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I’ll tell you why most people don’t buy Harley Davidson is Money,Money, Money, they have priced me out of the game

Harley Davidson is to blame for pricing. Their entry level 883 costs 14800 USD in India. Majority of people are buying Triumphs and Royal Enfield. They need to get their pricing right.

Just bought a 07 Dyna Street Bob. Went to several HD dealerships and only one dealer was truly honest about their breakdown of prices and even took some charges off to try to make a deal. Went with a private seller instead and he knew his stuff. Forget buying from a dealer! They will gouge you!

Whole lot of jibber-jabber for a simple solution. Harley motorcycles are way overpriced simple as that wake up people. They like to call it everything but what it is

As the owner of two 1979 Harleys, I am amazed at all of these Harley videos on KZfaq. Most seem to really complicate things, it's really not that hard. I don't ride much, but I really enjoy riding my two bikes. I don't care about image, other people's opinions, or making some type of statement. Harleys aren't for everyone, so if, for whatever reason(s) you don't like them find a bike you like and buy it instead.

I'm 28, been riding for only 10 years, and only 600cc sportbikes. I recently got married and we decided to get a touring bike. HD is just way, waaay of the table for a regular 30s millenial here in Mexico. You only see 50+ old couples on them here because a road glide cost the same as a small house in some places!

Harleys biggest problem is their price. They are considered recreational vehicles so unless a young person has good credit they will get higher interest rates making their payments higher. The way the world is going towards a recession it will make it more difficult for younger people to want to ride let alone get a Harley. Another issues is the way kids are being raised to by little wimps so they feel it’s too dangerous to ride a motorcycle and will never understand what the wind in the face feels like and how much of a stress reliever it is

My final comment on this discussion. If you want an inexpensive Harley. The used market is loaded with 883 and 1200 Sportsters that have been well cared for and loaded with options you wont have to pay for cause they are already on the bike. Just stay away from the 4 speeds. You want 5 speed belt drive Sportys. Thats 94 and up I believe. Fuel injection came in 07 on Sporsters. Big twin 90s evos and early twin cams can be had for 4500 to 10,000 in very well maintained condition. You dont need to buy brand new if you really want an HD. Not to mention the very goid metric cruisers out there. KAW Vulcan Classic. Suzuki Boulevard, Yamaha Roadstar, Ducati Scrambler are alternate choices for similar bikes. Amen

Gouging customers for parts might have something to do with it.

I'm seeing less and less people ride motorcycles. There was a time there was 3 people around my neighborhood had a bike including me. Bikes rumbling all day, night, everyday. Now. Nothing. Traffic is horrible, too many cars, constant road construction, quiet area are torn down and houses, office buildings, warehouses, popping up everywhere, people on their phone, . No fun.

Harley’s are way overpriced for what you get off the showroom floor. Sure, HD has huge aftermarket support. But I shouldn’t have to buy a bike at 30K, then have to pour an additional 5K-10K just to make the bike what it should have been to begin with.

It's not just Harley. All of the manufacturers are searching for the new Honda 350/750. The kids aren't interested in things their parents liked. Pro sports. Hobbies. Hunting and fishing. They just play with their phones and queue up at the apple store for the latest iPhone.

Was gonna get a Harley after getting my license only getting a house came first. I went to the dealer to do my research on all the bikes and what would suit me best. Long story short, I ultimately left because the salesmen kept trying to force a sale, and when I said I was in the mortgage process and can't take a line of credit out on a bike they told me not to believe my mortgage agent.... I called them out on how scummy that was since it could ruin a sale especially if someone didn't know better. Was told I'm not a real Harley guy anyways if I wasn't gonna buy then and there and to get a Honda instead. I said "yeah, maybe I should." And then I walked off. Months later after getting my house and renovating a bit I got an Indian Scout Bobber. Since then, got an Indian Chief Bobber Dark Horse. In my case I'd have bought a Harley if they didn't try to financially screw me and lie to my face about it and then get all offended when I called them out. I'm sure not every dealer is like that, but in my case it was pretty toxic. I'd love to get a Harley maybe one day but not from that dealership lol

I have been riding almost all types of bikes in 35 years. I am 57 now. I saved 28K, drips and drops over the years to buy myself a good touring bike and keep it for many years. That was 2020 when I started to shop around. I have to say, I could not see myself spending all that money on any HD. These bikes never gave me a good taste other then a loud pipes. They seem poor to me on design, class of quality, reliably and after sell, service and customer support. The only thing I do like from HD is the quality of the riding gear. So, I went with 2020 Goldwing DCT Tour. Boy, do I not regret that!!!! The best machine I have ever owned, hands down !!!! The more I ride her, the more I love her.

I would like a Harley. I just can't afford one. Harley made a huge mistake overpricing the base model bikes like the sportsters. Now they are stopping production of the sportsters. So nothing available for beginner riders? OK. Sounds like a huge marketing mistake to me. They basically removed Harley from a large part of the motorcycle market.

Harley's reputation for unreliability does not come from hot rodded aftermarket customers motors. Stock Harley-Davidson straight from the factory have a list of factory built-in defects from using cheap parts that cause catastrophic engine failure left right and Center. You're being dishonest in this respect. New big twin Harleys drain oil from areas like to transmission until your transmission blows up. Or the automatic primary chain makes the primary change so tight IT destroys the bearings in the transmission. Never mind the mistake of continuing to use a cam chain instead of Gears like an Evolution motor which lasts forever. Fuel injection that runs leanness to pass emission test that result in the engines cooking themselves to death at temperatures of over 300 degrees stock. Keep stamped crankshafts that have lots of play in the crankcase. Oil pumps that are not up to the task of dealing with such humongous Motors. Your oil pump fails no oil your motor dies. No question. These motors are straight from the factory these are the same things like when they brought out the cam chain driven twin cams and they went through three types of change and four types of tensioners instead of going back to a Gear Drive which is more expensive they tried like hell to keep a cheap message of driving the valves. Most people who have a twin cam put in a gear driven camshaft and get rid of all of that garbage. My 1970s Airhead BMW cam chain in the engine was original and that bike at 500,000 miles on it until we went through the side of a car. My gear Drive Evolution Sportster has 400,000 miles on it my CX500 with its chain driven cam died at 250,000 miles because the chain snapped and tore through the engine. Dish common reliability engine problems have been known for over 20 years. Harley said that they ran the twin cam engines for a million miles and had no problems. I guess they made a million bikes and ran them all a mile right? I could go on and on but I think you get the message. AMF had a lot of employee sabotage during the 1970s just as General Motors had with their employees and BSA had with theirs. Dealers would open the primary case on a Harley and there would be a note inside saying I get paid $4 an hour to fuck shit up. Or haha no second gear. It was up to the dealers to make it right. Harley-Davidson in 1969 was making motorcycles like it was 1930 everything was worn out and the workforce was all on the verge of retirement. AMF spent 7 to 10 million on the new engine plant to facilitate production and increase the number of Harley's available to people. Harley dealers during the AMF days where Mom and Pop shops. AMF had little commuter bikes dirt bikes that were made in Italy. They're only American made bikes for the Sportster and the big twin. If it was not for AMF we would not have Harley-Davidson today no if no and no butts AMF saved Harley-Davidson from Extinction and the family in court told the judge they wanted AMF to get Harley-Davidson. Because of AMF they survived. Let's not forget in the seventies the British motorcycle industry once the greatest in the world was run into the ground by incompetent management and a hostile Workforce. They shot themselves into in their foot until they lost their jobs and their livelihoods completely. Pushing both the big twin and the Sportster to get higher and higher levels of power out of an older designed motor that was not designed to put out that size of power cause them to have problems because they were push too hard. The problems of the Shovelhead big Twins were alleviated by The Evolution Big twin which was the best motor in modern history that Harley ever built in reliability everything else that there is an motorcycle. As for the Sportster the alloy heads and cylinders cooled the bike eventually from the 350° of the Ironhead Sportster down to a more reasonable temperature as well as reducing weight the transmission was updated to a 5-speed and then a belt drive and a belt drive was incorporated which moved out the power delivery to the back wheel. Those two bikes made Harley's Fortune and they sold them as fast as they could build them. Now it seems as the prices have gone up the reliability has gone down. The desirability of a Harley is not what it used to be but they still have enough Rich old people to buy 100,000 something motorcycles a year. Their new adventure bikes as well as their hideous liquid cooled monstrosity that they have the audacity to call a Sportster will sink like stones. It will be an unhappy ending to a bad chapter in company history one I do not see it surviving.

I’ve had multiple Harley’s now and I’m starting to lean towards Indian now. Aftermarket parts are starting to be a lot more readily available and the bikes last and cost less. To each their own

You forgot to mention the South Park episode ridiculing Harley-Davidson riders. That influenced and ruined an entire generation of potential customers.

I tried to buy a Sportster S last year no dealers had them on the floor and if they did it was already sold. If you want a $25k bagger there's 25-35 of those to choose from. Not to mention the mark up the dealers are allowed to do with a motorcycle that was/is in high demand. After being jerked around by practically every HD dealership I gave up. I went to a metric dealer in my area they were willing to negotiate and didn't try to get me to finance the bike. If fact they seemed pleased I was paying cash/certified check I paid $300 fees all in. An HD dealership in Port Charlotte Florida got pissy that I wanted to pay cash, plus 1k over msrp plus freight plus prep and on and on it went. After buying two Harley Davidsons brand new from two different dealerships I think I'm done with them. Unless they change which I don't see until they are close to bankruptcy. It happened before it can happen again. Hopefully the government won't bail them out the next time.

Because they are over priced , over weight , underpowered , dont do corners and are crap .. its that simple

I was born in 2000, I've been riding on 2 wheels since I was 12. Got my 1st harley last year and have loved it! I bought it private sale because of how bad the dealer was screwing me around with high prices and STILL trying to charge extra fees

The only problem/issue here in Australia is the price. For example, a Fatboy ride away standard is $38'000. Then add pipes/stages, seat, grips etc etc etc and you're up for a small fortune. Remember, this is a motorbike not a Rolls Royce.

This article is ridiculous and not in touch with reality. What a load of crap.

I've been a Honda and Kawasaki muscle cruiser rider since '98. Most of my friends, all who ride Harley's, encouraged me to start on Metrics and get my crashes and experience on cheaper bikes and then move up to Harley. I started around 40 and figured I'd eventually move up to a new HD. Now, at 63, Harley has priced itself out of my range, many of the guys I rode, all lifelong, die hards, with have moved on to Gold Wings, BMW's, and Indians as a way to protest HD's direction, lack of tech, and reliability. Its wierd, I have seen most all metric riders (in FB groups) strive to eventually get on an HD because it really is the goal, and they do attain it, but at the same time I know personally many who have done the opposite. I guess I'll be happy with my metrics and remain debt free in my retirement, and leave HD to those who can afford them.

My Evolution Sportster with a Belk Drive has saved me thousands of dollars in Chains and sprockets and chain lube considering I have 400,000 miles on my Sportster. Now I have gone through three belts but changing a belt on a Sportster is not the nightmare it is changing it on a big twin. The valve train on the Sportster is hydraulically adjusted so you do not have to bother with it at all another Plus. It is very simple to drain the oil tank and change the oil filter which I can do in 20 minutes. In my driveway. Not going to a shop and certainly not going to a quack mechanic that is an insult to all the aftermarket shops out there that work on all the bikes that Harley won't touch. I've gotten much better service on my Sportster when it's needed by my aftermarket shop that buy the dealer. I would never take my Harley back to a dealer again. They screwed up my bike once and I will not give them a second chance. They're so called mechanics are not worth what's they are paid. Belt drive motorcycle is much more economical than a chain driven one and when a belt breaks it does not go through your engine cases like a chain does. So you don't have to adjust the valves you don't have to adjust the chain you don't have to just the timing or the points because there aren't any points the carburetor is good for life so all you have to do is change the oil and the filter. And if you can I change the oil and the filter on your motorcycle you should not ride a motorcycle you should take the bus. Like your previous comment you're calling me aftermarket mechanics Quacks is uncalled for. Insult to them. Some of your presentation is highly suspect.

When I was looking for my first bike six years ago, I was initially leaning towards Triumph. I'd seen The World's Fastest Indian as a teenager so after discovering the Indian Scout was in production again, I got a Scout Sixty instead. I know it isn't the OG company or model, but the brand appealed to that fondness for something fresh that isn't hypermodern. In my mind, people get Harleys because they want Harleys. They don't typically go to a multi brand dealership and search high and low before setting their sights on a Harley. There's nothing wrong with that, I'm just not one of those people. When I purchase my next bike, it'll be something that fills a different niche than my Scout, might even consider a scooter if I have a short enough commute by then. Although I didn't begin riding until after college, I hope to ride many years to come on many different bikes.

Price is too high and the quality too low, they are unreliable, the maintenance costs are way too high. Insurance is insane. The customer service sucks.

People will buy Harley when pricing is not crazy and sales people aren't assholes at the dealership

I have had many different motorcycles. Never had a Harley. Currently since I’m getting older I ride a Yamaha TW200. It’s slow and lite but fun to ride.

What’s annoying about Harley is they don’t listen to us. They dont make brakes better bikes lighter and they all look like old man bikes. You have to take that 20k bike and sink 5 k more to make it bad ass.

For me personally, Harley Financing is extremely predatory. Especially for younger people like myself who don't have excellent credit.

I have noticed that many young guys who have a Japanese rice rocket also have a classic bike that they feel comfortable about tinkering around with and riding compared to their sport bike. I once got a knock on my door and there were two young kids who wrote Jap bikes who had to stop and tell me how sick my BMW was. That was a compliment by the way. One of the kids was riding a Kawasaki Vulcan and I picked up a Kawasaki Vulcan sign at some swapmeet so I gave it to him and he was happy about that.

Sturges - “For the last several years it’s kind of been winding down. I've been around for 23 years, so I've seen when it was low, and then there was the 75th anniversary, which was unbelievable,” Nancy Gellerman, the owner of Sage Creek Grille in Custer, told Forum News Service. “And now the crowd is just so much older. Which, after so many years, I guess they get older. Since 2016 they were saying that the younger crowd was coming, but I didn't really see that. I'm worried that without an influx of new riders the whole thing will just wind down.”

If Harley continues going the way they are going… they’ll soon be history……..

I bought a Harley Davidson ONCE! That experience convinced me that I will NEVER buy another one! I would rather RIDE my motorcycle than have to WORK on it before and after EVERY ride! Therefore, I buy Honda's & Yamaha's, because I don't have to WORK on them! All I have to do, is put the key in the ignition, start it up and RIDE! I do the occasional Required Maintenance (change the oil, new tires, etc.) and I enjoy lots of RIDING with minimal WORK! I'm a firm believer in "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!" Harley Davidson fooled me once! They will NEVER fool me again!

Pricing is insane, I will see what comes in '23 with the projected dropping of the 107 baggers. I have been thinking of replacing the '09 FLHTCUSE4 with a M8/107 Road King. Was informed it will not be available. Not quite ready to jump on the Indian train. (Challenger has some potential) Aftermarket support is very limited. One Area where HD shines. I can take a RK107 and 3.5g of upgrades and have a 130hp/150tq barn burner, and still have $500 in my pocket as opposed to a new RKS, which is a smog choked.

I’ve ridden with numerous organizations, MC’s and RC’s, even being a Road Captain for an RC in Florida and hands down the HD’s broke down 10 to 1 comparatively. And this went for those maintained by self proclaimed mechanics and those owned by “posers” who wouldn’t even consider getting their chrome wet much less go anywhere else but the HD dealer for maintenance/repair. Kids think metal slides, merry-go-rounds and playing outside are dangerous so motorcycles aren’t even a consideration. Not their fault, just what happens when men and boys are feminized…

I don't buy motorcycles from tee shirt shops

You are 50 years behind in your remarks. Any Harley Evolution sportster or Big twin IS Reliable. Problems arise when they are. Hot roded. They are easy to maintain as long as the owner stays away from the factory computers. They handle we'll because they use the same suspension parts as most bikes. The new models have had problems. They are too complicated , too big and too expensive. Harley Davidson should do what they do best, and not try to make a better Indian,

Four years ago I traded my 30 year old HD which I bought new, for the latest generation M8 engine Harley. I don't seem to experience any more issues than other brands that I owned alongside the three Harley's I owned in the last 45 years. My 2005 BMW K1200S that I bought new and still own is just as big of a pain as any other motorcycle that I have owned. Approximately 9 bikes in over 52 years. What's your problem?

Now let me get this straight Chinese make an evolution Sportster that they can't call a Sportster yet Harley Davidson makes a motorcycle that's not a Sportster but they call it a Sportster. Riddle Me That Batman.

I had a Honda CX500 while I was in the Air Force and I had that by ten years and 250,000 MI before the campaign broke and destroyed the engine but by then the rest of the bike was worn out anyway

I am 59 and have owned dozens of bikes. I can't justify the cost of a harley nowadays, especially when they have parts manufactured all around the world , like every other motorcycle co. , my next new bike will be a Indian or kawasaki Vulcan voyager

If you can't afford it, move on to the next brand. No need to say negative about it. Save up or get a different brand you can afford.

Wow you guy's totally missed the mark and still full of BAD Information, i started working at harley dealers in 1973 just a few years into the AMF years, and the AMF Harleys were Great Bikes, in fact my 1st Big Twin was a 77 FXS Lowrider and i had that bike until 1992 when i traded it for an FXR and i had ZERO trouble with my Shovelhead, it was 1978 and 79 and part of 80 where there was problems, believed by many to have been caused by Labor Problems with the Union and Employees sabotaging the bikes. Harley's biggest problem is after the EVO Era they started to think they could do nothing wrong because Boomers Like Me were just coming into our Money making days in the 90's and the 2000s with the Early Twin Cams, and Harley started demanding Dealers Build these big palaces dealerships that the family owners could no longer afford when the 2009 recession hit and sales took a dump, and in came the Car Dealer Group Owners , who didn't think there was a down turn and kept right on jacking the bikes $3000 to $5000 over MSRP, and $1500 to $2500 in Extra Fee's on used bikes, and they are still doing it today, but now there are Independent Motorcycle Dealers Specializing in Used Harleys and selling for $1000s less than the HD Dealerships without the Tacked on extra fee's. Then Polaris Brought Back Indian and the Scout and the Base Model chiefs and the Challenger are FAR Better than anything Harley has, and the Metric remain full generations ahead of Harley or Indian and you can buy a metric bike for MSRP or LESS !! Now in your story you start listling things that go bad, i have owned over a dozen Harleys and i have NEVER replaced a clutch, unless i was upgrading to a performance clutch to match an engine modification i may have made, and Harley Gaskets Don't leak if you follow the owner's manual for start up, the riders who do not warm their bikes properly and let all the different metals come to temp, they come and see me for leaking gaskets, i properly warm my bikes and have never blown a gasket , and my harley batteries last longer than most of my metric bike batteries and i keep all my bikes on tenders

Too expensive for me and too heavy for me to handle. HD needs to extend appeals to more market segments.

Ive owned 10 bikes, none Harleys, but this video is mostly a collection of negative assertions. It sounds like a local news report.

Adrenaline Harley in Sarasota, FLORIDA - took my bike in for electrical service at Adrenaline Harley Dealer - They took over Rossiters about 5 month ago. . . . .it streetglide with big stereo w/ amps. They told me $300 and would be back same day. 10 days later and $1000 they say its ready. They told me they found chaffed wire inside the handelbar & mandatory to replaced a throttle sensor which ran inside the handelbars . . . .then whne i showed up to pay them. . .Laster said no we did not replace sensor just cleane it and reprogrammed it but was same charge. + charge for programming it. SO i pick up bike at 5:45pm and pay my ridiculous / OUTRAGEOUS bill. I ride off the lot to the nearest gas station about 6 blocks away at corner. i shut bike off and then had to restart it and it blew starter fuse (which is why i took it in for service) bike wont start again. .. .. . of course they are closed at this time 6:15 or so .NOT COOL! - beware!it no exaggeration when they call it stealership ilo dealership. very unhappy. Dont go there it will be worse than you expect. criminal even. as the next day (Friday) - they send trailer over to get bike and about 1pm, service guy calls me back at 4:30 and say hey we fixed your bike it had a blown fuse. I tried to explain to them yes- this is why i took it too you. . .it about 10th time it has happen randomly. they then said - we are not interested in working on the bike - too many wires, beyond our control. come get your bike. SO i wasted 10 days of time and 1000 for them to do nothing. ughhhhhh lazy ass mechanics and terrible service.

Every time i took my harleys in for service at the harley dealership, they would destroy my engine on purpose so i would come back for more.

I don't know which gen I am, mid 30's just got my M license and wanted to buy a HD as first bike.... experienced riders warned me to start with a reliable and cheaper one...got a used Honda VTX for only 3 grand... the price, looks, performance and reliability can smoke any bike...

I blame it on all the parents that continuously wiped there kids hands down with alcohol wipes and let there kids sit in the basement and play video games till they are 30, not making them get a driver's license or a job.... Gen Y = "poor babies"

Here some reasons 1 same 3 same engines for all models. 2 no power (HP) 3 15-20 k for generic bikes that cost way too much in after market parts to customize

Its just because it’s way to expensive. They just don’t want to be in debt for decades.

I have had 5 Harley's since 1972 including an AMF era Sportster . I never had a single problem with one of them . I ride Indian now for one reason . I find them more comfortable . Harley's are still the best looking bikes . They are a bunch of money and I can't justify spending that much money for a bike . But you do get what you pay for

their recent practice of discontinuing top selling models doesn't help

Price. Price is the only reason you need.

M8 engines built, 2017 , 18, 19, with defective oil pumps causing motor sumping, overheating etc.

I’d love to have a Harley Davidson. I just can’t afford one. I’m not paying for 1940s technology at 2063 prices. I’ll go by an Italian Harley Davidson. A Moto Guzzi is much more affordable for the working man and woman.

Targeting old wealthy people only is a straight road to the grave. I’m 31, I love V-twin cruisers, but I don’t need motorcycle to deal with middle age crisis wearing like badass pirate. Moreover I don’t care about all that silly “hd culture” of selling gears for x3 price to make regular family guy feel “in the club” or like a gang member 😂. This is how HD marketing tries to sell bikes. So, less marketing BS, more good and different motorcycles for reasonable price.

When I went to Harley for a beginner bike, they wouldn't stop trying to upsell me a $40k bike. Honda got me on a leftover Rebel 500 for $4.9k. Harley looks down on their own Sportster as a bitch bike.

As a United States Marine combat veteran my opinion is that it needs to start at the leadership level the current leadership needs to be replaced in my opinion and it needs to be brought back to an American tradition and an American pride of riding a Harley Davidson motorcycle and not having to worry about all this money that is not even necessary at all you needs to be brought back traditional needs to be brought back to Old School and he's be brought back to the way it was when buying and being proud of your bike

More like $40,000.00 I wish it was $20,000.00

Been riding for a few years. I have a 2015 road glide I got second hand. It's at almost 61,000 miles....those are hard motorcycle club miles....so far I have had to replace the clutch (which is a wear item) got about 15k miles out of it than most. I had to replace the gasket on the rocker box because it was seeping oil. It cost $35, took me 2 hours to do and the kit came with new breathers which is also a wear item. Besides regular maintenance I don't wrench on it much. As far as price....yeah it's up there, it is comparable to Indian which offers more options for the money, but the fit and finish is lacking compared to a Harley Davidson. The reason you see Harleys break down more than the others has a lot to do with just how many there are and how long people hold on to them. It's nothing to see a 30 year old Harley going down the road. And if your old Evo does break, odds are the part you need is sitting on a shelf at the local dealership or multiple Indy shops near by. Good luck finding that with your 15 year old European motorcycle. With all that said, I don't care what someone rides. I care that they ride. Also my next bike will be an Indian Challenger dark horse, they are fast AF for a touring bagger.

Who says you have to buy a new one? The used market is saturated with them. I sold two for more than I paid. They don’t depreciate and sometimes appreciate.

Nothing for beginners- so brand engagement doesn't evolve, hard to get new customers, old getting older .....price way to high

People have been predicting the demise of Harley Davidson every year since they built their first motorcycle in 1903. This is just like all the others. And guess what? In 25 years we are still going to see the same stuff. New riders don't want Harley, Harleys sales are down, etc. And guess what? Harley will still be here. You can argue this all you want, but you'll just be joining the the others who, over the last 119 years, have argued the same thing.

I’ve had 2 Harley’s over 7 years and 40000 mikes. They have never not started. Even once.

I've owned a 95 sporty since 08 it has well over 100000 miles and it runs great to this day...I take care of it's maintenance and ride it to it's potential it's been reliable as a BMW I owned for 20 some odd years... pretty much brakes tires and oil changes ..so take care of your ride and it will take care of you...

I don't need a luxury motorcycle to get me to and from work ,I already have a decent hard working motorcycle that doesn't remind me everyday that it's slowly draining my bank account ,plus the vmax never goes out of style and nobody criticizes my power Ranger outfit on it.

Who ever thought we wouldn't have enough wanna be badass bikers?

LOVE Harleys... always have. I have also NEVER had one. I've never been able to afford one, ... and Im almost 60. I've even toured the plant in Pennsylvania, twice. I have owned Yamahas, Hondas, Kawasakis, two Chinese bikes, and my latest is a Trumph.

My harley breakout blew up 3 times, the 4th time it was about to blow i traded it in for a 2022 Hayabusa Gen 3.

Look folks are struggling and a bike is a toy. HD are ditching their lower price bike. $10k is a heap of $$$ so they might go for a used bike and save thousands.

I think myself is pretty bad when you got all of these older guys old bikers that I grew up with can't ride anymore because I can't afford that expensive motorcycle and now every time I see a commercial a nice Harley-Davidson sitting there with a rap song going on play some Skynyrd some old 70s music or something excuse me but that's the way I feel

In my 60's now and I have owned almost every brand of bike throughout the years. I'm on my # 9 Harley cruiser now....what's the problem?

My 3 reasons for not buying another Harley: 1) Salesmen 2) Saleswomen 3) Price

A buddy of mine has a 2010 street glide. After what he told me in how much a seat cost vs a new front tire cost. My mouth dropped!! And he still has a motorcycle payment!!! Nope I'm good!! I'll stick to my 1996 Honda shadow 1100. That's still on the road that I only paid $1800.00 for. SMH.

Will admit metric cruisers might be the cheapest way to get into motorcycling. Even if you're not into cruisers, you can get a metric cruiser for very cheap and older one you can eat 883s all day. Maybe even 1200 like nothing in corner. Better stop better Rev. Higher last longer

Too expensive to purchase. Not reliable enough. Too expensive to maintain. I have an idea for HD. Don't build a $10k Rebel 1100 beater . Do build a $50k CVO.

The Vulcan is $7000 NEW; so there's more than just crotch rockets for young riders. Many crotch rocket owners eventually end up wanting a cruiser for comfort and more importantly for passenger comfort and safety. So to be more specific many of them want a cruiser with a sissy bar. Some riders will trade or sell their old bikes to get a cruiser, but many others will add a cruiser to their stable so they can have the best of both worlds.

I just got a low rider S and the issue is the Dealership's are ripping people off.. the seat was trash and wastrying to kill me, the auto clutch adjust was junk, the mirrors needed put out 3 inchs to see anything, the blinker bulb socket has issues I had to put tape to make up the slop, the foot controls were way wrong and needed adjusted to be useable, the front forks dive too much when breaking, the wind drag on a cruzer is Ridiculous and it Didn't come with a windshield ect...

I went into the local Harley shop one time and they were playing 1940s World War II music. I told the salesman if this was 1940 I would buy one of everything on the showroom floor. Now I don't want to buy crap. Not nothing. Thank God for S&S Motors. You could buy a great motor put a belt drive on it pick your transmission with kicker put it in the frame you want put the sheet metal that you want on it the carburetor you want everything as you want it with no cow telling to government regulations whatsoever. You can build a big twin cheaper than Harley. Without any government mandated pollution safety whatever controls. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on two wheels. No more no less.

Harley is the show Bike. Most expensive bike. High cost for maintenance. Too much heat coming from the engine. I like the sound of the harley

love it and have been saying this for the past few years since i've started riding that their pricing is one of their major issues. lets not even get into how the one bike that had and somewhat still has people wanting to see (Bronx) but yet HD won't release it for some reason. Then its apparent HD doesn't even want to have a sub 10K priced bike to make sure they make as much profit as possible. Take for example of the Sportster S for this year throughout last year at their demo rides priced at 14k with certain options but yet once they released the bike for this year its now 16k without the same options as demo'd for 14k. HD I feel does have issues that are coming to a head.. kinda shocking that their handling of parts wasn't on the top 3 list. Should say the lack of parts being I know so many people currently waiting for months now on parts just so they can ride their bike and keep their warranty intact.

So all dealerships change a lot for service no matter what brand and almost every bike will have clutch problems if used hard or wrong with any brand

It strikes me (a Brit) as weird that Triumph can put out their retro, old school, nostalgia bikes but also state of the art dream machines, and sell them at a price not that's much more expensive than a Japanese bike. So can BMW and even Ducati. HD on the other hand are struggling to do the same. They're bringing in more modern bikes but they're still getting hammered (in Britain) in all categories. It's especially bad with bikes to entice younger riders, Ducati have the Scrambler range, Triumph the Trident and the big 4 have their middle weight 700 to 800cc twins. Harley meanwhile have what is clearly a Sportster S with all the cool bits removed. The Nightster looks cheep, but is probably the most expensive bike aimed at new riders currently on sale.

Hmm.. 1. Price of new bikes is just too high. The cheapest ones start at around 15k EUR, and that without any accessories. Hmm, my 2009 Suzuki VL800 cost me 8k tops - including huge 22l saddle bags, 65l back-case and its holder, co-rider back-rest, front bike-fall-protectors and a tank leather cover with a mini-bag (for e.g. a pack cigarettes). And it looked awesome. Sorry HD fanboys - I'd rather have 2 VL800s, than one HD whatever - or an Indian whatever. 2. Not just accessories, but regular maintenance & even minor repairs costs are much higher than those for an equivalent Japanese bike. I could & did use a "no-name" dealership (best in west of SK, IMHO) and a complete check-up (including tires changed & liquids changed etc..) cost me a maximum of 350 EUR (250 were just tires) - and all was done perfectly in 2 hours, while I enjoyed a lunch and a coffee. Comparatively, HD would come at twice the price. Not just today, but even back then. 3. Last but not least - everyone else (with a preference for torque rather than speed) has to buy an HD now.. I don't really like the lack of choice and the uniformity it produces - reminds me of my youth, when my country was a communist one, when, in general, the only cars available here were Skoda and Lada ones. I blame the stupid emission norms of EU, produced by same-level stupid clerks running it.

Not to mention any Harley older than 10 years they wont do any service on at the dealer.

Like in the early 90's when Terminator 2 came out when Arnold Schwarzenegger planted his rear on a Harley Fatboy, and Harley Davidson's sales went through the roof because of it... I'm sure that if Hollywood would do the same kind of thing today by planting everyone's favorite current movie star on one of those bikes in a movie that would break the box office, they might see a sudden spike in sales again. Just like when Son's Of Anarchy hit the seen; everyone started buying Dynas and running them with a fairing an T-bars.

Harley's sound good though , but is it worth it? My Honda Gold Wing 2001 Canary yellow still amazes me on it's dependability and comfort and affordability, facts win arguments!

Harley wants too much for EVERYTHING. Harley isn't made in the USA. The parts are made everywhere but in the USA and "assembled" in the USA. Harley was an American motorcycle that was killed when Corporate sought profit over everything else. The Harley brand is dead, and I own one.

You know they whine and cry but they're selling $150,000 motorcycles a year roughly. Triumph would sell every motorcycle they can make and they can barely make a third of that. Bsa/ Triumph would have to run 24/7 7 days a week 365 days a year to match $150,000 motorcycle sales a year. Yet Harley overextended itself with all these monuments to how great it was. Yeah it was great and not anymore. Now all those white elephants are dragging down the bottom line. When they go bankrupt maybe the Chinese will buy their name and they can put it on the evolution Sportster that just come out with. I'll imagine after that they might come out with an evolution powered big twin touring bike. I wonder how many Harley riders with tattoos are going to get them removed afterwards?

They're called "independent", not "quack" mechanics. The narrator is reading from a script and probably is not a rider.

I'd never buy a new Harley simply for the fact that they are way over priced, not dependable and I never liked the image anyway.

Reasonable price for Harley Davidson is to high. You can get a brand new Japanese bike for under $10,000 that will smoke anything HD offers. Japanese bike is oil change and go.

I’ve been a HD owner since 1983, HD has never been a cheap motorcycle, I get tired of everybody whining about the price!..In 1983 a New Ford F150 2-wheel drive XLT was around $13,000 and a New HD Low Rider was around $6,000 or roughly half the price of a new Ford 2-wheel drive truck. Now in 2023 a new HD Low Rider is $22,000 and a new 2-wheel drive F-150 is around $45,000 basically the same as it was 40 years ago jus sayin

I love cruisers , choppers and generally this kind of bikes. i've riden most of the bikes on the market old and new.Ihave to say two things 1. harleys are great motorcycle but not the only great motorcycles in the market .To overpriced for what they offer.quality is not that different than a honda ,a suzuki , yamaha , triumph , 2.if you build your own bike , the truth is that going metric on an engine and parts will probably get you to a better build with a fraction of the cost. harleys are for a dying breed of people who deny to face the fact that bikers make the motorcycle not the other way around

Ya just can't ride a motorcycle and simultaneously stare at your cellphone to plan which protest to attend next. Harley's glory days are on the wane.

My 3 reasons for not buying another HD from a HD dealership. 1) Salesmen / sales pimps 2) Saleswomen / sales madams 3) Price