Trigger creep means nothing to me. When I shoot I pull the trigger one motion. If someone is attacking you the last thing I’m worried about is trigger creep

When the ist gen shield came out I was getting my permit and did hours and hours of internet research because I had to find my first pistol. I picked the S&W 9mm shield. Many years and many other guns later, I still love my shield. I put an Apex trigger in it, better sights, and talon grip over time and prefer this over many.

Just got plus performance. Also have the P365xl and P365. Real hard to choose which is best.

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Have the M&P 2.0 3.6 inch barrel in 9 and 40...they are very underrated awesome pistols.

I owned the Sig p365 over 2 years and after 8k rounds through it I ended up trading it in yesterday for the Smith and wesson m&p shield plus! I just got back from the range and by far the M&P felt much better shooting! And I hate to admit that! I'm a Sig diehard!!! It truly is a better shooting experience

The 14+1 flush mag of the P365X (with a Magguts +2 extender kit), the extended beaver tail and slight mag well, and front rail (even though it's proprietary) do it for me. Obviously, everyone needs a firearm that works for them. For me, for EDC, it's the P365X (not XL, because I pocket carry).

I just got the Shield Plus. Great gun! It's not quite as accurate as the original high-cap mini...my Glock 26, but it's trigger and shootability is excellent! I did have to install some Hogue wrap-around grips to keep the grip surface from wearing me raw while in my IWB holster. I appreciate S&W using an already proven design rather than trying to re-engineer the wheel. Best new gun in its class!

The Sig is awesome but I love love love my Shield Plus. That grip is such a great fit and the trigger is sooooooooo crisp. Thanks for the review.

I have both of these. You are right I changed my grip module and put an extended mag release on my 365 xl . The trigger is preference. Each trigger has its own character. I actually like the sig trigger. Once you learn it . It got some take up , but you got to ride that wall .

Nice review I have the P356XL I agree with every point about the XL had to replace Mag release with Armory Craft to help get more leverage, grip is small had to buy Hogue grip to fill my small hands, and the trigger may as well be a two stage trigger mushhhhhhhy! If the gun wasn’t only 6 months old I would look elsewhere but stuck for now.

The XL (not the basic 365 or X) is really in the sweet spot for a sub-compacts. It can be used as a carry, home defense, or serious range gun with 12+1. It shoots extremely flat and the X-ray sights are second to none. The trigger takes some getting used to, but once you master it, you’ll wonder how you ever did without it. You can use at least 2 different brands of optics plus it has a rail and although it’s proprietary, there is an adapter. I seriously looked at the Shield plus after having purchased a .380 Shield EZ for my wife which she absolutely loves to shoot. I have several 3.1 inch barrel handguns and the 3.6 plus the other pros I mentioned about the XL, pretty much made the choice an easy one for me.

Every time I think "I should try a new brand", S&W does something like this. If they made a 226/229 competitor I'd buy it

I’m still waiting for spare mags to become available for the shield plus.

"3 reasons this is better than this" is a very nice concept of review, straight n short. I hope you will do some full size handguns.

Good review. I love your description of the Sig trigger. The Shield Plus is definitely the winner. Good work.

Good video! I've ran both and prefer the Sig P365 although I wish it had the Shields trigger.

A Hogue grip on the 365 helps fill out the hand :-). Good video brother

I tried both at the gunstore and I was surprised at how much easier it was to drop the mag on the shield. My hands are about medium size.

You can tell how much you subjectively prefer the smith, when you compared it’s reset to the snap of a carrot. Sure, the break is clean, but It literally has the quietest and most muted/mushy reset of all of them. The reset on the p365xl trigger is at least super springy and audible. I own both, so I’m not speaking out of turn, and I happen to like the smith, also! I just prefer my Sig haha

My biggest gripe with the P365 (as an owner) is the mag release. Almost impossible to hit with my right thumb because it trails away from you. I know it’s designed to be as flush as possible but they could’ve raised it a little.

I tried both when buying and went with the Sig. No regrets. Not even one letter.

I have the same problem with the 365 mag release. I have the plus 4” pc and it’s a beauty.

Put the Wilson combat grip frame on the sig and it’s a lot nicer. You can get Tungsten rods for the grip from Wilson to make it a couple ounces heavier too. Noticeable change in feel while firing it.

S&W really knocked it out of the park with that trigger! I like sig triggers cause they are so smooth and crisp but damn smith and Wesson did a wonderful job! Gotta disagree with you on the mag release though I’ve never had a problem dropping my mags in my sig or my shield 2.0. And S&W did a great job with the grip texture they did too

It's all preference, I have both and I like the p365. Jst carry what feels good in yr hand. That's why we have choices.

I have a Shield 1.0 and a Shield Plus. The safety on my new Plus is extremely hard to move to set or release it. I had to use a screwdriver to move it to off the first time. Have worked it on and off many, many times, mostly having to use a golf tee as it was wearing out my thumb. I’ve read comments from other owners who had the same problem. The safety on my Shield 1.0 moves easily on or off with thumb pressure. I’ll be contacting S&W about it.

Yeah, I never decide on purchasing a weapon by the accuracy, action or dependability of it. SMH 🤦🏼‍♂️! C'mon man, just admit it, you're a Smith guy.

I also have both. I can’t get my big hands around the grip of the Sig. The XL frame is better. The Smith feels so much better to me. You should give the new Taurus GX4 a try too. That thing feels the best and has the best trigger imo

Jerry Miculek just released a video on the Shield Plus and his trigger pull test showed 6-7 lbs versus what yours showed at 4.10ish. So either you did some trigger work, maybe a good polish? Or they are all over the place with regard to what you can expect from the factory. I have to say I had the pleasure of shooting both and the only thing I personally didn't like on the Shield was having to be cautious not to pinch the ever living shit out of my hand when reloading due to the 2 finger front grip. The back of the grip is extended enough to manage, just not sure how well that grip works for big hands in a bad situation. Thats the only thing that pushes me more so to the Glock 43X,48 or the Sig 365XL. Nice video

How does the mossberg 2c compare? I was really impressed with that gun and imo is comparable

I have larger hands and I prefer the p365, you are right about the mag release, had to upgrade it. That taurus G3C mag release is beautiful

I gotta say sw grips are nice, I shot a sw compact 22 and even that felt really good in my hand, and I don’t even think it had the upgraded 2.0 grip or whatever it’s called!

Took my new Shield Plus 9mm to the range this week and I'm not impressed. I may give it one more chance before I trade it for the P365 but I'm pretty sure about the 365.

Great comparison Kimo365. I like the Shield Plus but for me personally that extended magazine feels much different from the solid full grip of the P365. I agree the Sig trigger is mushy but it is also very predictable, hopefully they'll make a model with solid grips that hold 13rd.

I bought a Shield Plus about 6 weeks ago put 1000 rounds in it and the thing runs, the grip is awesome feels like a full size for me with the 13 round mag and the trigger is super nice.

I have them both and love them both. I recently switched to the M&P (Performance Center with 4” barrel) for EDC because of the smoother trigger, longer barrel length and sight radius, and extra weight. I swapped out the fiber optic sights for Ameriglo Spartans. My recoil control has improved and it feels great in my hands. But like I said, I love them both and am very grateful that polygamy is ethical in the gun world.

I wanted to get the 4inch shield plus but nobody has mags so i went with sig even though mags are 50 a piece

I exclusively pocket carry, front right pocket, the S&W Shield 2.0 was pushing the envelope for that that, the plus would cross the envelope!

Had an original Shield. Sold it after a couple months. Still have my p365, p365 xl, and Hellcat. Love all their grips and triggers better. But to each their own

What about shoot ability?

I have both these pistols and they are very close overall. Sig has longer barrel and flush fit magazine of 12 instead of 10 for Shield Plus. I see you can get the Shield Plus with 4” barrel though. If you carry the shield you are good to go with holsters but will have to get new holster for Sig. I prefer the Shield plus overall for one reason. I shoot it more consistently for some reason I can’t put my finger on even though the Sig “feels” better in my hand.

I second hogue grip with some crazy glue to hold in place and it's like a brand new gun. Love the 365 even more now. Plus is good but SW shot themselves in the foot by not having a plus with an optics cut. Most of us are not in the market for the performance center 4 inch.

Thanks KIMO. Great job. Good info.

Breaks like glass 🤔 is that hard bullet proof glass ? 😅 ... kIdding. I have the shield .45acp 2.0..... hope they make the shield plus in the 45..

S&W needs to start making its M&P line more modular. I own the Reg 365, XL, and Shield Plus and prefer the modularity from Sig. I can slap the FCC into any grip I want. I have quite a few. I turned my Reg 365 into a 365 X with the Wilson Combat XL grip mod and my XL into a Macro TacOps. My XL FCC and Slide on the Macro grip mod with the #1 backstrap made it, to my taste, the most comfortable feeling pistol I've ever shot. That being said the Shield Plus is a very very good EDC choice. There are days I will carry it over my Sigs because it is a great gun.

That's what I wanted to know. Good coverage on both 👍

Very nice, quick review!!

may i know your height and built?

I really wanted to like the Sig but I have large hands and that grip is just way too small. It just wasn’t comfortable to handle or shoot for me. A couple of my female friends have the 365 and love it. In the winter I carry the M&P Compact, in summer I carry the Shield.

I have been an M&P guy for years...i got a performance center shield plus recently and it is every bit as nice to shoot as my old 2.0 compact...

Smith and Wesson Shied 10 & 13 rounds $379 at Academy Sports And Outdoors. Great video

still have the old shield but might get this one with more rounds

Nice review, but your reasons are all subjective. I’m considering these two for a more concealable summer carry. I’ve shot both but the Sig is slightly more concealable, has at least a proprietary rail, and comes with night sights. Both are great shooters but facts not subjectivity.

They’re both great guns, I am sticking with the standard Sig P365, especially now that magguts is now selling nearly flush fit 12 round magazines that fit in the Sig, and I carry a 15 round extra mag, plus the sig. offers Standard 3 dot night sights. The sig is also smaller and is easier to conceal, don’t get me wrong the new shield is great too but the extra features that the 365 has make it a better choice for me, everybody has their own opinions

Can't go wrong with the Shield Plus. It's cheaper, has better grip texture, and the stock trigger is best in it's class. It just sucks that you have to shell out so much more money for the Performance version if you want a longer slide that's comparable to the P365 XL. I'm hoping in the future S&W releases a longer slide/barrel version of the Shield Plus because the grip size is already perfect to me.

A bigger grip is about it, but the Sig p365 xl feels great in the hand. The mag release for the Sig p365 xl is true, but I put in a extended mag release to fix that. Umm..your saying a lighter trigger pull is bad? lol Plus the look of the Sig with the romeo zero sight is waaayyy better. Im sticking with my Sig P365 XL.

My next gun purchase! I have big hands and need something substantial!

You have really confused me here. You are judging a weapon on every criteria other than what it is made for. This is a conceal carry weapon not a target pistol made to shoot on the range all day. You did not say a single word about carry comfort or about weight. In a CCW you care not for trigger break, creep or reset unless they are just horrible. You don't care about it "fitting your hand" unless it is just terrible -- Because when you NEED IT you are not going to be shooting it for very long. You care about CARRYING it so that you do have it when you need it. . You totally and completely missed the point.

I prefer the smaller grip. I shoot xl more accurately as a result. I like trigger slightly better on Plus. Like the mag release better too. But ease of shooting more accurately more important. Also the reset (cteep)example you did on the xl was obviously over exaggerated

I agree with you and yet can find 3 reasons why the M&P might not be better. 1. The optics version of the M&P has the PC moniker so that they can gig you on the price. 2. Sig has a much better customer service. 3. The older M&P shield was an outstanding pistol for the price; the latest version is way over-priced considering the trade In or resell value when it comes time to select the next latest and greatest pistol. With all of that said, I think the M&P is the better pistol.

Sold the S&W 2.0 and went with the 365XL instead of upgrading to the plus. Like it more for me. 1) I have small to medium hands. 2) mag release sticks out too much for me on the shield 3) the flat faced trigger feels better on the sig to me too lol I don't pull triggers slow. And 12 to 15 rounds is hard to beat for the size also. The red dot option and night sights are also another reason the sig shines. To each their own.

Question why the Shield Plus?? Answer: The real and only reason is that it is the newest shinny object. WHY? because any modern gun today (Glock 43/43x, Sig 365/365XL, regular Shield/Shield Plus, Beretta APX Carry, Hellcat, even a Bersa Thunder .380 ACP, etc.) will work well for conceal carry and training/practice makes it work even better. Keep what gun you have now and do not worry about _CAPACITY_ in a concealed carry firearm as in concealed self-defense shootings FBI street data states on average *_2 to 4 shots are fired_* no matter how many "bad" guys there were. Relax, *_stay calm, and carry concealed._* *And:* Happy upcoming New Year!

I held both in my hands. I loved everything about both the p365 (standard) and the shield plus. I opted for the p365 (standard) since it is a tad smaller. I love it, and I really want to snag the shield plus too haha. The shields trigger was amazing and the grip was awesome. But I felt the same about the p365. Also the p365 came with night sights and I liked the stippling and grip shape and size a tad more (although the shield was great and comfortable too) Ultimately it came down to the size as this was for edc. I’ll probably snag a shield plus at some point too. Either way I’m glad with my decision. Neither are a bad gun, the p365 ergonomics just fit me a little better also since I have small hands. I’m also a little bossy towards sig since I’m from NH haha On a side note, the sig p365 feels terrible when dry firing but I think it’s really nice when actually firing. I have the standard though. The mp shield plus’ definitely felt better though although I actually really like my sigs. I noticed the shields was super light (I’m used to glocks lol)

I do agree that the shield feels more comfortable than the 365. But when compared to the 365xl they are equivalent. I think you maybe splinting hair since I’ve heard great things about the 365x or above.

IMO... the SHIELD is one of the Small Sub Compact guns that has NEVER had any problems that I've heard of... To where the Sig is.... That's enough for me & that's just ONE REASON!!!!! LOL..

I own both, and couldn’t agree more. I treat the 365 as a pocket pistol for jogging pants. The Shield plus is FAR superior for EDC

I bought the shield plus but exchanged it the very next day because I could not find any mags for it anywhere. I got the SIG SAUER P365 XL instead. mags can be found anywhere for the 365 XL!!! also, the 365 XL barrel is about 1/2 inch longer than the shield plus.....much better!!!

I own both, (well the p365x not the xl) and I prefer the sig. Both are great guns but with mag guts I get 14+1 out of my sig in a smaller package and it’s also optics ready whereas S&W doesn’t make any of their micros optics ready not even the performance center model, which is a huge downside. I also prefer the Sigs trigger, it may just be my specific gun but the trigger isn’t mushy at all and breaks like glass at 90 degrees.

I am not a "trigger connoisseur" like you, and many people, are, but the other things you point to I can understand with the hands that you have. I am a short guy, and though my hands are not real small they are also nowhere near as "meaty" as your hands are, so I completely understand the preferences you have between these 2 guns. Totally makes sense. The P365XL is my EDC and it fits my hand perfectly. I also do not have any issues with the mag release button. As for the trigger...the amount of significance people put into the nuances of a trigger on a gun, to me, is like someone doing a shoe lace review. Really? I pull on the triggers of all my guns and they all fire. They are doing their jobs absolutely perfectly.

I have owned both; but lost them in a boating accident. A few years ago I completely switched to S&W because one is none and two is one; three for parts. The shield is awesome. The Sig is good but the grip is small for sure. Really can’t beat S&W quality; especially the performance series (as close to a custom gun as you can get without paying custom prices). I highly recommend the shield plus as well as the 2.0 series. Sig respectfully, is great too. Get 2 or 3; you just don’t wanna worry about swapping different magazines in the dark if you ever had too. One is none and two is one; three for parts. 😃😉👍🏻

I like everything about the shield plus except that so far it is consistently shooting left for me. Never had a gun including the P365 that I had to question whether the sights are off or not. Gonna have to figure it out though due to it shooting so far to the left.

I have both pistols. I carry the Sig for every day carry. I use my Smith for annual qualification under H.R. 218.

No meed to drop your grip to release the mag. Just rotate the pistol using your support hand before you reach for a fresh mag. In the end if they both fire when needed, trigger reset or crisp means nothing.

Im not going to argue which gun is better, because it really is mostly personal preference. But saying the P365 trigger is like punching a bag of marshmellows is probably a bit of an overreach. The Sig has a pretty good trigger. I cant compare it to the S&W because I havent shot that gun, but Ive seen universal praise for the sig trigger.

One reason you shouldn’t,there are no mags available for the shield plus anywhere.

Guys I know that no one will agree with me on this but, to me 4lbs 10oz on the trigger pull on a self defensive gun is too light. That's great at the range but, in a maximun stress situation it's just to easy to pull the trigger when you did not need to. I personally want a double action trigger pull for that reason. I'm just asking you to give it some thought.

Price also!

The warning manual scrolled on S&W pistols is always an aesthetic deal breaker for me. That in conjunction with S&W ILS on their novel revolvers. (Sans me 442 .38 Spl.) The S&W M&P 15 rifle however, is a win!

In July 2021 in Jacksonville FL, the SWaMPy Shield Plus is $450, the SIG is over $600. Geoff Who is looking at the Shield Plus.

Thx for the vid

Great vid thx

I Have Both The S&W Shield Plus and The Sig P365 XL In My Opinion They Are Both Great CCF This Is My Third P365 I Had The Regular P365 and A P365 XL Without The Manual Safety.

I like the original 9c with apex trigger and the 365. The sig is a bit more accurate but brings a healthy price over the smith

I’ve shot both, they are great guns. But I bought the XL.

Got the Performance Center last your but this new model is nicer.

Shield plus wins hands down in my opinion. Owned both and it's not even close, maybe if you hands are the size of a toddler's the sig would be preferable. Shield also has an amazing trigger

Oh one more thing. KAHR needs to come out with a higher capacity holding gun..

The only thing that is better on the Smith is the stainless magazines l will give you that the Sig P365 is smaller and if it wasn't for the Sig P365 there more than likely wouldn't be a Shield plus l like my Sig P365 l bought a second one for my wife hers has a gray guns grip module called fish scales both have 2 12 round magazines for them haven't shot or tried the Ruger Max or Shield plus but my Sig P365 is the absolute most accurate micro compact I've ever owned and at 499 dollars each both so far have been flawless sold my regular shield to get the first Sig P365 I've had the first Sig P365 3 years and the second one just over 2 years now was shooting them twice a month 150-200 rounds per range visit before this ammo bullshit started a year ago both P365s l have have yet to malfunction firer chamber or eject one has over 700 rounds the second one has 300 rounds through it using decent brass 115 gain federal white box FMJ and some Super Vel 90 grain +p JHP that is used for concealed carry this Super Vel ammo is like a baby 357 Sig round or like a 380 magnum it goes 1400+ feet per second out of a 3 inch barrel over 1500 out of a 4 inch barrel over 1550 out of 4.5-6 inch barrel and 1690+ out of a 16 inch carbine rifle used this round in my kel tec sub 2000 rifle on a 75 pound hog at 50-60 yards for a 9mm bullet of only 90 grains it was amazingly effective but it's no 10mm

Felt both guns at the gun shop. I 100% agree with you on the grip feeling better on the m&p. Ended up purchasing the shield plus bug out Edition.

You didn't mention that the sig comes with much better sights than the Smith don't get me wrong I love them both but I also shoot my 365 better than my shield Plus. And I think it has a lot to do with those awesome sights that it comes with.

Good video of your opinions. But I know of no one that has to release a mag in a rush unless you're fighting a army. The average gun fight is 3 shots. And if you are in that situation you could be squeezing a mushroom. In the excitement those trigger issues are nonsense. And finally I have huge hands. My opinion I hate that skinny thin shield. Great points in the video but in reality anything works

Another reason you shouldn’t 12 plus one in the flush fit mags vs 10 and 15 rounders are available. It’s not optics ready, doesn’t come with night sights, you can change the Sigs grip module. No doubt the Shield is amazing but grass ain’t always greener

I actually like the sig trigger, it just feels like a smooth pull all the way through. Don’t know why people shit on it so much

The shield plus is about as small a 9mm as I can shoot comfortably. The P365 is just too damn small and it wants to move around in my hand when is shoot it even when gripped tightly. No such problems with the shield plus or any other shield. The p365 wasn’t as accurate for me, thanks again to the fact that the grip felt weird in my hands....the shields always lock in to my hand and shoot to point. The plus is everything great about the shield magnified. Comfortable, concealable (I carry it with the 13rd mag and it still pretty much vanishes under a shirt,and the fact that they toned down the grip texture means no more catching on/shredding my shirts all to hell like the 2.0 m&ps do) shootable, and so far, reliable. I like that, instead of comming out with an all new design and beta testing it on consumers like sig did, S&W built the plus on a time tested, reliable platform that people knew and loved and that had already been perfected.

1. The SIG grip feels perfect in my hand. There is nothing more comfortable about the Smith. 2. Wow - serious dexterity problems there? NO trouble dropping a mag out of my P365. 3. Personal preference - I’ve never felt a Smith trigger (on a Shield) that I liked. They feel spongy as hell to me… The SIG trigger “rolls”, which is exactly what I want in a defensive/carry gun. We’re not doing target practice with these things. (Or, if you are, your priorities are out of whack…) How does trigger width have anything to do with it being flat? I bet a KAHR trigger drives you up a wall, doesn’t it.

I've owned a number of Shields ( not the plus) They have always been good guns. I purchased a p365 and then a p365 SAS. I wanted the best concealed carry and the 365 is the best. The new shield+ is a nice gun and I have nothing against it but when it comes to a gun that you can stick in your pocket in 9mm with plenty of rounds the 365 is number 1..plus with the 365 SAS there is nothing at all on the gun to get caught on your clothes

Versatility of the sig is unmatched. The sig has a good trigger 👍

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I have both and the 365XL is by far the better firearm for Concealed carry.