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How to use the order of operations - PEMDAS (parenthesis, exponents, multiplication, division, additions and subtraction).
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@joannelong9014
@joannelong9014 11 ай бұрын
I am a 77 year old woman who had a couple of very intimidating math teachers in middle school so I never mastered algebra and have regretted it all these years. Thank you for your KZfaq channel. I watch it every night on TV and I am determined with your help to finally be able to conquer this and cross it off my bucket list. Thank you, John, for your patient teaching.
@LivingroomTV-me9oz
@LivingroomTV-me9oz 11 ай бұрын
Nobody tell her that this isn’t algebra…
@sylvisterling8782
@sylvisterling8782 11 ай бұрын
@@LivingroomTV-me9oz I am sorry, but algebra is imaginary. It does not exist. What is a number? It is a symbol indicating how many objects, thoughts, concepts, items exist in a given space. (...) is described as the number 3. What is a letter? A letter is a symbol indicating a sound. "A" is a sound. "Three" is a word, a sound made up of letters, but "three" is NOT (...). Just as you cannot add a stone to a board or a piece of paper to a dog, you cannot add, subtract or do anything combining a (...) to a letter! It simply does not work. Yes, you COULD mulch the board and reduce the stone to sand and throw them together, but ultimately microscopically, you will ALWAYS have tiny rocks and wood fibers! I havd explained this many times and nobody seems to understand it.
@natebarg
@natebarg 11 ай бұрын
@@sylvisterling8782what does that have to do with algebra? Sure someone had to come up with the concept of algebra so in that sense it is made up, but math such as algebra has useful applications in real life. Without someone doing the math you wouldn’t have a device to even watch this video. So I guess I don’t understand your point about it being made up.
@123mathtutorabc4
@123mathtutorabc4 11 ай бұрын
@@sylvisterling8782 c'mon dude, this ain't no abstract algebra course, it's a video on order of operations. Nobody seems to understand because you're explaining to others based on what you want to hear and not explaining in a form that will compel others to listen. You're basically explaining it to impress yourself, you're not necessarily explaining something because you want others to understand. Algebra comes from "al-mukhtasar fi hisab al-jabr wa al-muqabala" the title of a book written by Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (which is also where the word algorithm comes from), colloquially its means "the reunion of broken parts". Originally, letters were not used represent unknowns, rather the algorithms used to solve problems were written out in steps, much like a recipe. Sometimes the algorithms were written out as poetry as a means to help better remember them.
@williambelford9661
@williambelford9661 10 ай бұрын
This is arithmetic not algebra
@sandramckinlay7966
@sandramckinlay7966 Жыл бұрын
I have spent my life feeling stupid because I didn’t understand this stuff and now I realise that I just wasn’t taught the basics properly. I wish that I’d had a teacher like you, Sir! My life would have taken a completely different direction. This 62 year old thanks you very much!
@aikofujita2420
@aikofujita2420 Жыл бұрын
Me too! Im 63
@SUEELLENELASALI
@SUEELLENELASALI Жыл бұрын
I'm from overseas and I noticed most teachers are the same THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN MATH & SAID IT YEARS AGO
@tonyferreira6679
@tonyferreira6679 11 ай бұрын
Yes! this teacher was born to be teacher
@My-Pal-Hal
@My-Pal-Hal 11 ай бұрын
Don't feel bad. The dude F'd Up the grammar of the opening statement. So he's no genius 😂
@My-Pal-Hal
@My-Pal-Hal 11 ай бұрын
​@@tonyferreira6679 See, another english scholar.
@1999mikedunn
@1999mikedunn 11 ай бұрын
Correction......."if we have both multiplication and division, neither has priority and we work from left to right". So the answer is 165.
@johnwood2223
@johnwood2223 10 ай бұрын
I was also taught that multiplication had equal priority to division, but another respondent said that division comes before. I can’t agree with that as they are interconnected functions.
@miraheil5521
@miraheil5521 8 ай бұрын
In my head
@MrMousley
@MrMousley 11 ай бұрын
3(5 + 20 / 2 x 5) brackets first .. and 20/2 first 3(5 + 10 x 5) then 10 x 5 3(5 + 50) then 5 + 50 3(55) then 3 x 55 165
@Dragonblaster1
@Dragonblaster1 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree.
@sonsofjorge7730
@sonsofjorge7730 2 ай бұрын
I do agree as per PEMDAS rule.. but application in real world such as physics, chemistry, advance math, engineering does not follow this. juxtaposition is included in the rule. hence your answer is still wrong
@caroljohnson8116
@caroljohnson8116 16 күн бұрын
165
@ctaylor1460
@ctaylor1460 Жыл бұрын
Multiplication and division are of equal value and are done in the order that they appear in the equation from left to right; the same is true of addition and subtraction. It should be 3 x (5 + ((20/2) x 5)) = 3 x (5 + (10 X 5)) = 3 x 55 = 165.
@dennissvitak148
@dennissvitak148 Жыл бұрын
I came in to type 165. You are quite correct.
@pandaycorp
@pandaycorp Жыл бұрын
PEMDAS is probably understood correctly in some countries. BEDMAS removes confusion, where B refers to brackets or parentheses.
@JediJan
@JediJan Жыл бұрын
@@pandaycorpWe referred to this as BODMAS; Brackets of, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.
@RJ-cx1gt
@RJ-cx1gt 11 ай бұрын
@@pandaycorpI was taught BODMAS as the order of operations; brackets, order/exponent, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction.
@Xinder720
@Xinder720 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I got this correct answer on my 2nd try. I was trying to figure out using PEMDAS and of course that is incorrect.
@ReneeinVirginia
@ReneeinVirginia Жыл бұрын
I'm 60 and had never heard of PEMDAS or wasn't listening in class. But after 2 previous videos I've watched of yours, I got this correct! Shocked and proud of myself. I wish you were my teacher 45 years ago!
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done.
@l.medina6251
@l.medina6251 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I hated math, but I remember PEMDAS. I specifically remember the mnemonic, Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally =PEMDAS! I teach it to my grandkids today! My granddaughter is gifted in math & way ahead of her peers! She's 10. Proud grandma here, sorry! 🤭
@Upemm
@Upemm Жыл бұрын
Same, but I know I was never taught this,which would have made maths lessons so much easier……# sigh
@garfieldsmith332
@garfieldsmith332 Жыл бұрын
I am older and we were taught the rules for equations; however it was never referenced as PEMDAS or any other acronym. We just remembered it by the function names.
@mamaAfrica3062
@mamaAfrica3062 Жыл бұрын
We were taught BODMAS. I too have never heard PEMDAS
@bobbycole4431
@bobbycole4431 11 ай бұрын
To solve this expression, you need to follow the order of operations (PEMDAS/BODMAS), which stands for Parentheses/Brackets, Exponents/Orders (i.e., powers and square roots, etc.), Multiplication and Division (left-to-right), and Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right). In this expression: 3 * (5 + 20 / 2 * 5) Let's break it down step by step: First, evaluate the expression inside the parentheses: 5 + 20 / 2 * 5 Now, follow the order of operations within the parentheses: a. Divide 20 by 2: 20 / 2 = 10 b. Multiply 10 by 5: 10 * 5 = 50 c. Add 5 to the result: 5 + 50 = 55 So, the expression inside the parentheses simplifies to 55: 3 * 55 Finally, multiply 3 by 55: 3 * 55 = 165 So, the answer is 165.
@thesummerthatwas76
@thesummerthatwas76 10 ай бұрын
Unlesss you are a maths teacher, how on earth could you remember that rule? (I won't say you looked it up). I worked in pensions admin, actuarial, finance and insurance all my life but couldn't recall all that you laid out.
@johnbeard3733
@johnbeard3733 10 ай бұрын
but the m comes before the d. so why dont you multiply the 2 x 5 first and then divide into 10?
@peggyp3517
@peggyp3517 10 ай бұрын
@@johnbeard3733because the rule is you go left to right. Multiply or divide (whichever comes first), then add or subtract next (whichever comes first)
@johnbeard3733
@johnbeard3733 10 ай бұрын
Thanks Peggy
@thenetsurferboy
@thenetsurferboy 9 ай бұрын
Because he does not understand@@johnbeard3733
@skabuoy
@skabuoy 11 ай бұрын
In the Netherlands, the answer would be 21. Unless they changed the rules. The formula in which order to solve this over here is (was?) Meneer Van Dalen Wacht Op Antwoord (literally translated Mr Van Dalen Waits On Answer) : Machtverheffen (not applicable here), Vermenigvuldigen (multiply, so 2x5=10), Delen (divide, so 20/10=2), Worteltrekken (not applicable here), Optellen (add, so 5+2=7), Aftrekken (not applicable here). So we end up with 3x the 7 from within the brackets, equals 21.
@joshuahaught4812
@joshuahaught4812 11 ай бұрын
You would divide first because that's the first order of operation within the parentheses from left to right, after you would multiply.
@dilbert0815
@dilbert0815 11 ай бұрын
Simply no. PEMDAS is misleading. Multiplication and division are equal level. Here its left to right. Its that simple. Same allpies to addition and substraction: same level, left to right. Any one familar with programming languages knows this.
@WblutSundAehre
@WblutSundAehre 11 ай бұрын
​@@dilbert0815 PEMDAS also neglects Juxtaposition (implicit multiplication) which leads to ambiguity and wrong answers. PEMDAS: 6/2(1+2) => 6/2(3) => 3(3) = 9; which is incorrect but what most U.S. calculators will yield. PEJMDAS: 6/2(1+2) => 6/(2+4) => 6/6 = 1; which is correct. For those in doubt 1 is the correct answer visit the site alcula and go to the RPN calculator enter the following: 6, enter, 2, enter, 1, enter, 2, +, *, /
@kevinm.sanders3673
@kevinm.sanders3673 11 ай бұрын
Actually you just mess up the order the same as the rest of the world leading to a wrong answer of 21. Man I hated getting those papers back with the red pemdas written everywhere.
@skabuoy
@skabuoy 11 ай бұрын
We were never taught about 'left to right', so the answer would still be 21. Good thing everyday life doesn't have to deal with this kind of nonsense. ;-) I finished high school with mathematics as a chosen, and never needed it after my graduation. So, as far as I am concerned, the answer could be 3,000,000.
@waterjade4198
@waterjade4198 11 ай бұрын
165. Depending on the country, the name of the order of operation may differ, but the concept is the same. I learned BEDMAS... Brackets, Exponents, Division and Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction.
@meghnac78
@meghnac78 11 ай бұрын
Yep. I learned BODMAS as well (of just meant exponent) :) Got 165 as well.
@mkovis8587
@mkovis8587 11 ай бұрын
What's the point of a pnemonic (pedmas) to help you remember when all it does it make you do an error if you don't remember that it actually is pe(dm)(as). I would've expected more logic from math people who came up with this.
@nicholaswion846
@nicholaswion846 11 ай бұрын
When I learned the order of operations, it was presented in a graphical form, with the various groupings on separate lines, with an arrow pointing down on the left, with the label, "Simplify," and an arrow on the right pointing up with the label, "Solve." That way it was clear that multiplication and division were in the same class of operations, and addition and subtraction were in a different class of operations from multiplication and division, but were in the same class as each other. The teacher gave extra credit on tests if you drew the graphic on the upper right side of the test paper, and he would indeed occasionally have questions where you were asked to, "Solve," instead of, "Simplify," and to get the correct answer it was necessary to reverse the order of operations. That was over 30 years ago, and I still remember every detail of that graphic, so it was entirely effective.
@DEXATUA
@DEXATUA 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I solved this with bedmas as well 👐
@cannonball7984
@cannonball7984 11 ай бұрын
@@mkovis8587*mnemonic
@Snarkapotamus
@Snarkapotamus Жыл бұрын
42. The answer to everything in the universe .. except this. It's 165 3(5 + 20 / 2 x 5) = 3(5 + 10 x 5) = 3(5 + 50) = 3(55) = 165
@rosemarymalcolm9118
@rosemarymalcolm9118 11 ай бұрын
Hello, I am British and we use BODMAS, eg Brackets, Of (to the power of), Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction. Using this mnemonic means you don’t have to complicate the process further by having to remember to check on the order of the division and multiplication within the brackets. Division is always carried out first ie before multiplication.
@FranklinThe1
@FranklinThe1 10 ай бұрын
No in Bodmas what you do is based on going left to right in the equation in this case divsion comes first in the equation (going from left to right) so you do division first but if the multiplication came first left to right then multiplication would come first.
@josh8584
@josh8584 7 ай бұрын
@@FranklinThe1You’re right but they’re not wrong. Doing division first always gives the correct answer because it’s simply multiplication by the reciprocal of the number following the division symbol, and it doesn’t matter what order you multiply in. There’s no reason to go left to right. Just understand what division actually is and you’ll be fine. I hate the people just mindlessly repeat rules they’ve learned without understanding them.
@thesmithsmaf
@thesmithsmaf 7 ай бұрын
Yes thats right we use BODMAS in UK and use the nifty expression Bugger Old Dad! Mums Arse Sags - so as to handily recall it when doing operations
@stephencooney6509
@stephencooney6509 10 ай бұрын
Instead of PEMDAS I taught my students PEMoDAoS, the little "o" stands for OR, when confronted by the same level of operation the one that comes first working left to right (the same direction we read) is the one acted upon. I had the kids make up their own sayings to remind themselves, the best was "Perform Each Math Operation During Algebra On Schedule". When the kids become invested they own it!!
@joycewilliams8111
@joycewilliams8111 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant ! Your students mnemonic makes more sense than any others I've seen. Congratulations. You are the kind of math teacher that can open their minds to the joy of numbers! I salute you.
@davidkettell5726
@davidkettell5726 11 ай бұрын
When i did math in the sixties the way this is written the answer would be 7.5 . We were taught to figure inside the parentheses first. 5*20 =25 divided by 2*5 =10 answer 2.5 *3 =7.5
@TampaCEO
@TampaCEO Жыл бұрын
I got 165 and did it in my head. I was lucky to get a really good education growing up. I guess it comes down to the luck of where you live and which school you get to go to. Thanks for sharing this lesson.
@KungFuTze
@KungFuTze 11 ай бұрын
Another method to help you with PEMDAS (or confuse you more ;-) ) is keeping in mind that a **division is just a multiplication of the inverse value or reciprocal so that will transform your problem to: 3 ( 5 + 20 * 1/2 * 5 ) or 3(5 + 20*.5 * 5) , so now the division disappears and you do left to right multiplications in order first. 3 ( 5 + 10 * 5 ) => 3 * (5 + 50) , 3 (55) = 165 or when you are down to 3*( 5 + 50 ) , you could use the distributive principle you use in algebra of a (b+c) = (ab+ac); (3*5 + 3*50) = (15+150) = 165 to verify that you answer is right. Keep in mind that PEMDAS is just a trick for your to remember order of operations, but as you learn more math there are other tools that will help you gain speed or find easier ways to solve problems that might be more relatable on how your own brain works. This is fine example of how simple arithmetic is a foundation block for algebra, geometry, trigonometry, pre-calc + more. **Note: this is mostly true with integers and rational numbers, you run into some issues later in life in computing, software, with irrational and imaginary numbers like pi. :P
@drift_ah1518
@drift_ah1518 11 ай бұрын
a faster way to do this in this example is 3 ( 5 + 20 / 2 * 5 ) = 3x5 (1+10) = 15 x 11 = 165
@martinbrenner6664
@martinbrenner6664 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, this is great. I don’t really need it, but I love knowing how to do it. Even though I could have used it 45 years ago.👍🏻
@gogkrakenx8288
@gogkrakenx8288 11 ай бұрын
Appreciate this content! Wholesome, true, and even though I got 21 initially: you were not condemning.❤
@billregan3232
@billregan3232 10 ай бұрын
Likewise here...
@Kno_Buddy
@Kno_Buddy 11 ай бұрын
I was taught Parentheses in order from left to right, then Exponents from left to right, then, Multiplication and Division in order from left to right, and finally Addition and Subtraction from left to right. Addition and Subtraction were equal in that you don’t prioritize one over the other and same with multiplication and division, you just do whichever appears first so 3x(5+20/2x5) 3x(5+10x5) 3x(5+50) 3x55 165 I’m really not a math fan, but my favorite math classes in school were business math and data analysis & statistics. To me they were fairly simple and the teachers I had were amazing. The business math teacher was a very kind and understanding professor who was very good at explaining it so that you got it the first time and he didn’t even make us get the book, he just read from his own and we all worked the problems out together. My data analysis and statistics professor didn’t make us get the book either and he actually introduced a lot of humor into his teaching style, but he had that really dark and sarcastic type of humor like mine, but he was never mean about it and genuinely cared about helping you learn. With the war on teachers in this country the last few years I really hope they haven’t been burnt out by it, especially since I live in a deep red, but northern red state.
@OhNoNotAgain42
@OhNoNotAgain42 Жыл бұрын
Practical comment: As a 35+ year engineer… just use extra sets of parentheses. Or break it up into smaller parts. Or both. Other people may be looking at your work. Regardless of the correct “rules” it’s better to clearly communicate what you are doing … don’t assume that the other people know the rules as well as you do.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 Жыл бұрын
"As a 35+ year engineer… just use extra sets of parentheses." And then everyone would get the same answer and it would not be clickbait. There's dozens of these videos with minor variations so we can argue about it.
@ArjanKop
@ArjanKop Жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaughan4798 they are nice, though, but of little practical use.
@oldfarthacks
@oldfarthacks Жыл бұрын
Very true, be explicit in how you want the problem to proceed. The best way is to design the problem so that it will give the right answer if it is fed into any computer on the planet. If it will not, then clarify.
@kevinreist7718
@kevinreist7718 Жыл бұрын
As a fellow engineer, (since Mar 1980, 43 years 5 months) I totally agree with you, I haven't even watched this video yet but I can clearly see that the equation is very poorly expressed. Just the part inside the parenthesis can be solved as 55 or 7. I'm leaning towards 7 because the video description shows 3 times ( 5 + 20 / 2 x 5 ) and because it's expressed as a fraction, you should solve the denominator first. Then, you have 5+20/10 or 5+2=7 Making the overall equation 3(7) or 21. Now I'll watch it and I'm probably wrong. Yeah, according to the video, I was wrong. But the fraction 20/2X5 does equal 2 and then, 5+2=7. At least he admits that math teachers do try to trick their students. He says it's to see who was paying attention in class, However, he doesn't go into the actual psychology behind this, which gives you the real reason, they do it to boost their own EGOs. They do it to feel smarter than their students, by tricking them. Tricking them doesn't make them better teachers. Rather, it allows them to ease their own inferiority complex and feel better about themselves (probably because they were called nerds, or geeks, so often in high school). It has nothing to do actually with teaching the students. I hope he was able to boost his own EGO with this video and then, he can feel better about himself. 3(5(20/2)+5) would have been a much better way to express the intent of this equation. It communicates the intent more clearly because you're not trying to trick your intended audience. I gave your comment a like. Have yourself a great day!
@workrmtly5582
@workrmtly5582 Жыл бұрын
Spot on!
@tommybotts
@tommybotts 9 ай бұрын
1) Divide 20 by 2 = 10 2) Multiply 10 x 5 = 50 3) Add 5 + 50 = 55 4) Multiply 3 x 55 5) Answer - 165
@Rachel-lb5dh
@Rachel-lb5dh 4 ай бұрын
John, I love your math channel. I am a math person as well! Numbers & Math are the universal language. I think we should connect one day, I believe we would get along extremely well! Hope you channel continues to prosper!
@TheTekSone
@TheTekSone Жыл бұрын
I was taught PEMDAS (Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally) and got 165. 3(5 +20/2 x 5) = 3(5 +10 x 5) = 3(5 +50) = 3(55) = 165 Edit: I was taught PEMDAS in 6th grade and reminded again in Algebra
@ja-ni-ce1193
@ja-ni-ce1193 Жыл бұрын
I got it right to! 😉👍=165
@lilyz2156
@lilyz2156 Жыл бұрын
I was never great at math and I as well was taught this in 6th grade and my achilles heel Algebra as well. So proud of myself I got it right too! And remembered it!
@liamoshea9383
@liamoshea9383 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was BEDMAS- BRACKETS EXPONENTS DIVISION MULTIPLICATION ADDITION SUBTRACTION. There is not a aunt Sally in math. At least it is in Canada
@Thumper770
@Thumper770 Жыл бұрын
3(5+20/2x5) PEMDAS Inside parenthesis Parentheses: ... Exponents: .... Multiplication: 2x5=10 Division: 20/10=2 Addition: 5+2=7 Subtraction: ... Outside Prentheses P: ... E: ... M: 3x7=21 D: ... A: ... S: ... The answer is 21.
@DukeOfChirk
@DukeOfChirk Жыл бұрын
BODMAS brackets Of. As in ‘power of’ Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction Following these rules, I got 165 I know BODMAS is different to BEDMAS or PEDMAS, but it means the same thing and I’ve remembered BODMAS for 40 or more years! So my teacher managed to jam this into my head that’s lasted almost half a century
@ceg2235
@ceg2235 Жыл бұрын
I love this!!! Back in college, I majored in math and I love solving problems so this was easy for me. Needless to say, my nieces and nephews and grandkids all call me when they need help with their math homework - because according to them, I explain it "way" better than their teachers can! However, trying to help them solve complex math problems over the phone is a pain - especially when I'm at work or at the grocery store! Because well, when solving any math problem, it's all about the visuals! Sadly, I'd say that 95% of people who think they're bad at math, really aren't. They've just never had the benefit of a great math teacher to visually explain the proper steps to follow when solving a problem. I tell my grandkids to always follow each step and that a single problem can take up to a half a page to solve, and extremely complex problems will take up the entire page - front and back! Knowing the proper steps and following those steps exactly, will ensure success. After watching your videos, I have to tell you that you sir, are a fantastic math teacher! Not only is your voice very calming, your visuals are the best I've seen! This is exactly the way I have shown my kids and grandkids how to solve a problem - only this is better! Your use of the green "chalkboard" style screen, combined with your use of fonts and explanation of proper procedure is extremely effective. It's so easy to understand, follow and comprehend. I just forwarded your channel to my entire family! The kids will be starting school in a couple weeks, so I told their parents to subscribe to your channel and to start watching one or two of your videos every day. I told them to make a game out of each video by having everyone solve the problem on their own, then watch the video to see who got it right! By turning it into a game, it makes it fun for the entire family and the kids (and parents) get a refresher course so they're prepared when they go back to school - creating an everlasting boost to their confidence. I'm so thankful I found your channel. You are a Godsend to both parents and kids who struggle with math! Your channel is a game changer! Thank you so, so much! 💙💯
@respectbigman3133
@respectbigman3133 Жыл бұрын
answer is easy 21
@musicandbooklover-p2o
@musicandbooklover-p2o Жыл бұрын
I used to find I didn't understand the way our teachers explained things - this was New Zealand in the 1970s - but I easily understood the way my father explained how to do the equations - he was taught in England, 1930s/40s. I don't understand the modern ways at all and I not only enjoy maths/arithmetic but am generally fairly good at it - don't like using calculators though - and I can't understand why people now say that the ways they were taught in the UK as kids give different answers to those I get because my dad was educated there and the ways he used and taught me were the same as our teachers used in NZ, but which now appear to be totally different to those taught in the UK. Very confusing and can only guess they changed their teaching methods some time after the 1940s for some reason.
@petermoua4583
@petermoua4583 11 ай бұрын
i only read like 2 sentences but i’m gonna go ahead and guess you’re a english major also cuz damn that’s an essay.
@ghenulo
@ghenulo 11 ай бұрын
When a teacher asked me to explain why something's done in a certain way, my only response was "because you said so". Beyond basic arithmetic, math makes absolutely no sense (and I was never good at word problems, even in basic arithmetic). I majored in Computer Science in college, but I wasn't able to take any programming courses because I couldn't pass Algebra. (Well, I took JavaScript from another college based on a technicality; the professor didn't know why I was in the class since I was already good at JavaScript, but I thought it would be an easy elective; I got in a tiny argument because the textbook said to use document.write() in an XHTML document and brought up that write() is part of the HTML DOM but not the XML DOM so you have to use methods like createElement(), createTextNode(), and appendChild() to properly add new content to an XHTML document (eh, I did it properly regardless of what the textbook and the professor had to say about it)).
@Songwryt1
@Songwryt1 11 ай бұрын
Back when I was a child and dinosaurs ruled the earth, MD meant multiplication AND division, left to right; then AD meant addition AND subtraction, left to right. The answer would be 165.
@partyguinness
@partyguinness 11 ай бұрын
7.5 was my answer..Making an error? That’s how I was taught how to do it…😢 never heard of PEDMAS. I probably should stay away from my son’s math homework.
@zaratron
@zaratron 11 ай бұрын
Plus and minus come in which ever order they come first X and : come in which ever order they come first. In this, here is the 4 second easy calculation that ran in my head: 20/2=10 10x5=50 5+50=55 3x55=110+55=165
@sandral.2828
@sandral.2828 11 ай бұрын
That’s what came into my head right away too.
@cadesigl7845
@cadesigl7845 11 ай бұрын
Thank you Mesiah. I have finally found someone who has taugh basic arithmetic to me!
@dabj9546
@dabj9546 11 ай бұрын
The order of plus and minus doesn't matter
@slipperyhand
@slipperyhand 11 ай бұрын
Im an electrician and im always confused with plus and minus
@russelldeitch5765
@russelldeitch5765 11 ай бұрын
In early teaching, ÷ said any function to the right first then the ÷ so 20 ÷ (2 x 5).
@feurigerStern
@feurigerStern Жыл бұрын
3[5+(20÷2)×5] --> 3[5+(10×5)] --> 3(5+50) --> 3×55 = 165
@weebee6922
@weebee6922 11 ай бұрын
ya took me less time than you to write that.
@putinscat1208
@putinscat1208 11 ай бұрын
I agree, this is basic order of precedence.
@alan4sure
@alan4sure 11 ай бұрын
​@@weebee6922me too.
@druu9
@druu9 11 ай бұрын
Thank you
@Jen0714
@Jen0714 11 ай бұрын
I was correct. All thanks to the tutoring my father, a civil engineer, gave me from grade school through college. God I miss him.
@benvergus1573
@benvergus1573 11 ай бұрын
Got this one right, even though math used to be my worst subject ^-^ After getting a very bad grade at algebra, I started practicing it alot and actually started to enjoy it alot. Eventually I got one of the highest grades of the class and was alot of fun, like just making puzzles. Glad to see some still stuck ^^
@emeryltekutsu4357
@emeryltekutsu4357 11 ай бұрын
Yup, immediately realized people get it wrong because they're doing the addition first.
@banedon8087
@banedon8087 Жыл бұрын
Before watching the video: 20 / 2 = 10 10 x 5 = 50 5 + 50 = 55 3 x 55 = 165 [edit] And I was correct. I win... something. Probably.
@ujimajame4601
@ujimajame4601 11 ай бұрын
My answer was the same and I followed the same steps (MDAS).
@elainekilgore1352
@elainekilgore1352 Жыл бұрын
I did that totally wrong by addition first and dividing the sum by the multiplied sum. 3(25/10)=7.5. That’s quite a difference. Thanks for reminding me of the order.
@alicejackson7676
@alicejackson7676 Жыл бұрын
Me too. 7.5
@elainekilgore1352
@elainekilgore1352 Жыл бұрын
@@alicejackson7676, I thought I was alone. It’s so nice to have company. 😁
@SpideyVids
@SpideyVids Жыл бұрын
That's exactly the way I was taught back in the 60s and 70s and I still think it's the right way. I nearly always get different answers to this guy.
@silvermane9370
@silvermane9370 Жыл бұрын
This is the way i was taught at school. After four decades in business i never get my figures wrong. I would be interested when and where the maths was changed.
@jchany137
@jchany137 Жыл бұрын
That’s what I got too. 7.5
@redroo689
@redroo689 10 ай бұрын
Maths is about clear expression. Define the problem in clear terms. Do not set out to confuse.
@texashowdy2201
@texashowdy2201 11 ай бұрын
The critical clarifying moment that you presented here is the insertion of the simple word "OR" in the PEMDAS sequence. I don't recall ever hearing it simplified that way by any math teacher back in the day or in any other KZfaq presentations. I take my hat off to you in thanks, sir!
@robertromig90
@robertromig90 11 ай бұрын
My teachers never got it to me either. They taught us how to do it but told us to go in order of letters, not multiplication or division. Multiplication, then division is what we were taught. I don't think my teacher was that skilled in math and just tried using the book with the answers in it. You can't teach somebody how to do something if you don't know how to do it yourself though.
@brendanh8193
@brendanh8193 11 ай бұрын
This actually shocks me. I remember several teachers saying or. Another way of thinking about it is, if there is a run of multiple and division operations in a row, they all are acting on the first number.
@clv603
@clv603 11 ай бұрын
@@brendanh8193 that's still not 100% intuitively clear. Left-to-right is necessary because division is essentially a fractional expression. 1 ÷ 4 and 1/4 is the same thing. Left-ro-right means you resolve the fraction into a whole number before multiplying by a whole number. If you go right-ro-left, you accidentally multiply the denominator by a whole number. The most intuitive way to understand this is 1 ÷ 4 × 5 is to convert it to (1/4) × (5/1). Now you're multiplying two fractions, (numerator × numerator) / (denominator × denominator). This is easier to understand when you have something like 1 ÷ 3 × 5. If you do left to right, 1 ÷ 3 doesn't resolve to a whole number. It's a fraction with repeating decimal .333333... Decimals are weird and confusing, especially repeating decimals. You run into problems of precision using them in calculations which is why representing them as fractional expressions is preferred, especially in equations with irrational numbers (pi, square root of 2, etc).
@djslip_irie
@djslip_irie 11 ай бұрын
It’s even easier in Canada we were taught Bedmas. Which dosent allow for the mistake of doing the M first.
@davidraen7017
@davidraen7017 11 ай бұрын
The important thing to realize is that division is just multiplication by the reciprocal and subtraction is just addition of a negative number. So really it should just be taught as PEMA and perhaps people would be less confused.
@JustCherylLynn
@JustCherylLynn Жыл бұрын
My lord if you were my teacher I would be great at math. Your voice isn't threatening and your teaching is superb. I commend you and I thank you for posting your knowledge and your spirit comes through to teach younger people and adults like myself how to properly understand math. I applaud you, your parents and all of your teachers. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🎉😊
@PopsieLouisiana59
@PopsieLouisiana59 Жыл бұрын
My son had a young lady fresh out of teaching college who taught high school math. She was awesome. He was an engineer.
@nukasnook1561
@nukasnook1561 Жыл бұрын
Agree ... we need more efficient teachers. I have a friend who is becoming a teacher and she can't spell. That immediately limits her effectiveness as a teacher.
@JohnFourtyTwo
@JohnFourtyTwo Жыл бұрын
@@nukasnook1561Nothing worse than an illiterate teacher. I had an English teacher about 50 years ago who couldn’t pronounce Yosemite, she called it Yo-see-mite but she was thankful when I told her the correct pronunciation Yo-sim-a-tee.
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnFourtyTwo Another way of saying "Yosemite" is "the most fabulously beautiful place to visit" - especially in the months of May and June when the snowmelt fills the waterfalls and Merced River. Great that you taught the teacher how to say the name of this most wonderful place.
@nukasnook1561
@nukasnook1561 Жыл бұрын
Heh I live in New Zealand and I know the correct rendering of Yosemite.
@FraJackG
@FraJackG 11 ай бұрын
It depends how in-depth you want to take it. The actual answer is 1 Look at the question ' what is first? ' of the 3 digit answer 165, the first digit is 1
@Nickname_42
@Nickname_42 11 ай бұрын
Bing, 00:34 The expression 3 times ( 5 + 20 / 2 x 5 ) can be simplified by following the order of operations, which is parentheses, exponents, multiplication and division, and addition and subtraction. First, we solve the expression inside the parentheses by doing the division and then the multiplication. We get: 3 times ( 5 + 20 / 2 x 5 ) = 3 times ( 5 + 10 x 5 ) Then, we do the addition inside the parentheses and get: 3 times ( 5 + 10 x 5 ) = 3 times ( 55 ) Finally, we do the multiplication outside the parentheses and get: 3 times ( 55 ) = 165 Therefore, the answer is 165. If you want to check your answer or learn more about the order of operations, you can visit the following websites:
@carolynstewart8465
@carolynstewart8465 11 ай бұрын
I'm 75 and terrible in math but I'm doing these to work my old brain. Thank you!
@breakmylegs7294
@breakmylegs7294 11 ай бұрын
I got 65
@ChasOnErie
@ChasOnErie 11 ай бұрын
75 .. your a kid😀😀
@littlebrookreader949
@littlebrookreader949 Жыл бұрын
I am so excited! I got165! YES! I do not remember being taught this loooooong ago! (I remembered it from one of your previous videos, I think!). Thanks!
@wendynine-sc2sv
@wendynine-sc2sv Жыл бұрын
Got it this time! Yippee!!...❤...
@twinlions8955
@twinlions8955 Ай бұрын
Delirious here. Got it right! You’re a great teacher, but I needed clarification and listened to another educator who said we always move from left to right and m/d means either procedure , but if division comes first, do division.. you’re good, thank you! Wanna give us some homework?
@lukeelliff8121
@lukeelliff8121 11 ай бұрын
Fun idea. Remove all divisions with reciprocal multiplication. 3(5+20×0.5×5) makes way more sense 😊
@matthewsharpe393
@matthewsharpe393 11 ай бұрын
Or... you could just do division 😂
@human7491
@human7491 11 ай бұрын
But this way, you can invert the order.
@MrThechadman24
@MrThechadman24 11 ай бұрын
​@@matthewsharpe393I bet you're real fun at parties.
@matthewsharpe393
@matthewsharpe393 11 ай бұрын
@@MrThechadman24 I'm introverted. Don't care about being fun at parties. Thanks though
@GanonTEK
@GanonTEK Жыл бұрын
You can see in the comments exactly why the International Organisation of Standardisation exists and why specifically ISO-80000-1 exists. It says when writing division on one line with multiplication or division directly after that brackets are *required* to remove ambiguity. Never write 20÷2×5 It is (20÷2)×5 or 20÷(2×5). Those are acceptable. Many are taught M is higher priority than D and some books do use that convention (and I don't just mean for multiplication by juxtaposition specifically) and that leads to the general mistake of 20÷2×5 = 20÷10. Avoid the mistake by writing properly on the first place. Use two line fractions as these are best practice.
@BrianHolmes
@BrianHolmes 11 ай бұрын
It's written as twenty over two times five which equals two. If it were written as twenty over two, times five it would equal fifty. BOMDAS and PEMDAS are tools more than rules. Brackets matter and cannot be arbitrarily added or subtracted without changing the equation.
@violettownmicroenterprises1528
@violettownmicroenterprises1528 11 ай бұрын
I won't refer to the international standard here, however, a comma in the correct position, makes your comment far less ambiguous.
@stanecauldable
@stanecauldable 11 ай бұрын
@@violettownmicroenterprises1528 actually there should be two commas. Don't point out an error with another error :)
@GanonTEK
@GanonTEK 11 ай бұрын
Wouldn't one comma clear it up enough? While 20 over 2 times 5 is ambiguous. Does 20, over 2 times 5 imply 20/(2×5)? although I can see 20, over, 2 times 5 being better for 20/(2×5) 20 over 2, times 5 is pretty clear to be (20/2)×5 though even though you could write 20, over 2, times 5 either. So, maybe one or two commas, depending on the situation?
@Andrew-it7fb
@Andrew-it7fb 11 ай бұрын
If you actually understand the fact that multiplication and division are the same operation then it makes no sense for one to have priority over the other. The problem is that people try to remember PEMDAS and don't actually understand what they're doing.
@elizabethashton9590
@elizabethashton9590 Жыл бұрын
I didn't enjoy math in high school, but I only had basic business math. When I stated college part-time, I had to take pre-algebra and learned to love quadratic equations. BUT outside of school and the fields of science and engineering, does this truly matter. I must say that after taking my math classes required with my degree, I never needed to use it again.
@davidthompson9368
@davidthompson9368 11 ай бұрын
I follow BIDMAS (Brackets, Indicies, Division, Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction) If you come across (Multiplication and Division) do them left to right regardless If you come across (Addition and Subtraction) do them left to right regardless If you see numbers together with no sign multiply them. Would love to know if any of that is wrong every day should be a learning one. 20 / 2 = 10 10 x 5 = 50 5 + 50 = 55 3(55) is the same as 3 x 55 = 165
@larrybuckner8619
@larrybuckner8619 Жыл бұрын
I have been a machinist and a fabricator and a carpenter in my lifetime and I’ve never run up on one situation where I used any equation like this. I couldn’t figure out in school why they were teaching me this and now I’m 52 and still don’t know why.
@rthompson7282
@rthompson7282 11 ай бұрын
You might think you have not have used what you learned in math, but you've probably used the logic and problem solving skills you learned without realizing.
@ckwi2245
@ckwi2245 11 ай бұрын
@@rthompson7282 It's not so much the basic math is of no use. It's that writing a practical problem in this way is something a non-mathematics professional would never do. Effectively as he mentions around 10:25 it's made in a way that is intentionally deceptive. In most practical applications of math, you end up being held accountable for the result of the use of the math, so if something is written in a way that could seemingly done multiple ways and the wrong one is chosen, liability for the outcome becomes a concern. Mathematician's don't have this issue. Like @larrybuckner8619 mentioned, machinist, fabricator, and carpenter, his head or a coworkers head would be on the chopping block should something unfortunate happen due to writing an equation in this way. At best, this use of presentation in math, is a good example of what NOT to do in terms of learning logic and problem solving skills, because it eschews common logic and practical use in favor of requiring rote memorization and convoluted presentation to create a problem in need of solving, neither of which is of any direct practical use.
@bozzhughes6101
@bozzhughes6101 11 ай бұрын
the beauty of mathematics and how finite it is in a disorderly society has an appeal. wish i was better at it but i do understand the appeal
@violettownmicroenterprises1528
@violettownmicroenterprises1528 11 ай бұрын
If you would have done an electrical apprenticeship, you'd understand why...
@the_light_wins1718
@the_light_wins1718 11 ай бұрын
Me too . I worked in dentistry and never used it , not in the last 22 years anyway
@survivrs
@survivrs Жыл бұрын
This is the first video of yours that I have seen, and I WILL be subscribing just to try and re-learn what I've forgotten from 9th grade Algebra I in 1973. I struggled with math beginning in 4th grade. Our teacher was Asian, his IQ was probably at least 200, the whispers in my class were that he could make a perfect circle on the chalk board, and they were right. His accent, his IQ, and the speed of what he wrote on the blackboard was faster than I could understand, and he didn't repeat things. That was my first year of fractions, and with each year after that, I struggled so hard, and when it was time to sign up for classes in 9th grade (still junior high) for math, there were 2 options. General Math or Algebra I. That was an easy choice for me, General Math. On day 1, I was nervous and happy all at the same time because I felt like it was something that would be easy for me. Sort of like some of my other classes were. My teacher was probably around the age of 60, and very easy to pay attention to. After day 2, he asked me to stay after class, and I was petrified. I went to his desk as the class emptied, and he asked me "why did you sign up for this class"? I hung my head (I was terrified of my own shadow) and told him of my difficulties with math and that I thought I would do better in General Math. He then told me that he also taught the Algebra 1 class, and he was sure that I could do it, and he wanted me to give it a try, and if I couldn't do it, I could go back to the simpler math. Having him tell me that he thought I could do it was something I wasn't very used to hearing, but I went to Algebra I the next day and I stayed in his class, never getting below an A- on anything. I was even raising my hand to answer questions-that was new for me also. That man made me believe in myself more than any other person in my life including my parents. So for High School, I joined my classmates in Algebra II. Totally different teacher, and I fell behind quickly. I barely got through the semester without failing, I dropped it after that first semester, and never took another math class. Little did I know how much math would be part of my life for 18 years of working in Ophthalmology. It was only dealing with positive and negative numbers, but I could rattle those numbers off, I had a great understanding of how crucial my numbers were for the surgeons, and while I never needed Algebra II, I climbed the ladder to the top rung one step at a time, always grateful for that one teacher who believed in me. Sorry for the book, I will sub you now that I've learned something from you. Your voice is calm just like my teacher who I wish I could have thanked for what he did for a farm girl who didn't think she would go far in life, but I did. God bless good teachers everywhere.
@nicholasharvey1232
@nicholasharvey1232 11 ай бұрын
Since multiplication and division have equal weight, I did the 20÷2×5 part from left to right to reduce that to 50. Then I added 5 to the resulting 50 inside the parentheses to reduce that to one term, 55. Then just multiply the 3 on the far left by that. The answer is 165.
@seph.
@seph. 11 ай бұрын
Clearly does not have equal weight. If they had equal weight, you could multiply first in the "20/2*5", get 2 as a result and you would be right. You would be wrong though.
@nIghtorius
@nIghtorius 11 ай бұрын
@@seph. Yeah they do have equal weight. But you always solve from left to right. Therefore you do first the division and then the multplication. (20/2*5 => 10*5 => 50)
@seph.
@seph. 11 ай бұрын
@@nIghtorius shouldn't i be able to solve right to left, if equal weight?
@nIghtorius
@nIghtorius 11 ай бұрын
@@seph. when equal weight you solve from left to right.
@seph.
@seph. 11 ай бұрын
@@nIghtorius i want to do right to left though. Equal weight, so shouldn't matter.
@mikeo9863
@mikeo9863 11 ай бұрын
The world (and KZfaq) really needed another PEMDAS video
@jh76103
@jh76103 Жыл бұрын
I was never taught any of this and got 187.5. Thank you for the lesson!
@JWS1313
@JWS1313 Жыл бұрын
Yikes we must be on a similar brainwave as I got the same answer as you when I did it before watching the actual video.
@hcox1111
@hcox1111 Жыл бұрын
That is what I thought is that correct?
@dolorescritandi3426
@dolorescritandi3426 Жыл бұрын
Agree with this number
@cssimps
@cssimps Жыл бұрын
This is the same # I got as well
@MLennholm
@MLennholm 11 ай бұрын
@@hcox1111No
@mrrossie
@mrrossie Жыл бұрын
I got 165 too, we were taught BODMAS at school. Brackets, orders, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction.
@gravyz2cute4u
@gravyz2cute4u Жыл бұрын
Same, but I learned BOMDAS 😅
@patsavage1245
@patsavage1245 11 ай бұрын
@@gravyz2cute4u Which just shows you, It's just an agreed method.
@scarekrooo2489
@scarekrooo2489 11 ай бұрын
BODMAS Brackets Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction 20/2=10x5=50+5=55x3=165
@leericketson8393
@leericketson8393 11 ай бұрын
Basic computing: from left to right 1) multiplication 2) division 3) addition 4) subtraction. Work inside parentheses first.
@petersearls4443
@petersearls4443 10 ай бұрын
Multiply and divide have the same precedence as do add and subtract.
@Ralphie_Boy
@Ralphie_Boy Жыл бұрын
*At 66 years old, it's never too late to re-energize one's brain, thank you, professor!* 👍
@violettownmicroenterprises1528
@violettownmicroenterprises1528 11 ай бұрын
good vintage 😁
@ChasOnErie
@ChasOnErie 11 ай бұрын
You are a kid at 66😀😀
@melissaliley7265
@melissaliley7265 Жыл бұрын
Learned PEMDAS from you yesterday and solved this one quickly!
@sherryroberts7716
@sherryroberts7716 11 ай бұрын
I am 73 freaking years old and absolutely LOVE mathematics! When I had knee replacement surgery, there was a LOT of bed rest! I bought an algebra book and just worked problems, progressively more difficult, hour upon hour! I really enjoyed those weeks!! Love your method of teaching!
@DanEBoyd
@DanEBoyd 9 ай бұрын
Wow, your videos have shown me exactly where I stopped learning math around the eighth grade. (Where I was still getting in trouble for working the problems in my head.) I never learned PEMDAS, but it was not for a lack of people trying to teach me. I just didn't much care about school. Not knowing PEMDAS must be what doomed me to failure in pretty much all higher levels of math, I somehow passed algebra one, parts one and two, in ninth and tenth grades. I failed algebra two as a junior, and took geometry, (which I actually enjoyed and did well) as a senior. This is the third video of yours I've watched now, and the first one which I was able to answer correctly!
@KaizenHydraxis
@KaizenHydraxis 11 ай бұрын
You can also use the distributive property to convert the equation to 15+60÷6×15 = 165
@FireFoxie1345
@FireFoxie1345 11 ай бұрын
It is better and easier to not distribute until the stuff inside is as simplify as it gets.
@genoric4094
@genoric4094 11 ай бұрын
@@FireFoxie1345In the case of this problem that just depends on who you ask
@m.a.stough4994
@m.a.stough4994 11 ай бұрын
This is the smartest solution for an equation written poorly as the first commenter stated. Using distribution completely eliminates the ‘left to right’ “rule” which none of us were ever taught after being told MD comes before AS.
@w.geoffreyspaulding6588
@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 11 ай бұрын
When did they start PEMDAS? I graduated high school 1965…..never heard of this.
@wwiiinplastic4712
@wwiiinplastic4712 11 ай бұрын
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 I had it in the 70s, so pretty soon after you got out I guess. A decade later?
@alfredvikingelegant9156
@alfredvikingelegant9156 Жыл бұрын
Thank you teacher! I'm a frenchman of 71. I never heard about PEMDAS or equivalent in french before you spoke about it! And though my english is far to be perfect, i understood your whole explanations and i'm very glad of this. I have to precise that when i was young, i hated mathematics and the teachers in this discipline. Now i notice that i understand very easily, and in english! So i have to consider nowadays, that i am a little bit smarter than a nut... What a great satisfaction !😊😉
@RS-Amsterdam
@RS-Amsterdam 11 ай бұрын
12765 .......ahh close, but no sigar
@alfredvikingelegant9156
@alfredvikingelegant9156 11 ай бұрын
@@RS-Amsterdam ???
@4EverBanishment
@4EverBanishment 11 ай бұрын
I believe other teachers I forgot where teaching B.O.D.M.A.S rather than P.E.M.D.A.S
@RS-Amsterdam
@RS-Amsterdam 11 ай бұрын
@@alfredvikingelegant9156 🤪
@hamstermc7807
@hamstermc7807 11 ай бұрын
La première fois que j'ai appris l'ordre des opérations, c'était en français, mais je viens des États-Unis. Mon école primaire avait un programme d'immersion, donc mes cours de mathématiques et de sciences étaient tous en français pendant cinq ou six ans. Quelle coïncidence intéressante ! (pardonnez-moi s’il vous plaît d'utiliser un programme de traduction, mais je fais encore moins confiance à ma grammaire sans lui. Cela fait longtemps que je n'ai pas pratiqué!)
@swites
@swites 11 ай бұрын
That's interesting. When I was in school in NZ we were taught BEDMAS (Brackets, exponents, division , addition subtraction). Which is slightly different to PEMDAS. But then if MD and AS are equal and you go left to right in that PEMDAS instance it doesn't really matter which you use, I still got the right answer of 165.
@mcurry0115
@mcurry0115 11 ай бұрын
165 (20/2) = 10 10 * 5 = 50 50 + 5 = 55 (calculated inside the parentheses first with multiplication or division read left to right first come first serve) Then 55 * 3 Even though the multiplication math operator is missing from the written equation it is in the written text. 165 is answer
@azizamjoojoo3054
@azizamjoojoo3054 11 ай бұрын
I learned BEDMAS back in the day. Brackets, Exponents, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction. 👌
@BigJoethib
@BigJoethib 11 ай бұрын
that's the method our high school math teacher taught us as well
@dulcinealee3933
@dulcinealee3933 11 ай бұрын
Yep that is what I learnt as well . Is maths not a universal language anymore?
@kdizzle901
@kdizzle901 11 ай бұрын
See I was taught PEMDAS
@waterjade4198
@waterjade4198 11 ай бұрын
@@kdizzle901 Brackets vs. Parentheses... same thing, just different words. It's like bathroom vs washroom vs water closet vs loo etc. You're really trying to say the same thing, just using different words depending on where you're from. As for the switch of the D and M, they're the same grouping, so it really doesn't matter which order they go in. Maybe in PEMDAS rolled off the tongue more easily for your region...
@waterjade4198
@waterjade4198 11 ай бұрын
@@dulcinealee3933 Yes math is still a universal language, but English is not. Specifically, words used varies depending on the region you're from. The perfect example is your use of the word maths vs my use of the word math. Same thing, slightly different word based on where we're from.
@carilariviere505
@carilariviere505 Жыл бұрын
I am actually quite proud of myself. NO ONE could ever make math make sense to me in school; At first I solved it incorrectly but as soon as I saw it written with a proper division sign opposed to the forward slash, which I also recognized as divide; I knew to do the division before the multiplication and got it right. And all in my head. Major accomplishment for me!!😀 I'm quite sure I couldn't pass a grade 8 math exam though....
@LeeWaters-dj3zu
@LeeWaters-dj3zu 10 ай бұрын
I'm going back a long time now, roughly 37 years but I was taught bodmas, meaning B. brackets O. of D. division M. multiplication A. addition S. subtraction. Which would be a completely different answer due to a different process. So with all that said are you telling me that I was taught wrong.
@petermeyerhoff8737
@petermeyerhoff8737 9 ай бұрын
A divide sign means invert the next expression and multiply, so first the equation is rewritten 3(5+20x 1over2 x5) The correct procedure is to eliminate all divide signs first. The rule of maths is - you can rewrite any expression as long as you don't change its value. In this case divide by two has the same value as multiply by a half. Be extremely careful using PEDMAS, BODMAS or derivatives there of, it's incorrect and incomplete. Concocted by someone who thinks they can solve string calculations without understanding syntax and nested formulae.
@olgabryant2172
@olgabryant2172 Жыл бұрын
Sure wish you were my math teacher back in the day. Now I lament that I can’t do math and my brain cracks. I enjoy your videos. I don’t feel that I am not capable. Thanks.
@hestiaa9354
@hestiaa9354 Жыл бұрын
I think some people get confused about the MDAS part. That means that Multiplication/Division are on the same level as well as Addition/Subtraction. They are worked right to left-M/D or D/M first-depending how the problem is written. That’s what tripped me up when I first started doing these types of problems.
@ChasOnErie
@ChasOnErie Жыл бұрын
DOES NOT MATTER HOW THE PROBLEM IS WRITTEN …MULTIPLICATION FIRST THAN DIVISION.. Least complex to most !!
@respectbigman3133
@respectbigman3133 Жыл бұрын
what to be confuse of? prentice's , multiplication, division addition subtraction. that's the rule. so in this case the parenthesis makes it 9 then you do the multiplication makes it 18 then addition makes the sawer 21
@laurendoe168
@laurendoe168 Жыл бұрын
@@ChasOnErie Wrong - multiplication is first only if it appears first when read left to right.
@juliecranford534
@juliecranford534 Жыл бұрын
@@respectbigman3133The answer is 165. Multiplication and division are on the same level. You don’t necessarily multiply before you divide. You just work left to right whichever comes first. So first you do everything in the parentheses. Working left to right, divide and multiply first, and then subtract and add, left to right. Then work outside the parentheses. The answer is 165, not 21.
@juliecranford534
@juliecranford534 Жыл бұрын
@@ChasOnErieYou have made up your own rule. The problem is you’re going to get the wrong answer many times. The true rule does not say to always multiply before divide. You work left to right, dividing and multiplying first and then subtracting and adding. The answer is 165.
@tegel69
@tegel69 11 ай бұрын
since / and x and inside () is first it should be kinda read done like this.. 20/2 = 10, 10 x 5 = 50, 50 + 5 =55 and lastly 55 x 3 = 165
@JILL0704USA
@JILL0704USA 11 ай бұрын
I didn't have a good math teacher until my freshman year in college. For years I had struggled with math, although I had the GPA I needed to be accepted by the university. This one professor cleared up the mystery...from that class onward, the rest of my classes were a snap! My 8th grade math teacher was also helpful, but I still had headaches with math. My freshman math prof made all the difference.
@auntiem873
@auntiem873 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was never taught PENDAS. Graduated in 1982, I’m learning it now on KZfaq. I thought it was set in stone. I’m happy to know that it’s not. Thank you for this information.
@brickmn808
@brickmn808 Жыл бұрын
PEDMAS has been taught to everyone who has ever attended school way before we were born. Just because you don't remember doesn't mean you weren't taught it
@ReneeinVirginia
@ReneeinVirginia Жыл бұрын
1981 grad and have never heard of it either. Life would have been easier with pemdas!
@auntiem873
@auntiem873 Жыл бұрын
@@ReneeinVirginia - right! I took algebra in college and I was taught to use 6 different type of formulas to solve such a problem.
@Tmrfe0962
@Tmrfe0962 Жыл бұрын
I’m 61…(gasp) and someone along the way, taught me this…but I didn’t retain it. Today because of your video, I believe I got it! Pemdas! Love it…thank you.
@jgreen5820
@jgreen5820 11 ай бұрын
My maths teacher used to shout at our class and I ended up hating maths because I just didn't understand and was scared to ask. It's so nice seeing and hearing examples like this, it makes me realise just how diabolical our teacher was.
@WblutSundAehre
@WblutSundAehre 11 ай бұрын
I thought I hated math and was just stupid for the LONGEST time.. Then I found out I needed to go past calc2 for the major I wanted and started studying and teaching myself. After about 3 months of self study, I tested into calc1 (highest that could be tested into). On the first day of calc1 my prof said we weren't allowed to use calculators in her class. I almost got up and walked out right then and there. She then asked us to fill out a survey and read through them while we did some self review. She asked me to stay a few minutes after class to talk. I thought she was going to recommend me drop the class (due to missing knowledge since I didn't take trig or geometry). Instead she told me she was impressed I tested in from intermediate algebra to calc1, and not to be scared about the no calculator policy. She said I'd need to study a bit harder since I was missing trig and geometry but she'd help me if I struggled. She made me realize how much I loved math; I got an A+ in her class and decided to minor in mathematics. TLDR: Most math teachers are not good math teachers and will make you hate the subject and think you lack the abilities required. While a good math teacher can almost certainly show you the beauty of mathematics.
@joannelong9014
@joannelong9014 11 ай бұрын
to LIvingRoom TV who wrote, Nobody tell her this isn't algebra......this is just the sort of condescending attitude I faced all those many years ago but now I'm old enough not to have a poor self esteem about not learning algebra. Instead I feel empowered to learn math because of having KZfaq. When I was only 14 we didn't have the internet. We actually had to go to the library to find material to write a paper, go on a road trip with a paper map.....my husband and I drove all the way around our great country two times and we didn't have or need GPS. Anyway LivingRoom TV, I know the sample shown wasn't algebra....I'm learning basic math over again since it's been over 60 years since I took a math class. Give me a break! At least I'm determined to learn it and John is a great teacher. I only wish I'd have someone like him for general math instead of a Marine DI. You should be ashamed of yourself putting down an elder person. Have you no respect???
@CSurf3r
@CSurf3r 11 ай бұрын
Whenever I'm in doubt in cases like this, I convert the divisions into multiplications. So it would be : 3 ( 5 + 20 x ½ x 5) = ? With that, the mistake that leads you to 21 can't happen. 20 x ½ x 5 = ? 10 x 5 = 50 -- or -- 20 x ½ x 5 = ? 20 x 2.5 = 50 -- or even -- 20 x ½ x 5 = ? 100 x ½ = 50 This approach also creates some freedom to choose the simplest calculation.
@nocturnal101ravenous6
@nocturnal101ravenous6 11 ай бұрын
2 does not = 1/2. 2 in fractional representation is 2/1. 1/2 is .5 in fraction. This person is also incorrect the actual answer according to simple math is 21 because multiplication always comes before division in simple math order of operations, to get the answer they wanted you have to either use brackets or put the 3(5+20/2x5) then the answer works out to what they are getting at, the notation was done in a shitty way to trick people the problem is with that notation the answer is 21, complex math or higher meth is different and that comes when you are a physicist or a mathematician and regular order of operations has the problem of creating a paradox. People are being assholes.
@CSurf3r
@CSurf3r 11 ай бұрын
@@nocturnal101ravenous6 🤣
@jcrawford2000
@jcrawford2000 Жыл бұрын
An alternative way, which still honors PEMDAS is to distribute the 3, thereby removing the parenthesis in one step. 3(5 + 20 / 2 x 5) --> 15 + 60 / 6 x 15 Then follow PEMDAS just like he shows for the rest: 15 + 10 x 15 15 + 150 165
@andrewroberts7948
@andrewroberts7948 11 ай бұрын
This comment needs more attention!
@keiranking3778
@keiranking3778 11 ай бұрын
It's how I did it in my head
@alexweymans
@alexweymans 11 ай бұрын
From left to the right. First operations in brackets and point befor line operations. We dont use the cross for multiplikation. We use a single point. Division we dont write the line in between the points.
@rpruneau68
@rpruneau68 6 ай бұрын
The problem with PEDMAS or BODMAS or any other pnuemonic used for order of operations, there are times when parenthesis should be utilized to eliminate ambiguity whenever possible since algorithmns will vary given the slight differences in the order of operations computing methods.
@christiaanherzogenrath8471
@christiaanherzogenrath8471 11 ай бұрын
But to avoid confusion you would always add extra brackets if you are a good communicator.
@Teutonius88
@Teutonius88 11 ай бұрын
I'm a web developer and I do this all the time to avoid confusion.
@survivalrush
@survivalrush 11 ай бұрын
agreed
@toddh2327
@toddh2327 11 ай бұрын
But to avoid confusion you would always add extra brackets; if you are a good communicator. :)
@minyaksayur
@minyaksayur 11 ай бұрын
basically the one who made the question are bad communicator.
@takdraw3394
@takdraw3394 11 ай бұрын
No, I feel that brackets can only add confusion. The rules of math already dictate the order of operations.
@allemander
@allemander 11 ай бұрын
I was part of the 21 answer crowd, unfortunately, but I’m grateful this video explained why I was wrong and how to not make the same mistake again. Thank you. I liked and subscribed.
@Robert-xi6sb
@Robert-xi6sb 11 ай бұрын
Not reading comments. 21. Rule. Multiply before divisions. Solve parenthesis first is a definite rule.
@lukasblur3500
@lukasblur3500 11 ай бұрын
What's wrong is writing the equation ambiguously like that. If I caught my school pulling that crap on my kid's test I'd sue their asses.
@TreeHouseTavern
@TreeHouseTavern 11 ай бұрын
We learned these 3 simple rules since elementary. 1. Left to right 2. If there are parentheses, do them FIRST. (Left to right) 3. Multiplication OR Division FIRST but ALWAYS remember rule 1, LEFT TO RIGHT. I hope those SIMPLE rules helped a bit. ☺️😉 3(5+20:2x5) 3(5+10x5)... parenthesis first, Division/multiplication first, left to right ALWAYS 3(5+50) 3(55) 3x55 165 😊👍🏾
@AmericanClass1776
@AmericanClass1776 11 ай бұрын
i got 187.5 lol i still got it wrong going left to right!
@titansrule72
@titansrule72 11 ай бұрын
I remember MDAS - my dear aunt sue. Multiply, then divide, then add then subract. Parentheses first. I came up with 21, but clearly I am wrong. 2X5 = 10. 20/10 = 2. 2+5 = 7. 3X7 = 21.
@ryankelly9032
@ryankelly9032 11 ай бұрын
@@titansrule72we learned PEMDAS: please excuse my dear aunt sally. Parentheses, exponents, multiplication and division left to right, addition and subtraction left to right.
@letsgocarni1572
@letsgocarni1572 11 ай бұрын
I just reduce the "dificulty" of the mnemonic by using more brackets to make more groupings. In this case, I would do something like this: 3(5+20/2x5) Becomes: 3(5+((20/2)x5))) Then I just solve the brackets from the inside towards the outside. 3(5+(10x5)) 3(5+50) 3x55 165 This is how it makes the most sense to me.
@ronniechilds2002
@ronniechilds2002 7 ай бұрын
Even is the US, the order of operations, even when using PEMDAS, is not universally taught. Some teachers say multiplication goes before division and addition goes before subtraction without regard to left-to-right. Which is right depends on whom you ask. Confusing.
@paulkauphart9444
@paulkauphart9444 11 ай бұрын
165 The real trick, is that division is not an operation, it's actually a multiplication by the inverse, and the inverse of 2 is 1/2 or 0.5, and the actual operation is 3(5+20x0.5x5).
@JohntheNobleSavage
@JohntheNobleSavage Жыл бұрын
I've got to review all of this stuff since I have a four year old grandchild that is exceptionally bright and all to soon he will be wanting to learn. In my view this guy is just what the doctored ordered. I don't know that he would agree but I've found that fifty per cent of learning Algebra on up is just learning the formula!
@jacekszczecinski2766
@jacekszczecinski2766 Жыл бұрын
I had a lot of maths at secondary school about 45 years ago, in Poland. According to the rules we used back then, the correct answer would be 7.5.
@sallygardiner7150
@sallygardiner7150 Жыл бұрын
Me too, in UK. This makes no sense.
@JohnFourtyTwo
@JohnFourtyTwo Жыл бұрын
There goes the theory that math is the universal language.
@WilliamHunterII
@WilliamHunterII Жыл бұрын
@@JohnFourtyTwo Hahahahaha! Cracked me up, John. Good comment.
@bvm3925
@bvm3925 Жыл бұрын
I'm in the U.S. and I also came up with 7.5. We used parentheses within brackets, so it was very clear which formulas were used first. Always got As in algebra. No need to make it so complicated. I've seen how they've changed the way math is taught (with my grandchildren) in the last 20 years, and yet math scores across the U.S. continue to decline.
@jimwheeler6094
@jimwheeler6094 Жыл бұрын
​@@bvm3925, from what I learned in elementary school arithmetic more than 50 years ago in NY, you solve bracketed sections first, multiplication and division first from left to right, and then addition and subtraction from left to right. So you would first divide the 20 by the 2 which equals 10, and then multiply that by 5 which equals 50, and then add the 5, which equals 55, and then multiply that by 3, which equals 165. Hopefully that is the way the instructor in the video solves it. Another alternate method is to distribute the 3 into the bracketed section which would result in 15 + 60 ÷ 6 × 15, which equals 15 + 10 × 15, which equals 15 + 150, which equals 165.
@markashlock9017
@markashlock9017 6 ай бұрын
It concerns me that on some other ‘Math KZfaq’s’ they have Engineers (Chem, Nuke, Elect, etc) that totally disagree with PEMDAS Method. PEMDAS is the first thing I’ve ever been able to grasp. Please Help 😮😢!
@1972Russianwolf
@1972Russianwolf 11 ай бұрын
The other correct way is to use the transitive property with the paratheses. So 3(5+20/2*5) = 15+60/6*15 Then finish with the MDAS. 15+10*15 = 15+150 = 165
@drift_ah1518
@drift_ah1518 11 ай бұрын
when applied properly math problems can be solved using different techniques - for me I try to simplify as much as possible so that the problem does not require a lot of calculation 3 ( 5 + 20 / 2 * 5 ) = 3 * 5 (1 + 10) = 15 x 11 = 165
@DragonsVsVampires
@DragonsVsVampires 11 ай бұрын
.... so... i did this via algebra expansion... 3(5+20/2*5) becomes (3*5) + (3*20) / (3*2) * (3*5), becomes 15+60/6*15, becomes 15+10*15, becomes 15+150, becomes 165.... Completely different method of dealing with the brackets but the same ultimate answer :)
@chrisschubring7643
@chrisschubring7643 11 ай бұрын
This is the way I was taught. Its So much easier this way.
@moguy1973
@moguy1973 11 ай бұрын
Distributive property
@chrisschubring7643
@chrisschubring7643 11 ай бұрын
@@FirstNameLastName-yc5sz that's your opinion, right or wrong your allowed to have it. You can do it your way, and I will do it my way.
@jensschroder8214
@jensschroder8214 Жыл бұрын
According to the rules taught in German schools: 6/2(1+2) = 1 parentheses, exponents, IMPLIED MULTIPLIKATION, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction 6/2(1+2)= 6/ 2(3) = 6/ 2*3 = 6 [fraction bar] 2*3 = 6/6 = 1 I calculated it with a calculator prescribed by the German school authorities. TI calculators are banned in German schools because they calculate according to PEMDAS CASIO pocket calculators are required in German schools because they calculate according to PEJMDAS: 6/2(1+2)=1 Yes, MDAS is still used up to the 4th grade, but when higher mathematics is taught, PEJMDAS is normal
@jb1892l
@jb1892l Жыл бұрын
PEJMDAS as I just discovered. Juxtaposition... I got 1 as well.
@markwalker3499
@markwalker3499 Жыл бұрын
And that seems to work fine for the Germans, maybe that is why you have better engineered cars than we do, mostly, but I have a four year degree in finance and a heavily weighted minor in statistics and never once heard of implied multiplication till I read your post.
@traceybaldwin6509
@traceybaldwin6509 Жыл бұрын
That doesn’t make sense in your equation. Implied multiplication is still multiplication and taken in its order. Parentheses first: 6/2(1+2)= 6/2(3). Then division or multiplication in order from left to right; 6/2(3)= 3(3)= 9.
@HR-wd6cw
@HR-wd6cw Ай бұрын
I had one instructor who told us from the start that on the tests, all 3 or 4 possible answers (on a multiple choice test) were possible but only one was correct (meaning he did what you mentioned and figured out all the ways people could do the problem wrong so that short of a calculation error like 5 x 5 20, you'd almost always see your "answer" as an option, but only those who were confident in what they knew, knew that they had the correct answer. On more complex problems this proved to be more frustrating and I obviously got some wrong because of minor mistakes, particularly as you get into more complex subjects like Calculus.
@simondalzell5635
@simondalzell5635 10 ай бұрын
You didn't explain why PEMDAS isn't Followed.
@patrici509
@patrici509 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I got 21. I went into denial. Then frustration. Then acceptance. Then I agreed with you. It's 165. LOL 😂
@ChasOnErie
@ChasOnErie Жыл бұрын
No
@rishisud3946
@rishisud3946 11 ай бұрын
I always used the acroymn called BEDMAS. B for brackets, E for Exponents, then division, multiply, addition and finally division
@lindasplace2727
@lindasplace2727 Жыл бұрын
Remembering the rules of pemdas and not overthinking it, I came up with 165 in my head in about 20 seconds. I’ve noticed people forget that addition and subtraction are equal, as are multiplication and division.
@josefeijoo7415
@josefeijoo7415 Жыл бұрын
Tu solo lo haces MAS COMPLICADO; MUCHO BLA,BLA,BLA,BLA,¡¡¡¡
@jayrod9979
@jayrod9979 11 ай бұрын
Not true. This guy got it wrong!
@ReuvenF957
@ReuvenF957 10 ай бұрын
My problem is that (I THINK), when I learned Please Pardon My Dear Aunt Sally = PPMDAS = Parentheses Powers Multiplication Division Addition Subtraction AND That I was told (Again: To the best of my recollection) that Mutiplication PRECEDED Division even over left to right. That would give me the answer 21. BUT Those who are NOW saying that left to right has precedence are actually doing: PE(MD)(AS), which -- I'm sorry to say -- is NOT what I THINK we were taught back in the 60s
@ReuvenF957
@ReuvenF957 10 ай бұрын
OR: Maybe YOUR point is correct that this (left-to-right precedence) was NOT emphasized enough in 1965 (when I learned this, in the fourth grade).
@josephcasella1075
@josephcasella1075 9 ай бұрын
If you follow the order of operations, it’s pretty clearly 165. The issue is that the way the equation is laid out is needlessly confusing. All confusion can be avoided by simply using fractions for division in place of the division sign
@-D-W
@-D-W 11 ай бұрын
I'm 59 now. Math has always been my strong suit! I did not know the technical word for the order of operations, but definitely knew how to calculate the correct answer (of 165). My curiousity, in regards to all of the people who came up with the correct answer, is wondering how many of you were able to solve the question within your head (i.e. not using pen/paper; calculator; etc.)?
@wilson2455
@wilson2455 11 ай бұрын
it's a dying skill, but a person SHOULD be able to solve the equation without any assistance (i.e. in your head).
@Farinhir
@Farinhir 11 ай бұрын
I just see the answer. Not sure how. It works for me with calculus also. I do have to work at DiffEq though. I am high functioning (autistic spectrum) and test at very high IQ levels. The latter indicates a high level of inductive reasoning and logical thinking. The former indicates I am neural-divergent (don't think like a "normal" person).
@jasonoliveras9192
@jasonoliveras9192 11 ай бұрын
oh, with their natural organic intelligence, nahhhhhhhhhhhhh no way, artificial intelligence is their go to in 2023---lol 165=1+6+5=12 as you come from the 12th creation/dimension pure celestial being,from the expression of the one, and from the highest level of reality^
@Subtlenimbus
@Subtlenimbus 11 ай бұрын
I got both answers in my head, but wasn’t sure whether to do multiplication or division first.
@robertwilliams8032
@robertwilliams8032 11 ай бұрын
I correctly worked out the right answer in my head but realistically it's a pedestrian calculation. I tried to also work out the wrong answer in my head but got 187.5 not 21. I found it interesting how 21 was derived in the video and it was not something I would have thought of. When I looked at the question I do not see a division symbol in my mind, such as "a" divided by "b" but I always see it as a multiplication such as "a" times "1/b" or alternatively "b^-1" In most semi advanced mathematics the divide symbol is not used probably for that reason. The divide is either a full bar clearly showing the numerator and denominator or alternatively a "/" symbol and parenthesis.
@crigsbe
@crigsbe 11 ай бұрын
OPERATIONS A linking of elements within a set and resulting within that set for all elements of that set is an operation. There exist monary, binary, trinary, … linkings. In mathematic: +,-,•,: are binary operations within the set of rational numbers. As soon as you introduce radical you enlarge the set to the irrational numbers. R and I build the real number set. Here you have the operators +,-,•,:,exp,log. Notice that the introduction of PI, e can not be generated by using operators. Those numbers are transcend. There are exactly 11 AXIOMS which define the set of real numbers. The set is called FIELD.
@anthonybeaulieu9820
@anthonybeaulieu9820 Жыл бұрын
We were never taught PEDMAS. Using parentheses and brackets eliminated any confusion about the sequence of operations. That’s why it had to go.
@joelwexler
@joelwexler Жыл бұрын
YES! This is ridiculous, memorizing rules.
@lindayoung2959
@lindayoung2959 Жыл бұрын
Please excuse my dear aunt Sally is pictures they are cool wrong and there's nothing over
@johnhopkins898
@johnhopkins898 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. in the UK brackets etc remove any ambiguity. Also if you were programming it you would also put in brackets. its good practice and makes for ease of maintenance.
@tselsus
@tselsus Ай бұрын
for 165: 3[5+5(20/2)] or simply 15+15(20/2)] and for 21: 15+[{3x20)/(2x5)] or simply 15+6. The only reason to see such is on a test, revealing exam writers ability for presenting inane questions.
@carlcarlson4642
@carlcarlson4642 15 сағат бұрын
For someone that has had difficulty with understanding basic algebra. This is the third video I watched and ta da. I got it right. Woo hoo. Thank you.thank you,thank you.
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