Sonic Colors: Stop Dr Eggman from using the wisps as a power source. Sonic Forces: Use the wisps as a power source to stop Dr Eggman.

We should of never stopped Eggman in Colors. His plan was actually to prevent Wisps from taking over the series. We were the villain all along.

The thumbnail is a master piece

Your last point is pretty interesting in that Sonic has gone too comedic or too cartoony, wacky and borderline cringy. But, I once remembered people saying the past stories in sonic games were too dark for the colorful characters. Honestly I think the stories of Sonic games should be more like the Sam Raimi spider-man movies; has some dark and sad moments but was still filled with cool and heroic moments too. Idk, that's all I got...

Gonna say this: the wisps are good, but they only belong in colors.

The wisps not only replaced the Chao, they replaced the cast of characters.

That point you made concerning Sonic's quips and wisecracks COMPLIMENTING the action, tension, or excitement, rather than distracting from it, is spot-on. More people should make that distinction.

Most of my pet peeves is how some characters are written. Previous, not grammy award winning characters but ones with meat to them, have had that meat stripped away and are made into their most basic form. My favourites include: Tails: The loley tech sidekick Shadow: The moody brooder who doesn't have friends Knuckles: The Blockhead and Sonic: The guy who just stands there cracking jokes.

Using chao instead of wisps would be fantastic. In Sonic Chronicles, there were different species of chao that gave the characters unique abilities. Sonic team could implement something like that into a future game where depending on how you raise the chao ,it could grant you power ups.

Wisps in sonic forces: *exist* Chaomix: Putthatthingbackwhereitcamefrom or so help me

The lore went hard during the adventure series with takal, shadows death, and eggmans relative. But in recent games I feel as if these stories went unfinished. Maybe it's their intent but I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure this has been answered in comics, but if they want to have better games it would be best to finish that same serious lore in the games.

Aw, yeah! This is happenin’! For me: 1. Pontaff-era storytelling 2. Classic Sonic bias 3. Anything related to Sonic Forces EDIT: How did I forget the Deadly Six on here? Uh, replace 3 with this, and that can be 4.

Literally perfectly mirrors the 3 biggest things I dislike most about Sonic over the past decade.

I don’t see the Sonic series as a comedy. I see it as a dramady. A mix of serious storytelling with some light-hearted moments.

Sonic has been so “comedic” in his new games that even Mario takes himself way more seriously

The thumbnail produces a feeling of accomplishment in me

Me: *Enjoying the IDW Comics* Zavok: "Prepare for Trouble!" The Zeti: "And make it Sextuple!"

Alien exist in shadow the hedgehog Fans : wtf Alien exist in sonic colours Fans in 2010: hell yeah

alternate title: 3 of my biggest problems with the meta era of sonic

The reason they keep adding Zavok to literally any and every piece of sonic media is that lizuka just wants to push the “light hearted and wacky” agenda to the series, and thinks zavok is a good role model

My three least favourite things in the Sonic Franchise are (In reverse order): 3: Classic Sonic in Sonic Forces. (It tarnished the excellent Sonic Mania) 2: Overuse of the Wisps and Zavok beyond Sonic Colours and Lost World. (This is a joint problem for me) 1: The comedic tone of the entire "Meta Era" of Sonic and the Character Assassination of Sonic's Friends, ESPECIALLY Tails and Shadow! (Tails is now a wimp that is VERY reliant on Sonic and Shadow is now an aggressive Edgelord with no feelings. Their Adventure Era personalities are way better and they MUST return!)

The third gripe is the one that resonated with me the strongest, and it's the reason I liked the Meta Era the least out of the last three decades. Between Sonic Boom and the Sonic Twitter's memes, it's like SEGA's telling us, "Yeah, we get it. We're bad. We're not even gonna front. We'll just laugh about it and keep doing our thing." Whatever happened to the SEGA that liked to push against the norm? What happened to the SEGA that practically bled confidence? What happened to the SEGA who was unafraid to take risks, and found themselves excelling in ways nobody would have imagined? The SEGA I used to know wouldn't have laid down and held the L. They sure as heck wouldn't have made a character design that is blatantly a rip-off of Bowser (Zavok, why do you even exist? Leave already!). They'd even said quite recently that they aren't the same SEGA that we'd had back in the 2000s and early 2010s, and that they're taking the slow approach with game releases. And yet, back when they pushed games out on a yearly basis, the titles from that era were comparatively more enjoyable...strange, isn't it? Moral of the story: it's not about how much time you have, it's about what you *do* with that time that counts. P.S. I was excited for Sonic Prime, and I still am, but the memory of Sonic Boom's existence is now making me anxious as to how well it's going to turn out.

Mephiles should have been in Zavoks place in Forces. It'd be so cool to see him again, even if he wasn't real

Fun fact! The reason wisps being On sonics planet was explained in sonic runners! And the thing why they're still in capsules and explained in the idw comics

Me when i see a wisp 😠 me when i see a chao 🥰

12:33 I love Ryan Drummond with all my might. THAT ULTIMATE DELIVERY, MAN

Here's mine 1. Bastardization of certain characters (Tails, Knuckles, Metal Sonic, and Shadow all got it the worst IMO) 2. Sonic's the only playable character nowadays 3. The shift in tone

My biggest pet peeve is how they keep shoving Classic aesthetics into Modern games to capitalise on nostalgia. It's not just the big things like shoving Green Hill in your face every chance they get, it's also the little things like Sonic's subtle redesign in Forces to look more like Classic Sonic, or how they brought back Classic boost pads for no reason, or how they replaced the Goal Ring with some sort of floating signpost. Does SEGA really believe these things are what makes a good Sonic game?

I hate how short generations was.

Imagine if Zavok was in Sonic Colors Ultimate as DLC or something. It'd be hilarious seeing Chaomix having some sort of mental breakdown.

My pet peeve is when they ignore Knuckles' original personality and just make him dumb

My biggest are: Bad writting, look at the deadly Six, whisps are shitty, Forces, lack of Chao Garden and VARIOUS OTHERS

5 things that need to back for the Sonic Franchise: -New unique Level up Items for every different character. -New villain (with a GREAT backstory and a AWESOME appearance like Mephiles) -Other playable characters with unique traits, stories, quotes themes, and movies -New power-ups (that can ALSO effect characters movies like when Mr. Bane create Sonic M. Please go to his channel, he's is very talented). -Not just serious, but a professional, Creative, hand master writing story that can BLOW everyone's minds away. -Create a extra story after clearing everyone's story mode and Very good extra modes like: Muitiplayer, Battle mode, Chao Garden, Racing mode, and mini stage that never appeared on story mode. Also they need to do it in Spark The Jester/Sonic Omens ( that BOLT created. PLEASE check out his channel and his fan game ) style or Mania style but with Advance series style too.

Something funny I was just thinking about your opinion on designs of the Wisps and Zeti looking out of place in the Sonic universe is that as someone who was introduced to the series through the Classic era, I remember a time when Big the Cat and the Chao looked unusual for the series. Not that I didn't like them, I always loved the Chao and wish the Chao Garden would return. I just remember seeing their artwork for the first time and thinking they didn't look like Sonic characters. These days they've been in the series for so long (even with their roles diminished) that we kind of take them for granted.

Person: the Wips are actually good. Me: shows chaomix's thumbnail as a meme.

Very nice video. My personal nit-pick is also that sonic has little to no depth now.. I think sa2 level of darkness was good and the quips were great! But now everything feels so childish and lighthearted for no reason other than "we dont want to be called edgy like we ere because of shadow's game"

Wish SEGA could get the message. . .the Meta era has just been full of moments that make me wanna rip my hair out. Thumbnail is godlike tho

That thumbnail is very accurate to my feelings too

Can we talk about Sonic's ever shortening Quills?

My biggest thing I can’t stand is “SoNiC iS jUsT fOr KiDs”. Sonic is supposed to be a series that any age can enjoy. The lighter tone stories and constant sad jokes really get under my skin. Another big thing I can’t stand is how some of the characters are portrayed, especially Shadow and Tails. Tails being portrayed as a huge coward and Shadow a complete edge lord. The Tails we know would still be scared but push on regardless because he believes in himself, instead of running away and calling Sonic for help. And Shadow sure he can be edgy at times but that’s not what he’s all about. He’s a character that redeemed himself and found his own purpose. Not some edge lord who doesn’t have friends because that’s not cool. Ok rant over lmao, I just really hope the Sonic series can have the amazing stories they once had.

Pre 2010s Sonic gave us Sonic cutscenes and stories that were worth thinking about and discussing. 2010s Sonic gave us KZfaq Poop sources.

I like the implication that wisps became a sort of plague in Mobius/Earth after the events in Sonic Colors

Sometimes i get myself thinking, if we had Sonic extreme, Tiara Buboowski was going to continue in the series, and she would have a 2D gameplay in The Adventure games, and a Rival in SA2... because she was meant to have a 2D gameplay in Sonic Extreme...

For me personally when it comes to the Sonic series: It’s bad writing, bad world building and bad balance of comedy and drama.

This is a pretty interesting video! But what about Unleashed? The story wasn't dark, but it was serious, the perfect theme for a Sonic story if you ask me. Oh, and the thumbnail is the greatest piece of art of this Generation.

Yeah I more or less feel the same way. This more of a community pet peeve, but one thing that bothers me, is when people make bad faith criticisms on the games or don’t look at things from a different perspective and give credit where it’s due. They blame Sonic Team for not listening, when in fact they are, they’re taking the wrong advice and learn the wrong lesson. Cuz Colors was a response to the criticism of Unleashed. People were annoyed with the expansive cast of characters, and now Sonic is the only one allowed to resolve any problems. Can’t have a story where anthro characters take a situation seriously or have compelling arcs cuz their anthro characters (like honestly that really shouldn’t matter anymore cuz Undertale and the Sonic movie exists). And don’t get me started on the whole thing with humans and constantly bringing back Green Hill. That being said I hope the negative feedback of Forces leads to positive results. Especially since Pontaff aren’t the writers anymore and Sonic is gonna have a new voice. Edit: Scratch the part about the new voice.

I 100% agree with this video. If they keep bringing all these horrible tropes back in current games, least give me a "Chip" Cameo with his necklace or something. Even Sega don't give hints to that, yet we get 1$ Bowser with his Mario Kart item Wisps.

Not gonna lie but now, I do agree with your opinion on Wisps....

The explanation for Wisp's sticking around is that they really liked Earth. yes fr

Notice how all these problems where introduced during the Meta era. Hell, two out of three of these problems, the Wisps and the comedic and self-deprecating humor replacing serious stories, where introduced in the very first game of the era.

I saw you use that thumbnail on twitter lol.

Cool video, and you have some solid points. However, I do have some constructive criticism for you. 13:27 The thing is, it's not supposed to. Sonic Boom (especially the TV show) is its own separate continuity, largely divorced from the main game timeline (which is already a clusterfuck in terms of lore). Heck, last I checked, _every_ Sonic TV show took place in its own continuity, even if they did borrow events and characters from the games. I will admit, the action in the Boom cartoon is sorely lacking, but it's not meant to be like the rest of the franchise, it's essentially a parody of itself. You're hating on the Boom TV show not because of any actual faults (save for the action), but because of its premise itself as a comedy, which is honestly kind of unfair to something so otherwise innocuous. It's like hating on the Sonic franchise as a whole because it features anthropomorphized animals or because it's a platformer series. Would you be as angry about the Boom TV show if the games didn't follow the comedy direction? That's it. Aside from the delivery on some of your points (the "hinting at chao" bit felt _incredibly_ Forced, I think it might have been your tone of voice), I really like the rest of this video. I really hope Sonic's writing gets better so that more of these videos don't have to be made, though. The constant negativity around this franchise hurts my soul.

Someone should make an anime chaomix fighting the wisps

Absolutely beautiful thumbnail

I agree with the not a comedy point. I mean I believe the funniest line to me in the entire series is in 06 when Eggman says to shadow on the train... "Wouldn't the door have been easier?"

These are pretty accurate to me, but I don't mind the wisps as long as they stay in Colors where they belong. Tho one personal pet peeve for me is people calling Sonic 06 glitchy, if that counts. Ik it's more of an outside thing than any issues within the game, but no, no it is not glitchy. To be fair, I haven't played the PS3 version, which is actually an older build of the game, but I have 100%ed the 360 version, and yes it has glitches, but it's not glitchy. I find SADX and the Genesis version of Sonic 2 to be more glitchy for crying out loud.

i agree with all of them. wisps and zavok have overstayed. the concept of sonic being a more comedic franchise doesnt bother me that much, as long if the execution is good or doesnt affect the gameplay. but heres the thing, the execution isnt good. we got these incredibly cheesy and unfunny jokes created by the new sonic writers its just so bad, even the early archie sonic comics and the adventures of sonic the hedgehog did a better job at comedy than the newer titles. sonic boom is a perfect example of the idea done right, it doesnt take itself seriously and cracks jokes all the time, but this time the jokes are actually funny. forces is a horrible example of sonic being a funny guy, the plot expects us to take it seriously but its full with bad jokes and badly written characters which is only a fraction of why forces story was a complete mess. great video chaomix!

1. The whole "two worlds" concept between classic and modern 2. Zeti 3. The terrible treatment of many characters, especially Knuckles, Shadow, Tails, and Metal Sonic

It definitely drives me crazy that Sega wants to make sonic a freaking comedy. I honestly want Sega to create plots and styles from Archie comics.

When you said people who haven't subscribed to chaomix need to rethink their life choices, I scrolled down to subscribe, only to realize, I had already subscribed.

The whisps were really great in colors, and that’s where it should’ve ended aside from maybe a sequel.

This is a thumbnail premydaremy would approve of cause he hates the wisps

1.) I really want Chao back, but it's not gonna happen anymore. Because the Wisps replaced them for some reason. 2.) Also, I still hate the Deadly Six.

Agree with the last one HEAVY

Sonic Runners explains the Wisp still being here by some of them wanting to stay here.

I'm actually fine with the Wisps becoming a one-time-use series powerup. It's fine that they are extremely situational. However, the fact that they are situational is undermined by the fact that you get the Wisp in the exact spot you need it. Colors somewhat worked around this by making Wisps unavailable until you unlocked them for the first time in a later level, pushing the player to replay old levels to see where newly unlocked Wisps could be used. For an exploration-centric game like Colors, with all its Red Rings, that worked fine. If Wisps are intended to become one-time-use powerups for the series, however, they should be hidden off of the main path and given to the player before they actually become useful. The player should be expected to hold onto them for some time without losing them (e.g. through taking damage) in order to access secrets. You could even frame it as a game of hide and seek, with the Wisps hiding somewhere (although VERY conspicuously) in the level. That gets them out of capsules, explains why they aren't on their home planet, and explains why they aren't located exactly where you need them. They also need to be integrated more smoothly into the level design and Sonic's moveset. The Hover and Cube powerups are huge pacebreakers because they are so slow, and the Rhythm powerup is just conceptually dumb.

Definitely agree with all three of these. Wisps and Zavok need to go away and while I think Sonic Boom is hilarious, it is mostly in the writing, not the fact that it's Sonic. Cringe comedy Sonic has really overstayed its welcome.

The one place I actually can stand Zavok is in the IDW comics. They actually felt like writing him as a character and made him feel like a threat instead of being some red guy.

Sonic : *hEy TaIlS !!! YoU mIsSeD tHeBBBE !!!!!!* 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪 Tails : huh ?

This may be controversial, but I would say the games between Sonic Riders and Sonic and the Black Knight had a better balance of comedy and seriousness in the series compared to the Roger Craig Smith era, where there were occasional jokes but it didn't dominate the entire mood of the story.

Fun fact: The existence of wisps in the other games is actually explained in the now cancelled mobile game "Sonic Runners" where it's explained the Wisps stayed on Sonic's World (god I hate this name, couldn't they keep "Mobius"???) because they liked it here, hence why e see them again after Colors!

Yeah I don't like the comedy tone either. Sonic adventure 2 was a game with hedgehogs being pursued by the military, secret pyramid rockets, a death star, hedgehogs going super saian to fight a giant lizard in space, and through all that ridiculous nonsense, it treated itself seriously, and you know what? It absolutely worked. Sonic can be fun and absurd and cool and serious all at the same time

When Sonic X got on Netflix I watched some of it for the first time since the Saturday morning 4Kids anime blocks completely went away. Rewatching it on Netflix, It's a lot funnier now. Like, the part when Chris was trying to hide them from Mr. Tanaka and Ella, and a lot of those episodes where they weren't adapting anything yet were funny. Even when they started adapting SA1 and 2 I still found comedy in places that I hadn't seen as a kid. Like when Sonic meets Shadow for the first time, I realized that Shadow was just messing with Sonic the whole time, and he knew that he was pissing Sonic off. It most likely was not intentional there, but I still found it funny. I think Sonic is funnier when it doesn't try so hard to be funny and isn't trying to be so self aware like it does now.

The Boom show did have continuity, did interesting multiverse stuff, and honestly set itself up for a S3 that never came :( I went in thinking I'd hate it, and it's my favorite iteration of the Sonic cartoons honestly, having seen all of them. The Boom cartoon also does a really good job of fan service (not the lewd kind) callbacks without being cringey about it imo

Very well done here. I agreed on the nitpicks I do have some points to add on to them as well. 1. Regarding Wisps. If Sega's REALLY going to keep them around, then why not just have them fill a similar role to the animals and Chaos Drives in Chao Gardens. Their color power alone would add a lot of extra variety as to how you raise your Chao and all of their abilities could all be used to spice up events like Chao Racing and Chao Karate to make them both feel more interesting. 2. I HATE the Zeti. Absolutely cannot stand them. (They are all as important as Orbot and Cubot to me. In other words, not at all.) They look much more like NiGHTS characters to me. I will NEVER understand why Zavok keeps coming back when even in the Sonic universe, EVERYBODY HATES THEM! Infinite also had WAY more potential to be utilized than all of them combined. 3. Sonic was always meant to be focused on action and adventure. Humor can be fun, but it's a VERY difficult thing to get right. All of those memes have just made this problem even worse. There's also the fact that even a game like Forces (where Eggman WINS) is so scared to even TRY to feel genuine. The comedy focus has done more damage to Sonic than people realize. They threw any lore, continuity and character development out the window a LONG time ago. Unfortunately, the more they cower from stuff like Shadow or Sonic 06, (which are both very old at this point,) the more they rely on nostalgia and memes, and that hurts the series. They've been stuck in the early 1990's for over the last decade and this needs to stop before it's too late.

Post 3 obscure Sonic characters more beloved than Zavok: 1. Nack the Weasel 2. Professor Pickle 3. Mr. Know-it-all

You know what I cant stand? That stupid double jump that sonic has in his current games Its so stupid and its barely even a jump SERIOUSLY sonic team please just give sonic his homing attack air dash back and get rid of that terrible double "jump"

💯 *SONIC IS NOT A COMEDY* 💯

Wisps: I've always liked them, but I do see your points, and I do wish the Chao would return. The Zeti: I don't mind them but yeah, they really aren't much compared to the other villains Sonic has had. Sonic being a comedy: While I do enjoy a lot the humor, especially in Sonic Boom and all the Sonic Mania stuff, I do miss when we had more serious stories. I think the IDW comics have given us some of the best Sonic stories in a long time because they take themselves more seriously and they know how to use all the characters.

The idw comics are really serious right now and really good. They had the metal virus which literally turned people into zombies. Cream saw her mother changed right in front of he and is mentally scarred from it. Its just really good right now

I actually really like the wisps, but they need to be used in a different way, and they should not replace the chao. I think it would be great to see they interact with chao

Let's hope Sonic Prime doesn't go the all-comedy route.

For me, it's these four things. 1. Tails being a wimp in newer games. (Looking at you, Forces.) 2. The mere EXISTENCE of Zavok. Well, all of the Deadly Six, really. 3. Warren Graff and Ken Pontac's writing. 4. Tails' voice in Heroes.

I feel the main reason all the more recent Sonic games have been comedies is because SO MANY people online were complaining about how "a story about a blue cartoon hedgehog who collects rings, runs really fast, and fights an evil egg man wants to take itself seriously." I've seen this complaint so often on so many videos that I wouldn't be surprised if it affected Sonic Team and Sega, so since then, they've strictly been making their stories less serious. As for Sonic Forces, it's almost like they couldn't decide if they wanted the story to be serious or a comedy, so they mixed the 2 together. And sure, it's possible to have a serious story with comedic moments, but the story for Sonic Forces was disappointing in my opinion. Honestly, I can take a serious story in a Sonic game seriously. The only exception would be Shadow the Hedgehog, because that game was trying way too hard to be serious, just for the sake of being serious. If a story has got to be serious, it needs to be compelling.

I said this before, but I absolutely hate the jumping sound effect for Classic Sonic in Generations, you have 3 highly successful and loved main games with the default classic jump sound effect, but no, let's go with the beta-ish stupid one from CD. absolutely unplayable

Is it just me or does anyone else absolutely LOVE the story and plot of 06? (Actually my favorite in the series so far-)

2:40. Team Sonic Racing states that Wisps chose to live on Sonic's world with the Chao.

chaomix to wisps: "your free trial of living has ended"

Although I do agree that the whisps are overused I do love the design especially the laser wisp. Also in the mobile game sonic runners it's explained that the wisps came to earth because they like it there

I don't think the problem is being afraid to create more dark and serious stories I think the problem is more in how the community reacts by making a storm in the glass of water and exaggerating a lot, They do not innovate because they received a massive criticism every time they tried, and don’t tell me it’s because they don’t try or because they do it wrong, 2006, Werehog, Forces, R, Sonic all stars racing, and Forces all these done great works, but the fandom overexagerate in how bad they think something is bad, and forget how good something is, get it??

Fun fact, that wisp issue was addressed in sonic runners' story.

1: Colors-Onward Writing 2: Classic Sonic 3: Cream the Rabbit getting shafted

My own Sonic pet peeves, that weren't in the video: *I couldn't stand Shadow and Infinite's interaction in the Forces DLC/tie-in comics. I mean Shadow straight out "destroyed" (highly implied killed) the Jackal squad, beat up their surviving leader and called him weak (yikes!) yet did Infinite care he lost his teammates? nope he was more focused on being called weak... what a joke (so we have the wasted potential of Infinite having an inferiority complex due to being "too weak" to protect his squad although Shadow being a wilful murderer is another can of worms lol!). *I kinda wanted Amy to be playable in Mania+ and I thought it was a massive misses opportunity to finally see Super Amy (tho Mania still remains an awesome game despite the restrictions Sega put on it and I'm glad it brought back Mighty and Ray!). *I don't like (most) Sonic memes and they have zero place in the official products, it makes the franchise look like a shallow joke with very little integrity or substance to it. I think the Pokémon games handled the meme culture the best with having a reference to that infamous ORAS review from IGN in a completely optional mini-game in the Gen 7 games (also Sonic Twitter was and still is a mistake imo).

No Two Worlds theory? ...

The biggest issue with Zavok in particular is that his character design DOESN'T reflect his personality at all. His appearance makes him look like a raging brute, but in actuality, he presents himself as a schemer. His design and his character are incongruous with each other, which would be fine if that dichotomy was used to dramatic effect, but it isn't at all. His design is just ill-suited to his character. Like for example, if Zavok had the exact same personality he had now, but you replaced his design with Mogul's, I'd hate him a lot less because that actually does communicate both a sense of brute strength AND an intellect. On top of that, it would also fit a lot better with the rest of the series, because just like the wisps, the Zeti look completely out of place among the rest of Sonic's cast.

Alright choamix I challenge you to do a video on redrawing the wisps into a more cute, sonic style.

No more chao garden calling it now

I can't stand people not accepting that Sonic Heroes is Sonic Adventure 3. Also, The Sonic Storybook Series had Great writing & came out after 06.

My pet peeve is so insignificant but ticks me off so much and it is the quick step in forces and it's looking like frontiers too. Normally the quick step indicates Sonic's pure speed by quickly dodging high speed attacks, but in forces the animation is so bland and don't work half the time.

I remember first seeing the video, hoping for an excuse to vent about things I dislike from the Sonic series, before watching this through. Now that I have an excuse to- and icing on the cake, you're courageous enough to ask us to share our own peeves- I realize I'm so preoccupied with your skillful and impressive presentation that I cannot remember my own peeves with the series. At least, that aren't already on the list you just presented. If I ever remember my own hard-core peeves (that you haven't covered already) then I may come back and put a nuisance in your inbox.