deal in the vast majority of your riding conditions. But since most people can't learn this, ABS will save us dummies, sometimes. Like it did for you, here.

so you got to keep riding happily ever after. good to know you are safe.

I am a Japanese girl living in Scotland. Just this week I was out on my 96ci Harley Street Bob (FXDB) to pick up some essential shopping. I was cruising along a dual carriageway at around 60mph well within the speed limit and as it's lockdown the roads were empty. Up ahead I saw an SUV stopped at the end of the slip road (kinda like an on ramp in the US). I thought, "How the hell have you managed to get in that position". No sooner had I thought that the SUV pulled out into my lane at 5mph and began accelerating slowly as I approached from behind at 60mph. I had to emergency brake and the crap Harley ABS kicked in, lots of tire smoke, the bike was bucking and kicking and wanting to veer off. I managed to hold the bike and it slowed to a matching speed of the SUV with inches to spare. My front wheel was an inch off the back bumper. The ABS both saved me and almost killed me in equal measure. Make sure you buy a bike with GOOD ABS. Either way I am glad I went to the bathroom before I left home 😰😰

@Cody Phinney @Cody Not a bot, just copypasta'd my comment to reply to another commenter. Lazy I know, but easier than typing it out again 😂

@@DoctorAkikoFukuwara Thanks for your story I am glad you’re safe

You might have been fine on a bike without ABS. You never know.

@@Zalazaar No way, I know the abs kicked in when I breaked hard and my tires lost traction for a fraction of time.

@@sid1290 My point still stands

@@Zalazaar Bro you ever used ABS? You'll know when ABS kicks in and when it didn't. I was panic breaking that time and there's absolutely no way I could've handled it without ABS help.

@Cody Phinney Ride safe buddy ✌️

He meant off-road riders. It's easier to back in an enduro than braking and turning. But yea, most of pro enduro riders don't bother with ABS and just switch it off/rip it out completely, so video's argument is invalid.

i agree. But to me that is not the point. ABS works well, that is certain. I can do without it and have been doing so since the early 1970's. As an option I'm all for it. As a self wrencher though I find it unnecessarily complicated and too costly for the benefits. The costs of ABS repair OFTEN exceed the cost of an otherwise fine machine.

@@WiseWik he never said he was talking about off road use and the main use of a bike is the road so it still have no sens :)

@@amrev2.020 all my bikes are abs bikes since 2010 and it never add anyting to the repaire as the abs system on all of them worked like a charm , never had a issue on them and work on them like all the other bikes its not complicated at all

@@amrev2.020 spot on. Id rather see more riders getting airbag vests than ABS. Vigilant riding should mitigate *most* of the need for ABS, just like driving a car

@Bad Santa why tho?

@Henry Discipline that's something I didn't think of. good one

@Henry Discipline thats a complete and total opinion. There are no facts behind what you said. I for sure don't ride differently bc I have abs.

EyeInTheSky not really its kind of the same as what the guy in the video said

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Riding a motorcycle is a high risk activity. In the past you had no choice to reduce risk. To be honest the riding community is filled with ignorant bliss and I started riding in th 1980's where such risks were shrugged off as price to pay to enjoy motorcycling or not at all. ABS is even more important to new riders because your first big mistake could be your last. Studies prove ABS reduces death risk by 25% on a motorcycle. I would argue affordability is a weak excuse and my response is then you can't really afford a motorcycle or you devalue you life and well-being to take a unnecessary incremental risk. As an analogy would you go to a doctor who practices only medicine from 30 years ago to save some money? My most recent two motorcycles and every motocycle I buy in future will have minimum 5 or 6-axis IMU providing cornering ABS and traction control. If I cant afford a motorcycle with those safety features then I'll stop riding motorcycles.

​@@kannermwJesus dude, if you you want the thing to operate itself just buy a tesla. You can enjoy your orange slices and capri sun from the driver's seat without ever putting your hands on the wheel.

@@hung-lodongdynasty You just exposed your ignorance at the highest level possible. Moto-GP riders have been using such aids for over a decade and they are professionals riding in a controlled environment on a track that is nothing like the street. A bike with rider aids does not drive itself but it can potentially save you from death or seriously injury when the unexpected happens. They will not protect you from your own arrogance and stupidity. If you think as a rider you are always 100% attentive or have mystical superhuman moto skills then maybe let Darwins law take it's course the world would be much better offmwithout you.

This is a common fallacy, You can only outperform ABS in slow straight line stop. Usually less than 20mph on clean dry pavement and where the rear wheel is allowed to come off the ground causing loss of steering control.. The street is unpredictable. I would love to go up against some pundits with sand, oil, or water on the pavement and watch them low side or run 50 feet beyond me in a high speed stop.

​@@kannermwalso, it's another thing to stop in a panic emergency situation. ABS is great overall

@@NoNopeAndNo There are different levels of ABS sophistication. Some integrate engine controller to know gear selection and throttle position to reflect effect of engine braking on rear wheel. Some modulate brake pressure more precisely to minimize skid-slip variation and maintain braking pressure closer to threshold just below wheel lock-up with real-time control (100s of times per second). Then there are multi-axis (lean angle) dependent systems allowing maximum braking in a corner with low risk of low-side crash that no human can possibly replicate in real world variable conditions. The individuals that claim they can outperform such systems falsely perceive they have superhuman skills. They are just plain ignorant and quite possibly the next future organ donors waiting for their final turn.

@@kannermw absolutely, I have seen details about various ABS systems and further advancements. You're spot on with your comment 👌

Exactly. If new safety can can keep people riding longer and encourage more timid newies to give riding a boost in confidence to try motorcycles than that can only mean good things for all of us.

Yea, but I bet if the MoCo gave Lem a bike he wouldn't spray paint it.

@@Miata822 yeah but how does it work in a motorcycle? 😋

I've had both brakes lock up while doing emergency stop training, it's not an automatic wipe-out(I never wiped out), but it does mean you have to let go off the front brake and start over, which isn't really something you want to do in an emergency situation. My bike has ABS, it was however malfunctioning due to low battery for a while, fixed it with a charger.

That is really all you need to do. Flush regularly. Every two years. Activate the abs pump now and again. It's actually pretty cool when you slam I the brakes and the tires just keep on turning.

Only one time? Abs as saved my ass more than a dozen times in the las 6 months no I am not a bad rider but I am a beginner rider commuting in heavy trafic every day. So when the rain hits the asphalt I can't live without.

Yeah I don't ride in rain much. For me it was invisible fine gravel.

Yer durrrrrrrrn toot'in!

that's why you pull the fuse for the ABS before hitting the trail

@mld Versys-x. Pulling the fuse gives a fault that you've got to have a computer to disable. There's a workaround where you pop the bike into second, and run it to 20-30 mph while on the center stand. Can't wait for that one to get away from me.

You forgot slow. You know slow people that do that. There are no fast people that ride that way.

@@BTrain-is8ch I agree. They have no smoothness or flow to their riding. Some people have never had bikes without abs. They've never had to ride without a safety net.

@mld I wouldn't say that. I think it should be used as a safety net rather than a crutch.

I mean I get your point, but if someone’s new to riding and live in cold weather, traction control is sorta important because of the cold temps. It’s better to use traction control until you feel comfortable to take it off than to sit there take it off and have some real bad spills.

@@dongambino5308 a lot of those people wouldn't ever turn them off though. Having something with decent tyres and a sensible amount of power as well as a sensible approach to riding to your conditions would be far more beneficial I feel.

It took me nine months but I see what you did there.

Is ABS standard in Thailand? I found it interesting that scooters have auto engine stop start there to save fuel.

Michael Clark abs is not standard. I have a Yamaha n-max which has front and rear. I see inexperienced riders lock the front brake up all the time in traffic situations, and down they go.

Speedytrip, it’s been done. The results can be summed up as follows: If the rider doesn’t lock the brakes (threshold braking or less), there is no difference between the bike with or without ABS. If the rider *does* lock the brakes (greater than threshold braking), the bike with ABS will stop more quickly, and without loss of control.

@@Vessekx Haven't seen that test using the latest systems. Have a link to the video?

Speedytrip, I stumbled across one about a year and a half ago when I was prepping for my MSF course. There’s another I stumbled across more recently, but it’s more of an overview comparison between no ABS, ABS, and cornering ABS than a scientific test. I’ll see if I can dig that one up.

Speedytrip, here’s the more recent of the videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJt7mLmV3crIZWg.html

Speedytrip And another: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/js6Ca9GH0NyukY0.html