it’s all Republic fans pissing themselves because they can’t stand the fact that an Imperial-Class absolutely washes the Venator

It's all because no one understands what they're looking at, and they want to see in an NPC Battle the reality from the movies or the way they imagine the battle would go ideally. I personally don't care who wins, I just try to make some interesting and pleasant videos.

Wait people not reading any of the available information before commenting out of hand!? Inconceivable!! lol. I enjoyed the video for what it was. The AI is pretty basic in regards to capital ship maneuvers. That was a hard won victory for the Republic. Makes me want to reinstall Empire at War.

There is no way that fighters didn't have an impact. In Empire at War, Ventators carry like six times as many fighter craft as does the imperial star destroyer. And there's three of them.

Venators fighters are useless when controlled by AI... Watch this and then tell me how much impact they had here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iax3ZpVz0N2WoHk.html

Bro this is remake mod, the ISD don’t have engine model

Lmao

If they had had starfighters, with a single Venator they would have finished off the destroyer, 420 Venator starfighters vs 72 of the Imperial starfighters. In this video the 3 venators must have had 1260 starfighters.

Keep your n mind the uploaded has no control of the ships. All ships are controlled by NPCs

@@elantrax20you know this is EAW remake mod, a game right?

best defense/offense on campaign mode (Imperial or Zann Consortium mode!) ... is a wave of 30 TIE Defender squads on each base

No its ship vs ship

ISD’s held HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of fighter bro

@@ifoundmemallet3394 72 fighters, 12 bombers, and 12-24 interceptors. 🤓😎

@@GryphonArmorer That’s the game bro. Star wars canon is MUCH different

They did, indeed, go down without a fight-to roaring applause

Exactly!

@@monsterB0BYou could also lock it in a tractor beam and slow it down as its moving. Its why Starhawks could solo isd's once you grabbed them the ships own engines would rip it apart.

That doesn't make sense) If "just target the shield generator" was such a simple and easy solution - there would be no lasting space battles, since everybody would do such an easy thing)

@@fraisertinko what everyone thinks is the Shield Generator isn't really the shield generator. They also forget that despite how powerful Mon Calamari Cruisers shields are due to redundant systems, the Mon Cal ships still weren't a match against the Empire's Star Destroyers, especially at close range. Granted Star Wars videogames have help solidify this belief that the two bulbs on top of the Star Destroyers Bridge superstructure are shield generators (Rogue Squadron and Empire at War come to mind), but listen back to the Return of the Jedi scene, the crew member didn't say they lost their Shield Generators, They "lost their bridge deflector shields". And that was after the explosion, meaning that the shields protecting bridge were gone. And the crew understood that after something part of the bridge got destroyed. It's actually impressive how people believe X is Y because they didn't pay attention to what was shown and said on screen.

​@strategicperson95 facts bro, misconception is real and the fan base doesn't know much about the lore or the actual process of how things work, same as how under powered ion cannons are and turbo Lasers are in the game where concussion missles and proton torpedoes are just bs ignore all armour and shields of a ship, if it was that easy the droids would of wiped the Republic every single battle without any issues

That’s like putting a Ticonderoga up against a PT boat, but taking the Ticonderoga’s missiles away

@@Matt-yg8ub The fact you don't realize that this EXACTLY how the Venator was often used is just endlessly fucking funny to me. Prequel kiddies are so fucking hopelessly clueless when it comes to actual critical thinking; you can cite Scarif and (pretend)you remember anything about it, but somehow, those childhood memories of countless TCW space battles wherein Venators are ALWAYS used as line combatants, and constantly fall 'in droves' to fucking Munificents and the like just seems to have somehow slipped your mind. Funny, that.

@@papapalps2415 so let me see if I’ve got this straight, you only want to see the Venators utilize the most ineffectual tactics possible, you want them to charge headless into the guns of the ISD in an obviously suicidal frontal attack, no nuance, no strategy, just a full frontal attack, not as part of a battle line providing cover for fighter operations or as an overall strategic thrust, you just want them to sacrifice themselves as quickly as possible so that you can get your jollies off watching them die because of sheer fucking incompetence? I think you’re the one who pretends to remember the clone wars where the CIS had 10 times as many fighters as the GAR and the Venators were primarily utilized to transport and provide suppression fire to screen their fighter squadrons…..which are the main offensive element of the vessel. Many of the battles we got to witness were intentionally designed to be cinematic, given the supposed range of turbo lasers and accurately depicted battle would just be blinking, dots hundreds of thousands of kilometers distant firing streaks of light at one another. Things are done in the movies because they look pretty, not because they are accurate …. Unless of course you really want to except that a flaming kitchen sink can actually penetrate capital ship armor and cause explosions the size of a 747

@@papapalps2415 Well, brother, on the one hand, despite their design more oriented towards air superiority, the Venator are still a main battle cruiser. Naturally, they must be on the front line or at least prepared to show their faces, since the Republic's fleet is so weak. or mediocre that they do not have other cruisers more capable of withstanding a direct attack is not the venator's fault, on the other hand it must also be said that the CIS fleet is very OP (well in general the CIS is ridiculously superior to the republic), The Munificent and Recusant frigates have enough firepower for their type of ships, and the Providence cruisers are terrifying, I say they are one of the reasons why the Imperial class were designed, and they can still fight as equals against them, so As such, the use of the Venator is not bad, the problem is that it is basically the only competent ship of the Republic without counting the Mandator II class battleships, without better support options or more specialized, it is normal that the Venator are the ones that end up doing more than they should and therefore suffering more than normal

@@papapalps2415yea no shit they were used as line combatants. It was the main capital ship of the republic fleet… but it was NEVER without its compliment of starfighters and as had been shown on many occasions, when faced with separatist ships they were many times outgunned when going ship to ship. IT’s strength comes in its fighters and there no denying that so stop acting like you know something others don’t. Cuz you don’t

Thanks for your comment! If you want to see more, here is a 1v2 variant of video with fighters active: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iax3ZpVz0N2WoHk.html

plus, they had a lot from the war. some overhauling, and they would be good enough for a police action. only the largest rebellion ships could take them out easily

Well in the start they did have Imperial Venators while the ISD’s were getting built.

@@Awesomegamer4567 true that is. But had the empire kept the use of venators they wouldn't have a need of a death star the orbital bombardment is fear enough

Honestly Im suprised the rebelion didnt take the venator and Clone wars stuff other than the Y-wing

@@myrandomcorner3460 that would have been smart to do

The Venators true strength, comes from its ability to rapidly deploy multiple Starfighter & bomber squadrons.

Star Destroyer clears

the Venator's help is actually INSIDE the Venator

It's torpedo launchers might have been taken out. That's one of my favored tactics.

Yea that’s the great part, you could change the accuracy yourself if you go to the files and change a few numbers, i did it before to increase tubolaser range and and accuracy and it was a game changer

It makes for a rather unsatisfying battle when the computer intentionally screwed the pooch By firing from beyond the range of its weapons

@@Matt-yg8ub thats AI or artificial idiocy for you. Makes you wonder if its really difficult to write up a program for the ships to put their design and features to best use. Something other than "walk into enemy fire in a slow leisurely manner while firing back the same way."

@@tr4480 the most frustrating thing is knowing that an ISD can be taken out by a handful of starfighters, but Four giant carriers can’t take this thing out because they aren’t allowed to use fighters and are intentionally squandering what capabilities they do have

Fighters are useless in videos like this, NPC vs NPC, the AI that controls them doesn't make them as effective as you think.

Possible if the Venator is controlled by a player. But NPC vs NPC doesn't. An ISD NPC can defeat 2 Venator NPCs with active fighters: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iax3ZpVz0N2WoHk.html

Esta es un barco contra barcos, unos que se utiliza como Porta Aviones y otro como Destructor antibuque, o si no hubiera cambiado, ya que 3 Venators, ya te imaginarías la gran cantidad de cazas, bombardeos y de todo tipo de caza que se desplegarían

...or even take the lead to save one another.

Finally someone who noticed that it's a NPC battle😄

@@cinematicnpc Haha XD

Lol, I know that scene

Yeah, it's too bad George Lucas didn't know more about navel design when he based his star destroyer on WWII battleships. The fact that both the Venators and the ISD are very limited in their firing arcs since their main batteries are not centerline or superfireing. The best thing to do instead of pointing straight at the target would be to dip the bow down to clear all the big turbo laser turrets.

​@177SCmaro Lucus forgot that space battles can use different angles and depth points than surface water battles. Spaceships are more like submarines than surface ships.

@@kharilane1340 Exactly but i seems George Lucas focus of recreating a 18th Century NAVAL Battle than actual Space Battle.

@@nikkotan2840 An 18 Century naval battle with starfighters doing WWII dogfighting.

@@kharilane1340 right again.

I would expect a compliment of fighters to swing things in the Venators favor heavily, as that's three flights of fighters vs the SD's one. However, if this were an ISD II, the octuple guns might swing things back in the Star Destroyer's favor.

Based on what ships being used? If they're clone wars era fighters then they're all outclassed by their Imperial counterparts. TIE Interceptor's would decimate the V-Wings and ARC-170's. TIE Defender's, TIE Bomber's, and TIE Reaper's would ensure that the swarms of inferior craft aren't able to complete their attack runs on the ISD. That way the ISD simply focuses on capital ship bombardment. @@Mr-Lister

Yeah but than you would have to give the ISD its corvette & frigate escort, an ISD would never engage alone, with the on board garrison & maybe extra fighters from something like a TonFalk carrier, the Venator would have a tough time getting enough bombers & fighters trough in one piece.

lol

I didnt see the part about the fighters. But in actual battle with humans and not AI, I think 3 venerators would win. Each one had what, over 500 fighters on deck, all piloted by clones. If they still had clones piloting in their prime then yeah, venerators would win. Not a pretty fight, but they would win.

​@@RPDTyrant103But the fighters don't matter, though, because they can't do anything.

@@papapalps2415 Bombers absolutely matter and would tip the scale in the Republic's favor in this battle.

@@aZakthatAttacks Sure. That isn't what I said, though. Fighters. V-Wings or Torrents or whatever are not making much of a meaningful difference, bar to deal with other fighter craft. Although regardless, even the bombers being enough is arguable; 3 Venators should have about an equal reactor output/offensive punch to match or exceed an ISD, and the bombers would absolutely be helpful, but it's somewhat dependant on the commanders and the circumstances; a clever enough ISD captain could very well win.

​@@papapalps2415 the Venator just cant match the shield shredding power of those ion canons, their output might be comparable but their main batteries & shields are much weaker and when the shields go down they are toast. I agree regarding fighters & bombers, they are cool but an ISD would never engage alone, it should have a bunch of corvettes & cruisers as escort, those would put up an anti fighter screen so i doubt those 3 Venators could win in any scenarion in a direct force on force confrontation.

Because this is only just a Capital ship on Capital ship battle. No other help just using their guns.

won way easier as in a lot less losses, minimal casualties.

Then the imperials would have won east

@@saac0937 but not north south or west. This kind of battle goes to the carrier with the standoff capability at least 75% of the time if not more….. three carriers with a combined 1200 starfighters could massacre an ISD without ever exposing themselves to counter fire

@@Matt-yg8ub They can't, though, and no amount of copy pasting 'b-but, fighters, thoooo??????' like as if 1200 fucking V-Wings who's total armament consists of fighter scale proton torpedo launchers at absolute best is going to do anything to a ship with a reactor outputting teratons of energy a second will change that.

@@papapalps2415 bro, X-wings and bombers are what the Rebellion used to take down ISDs. You really want to make the argument that the XWing is exponentially more powerful than 100 times as many ARC-170s ?? How about the bombers, each one of those Venators is carrying close to an entire rebellion worth of support craft.

'Most' don't, no.

An interesting and different comment from many that I have received. The problem is that everyone tries to explain how Venators would win, thinking that they are players or that the game can recreate something from movies/series. No one reads in the title or description that the video is an NPC Battle. All ships are NPCs.

And npcs are extremely limited in what their programming can do

Use Clone Wars Holdout Factions submod for Remake so you can play with Remanants of Galactic Republic and CIS

The ISD would have been better to position itself so that the other two Venators couldn't get completely clear shots on the ISD. Tricky in such a space environment which as someone else stated is like a submarine like area of operations, but still feasible.

I have a video of ISD 1 vs Providence: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n5N0rNRh2tiakp8.html

just remake

This video was made as an experiment, to see how long the ships resist, that's why there are no fighters.

It’s revealed somewhere on the lore that only Anakin’s Venators had those. Most didn’t.