3 Reasons Why You Should Use SDCs (Small Diaphragm Condensers)

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What are some good uses for small diaphragm condenser microphones in the recording studio? I've been doing some recording and some testing with a pair of Soyuz SU-013 and I have three cool benefits to using SDCs in the recording studio.
It's easy to overlook the small diaphragm condenser microphone when reaching for a microphone in your studio mic locker. Large diaphragm microphones are visually impressive, and it would seem that they can capture a "Better" sound because of the size of the body (And contained electronics, and transformer) or capsule.
While the size of the capsule will actually help the microphone capture acoustic sound in a room (And this does indeed give LDCs less noise), the small diaphragm mic is ideal for many applications because of it's small size.
For starters, they are able to capture a sound in a very natural way. They are the top mic of choice when you need a true-to-life sound. This can be important for orchestral recordings, acoustic instrument recordings, drum overheads, and even toms as long as your SDC has a pad by at least 10dB. The AKG C414 is a very common tom mic in recording studios, as it is a very flat mic with high SPL abilities. Compare this to the snare drum, where an sm57 is commonplace.
Secondly, the small diaphragm condenser microphone is great a capturing fast transients, or the attack of sounds such as drums or acoustic picking. You will first notice how quick a mic is by how much detail is able to be heard at the attack of most sounds, and it doesn't mean the sound is a "Bright" sound either. Ribbon mics are also a fast microphone. For fast transient sounds such as acoustic guitar and drum overheads, SDC and ribbons are your best bet.
SDC mics also have the advantage of great top end. If you need that kind of top then, then great. - You can let the mic do the "Boosting" and avoid using EQ to make those boosts. EQ can often sound pretty poor when making boosts, and the high frequencies are an area that I try to avoid adjusting with EQ. SDC mics will let you get clear top end with the phase artifacts of EQ.
Thirdly is the small diaphragm condenser off-axis coloration. This means that the sounds coming in from the sides won't sound bad.
This is because the cardioid polar pattern (If it's cardioid) will remain very true across most frequencies. Sounds from the front will sound very close to the result if the mic was angled slightly.
This is great for rejection of sounds, as the cardioid polar pattern has a null at the back of the mic, and we can reject sounds in a room we don't want to record.
We can also have smoother and more pleasing sounding bleed from cymbals if we used SDC mics on toms.
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@TheColebyArnett 7 жыл бұрын

Man, every time I click a video I feel like Im getting a seriously good real world education. Off to find a new pair of SDCs. You are the best!

@TheEvral 7 жыл бұрын

Check out Aston Starlight(s)!

@underpressureman 7 жыл бұрын

also check out the se's!

@billlord4203 7 жыл бұрын

James, I am itching to get my hands on a pair of the new sE 8 sdc mics :-)

@russwilson2305 6 жыл бұрын

Milab LSR 1000. Killer for everything from live vox to clean to somewhat crunchy guitar cabs, overheads...

@andrewnibbi 5 жыл бұрын

Aston Starlights are amazing; the sE8 is also a great option

@andreedipo6356 7 жыл бұрын

I was in a recording session with drums, other instruments (on DIs) and a trombone and we recorded the trombone with a SDC and it worked really well. We tried large diaphragms condenser and dynamic mics and the SDC worked better. Never had seen or tried brass recorded with SDCs. Maybe it had too much attack sometimes, but we smoothed it out with a compressor, and the arrangements were really mellow. It worked. I've been trying SDCs on everything now. Thank for another great video.

@GamalielRios 5 жыл бұрын

3:55 THAT blew my mind. A very usable tom sound. The bleed #1 sounds great and #2 it doesn't bother. This may be a good go-to...!!!

@markandrewhoran 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I've worked a lot with small condenser mics in my own home studio and I still learned a little something watching your video. Thank you!

@stuartbradley2692 7 жыл бұрын

I used mine as part of a Mid-Side set-up to record a bass cab. As you said, a very natural sound but in this case it was useful to be able to widen the recorded sound equally naturally. Tnx for another great video.

@G60syncro 7 жыл бұрын

We just recorded a whole album last week and I was out of 57's or whatever for the toms... All I had was a set of inexpensive Samson condensers and put those on the toms.. I did a Glynn Johns as a general mic'ing and used the close mics to add some punch where needed.. And yes! did they sound nice!!! I was getting a lot of overtones because it's a massive and very resonant kit, so I used a soft gating on it just to keep the mud out and MAAAANN! that tone!!! So glad to hear it validated here!!!

@carterengele849 6 жыл бұрын

thats awesome!! were they samson C02's? i used some the other day on toms and i was so happy with the sounds i was getting!

@willgaines5269 7 жыл бұрын

I've always strongly opposed the idea of putting condensers on toms solely for my preconceived notion that cymbal bleed will be worse because they're more sensitive than dynamic mics. However, you've made me have a change of heart today, Ryan! I can't believe how smooth and controlled that bleed is!

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks Will! I was really surprised myself at this. I learn a lot from doing these audio tests and really liked that bleed and the tom sound.

@SheldonKreger 5 жыл бұрын

I typically gate my tom mics, but maybe I'll try using an SDC and see how it goes without the gate. Lots of fun to have with these!

@7xchad 5 жыл бұрын

Recently used a pair of SDCs as drum overheads and got a great sound. Mix was very quick and easy because it didn't need very much done to it.

@truecuckoo 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video mate. I was youtubing for Soyuz microphone demos, and ended up getting educated like this. Sweet! Thanks!

@GL-uy3fd 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, cuckoo! ftcsh

@eweber12 6 жыл бұрын

I’m learning so much from you my head might explode! Thanks, man. I’m gonna try the SDC’s in different ways tomorrow!

@ivannio4783 4 жыл бұрын

Super sounds here! The guitar in the start and your drumming too. Tnx!

@Ricochetmex 7 жыл бұрын

Great video! I had never heard of those benefits of a SDC, definitly I'll use them

@nickynockyknackynoo2346 7 жыл бұрын

Excellent video and I was surprised it clearly showed off your points. Thanks

@tonywinkler9230 7 жыл бұрын

WOW, this was a revelation. Has anyone used SDCs with the (Oh no, not again) Glynn Johns technique? Thanks Ryan, awesome video. The insights into tone and rejection are amazing. I'd better start saving up some cash...

@BessetteMusicRepair 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really neglected the idea of small diaphragms for a long time but I’ll consider them next recording!

@jerryk3280 6 жыл бұрын

Nice sounds and nice mics!

@OlaOnabule_official 6 жыл бұрын

Sir, you have a gift for conveying very useful information in the most natural way. Thank you.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ola!

@RobFlaxMusic 7 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! This is super helpful. I just used my SDC tonight on vocals-for kicks, as a mic shootout with an LDC - and it was surprisingly good (the two together: also surprisingly good!).

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

NIce, yeah sometimes the transients are just too fast for drums, but for toms I really liked it. I'm sure SDCs are something to remember and use when it's the sound you want. Good to hear your trying stuff, that's the only way to max your gear.

@allmetaliswelcome 7 жыл бұрын

Dangit Ryan you always manage to shift my viewpoint... That tom application sounds amazing. I remember seeing a video where Simon Philips has SDC's on every single one of his 937 toms and rolling my eyes. Gonna try this sometime if i manage to convince my fellow engineers not to get the same reaction.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks man! The toms really do sound amazing. I was really impressed for sure.

@PaulDuttonmusic 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Just got an SE Electronics SE8 pair. Definitely something I've been missing.

@monkeyxx 5 жыл бұрын

Hey ryan, hope you've been well. This was a wonderful video, I feel like you nailed it. I have a few SDC here that I love for exactly the same reasons that you have demonstrated. It would be fun to compare the Soyuz with the Oktava MK 012 but that's just me being greedy, haha. I just got some Oktavas here, and my standard drum overhead for many years is the KSM137 from Shure. Some things just don't need to be messed with.

@jahmark9336 6 жыл бұрын

Hi man thanks for great vid Yesterday I ordered an Aston Starlight can’t wait!

@jahmark9336 6 жыл бұрын

Peace and love from Bristol, England

@bulletproofzest 4 жыл бұрын

I am glad I'm not the only one who loves condensers, and small diaphragm ones in particular, on toms. I love my 421s, but on stuff like kick, bass guitar, and snare. I really don't like them much on toms because the off axis bleed sounds pretty awful to my ears. I always end up having to go in and strip silence them. I just ordered some of these Soyuz 013s, can't wait to put them to good use on my session this weekend.

@ChadAnthonyTheReaper 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for that demo. I'm buying 4 of those soyuz mics for all of my toms.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

Nice, I just used those this past week and they were amazing on toms. First try on position too.

@regalbeaglestudios 7 жыл бұрын

Wow, really impressed on the sound of those toms!! I will have to commandeer my overhead mics and use something else for them...any overhead alternatives? lol

@dominicspier6917 6 жыл бұрын

2:47 that groove tho... wish there was a whole song version of that

@bjaminbjamin 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Love your educated insight and the licks coming out of this video! Small diaphragm mics have been on my hit list for while..mostly for acoustic classical guitar. What are your thoughts on the Antelope Audio small diaphragm modelling mics?

@OnlineMD 4 жыл бұрын

I can vouch for this. I have an AKG C1000S that is 15 years old Sat in its case for 15 years because of a lot of feedback on stage. I rediscovered it two months ago to record vocals on to Cakewalk via a Mackie ProFX6V3 mixer. Far better than my Shure SM58...

@fenderguitar9204 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve been into your videos for a while now, I’ve got a great drum sound using a couple rode NT5’s in a Glyn Johns configuration. Thank you!

@creativesoundlab 5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Glyn Johns can be tough so if you made it work, then go with it.

@waltertomaszewski1083 5 жыл бұрын

The AKG C414 mics are LDCs. Try either a Sennheiser E914 cardioid, or a Neumann KM183 omni. The E914 has an open an airy top end that's never shrill. Try two in ORTF on drum overheads or piano. The Neumann KM183 has a nice presence and great depth. Use two in AB on a concert grand piano, or three in Decca Tree configuration on an orchestra. Both are very accurate and uncoloured. You will get stunningly beautiful sounds from these two mics in the right configurations.

@omarsharif927 7 жыл бұрын

So true love mine for acoustic guitar

@briandavidofficial 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful!

@sagecarter2368 5 жыл бұрын

I have 1 large diaphragm condenser and 1 small, the next time I get to record my drums I was thinking of experimenting with the Glyn Johns or Reverse Glyn Johns technique. Which mic do you think I should use on the side and which one on top? Thanks again for making super helpful videos

@AlexBallMusic 7 жыл бұрын

Great video. You know your stuff.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex, I learn as I go!

@hughwilson 4 жыл бұрын

Great video

@Itsallawesome 5 жыл бұрын

Will you review the Aston Starlight small diaphragms?

@ambroulard 5 жыл бұрын

Advice for best medium price SDC for recording Snare drum, ( classical) ? Thanks!

@em0jr 5 жыл бұрын

I'm a year and some change late for commenting, but this review/topic was awesome! Those toms sound great and the bleed is....smooth. I will not look over SDCs.

@administrator1037 5 жыл бұрын

What would be the best mic under $500 for picking up transient sound out of guitar amp vintage ?

@bobc3174 6 жыл бұрын

A superb video.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob!

@darrylweller6143 5 жыл бұрын

Would you use a Omni sdc?

@bluest1524 5 жыл бұрын

Does large diaphragm do a better job at capturing low frequency sounds, for example floor tom and some kick when you use large diaphragm condensers as overheads?

@robertsimpson5801 4 жыл бұрын

Ryan, so you have any experience with the Earthworks mics? I would love to grab a few of them, but it looks like they have a relatively high self noise... In either case, the recordings I hear online of acoustic instruments through Earthworks mics sound very nice to my ear.

@pipamusa 5 жыл бұрын

Is there something about using dynamic mics because they’re more durable? My older brother always says to only use a large dynamic mic for kick drum for example. Are toms also dangerous in that regard because of low range? Or is this technique only good for more balanced players/less aggressive genres ?

@IsraelSuperguide 3 жыл бұрын

what about using for interviews instead of using for instruments? are they design for that purpose too? lastly what type of conection cable will i for my tasca dr-1000 mkiii? thanks

@billlord4203 7 жыл бұрын

Ryan, this is a perfect example why it is best not to be a lemming. Sometimes bending the status quo can result in pleasant surprises. In particular, I was stunned to hear the quality and full-natured tone captured from the toms. Ummm, wow! My nonprofit (The Global Z Recording Project) is partnering with a local community college's audio engineering program and they are going to conduct a character analysis of our mics to see what our mics sound like on a variety of instruments. We don't have a high-end mic locker, but a pretty good selection to work with. So I will be curious to learn if any surprises surface and learn how different types of mics respond to different types of instruments.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Hey William great to hear from you again. Yeah I really dig those tom with these mics. Good thing I tried it. Yeah, that project sounds really cool. Sounds like it would speed up a couple years of trial and error.

@paulstefanowicz4236 7 жыл бұрын

Ryan, this was a fantastic video. I have used SDC in preference to LDC because of their rejection characteristics. I work in untreated rooms and these mics really help me: if I hate the room, on the day, whatever, I will usually go for SDCs. I'm a big fan of 12-Gague (US company) and often find his mics can help in such situations. For a long time, I used a Rode NT3 as my main vocal mic with pleasing results and it's still one of my top-choice mics for acoustic guitar because of its superior reaction to the acoustic guitar's transients. Good work, Ryan; you're an inspirational artist.

@yubasunproductions2494 6 жыл бұрын

Love that

@JesusMartinez-me1je 4 жыл бұрын

Would you say a pair of Soyuz 013 would be good for bongos?

@giordash 7 жыл бұрын

I find LDCs never really get a fair shake at other sources. Not sure why, they sound fantastic. I have a feeling it is because we know other mics might be more dependable at a certain job, and so we sacrifice experimentation and go with what we know will work. I love that you showcased the Suyuz mics on the piano and toms! That's exactly what I'm talking about. Most of the time, people are content to throw 421s or 414s at the toms and call it a day; they may even look at you sideways for setting up LDCs on toms. And that really sucks because it deters actual listening and forming opinions about sounds we record. Making the case for experimenting with mics and techniques becomes challenging when you know there are hundreds of engineers who endorse using a specific mic in a specific way on a specific source. While having the stuff that you know works is crucial, it's important to remember that the creative use of the tools available to us was what propelled certain mics to become go-tos for certain sources in the first place. You never know what reverse wiring a pair of headphones and taping them to the face of a singer is going to sound like until you try it.

@alexanderjamieson7971 7 жыл бұрын

My LDC mics that I use for overheads are my most expensive mics. At my current budget, I'm not willing to risk their demise as tom mics. I've heard recordings using CAD LDC as tom mics, and I think they sound better than 421's, but I have to wonder if it's worth the risk of damaging them.

@reg_10_juanferdy93 5 жыл бұрын

Can i use small diaphragm mic to mic an amp

@tobiaswinter1358 Жыл бұрын

What SPL should the small diaphragm condensers have used as tom mics in a live rock/pop setting?

@celestialdrums486 3 жыл бұрын

Can i use it on a snare drum without any issue?

@Adrian_Franco 4 жыл бұрын

Is there a reason you passed up the tube version of these mics? I can't seem to find a lot of user info on these because I guess they're relatively new.

@vegasmarc21 4 жыл бұрын

Would it sound good in a bass drum?

@RDZionMoses 4 жыл бұрын

Can we use small diaphragm for chorus

@joeydinero9300 5 жыл бұрын

Is the sE 7 a good mic?

@keeelane 7 жыл бұрын

Great, just what I needed for my next recording. :) Going to record loud rock live in a small room and I was really picking my brain how to deal with the bleed issues from drum overhead. I think this is IT. I mean I don't think bleed is necessarily that bad but you need to work with it. Some bleed is natural.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've tried recording that same piano (and my own piano) with dynamics thinking that it would let me be closer to the piano and get less bleed. But there will always be bleed there and the SDCs will give you a really smooth bleed at that. You can always delay the tracks with the bleed by 20 ms, (If that particular source is panned in a mix) and it'll give you a fake drum room mic.

@nadiarazi6251 4 жыл бұрын

Would you put a small diaphragm condenser on a snare?

@sim0n17 4 жыл бұрын

in short - what size is considered small diaphram and what size is considered large diaphram? is 2/3" large or small?

@goldenrevolution5454 5 жыл бұрын

How is this for rap vocals?

@lucaiovineclarinettist9172 4 жыл бұрын

So.. if I want to record a clarinet at home, do you suggest a small diaphragm? I'm a classical musician. Thank you..

@JohnSmith-ut9ti 3 жыл бұрын

fet or tube soyuz?

@analogkid4557 6 жыл бұрын

I agree, Small condensers work great. I used them in the past on my whole drum kit. Transients are great and the sound is very natural. I am thinking about going back to them, although for death metal, I am not sure how it will work. Previously used them in a blues/ rock band and a heavy metal band. Worked really good.

@ipshitajee 4 жыл бұрын

Hey can u say is it good for a podcaster I'm a podcaster myself and in desperate need of perfect mics within budget ,and if the answer is no then do suggest me some of em that may satisfy my need

@astralaudio101 4 жыл бұрын

I can taste those microphones.. 🙏

@phrankus2009 6 жыл бұрын

On cymbals and other hi freq sources (only).

@danfuerthgillis4483 5 жыл бұрын

Choices for budget, Behringer C2 or C4, Monoprice stereo pair, Lyxpr Stereo set, Neweer 2 pack etc many out there that let you start for 100$ . You get what you pay for remember that.

@j.fortes8003 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks! Would you recommend them for live performance? For exemple on vocals, considering that they "tend" to capture less feedback from other parts.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

No not on vocals for live stage but live studio - yes. Just protect the mic from wind blasts.

@j.fortes8003 6 жыл бұрын

Creative Sound Lab ok! Thanks!

@juniorvicepresidentofzimba4946 Жыл бұрын

The statement about bleed and LDCs is probably a bit simplistic. What if it was fig 8 LDC with the null pointed at the kit?

@austincox1709 4 жыл бұрын

man. i should throw my samson CO2's on my toms. sounds so good

@Martin-kn6vc 7 жыл бұрын

That acoustic guitar tone is so nice! That's the sound I hear in my head when I think of acoustics; rich and detailed. How much of that tone in that example do you attribute to the mic, or is the acoustic guitar itself the main factor in that overall sound?

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Well he is a really good player, so that's a great start to good acoustic tone. Then the guitar itself is played well and he knows how to get the best tone from it by where it plays on the strings, and how hard to dig in, ect. The guitar itself is nice too. Then follow it up with mic. The mic is a lot of the tone, but it would be nothing without a good player on a good instrument.

@Martin-kn6vc 7 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I did wonder if the mic had a huge impact on that tone, as recently I've been dismissing mics being the important contributor, as I feel you can get similar results regardless of which mic you choose in a certain type (within reason). Like you say, you need a great performance to begin with. I recently picked up a pair of Shure KSM137s which are super fast! The transients are crazy on those. I like your most recent video too - a real eye-opener hearing the differences in bleed between SDCs and dynamics. My initial prediction would've been that dynamics would've rejected the most bleed but that certainly wasn't the case.

@arlingtonhynes 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don’t think any mic will make my Taylor 114 sound like that. Or make me sound like that playing anything.

@monkeyxx 5 жыл бұрын

@@arlingtonhynes I play a 114 here, my Oktava 012 sounds damn fine on that guitar.

@JacoboCastroCristo 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I would be nice to hear the difference between those small diaphragm vs big ones. I also wanted to know if you can record voices with them, if they are so versatile and natural why aren´t they used to record voice? Thanks again.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

You can hear the difference between SDC, LDC and dynamic in today's video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l7iYgKmTz76ukY0.html

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

A big thing about SDCs on vocal is that we want voices to sound larger than life, and sometimes a realistic picture of how someone sounds may not deliver the results we expect. People do it though if they can still believe in the mic they are singing into.

@JacoboCastroCristo 7 жыл бұрын

Creative Sound Lab thanks!

@chrisw5742 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but bass range vocals like me will overpower large diaphragm condensers and it won't sit in a mix properly without eq. Start with the right mic for the right type of vocal. For me it will be SDC. And it can be played on headphones , small speakers or big speakers and sound the same.

@russwilson2305 6 жыл бұрын

So you mic'ed the back of the piano? Interesting.

@alocessa 3 жыл бұрын

How are SDCs for bass drums? Has anyone tried yet?

@jorgepeterbarton1324 7 жыл бұрын

how's the avantone ck-1? have you tried this one? I was forgetting about small diaphragms but reviews are good for it compared to the large diaphragms i found. I think could lend a certain character on drums like close snare if they can handle the SPL.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

I havn't gotten to try those yet but I see they also have a 10 dB pad. Yeah, you really need to have a pad with the SDC for drums. If you look closely, the SU-013 has a little extension on the body, and that's the 10 dB pad. Some others have a switch on them, and it's a nessesity if you want to use them as a true utility mic on many different sources.

@underpressureman 7 жыл бұрын

There pretty rad mics! I used one to mic high hats(on one song) and a jcm 800 on(one particular song) on my first bands album! Ill put a couple links for you! Im looking at getting some SE's!

@bbopamnnnoymous 4 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend a small diaphragm condenser mic for ASMR? I feel like most ASMR artist use large frame? If you don’t know what ASMR is then I guess this question is void!

@TheBonegames 6 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to record drums w/ one microphone? With one should i choose?

@TheHeater90 6 жыл бұрын

It's very possible to record drums with one mic, this was quite common back in the 40s, 50s and even somewhat in the 60s. Common mics used for this technique are Ribbon mics like RCA 77DXs, RCA 44BXs, and Coles 4038s, or Large Diaphragm Contenders like the Telefunken/Neumann U47, U67 and M49, or the Sony C37A, or the AKG C12. On Elvis' Jailhouse Rock, they used one Electro Voice 666 Mic, which is a Dynamic Mic. You can get a really good balance with this technique, but mic placement is critical, and so is the player's volume. In general, the player needs to hit the snare drum pretty loud, but keep the cymbals nice and light, unless the part calls for bashing. In other words, the drummer is required to mix himself correctly as he plays.

@aaronkurz864 4 жыл бұрын

RUFFY IN THE BACKGROUND!

@codking82 4 жыл бұрын

hey ryan what are you recordin the mics through? interface or a H6? for the mic test

@codking82 4 жыл бұрын

cuz im recording logic x through a clarett 2pre and the sound is so attenuated and low i have no idea why its so low like -30 db peak

@BadChizzle 4 жыл бұрын

It’s also a really Cool looking mic, this one. Ha ha. I’ve seen other KZfaq people using them on, well everything almost... and they sound so good.

@MichaelDespairs 4 жыл бұрын

0:31 A cue stick guitar: great for getting a BWONG every time you break.

@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын

looking to get a new mic primarily for acoustic stuff as well as record electric guitar i figured for the acoustic an sm58 would work great, but a reasonably priced condenser would be cool any help would be appreciated.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

For SDCs it really pays to get a good one. I've enjoyed these SU-013 mics, and try not to EQ too much because I rely on the mic for the sound. Ribbons can also work well four acoustic stuff, but you'll need a good clean preamp OR invest in a good ribbon that is active such as the N22 that has built in electronics. Without some investment in a preamp or a good ribbon, that brings you back to SDCs for acoustic detail. It depends how bright you want it to sound, and what kind of tone you want. A 57 can work good, but you won't have the speed.

@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын

hey thanks a lot man i really appreciate your advice and time taken to answer with such detail. your videas are really great your work is appreciated good sir (sweet dreads).

@RobertSlover 6 жыл бұрын

random mic question: any experience with AKG P170?

@wesleyaustin2951 7 жыл бұрын

what about for vocals or maybe just a random video shoot? use it as a shotgun mic ?

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Yes, totally for vocals. Just protect the mic with a pop screen. LDCs would have a sloppier polar pattern so they can be more forgiving if the vocalist moves around, however the SDCs will be consisten tonally from the sides. If you have bleed in a room, such as live recording, then SDCs might be just the trick. For video overhead mics, yes, I currently use a Km184 as an overhead mic as I don't use it much for the studio, and I like the way it sounds on my voice for spoken word, so it's a mic I can "burn" as a video mic.

@ChrisPFuchs 7 жыл бұрын

Hypercardioid or Supercardioid SDCs like the MKH 50 or Schoeps Mk41 are actually standard for interior dialogue in film. Shotgun mics with interference tubes begin to have phasing issues and bad off axis coloration as reflections enter the side of the interference tube, which is why sdc are a better choice in most situations. Cardioid SDC mics are often used as well for dialogue in things like 2-shots where you're trying to pick up multiple people with one mic, or in situations where it's hard for the boom op to stay on axis consistently.

@whanowa 4 жыл бұрын

What beautiful microphones...only 1.200€ a pair. And I was getting my hopes up.

@creativesoundlab 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they are not cheap. But I would say they could give the old 414s a run for the money. I don't think they have been bad on anything. And they are medium (more so) than a traditional small diaphragm. With the cardioid and warm and smooth sounding omni caps, I'd call it a desert island mic.

@GamalielRios 7 жыл бұрын

The Sennheiser e614 super-cardioid would work for this application?

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Sure you could try it!

@GamalielRios 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks I will. I know that for drum overheads are killer but I'll try them in acoustic guitars and other sources. Thanks...!!!

@yourtulpa 6 жыл бұрын

Soyuz. Proudly made in Tula, Russia. Those are really cool mics, glad to see you using them! The correct pronunciation would be with stressed "yu" instead of "o" btw. Not trying to be mean, it's just how it sounds here in big bad Russia :D Gotta love those tom sounds!

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are great mics.

@AdamRainStopper 7 жыл бұрын

Well, got no work left to do today, and I'm already sunburned as hell, so I better stay inside. Lettuce hear what you got to say about LSD. I mean SDC's.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Haha...well, this is a lot of good stuff in this video. I have a few follow up videos to show some demos in more detail. I learn as much as you guys on this stuff.

@AdamRainStopper 7 жыл бұрын

Yours are the only videos I regularly watch with my headphones all the way on. I know that's a weird comment to get, but it's true. I think I use small-diaphragms on overheads most of the time, and when I want a "warmer" sound, I go for ribbons. I just like that I don't have to put a high-pass filter at like 200 Hz on it to avoid having very low frequency information in full stereo. I try to keep everything below 200 hz mono. If I want a stereo bass guitar sound, for instance, I'll just break it up into the low-pass (extremely low frequencies ONLY) track, which is usually the DI, and then a track with the lows filtered out, and ad stereo chorus to that by sending it out through a Boss Super-Chorus, with both outputs on the pedal going to two separate amps. But the very low shit is always mono. It's just easier than chasing down phase issues after the fact.

@AdamRainStopper 7 жыл бұрын

And BTW, I am talking about a 4 mic setup, kick, snare, two OH's, but I will still be using the small-diaphragms.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, right on man. Great points. Side note...It may be because I'm a drummer, but I always have to judge my SDC set ups on drum overheads WITH compression. For me it's hard to do it without.

@AdamRainStopper 7 жыл бұрын

Dynamic mics (kick, snare) are plugged straight into a compressor, and SD condensers go into a pair of www.ebay.com/i/361953894932?chn=ps&dispItem=1 and then into the compressor. ALWAYS. I never track drums raw, I always have some fast compression on the close-mics and some slightly more subtle compression on the OH's. I just *KNOW* that drum tracks are *GOING TO* require some compression, so I hit them on the way in. I may end up adding more after, but I'm pretty used to tracking with compression in the chain and rarely ever feel like I used too much, and only occasionally too little (which can obviously be corrected). So yeah, I am with you on judging the sound *with* compression. There's also "Mini K47" type mics, the "medium-diaphragm" condensers, or C1000's, which are really cool, as they can be run off a 9v battery. They make good OH's for a 4 mic setup. It's big enough to capture a "full" image of the kit, but it won't be overly sensitive to the rumble of the kick. I DO use a high-pass filter in that case though.

@kyletheidiot 5 жыл бұрын

Acqueuestic

@dankurydotcom 7 жыл бұрын

you're right, no microphone ever made for measurments have a large diaphragm, and we should not use mics based on their "specs" but small capsule mics are wonderful. Small capsule mics should never be considered or thought of a "less than" their larger counterparts. Mics like AKG 451, Neumann KM84, KM184, even Oktava MC012 are wonderful sounding mics, and leave the EQ alone.

@BrandonStonerAEP 7 жыл бұрын

rad video! always been a proponent of SDCs

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@noobpower96 7 жыл бұрын

I find that Singers are sometimes put off by Small Diapgragms since they expect that big expensive looking Large Diaphragm

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Yep, and if that's the case, then the vocal take is shot before it ever began. Inspiration is everything.

@EtcEtcAndEtc 6 жыл бұрын

4: they have less self noise than a LDC. Some of the characteristics mentioned can be actually be bad in some situations though! horses for courses

@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom 3 жыл бұрын

SDC's tend to have more noise. This isn't because of the circuitry but because of how the diaphragm works because it's small and light it's very easy to set in motion which makes it pick up more noise. Because of this SDC's are faster in response then LDC's.

@thegreatsiberianitch 7 жыл бұрын

2:21 Mischievous hi-hat shot.

@rickster58 4 жыл бұрын

I was disappointed that there wasn’t an A-B comparison. Your point is probably valid, but without a comparison the point is not supported.

@SyntheticFuture 5 жыл бұрын

Shame there is no A-B examples =(

@creativesoundlab 5 жыл бұрын

I did two follow up videos the same week that compare other mics to the SDCs.

@SyntheticFuture 5 жыл бұрын

@@creativesoundlab oh cool. I'll get digging =) The downside of getting across videos after the fact is that often you miss the follow ups =)

@BrunoChiovoloni 6 жыл бұрын

195 likes and 0 dislikes. Congrats

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

Wow!!! Thanks for pointing that out!

@alsmoviebarn 7 жыл бұрын

I've been using SDCs on vocals lately. You have to use a windshield, get the singer to stay at least 9 inches away from it, and not sing "into" it but "at" it if you see what I mean... but when you do all that it sounds great.

@creativesoundlab 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah there is really no reason not to try SDCs on vocals. It seems a little strange at first, as vocalist almost expect a LDC, but they can work great. Come to think of it, I should have done that for a live session with drums in the room, because at least then the bleed would have sounded a lot better.

@underpressureman 7 жыл бұрын

Its kind of like hyper-cardioid on a LDC!

@jazzsax8Vlad 7 жыл бұрын

yeah... now waiting for LDCs reasons

@BoDiddly 6 жыл бұрын

I don't agree with your assessments. You can get the same dynamics with LDC's as you can with SDC's. The Cardioid issue is more about how the mic is designed, built and how it is used. I can get the same level of drum rejection using a LDC as you did in your drum-piano example.

@creativesoundlab 6 жыл бұрын

These concepts (1. Cited from Nuemann 2. Discussed with a mentor 3. Proven in audio demos) are bigger than my own personal opinions or "Assessments". Perhaps I don't agree with a particular idea either, after all they each have to be tested and in many of my videos I show the tests that fail. It makes for a better video that way. It's not me telling you "What this is" but instead it's "Here is what I found, what do you think". The demos speak for themselves, and these SU-013s kick ass in these demos.