3 VERSES THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CANNOT ANSWER about JESUS WORSHIP (with Greek)

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Greek For All

Greek For All

4 жыл бұрын

The ABC's of Jesus worship in the NT: I share 3 Bible verses about worship in the New Testament and a few about Jesus worship. No Jehovah Witness was able to respond to them yet. Feel free to share this simple study with your friends JWs.
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@enohookoro9806
@enohookoro9806 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus is our Lord and Saviour!
@jeremiahrowesr.3130
@jeremiahrowesr.3130 Жыл бұрын
Amen not only is he our Lord and Savior he is our great God and Savior.
@seanrathmakedisciples1508
@seanrathmakedisciples1508 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your response on truth
@Radrook353
@Radrook353 Жыл бұрын
JWs do not deny that Jesus is the Lord and Savior via the Ransom Sacrifice.
@Scott23882
@Scott23882 Жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 I receive not honour from men John 5:41 KJV Matthew 15:9 KJV
@user-jy6yk9wy4d
@user-jy6yk9wy4d 10 ай бұрын
@@Radrook353 Jw,에게 폭행도 당했슴
@dixonsimona8946
@dixonsimona8946 4 жыл бұрын
I have been JW for 20 years and I believe Jesus was Archangel Michael. Recently I wake up and analyse again all the teachings. What you say make sense...if Jesus was an Archangel he will stop them and do not accept to be worship. Is logic then his nature should be divine. His diety is proven here.
@troymoore4507
@troymoore4507 4 жыл бұрын
Can I send you something
@lindalawton5399
@lindalawton5399 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to TTATT!
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dixon, the problem with this video is in the translation of the word proskuneo. It does not carry the idea of "religious type worship". Even the NWT gets this wrong. It simply means to show hour and reset to someone of a higher station in life. There are specific Greek words that mean "religious type worship" and these are NEVER used of Jesus. See my comment to this video
@marcotpm5234
@marcotpm5234 3 жыл бұрын
Very BIG CONGRATULATIONS , you are very clever !👍
@exjwsrilanka1898
@exjwsrilanka1898 3 жыл бұрын
I will never listen to the WATCHTOWER again. Jesus is worthy to worshipped
@raymondquinn4529
@raymondquinn4529 3 жыл бұрын
1 Amen. 2 Amen 3 Amen Praise his name.
@jeremiahrowesr.3130
@jeremiahrowesr.3130 Жыл бұрын
A final indication that the book of Revelation is teaching or hinting at Jesus' full deity in this last chapter is when we compare Rev. 22:16 with Rev. 1:1 and back to Rev. 22:6. Rev. 22:16 has Jesus saying, "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches." Rev. 1:1 states, "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John," Rev. 22:6 states, "And he said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place." Examining these three verses there seem to be three possibilities. 1. The Father and Son sent two different angels. Each sending "His [own]" angel. 2. Both the Father and Son sent the same angel. The same angel being "his" to both the Father and Son. 3. The Son is the one who sent his angel. If the third option is true, then Jesus is "the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets" (per Rev. 22:6). That would seem to imply Jesus' full deity. The following are some reasons why this third option is plausible to me. We know that Rev. 22:16 has Jesus sending His angel. Regarding Rev. 1:1 I'm aware of at least one scholarly source that sides with Jesus being the one who sent His angel rather than the Father. The NET Bible states in a footnote on Rev. 1:1, "In 1:1 and 22:16 it is clear that Jesus has sent his angel to proclaim the message to John; thus the message is from Christ..." Options 1 & 2 seem implausible to me. Finally, it wouldn't be surprising to me that just as Rev. 22:20 was intended to indicate the identity of the speaker in Rev. 22:12-13 and so teach the full deity of Christ; so Rev. 22:16 was intended to indicate the identity of sender of an angel in Rev. 22:6 and so also teach the full deity of Christ. How can we make sense of all the foregoing data? The Trinitarian position can make sense of all this data. Data that suggests there are at least two persons who are Jehovah and possess the attributes of Jehovah. This is the case EVEN IF we reject the notion that Christ ever refers to Himself as the Almighty in the book of Revelation. Though, as I said, some would argue that Christ does refer to Himself as Almighty God in Rev. 1:8. Those who reject Christ's full deity have to argue that there are two firsts and lasts, God the Father and the Son who isn't truly or fully God. They may also argue that while Christ is called "first and last," he is not referred to as "the alpha and omega" or "the beginning and end." But is that really reasonable? Didn't I undermine that objection by my analysis of Rev. 22:12-13 in light of other similar verses in the same book? Isn't it more reasonable to conclude that all three phrases are three different ways to refer to the same thing? That is, the omnipotent and omniscient Sovereign source of the origin and meaning of all of creation. It's not inconsistent with the rest of the New Testament to see Christ as the co-source/co-creator/co-sustainer/co-purposer of the universe with the Father (John 1:1-3;1 Cor. 8:6; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2-3,10-13). Also, doesn't it make more sense that if Almighty God wanted to avoid giving the impression that Jesus is fully God, then He would not have inspired the book of Revelation to refer to Jesus as "the first and last"? Nor inspire it to seemingly imply Jesus is also "the Alpha and Omega" along with being "the beginning and the end"?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you on this. Great information. My next video will be on the title Alpha and Omega!
@jeremiahrowesr.3130
@jeremiahrowesr.3130 Жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll No problem no problem I was glad to give it, the biggest thing that Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cultist groups need to look at is this. If they were so smart they would look at the original old testament, they would look at it and understand that in the Old Testament in Mic chapter 5 verse two I might add, they would know that the son of man being spoken of in this passage is the messiah is the only going to be a human but also divine. The Son of Man in Micah chapter 5 verse two is going to have an eternal dominion, furthermore we look at Isaiah chapter 9 verse six talking about the coming of the Messiah who is divine and also eternal the definition for eternal means without beginning or end. So right there we see that the coming Messiah is going to have an eternal dominion and he himself is going to be eternal. And they can fight this as much as they wanna fight this the Jehovah’s Witnesses and any other satanic cultish group wants to fight it. But as Christians we know that Jesus is not a created being, because the term firstborn does not mean first created in Colossians chapter 1 verse 17 and also verse 15. The term first born in Greek is Proto Otokos witch means preeminent highest in authority and rank we see this clearly in the Old Testament with king David. We also see rejecting the Jehovah’s Witnesses comments about Jesus being the creator of all other things, because the word other is not there in the original koine Greek they actually in the New World translation put the word other in brackets. But the Greek word porta means all things so therefore that refutes their argument saying that Jesus is a created being, also if you look at John chapter 17 verse five going back to the Old Testament God doesn’t share his glory with anybody, but Jesus says that him and the father share the same glory before the world was. Also I love how the Jehovah’s Witnesses make an argument saying oh well Jesus Christ is a created being, okay can Jehovah God forgive all sin well of course they will say. OK well if Jehovah God can forgive sin in Jesus himself says in Mark chapter 2 verse five and verse seven that he can forgive sin, then if he’s a creative being he can’t do that because it would be blasphemy. But they always say well God gave him that ability, can you show me a passage where God gave an angel the ability to forgive sin because I’ve never seen that passage. If the Bible says in Psalm 103 verses 10 and 12 the only God can forgive sin in Jesus says in Mark chapter 2 verse five and verse seven that he can forgive all sin Jesus is taking on title of God or an attribute of God upon himself in the Pharisees knew who he was claiming to be from the attribute.
@johncolage1651
@johncolage1651 Ай бұрын
Revelation 1:8--"I am the Alpha and the Omega" says Jehovah God "the One who is and who was and who is coming the Almighty." New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
@JulianEsleySmith
@JulianEsleySmith 7 күн бұрын
​@@johncolage1651 if you look at Rev. 22:6 "Jehovah sent his angel" Rev. 22:7 "I am coming quickly" But if you look at Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent my angel" And Jesus also says "I am coming quickly" in 22:20 Did Jehovah and Jesus both send their angel, and both of them are "coming quickly"?
@eleazarsolomon4678
@eleazarsolomon4678 4 жыл бұрын
As far as we see in this channel, comments are so respecful and many are very deep in content. Very inteligent people are here using arguments that they know. I feel confortable reading all comments, thanks a lot for that, please keeping that line. Thanks for "Greek For All" for let people to interchange what on their minds.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Well said! Thanks for being here. I appreciate you.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
The person in the video is being a little deceivingso and so are misleading many, for the following reasons: OK, so the Greek word which many translation translate as "worship" is proskuneó and according to STRONG's concordance for Bible words. as well as many others states the following for the Greek word "proskuneó" ......... "I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to kiss the hand tenderly.. proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees. So let me ask you this, "what is wrong with giving proskynéō to Jesus, it is NOT the same as the worship we give to his father Yehovah ??? Did you know that people in the Bible were given proskynéō does that mean that they were worshipped in the same way that we worship God ? For example if you were to give proskynéō to the queen of England, and bow when meeting her, would that be worship ? Of course not ! By the same token, if you were to bow down before an alter of Budda for example would that be considered worship in this sense of the word ? More than likely it would! So you see it all depends who you are giving proskynéō to and the context. I think it is very disingenuous to use the word proskynéō in blanket, one size fits all terminology, especially from someone like yourself who purports to understand Greek ! Sometimes you have to look at the original Greek and what it ACTUALLY MEANS, or rather what the koine Greek meant !
@jenniferreinoehl7883
@jenniferreinoehl7883 9 ай бұрын
There are 54 times in the New Testament where proskyneo was used. All are either in reference to worship you are only supposed to do to God (and this is specifically stated) or in reference to worshipping false idols. There is absolutely no context that supports your view, which is probably why you fail to cite an actual Bible verse in the New Testament where proskyneo means something other than worship due to God. There is, however, the parable in Matthew 18:26--where the servant in that verse is bowing down to a "Lord" who represents God. Further on in the parable when a fellow servant bows down to the first servant (Matthew 18:29), and God is not represented by either of those servants, another word is used to represent that action. The same word could have been used and a different word would have been unnecessary in the second part if the word Greek word translated as "worshipped" in all KJV New Testament verses meant, as you claim it does, something different than the worship due to God. There is no place in the New Testament where " in the Bible were given proskyneo," only Jesus, God, and false idols were given proskyneo. And yes, if you bow before an "alter [sic] of Buddha," you have done exactly what the Bible has forbidden you to do. (Proskyneo is used throughout Revelation in the context of evil people bowing before idols and the beast and details the punishment they will receive.) If, however, Jesus returns and you bow down before Him, you have done exactly what the Bible has told you to do and what many people did when He was on earth. Sometimes, you have to read the whole Bible and understand it in depth, instead of looking at one word and a concordance.
@SpielbergMichael
@SpielbergMichael 4 ай бұрын
1,2,3 Amen Amen Amen
@johncolage1651
@johncolage1651 5 ай бұрын
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 5 ай бұрын
That is a great question and scholars raised it years ago: when did it happen that the believers started worshipping Jesus or consider him divine? Many proposed solutions were offered over the years. Originally it was suggested that the idea was brought by the gentile converts from the Greco-Roman religions which had many “lords” and so it was not a big deal to consider Jesus as another “lord”. However, today the discussion shifted to the earlier dates that Judaism of the 1st century already had ideas of divine figures next to God. Even more than that there was a notion that God himself would visit his people and deliver them. That is why Jewish apostles and first Jewish converts could identify Jesus as God who visited his people. And it was totally fine within Jewish monotheism. I recommend you to read N.T. Wright “Paul and the victory of God.” A chapter on Jesus’ messianship within Jewish monotheism.
@randymartens7539
@randymartens7539 4 жыл бұрын
Stan, what program or app are you using at the 5:49 mark - the one that has the Greek alongside the English translation? I really like that simple format, and would like to use it myself as well.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
It is called Accordance. It is the flagship of biblical softwares. I think you can download the basic version for free. Then you need to buy a package depending on your interests. I went with Biblical Studies (greek and Hebrew) so i could work with the original text. Then you can load books, commentaries, lexicons, dictionaries, devotionals, maps, and etc.
@randymartens7539
@randymartens7539 4 жыл бұрын
Stan, thank you for your prompt reply. I've just downloaded the free Lite version to test it out, then will probably get the Basic Starter. I've always found the vast majority of bible software programs to be incredibly complicated to navigate through. Maybe this one will be easier to figure out. Thank you for your recommend. I really enjoy your videos and your passionate way of teaching. God bless you, my friend and teacher!
@startinginthemiddle756
@startinginthemiddle756 4 жыл бұрын
This was fascinating!! 😲 Thank you! 😊
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
You bet! Blessings.
@peterblau6592
@peterblau6592 3 жыл бұрын
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!
@BadgerBlaze
@BadgerBlaze 2 жыл бұрын
Hey what's the name of this program, is it free for PC?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
Accordance Bible Software. It is not free. There are different plans available based on person's needs. Out of free ones, I. know e-sword. Check it out, it might be what you need.
@BadgerBlaze
@BadgerBlaze 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll thanks 👍
@cleartruth-
@cleartruth- 2 жыл бұрын
"Jesus said"who saw me saw the father. (Jesus was) Jehovah's word who worshiped him worshiped his Father Jehovah (when he was on earth) Now we worship and pray to the Lord Jehovah in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, as he said to his desiples. and I (Jesus)will give it unto thee, that my father may be glorified.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
Jn 14:14 says: if you ask me, in my name, I will do it. So Jesus himself instructed us to pray not only to the Father but also to him.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
My friend, you are mixing apples and oranges. I never stated that Jesus and the Father are one and the same person. They are two different individuals. I'm welcoming a dialogue, however, I won't tolerate the links to questionable videos you share.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
Here ya go......At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to spend a bit of time digging into Gods word !
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
@@STROND I replied to you in the other thread.
@brenosantana1458
@brenosantana1458 Жыл бұрын
​@Greek For All If you ask me in John 14 14? There is a lot of manuscripts that does not have this, the word for me in Greek. Consider also John 16 23, see if this applies.
@necovelli
@necovelli 3 жыл бұрын
1. AMEN! 2.AMEN! 3.AMEN!
@sanya934
@sanya934 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Wow. Needed this as I'm currently studying with JWs.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for the comment!
@margieharding17
@margieharding17 3 жыл бұрын
please don't study with them - they deny Jesus deity, the Trinity and that you have a spirit! Do research - Dr James White has excellent studies on the Trinity - the Holy Spirit leads us into ALL truth!
@sanya934
@sanya934 3 жыл бұрын
@@margieharding17 I stopped studying with them. I'm so grateful I did because now I found the actual truth about the trinity, and the deity of Christ. Thank you!
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 2 жыл бұрын
@Rick Lee It is not the GB that lies it is the teachers in other religions. You are unable to prove that the GB lies but I can prove that other religions do.
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 2 жыл бұрын
@@sanya934 Hi Sanya, Stan is wrong in his assumptions in this video. He deviates from the teaching Greek to allowing church tradition take over. The three Bible verses he says no JW can answer are easily answered. He says that we "all study God's word to really see what the Bible says" . Yes we do but we do it without looking for and inserting tradition into the text. It is sad indeed that church tradition has clouded his understanding of the Greek. Look for some of my comments to him and others. I will happily answer any question for you.
@thepreacherxi5353
@thepreacherxi5353 4 жыл бұрын
Hi sir/ma'am. Good day. can I ask how to say/write "The word has a beginning" in Koine Greek? I just want to know because my Unitarian friends insist that in John 1:1a John shows that the Word has a beginning. Thank you so much. God bless your work!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
I wrote to you under another video, since asked me the same twice.
@Scott23882
@Scott23882 Жыл бұрын
I receive not honour from men John 5:41
@yvonnemickens3799
@yvonnemickens3799 4 жыл бұрын
1, 2, 3 Amen!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Blessings
@leejohnson6328
@leejohnson6328 2 жыл бұрын
Is The Trinity the Word of God? (24 minutes) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qqd9kqdmtMjTl4U.html
@samsontesfay1
@samsontesfay1 3 жыл бұрын
Amen brother. Very helpful indeed.
@seanrathmakedisciples1508
@seanrathmakedisciples1508 Жыл бұрын
Excellent word in Jesus name
@wandalaielli3572
@wandalaielli3572 3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who is JW and I really did not know more of ways to show him because the common ways should be true enough but they are difficult to reach with their own Bible.. but with this, I can show him in his own JW bible...thank you!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
I am glad it was helpful.
@777Tralfaz777
@777Tralfaz777 3 жыл бұрын
Wanda, you should listen to your friend. Phil 2:11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
@eyeswideopen8570
@eyeswideopen8570 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say that in their Bible, every instance of worship in regard to Jesus has been changed to the word obeisance. So unless you have their Interlinear Translation Bible to show the Greek to English, it would still be hard for you to prove it to a Jehovah's Witness.
@777Tralfaz777
@777Tralfaz777 3 жыл бұрын
@@eyeswideopen8570 You need to look up the Greek word used there. Context determines if it is worship or obeisance. Would astrologer come to worship a king?
@eyeswideopen8570
@eyeswideopen8570 3 жыл бұрын
@@777Tralfaz777 Exactly. My point was that their Bible has been changed to fit their doctrine that Jesus is an angel, and therefore not to be worshiped. Although the Bible is clear that Jesus was worshiped from the time he was born on this earth until after his death and resurrection. It is hard for a JW to accept this because their Bible says obeisance.
@Dr.Reason
@Dr.Reason Ай бұрын
Wow, I really want that Greek/English software but of all the things you listed, it’s not among them. What software is this?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll Ай бұрын
www.accordancebible.com
@Dr.Reason
@Dr.Reason Ай бұрын
@@GreekForAll thanks!!
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
You say, and I quote "The point of my video is to show that in the NT neither humans, nor angels but Got and Jesus receive proskuneo." Well, Jesus when telling of forgiveness uses proskuneo in connection to a HUMAN Matt 18:26 And at Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator......... Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........The answer is there, you just got to do a bit of digging and look for it they way we do.............My advice is to try NOT to nullify Gods word, just accept what it says. Even the extremely trinitarian W. E. Vine writes in his An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, p. 1247: "PROSKUNEO ... to make obeisance, do reverence to (from pros, towards, and kuneo, to kiss), is the most frequent word rendered 'to worship'. It is used for an act of homage or reverence (a) to God ...; (b) to Christ ...; (c) to a man, Matt. 18:26." ("Obeisance," of course, shows "respect, submission, or reverence" - Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1961.) Noted Bible scholar J. H. Thayer defines proskuneo: "prop. to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence ... hence in the N. T. by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication. It is used a. of homage shown to men of superior rank [position] ... Rev. 3:9 .... b. of homage rendered to God and the ascended Christ, to heavenly beings [angels]" - p. 548, Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Baker Book House Publ., 1977. So as PROSKUNEO was given to people in the OT as well as the NT it goes without saying that it does not mean the exclusive worship we give to our creator !
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
My friend I already explained those two passages in other comments numerous times. I understand you cannot read 1000s of other comments, and I also cannot retype the same answers again and again. I just ask you not to "sermonize" me and keep your language decent.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Yes, but you NEVER answered the question about humans receiving PROSKUNEO at revelation in a satisfactory way. You see my friend "scripture interprets scripture" and if a scripture is contradicted by another scripture the way it has with your reasoning, then you should assume that you are not understanding it correctly..
@fredrolinners8903
@fredrolinners8903 2 жыл бұрын
@@STROND Revelation 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth. (NASB) The singing that took place is worship. The song was directed to God alone even though it was also "before the four living creatures and the elders." They were in God's presence when the singing took place but they were not recipients of this worship despite the fact that the song was done before them. The same holds true concerning the worship described in Revelation 3:9. Worship was directed to God alone but in the presence of ("before") these believers.
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
In Exodus 20:4 God gave Israel this command; "You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water below. QUESTION If the Jesus is God, Has God contravene his own command when the bible which is inspired by God describes Jesus as a Lamb siting with God on his throne? Consider this question very carefully. Because God's command clearly says. That you should not make an image of God, in the likeness of anything that is in heaven (stars, planets, sun, moon or BIRDS) on earth (animals or plants) or in the water (the sea, meaning fish) In the Revelation Jesus is clearly seen in vision as a lamb. He is even called the lamb of God.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
These are great questions to ponder. I guess, when it comes to God it's a little different. Although, God condemns murder, yet he asks Abraham to sacrifice his son. Considering your argument, since it is not the humans who made the image in Jesus (the lamb or human) but God himself, this should be understood differently. I guess, this is how I would start looking at it.
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
These questions basically have two answers, I Think. Either God is inconsistent in the application of his laws and he commands us not to do something which, he himself is prepared to do. Which is what you seem to suggest Or Jesus can be represented as a Lamb. As the Lamb of God. because Jesus Is not God and therefore Gods command in this case doesn't apply and therefore no infringement has occurred. The latter would seem to me to be, the simpler more reasonable conclusion. God forbids murder and child sacrifice yes. But God was testing Abraham's faith and obedience. God was never going to allow Abraham to kill his son. Can you show me Gods inconsistency here? Which command did God seem to be asking that Abraham break here by his request? in the case of Abraham. I must remind you that the law had not yet been given in Abrahams day. And has for Gods aborance of child sacrifices this is something that he revealed later in the bible. If Abraham thought that God's request was unjust or contradictory in any way. Don't you think that he would surely have asked God why? Is the judge of all the earth not going to do what is right? He did ask this for Sodom and Gomorrah. Why wouldn't he do the same for his son?
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
Good logic here.....the Bible clearly show that Jesus is NOT God, and the argument that Jesus received "proskuneó (worship) so therefor must be good is a very lame argument, for the following reasons...... The person in the video is being a little deceivingso and so are misleading many, for the following reasons: OK, so the Greek word which many translation translate as "worship" is proskuneó and according to STRONG's concordance for Bible words. as well as many others states the following for the Greek word "proskuneó" ......... "I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to kiss the hand tenderly.. proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees. So let me ask you this, "what is wrong with giving proskynéō to Jesus, it is NOT the same as the worship we give to his father Yehovah ??? Did you know that people in the Bible were given proskynéō does that mean that they were worshipped in the same way that we worship God ? For example if you were to give proskynéō to the queen of England, and bow when meeting her, would that be worship ? Of course not ! By the same token, if you were to bow down before an alter of Budda for example would that be considered worship in this sense of the word ? More than likely it would! So you see it all depends who you are giving proskynéō to and the context. I think it is very disingenuous to use the word proskynéō in blanket, one size fits all terminology, especially from someone like the person in the video purports to understand Greek ! Sometimes you have to look at the original Greek and what it ACTUALLY MEANS, or rather what the koine Greek meant !
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
Here ya go......At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to spend a bit of time digging into Gods word !
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 2 жыл бұрын
​@@STROND Thank you for your thoughts. But with all due respect. I stand behind the validity of my statement "that the Bible clearly shows that Jesus is NOT God". The Scriptures clearly revealed that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus confirmed this many times. (John 10:36) But not once did Jesus ever say that he was God the Son. Trinitarian scholars have long recognised this fact. Do Trinitarians today have any clearer and direct scriptural proof to support this incomprehensible mystery. All the scriptural proof they present requires us to place our reliance on some scripturally misapplied argument of logic? John 1:1 does not serve to prove the Trinity either. It only served to prove the preexistence of the Word. Who existed in the begining with God at a point in time that marked the start of all creation.Rev 3:14 + Col 1:15. God is eternal He had no beginning and has no end. Therefore, for John to introduce his gospel with the words, 'in the beginning' John must be referring to the beginning of the Word itself. Could the Word in the beginning, (in his preexistence) before his incarnation. be a component part of GOD? ... NO! .... Why not? .... Because in John 1:2 , John reiterates that this one (meaning the Word) was in the beginning with 'GOD.' God can't be with himself at a point in time called the 'beginning', Since as I stated previously God has no beginning! Compare Gen 1:1. If you find this too hard to accept. Consider John 1:3 'New King James Version' ....'All things were made THROUGH HIM, and without HIM nothing was made that was made'. The person through which all things were made, can not be the same as the person who made everything. God YHWH is the creator, the Word (LOGOS) is acting as God's agent in creation, but this one is not the creator. This is not logic per se , it's basic and simple common sense. If I accomplish something through you. You are my operative, what is achieved by you is not yours but mine. You could not do it without me . That is exactly the case with Jesus See John 5:19. If the doctrine of the Trinity is false and Jesus is a created Son of God. Of which there are many! To worship Jesus is tantamount to worshiping the creature rather than the creator. Interestingly 'Easton's Bible Dictionary' has this to say on this matter. "Homage rendered to God which it is sinful (idolatry) to render to any created being (Exodus 34:14; Isaiah 2:8). Such worship was refused by Peter (Acts 10:25, 26) and by an angel (Revelation 22:8, 9)".
@imadboles3431
@imadboles3431 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent work, Stan.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@thaonettemartinez2902
@thaonettemartinez2902 3 жыл бұрын
1,2,&3 Amen..... Great job!
@tinaneyom4748
@tinaneyom4748 2 жыл бұрын
Χαιρετισμούς Σταν. I enjoyed this study so much that I just spent several hours transcribing much of it. However, I was dismayed when I looked up a verse I'd read earlier today in 1 Sam. 28:14/Septuagint 1 Kings re: King Saul going to see the medium woman at En Dor. When I checked the Greek, following the above studied, I found the Greek word under discussion and wondered why it is applied to a human worshiping the supposed ghost of the prophet Samuel. Can you shed some light on this?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
Great question. Briefly, the word itself has a double meaning: to bow down in respect, or to bow down in worship. These meanings are more overlapping than contrasting. Usually the context shows which meaning is more applicable. In LXX, the term often applied to humans. So the meaning of obeisance is more appropriate here. In the NT though, the term has the worship connotations. In 1 Sam 28:14, it could be one or the other or both meanings. Each passage is different and requires thorough exegesis. In my first opinion, it seems that it means "worshipped him" because earlier it says that Saul bowed down on his face to the ground and "worshipped" him. It would not make much sense to say "he bowed down on his face and bowed down to him." We could explore ancient treatment of the dead. Were dead worshipped by pagans? Most likely yes. Is it possible that Saul was influenced by this. Perhaps. We need to explore non biblical sources if the word "proskuneo" was used in worshipping the dead. and so on. It's a deep research.
@RitaMalikfour
@RitaMalikfour 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus is our king our salvation, amen
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Truly amen!
@vusimngomezulu2500
@vusimngomezulu2500 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Jesus christ said people will hate and speaking liars about his only true followers Jehovah's witnesses Mathew 5:10-12,24:9,John 15:18-21,Luke 6:22-23.
@vusimngomezulu2500
@vusimngomezulu2500 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Only Jehovah's witnesses knows who is Jehovah God and Jesus christ John 14:1-3,17:1-3,21.
@bensamadams
@bensamadams 4 жыл бұрын
Amen to all,,, thank you so much
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Blessings
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nica-Ra-Wata If you were familiar with the semantics you would know that where the word originated means little. What really matters is how the word is used in any particular period by the users. It is unlikely that the NT authors meant what you suggested when they were writing it.
@scottgrey2877
@scottgrey2877 Жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Joshua worshipped an angel
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll Жыл бұрын
@@scottgrey2877 If you refer to Joshua 5:14, the angel is the Lord Himself. a. Joshua worships him b. Joshua is asked to take off his sandals (cf. Ex 3:5-6) c. He is called "the Lord" in Josh 6:2
@scottgrey2877
@scottgrey2877 Жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll two angels called Lord Genesis 19:24 KJV
@gabrielperez5416
@gabrielperez5416 3 жыл бұрын
Great job! Lord bless you.
@princeraya8012
@princeraya8012 2 жыл бұрын
What application are you using for the interlinear?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
Accordance
@MrCarlosVillasenor
@MrCarlosVillasenor 2 жыл бұрын
Great content, I never seen it illustrated in this way. JW do see Jesus as only an Angel and angels can’t be worshipped, only Jesus!!🔥🙌🏽
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it clicked!
@archangeljesus4369
@archangeljesus4369 2 жыл бұрын
They gave him homage and obeisance not worship
@tabandken8562
@tabandken8562 2 жыл бұрын
@@archangeljesus4369 Jesus is worshipped in many places in the NT and especially Rev 5.
@archangeljesus4369
@archangeljesus4369 2 жыл бұрын
@@tabandken8562 Jesus received homage and obeisance. Not worship.
@tabandken8562
@tabandken8562 2 жыл бұрын
@@archangeljesus4369 Rev 5 clearly shows worship.
@777Tralfaz777
@777Tralfaz777 10 ай бұрын
Here is where logic come in. Do you worship or honor a king? This same word is used when doing obeisance. God installed Jesus as King. One honors Jesus in worship of Jehovah.
@JackGilbertJr
@JackGilbertJr 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, Amen, Amen!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@papajohndavid
@papajohndavid 4 жыл бұрын
That was truly righteous and amazing ty, I'm gonna save that video. Amen, Amen, and Amen.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
I am glad it was helpful.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man.
@pruvengsx1
@pruvengsx1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother 123 AMEN GLORY TO GOD IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF CHRIST JESUS
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
The person in the video is being a little deceivingso and so are misleading many, for the following reasons: OK, so the Greek word which many translation translate as "worship" is proskuneó and according to STRONG's concordance for Bible words. as well as many others states the following for the Greek word "proskuneó" ......... "I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to kiss the hand tenderly.. proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees. So let me ask you this, "what is wrong with giving proskynéō to Jesus, it is NOT the same as the worship we give to his father Yehovah ??? Did you know that people in the Bible were given proskynéō does that mean that they were worshipped in the same way that we worship God ? For example if you were to give proskynéō to the queen of England, and bow when meeting her, would that be worship ? Of course not ! By the same token, if you were to bow down before an alter of Budda for example would that be considered worship in this sense of the word ? More than likely it would! So you see it all depends who you are giving proskynéō to and the context. I think it is very disingenuous to use the word proskynéō in blanket, one size fits all terminology, especially from someone like yourself who purports to understand Greek ! Sometimes you have to look at the original Greek and what it ACTUALLY MEANS, or rather what the koine Greek meant !
@pruvengsx1
@pruvengsx1 2 жыл бұрын
So I take it that u are a Jehovah witness?
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
@@pruvengsx1 Yes........At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to do your own study and not take peoples word for it !
@lg6700
@lg6700 2 жыл бұрын
@@STROND The video explains conclusively that the Bible affirms a self-consistent use of προσκυνἐω, and, thereby, that Jesus is the Messiah and God. By interjecting Strong's concordance or any other extraBiblical commentaries on the use of the word, even your own opinion, you only strengthen the argument in the videos, namely, that the Bible is self-consistent and one must go outside the Bible to assert otherwise.
@worwornyoagyeman6345
@worwornyoagyeman6345 4 жыл бұрын
God bless you for the biblical explanation!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Appreciated.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man.
@gerrardthemagnificent5960
@gerrardthemagnificent5960 4 жыл бұрын
1 Amen, haven't finished the video yet, 2 and 3 pending for amens
@gerrardthemagnificent5960
@gerrardthemagnificent5960 4 жыл бұрын
2 and 3 amen confirmed. Solid teaching
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being here. I appreciate you.
@patriciahines7127
@patriciahines7127 3 жыл бұрын
Truth , truth , truth . Thanks 😊 for sharing your knowledge . Why do JWS in the new world translation you obeisance to show Jesus didn’t accept worship ?
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
Here ya go........At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man.
@dalet9841
@dalet9841 4 жыл бұрын
They change the word to obeisance wherever it says worship. Do both words mean the same?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, they do. But it does not help them because they need to be consistent. In other words, men and angels cannot receive obeisance, only God can. Yet Jesus receives it. As i said in the video, it doesn’t matter what the word mean - it can only be rendered to God and Jesus accepted it without problem. There should be some solid ground to give a word one meaning over the other. So far i have not seen any, so the argument remains that in the NT it has a consistent meaning of worship.
@patriciahines7127
@patriciahines7127 4 жыл бұрын
Debbie you are so right Jehovah witness’s says Jesus didn’t accept worship .
@BEN280184
@BEN280184 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Debbie. Look at the answer I just gave Stan. there is a link to a docuement that will answer your question. Basicaly obeisance and 'worship' can in some circumstances mean the same thing. Howvwer the Greek word proskunio that Stan is referring to in his video *never means* 'reloigous type worship' as Stan has suggested.
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
@@BEN280184 Proskuneō occurs 60 times in the Greek Scriptures. Of the 17 times it applies to Jesus, all 17 occurrences were translated by the New World Translation as obeisance. (In the 2013 revision, 2 of these times have been changed to "bow".) The only other instance where prokuneō is translated as 'obeisance' is when Cornelius bows to Peter. (Worship would be correct here as well. Peter interprets this act as a form of worship, as he rejects it immediately.) Of the remaining 42 times proskuneō appears, it is always translated as worship, regardless of whether it is referring to Jehovah, angels, humans, Satan, demons, the wild beast and its image, or idols.
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
@@patriciahines7127 JWs are false teachers, false prophets, a terrible cult!
@hikingviking859
@hikingviking859 4 жыл бұрын
You’re adorable, thank you
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
That's an interesting compliment. ☺️
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Lol it sounds like proskunew ha ha ha ha. I hope that like Peter your not accepting it Lol
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
@@alfredgrioli9474 God forbid! All glory to the Lord who gives me strength and ability.
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Lol You proved the point my friend. You are humble! And yet what you received was homage, not worship.
@marciaogbomo3045
@marciaogbomo3045 4 жыл бұрын
Amen to all
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@ThePainterr
@ThePainterr 3 жыл бұрын
This wasn't so mind blowing from the perspective that a JW will dismiss this fairly easily with this play on definitions, namely, "... " Hence, witnesses would see these verses as only showing [submission] just as a slave would to a master. Only God the father,namely, Jehovah, is to be [worshipped] in a religious sense. This is how they reason on this topic further: "The reading of Matthew 28:9 appears on the face of it to look like a flat contradiction of what Jehovah’s witnesses teach, but, of course, the King James Bible translators would naturally want to support their trinitarian view by rendering the Greek word here into English as “worshipped.” However, it is interesting to note howby Smith and Goodspeed renders Matthew 28:9. It reads: “And Jesus himself met them, and said, ‘Good morning!’ And they went up to him and clasped his feet, and bowed to the ground before him.” Thesays: “They approached and caught him by his feet and did obeisance to him.” This bowing to the ground or doing obeisance to the resurrected Jesus does not mean worshiping him. If it did, then men of God in ancient times could be found guilty of worshiping human creatures, because they bowed before them; whereas the angel that was used to transmit the Revelation to the apostle John stopped him when he wanted to worship the angel, and told him to worship only God.-Rev. 19:10; 22:8.
@brenosantana1458
@brenosantana1458 Жыл бұрын
Mat 5 17 20.
@randallwittman2720
@randallwittman2720 3 ай бұрын
Worshiping was nothing to be guilty of.! It's just a manor of showing honor to an authority.
@JasonJacksonJames
@JasonJacksonJames Жыл бұрын
Didn't watch the video but I'm a JW. Ask me anything
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm 8 ай бұрын
... and we do have the answers... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNR0otR429KcqoU.htmlsi=2fWsIbvknyxGJwaw
@ipaporod
@ipaporod Ай бұрын
You are supposed to be taught the true gospel of salvation not asked !
@JasonJacksonJames
@JasonJacksonJames Ай бұрын
@@ipaporod To gain salvation, you must exercise faith in Jesus and demonstrate that faith by obeying his commands.​-Acts 4:​10, 12; Romans 10:​9, 10; Hebrews 5:9.
@isaiahreno
@isaiahreno 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Recently I've been contemplating this, and my world would honestly crumble if Jesus was not Yahweh 😔
@gerryquinn5578
@gerryquinn5578 2 жыл бұрын
Did Jesus ever claim to be Yahweh ? He prayed to Yahweh. He worshiped Yahweh. Was he praying to and worhiping himself? When he refused to be called 'good teacher' because only God is good; when he stated that he didn't know the day or the hour because only God did, does this sound to you that he was Yahweh or someone different from Yahweh. The NT is clear that Jesus had a God. The resurrected Jesus had a God (John 20 :17) and the glorified Jesus in heaven has a God ( rev 3 :12). A God that has a God is clearly not God Almighty, which Yahweh is. The original confession of faith was that Jesus was the Messiah /Christ, thr Son of God. This is not the same as being Yahweh. Jesus is differentiated over a thousand times from Gpd in the Bible. There are further problems that you may wish to consider. Yahweh is the name of God (Psalm 83 :18). Jesus is the name of the Son of God. But in the doctrine of the Trinity, the person of the Father is NOT the person of the Son. If Yahweh is the Father ( John 17 :3), Jesus, the Son, cannot be the Father. Furthermore, if Yahweh is the name of God ( Triune ?), then Jesus the Son, cannot be all members of the triune God. I think your world may be about to crumble.
@truthwatchers
@truthwatchers 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerryquinn5578 Strange! God needed another created being to do all His work. Hmm.. I think the bible looses all its power if Jesus wasn't the only son of God equal to Him and of the same nature. God is one holy God in 3 persons. Because he can. And He's not limited. Whether people believe it or not, it stays true and it doesn't change. It's only their loss, if they reject the son, they reject the father. Colossians 1:19" For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in him." You can dismantle, pick and choose, change the grammar and add some letters here and there to mutate the meaning, but the truth still stands regardless. Just ask God and He will answer, it's His promise after all.
@gerryquinn5578
@gerryquinn5578 2 жыл бұрын
@@truthwatchers : I appreciate you taking time to reply and expressing your views which I'm sure you hold sincerely. However, we both know that sincerity is not the same as truth. God did not need anyone for any purpose. But out of his love he created and gave life. Surely even you don't disagree with that. The Bible identifies Jesus as the only begotten Son of God. I share this view. I don;t recall the Bible talking in detail about nature/ essence etc. This is the stuff of Greek philosophy. We share the same nature ( human mature) but that does not make us the same being. God is indeed holy, but nowhere in scripture does it say that he is one God in three persons. Indeed, the Shema sees him as a one person God. Jesus restated the Shema. I agree that if we reject the Son we have rejected the Father. I did as k God and he did answer. I am simply suggesting an alternative point of view which I believe is very much based on scripture. However, I fully understand that you may disagree and hold different views.
@truthwatchers
@truthwatchers 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerryquinn5578 I am not talking about a person I know of. I'm talking about a person I personally know and talk to on a daily basis and have a personal relationship with. It's totally different when you read and study about someone and when you've personally experienced life with them. God did everything Himself. He's the only God that can be worshipped. There's no other " a god" besides Him. "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Acts 20:28
@gerryquinn5578
@gerryquinn5578 2 жыл бұрын
@@truthwatchers : I appreciate you taking time to reply. Please permit me to make some observations which ultimately suggest an alternative view : 1. You talk about your personal relationship with God. But in what way is this any more valid than the relationship Christians from different denomonations have with God, or even non Christians such as Moslems and Jews, who also claim a personal relationship with God. 2. I agree that only the one true God deserves to be worshiped(John 17 :3). However, it is scripturally incorrect to say that "there 's no other 'a god' besides him. In the Bible, the word 'God' has a wider range of meanings and others are called 'God' such as Moses, Hebrew Kings, Judges ,angels - even the devil. 3. You quote Acts 20 :28. But many other Bibles render this problematic verse differently :"to care for the Church of God which he obtained by the blood of HIS OWN SON." ( see RSV 1971 ed, NRSV. NJB;CJB. CEB; GNT; LEB; and many more. Thus this verse. by itself, proves little and in many other translations undermines your point completely. 4. I hope that you will give some prayerful thought to many of the points I mention previously which you seem to have simp;ly ignored.
@Omegha94zip
@Omegha94zip 2 жыл бұрын
Amen, Amen and AMEN!
@usethis2mail
@usethis2mail 3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I’m wrong but this video seems a bit disingenuous to the Koine Greek language and the audience. So my question: Is the only application of the Koine Greek word προσεκύνησαν only to mean “Worship” in a English? If not then how do you determine the difference of meaning applicable to where, how and who the word was used? Examplem Matthew 15:25 - NAS: But she came and [began] to bow down before Him, saying Matthew 8:2 - NAS: came to Him and bowed down before Him, and said Matthew 9:18 - NAS: came and bowed down before Him, and said, INT: certain having come knelt down to him saying Matthew 20:20 - NAS: to Jesus with her sons, bowing down and making a request INT: sons of her kneeling down and asking Yet KJV has worship in all scriptures with Matthew 20:20 refers to Jesus
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
Great observation! However, the English translation is irrelevant at all in my argument. Just leave it untranslated as "proskuneo". In the NT, men cannot be proskuneod, angels cannot be proskuneod, only God should be proskuneod. Whatever that word means. Yet Jesus is portrayed as the one who accepts it. Makes sense?
@usethis2mail
@usethis2mail 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll I’m may be irrelevant to your argument, however the correct definition it is very much relevant to mine Why? Well let’s use Matthew 2:2 - KJB has worship for (προσκυνῆσαι). English definition - “to do reverence to”and as pointed out it’s usage can be “I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship” which all have different meanings. Ie I could go on my knees or do obeisance to a King that does not necessarily mean worship. Since the various meanings, has the basis for translating (προσκυνῆσαι) as “worship” more to do with the presupposed view of the Trinity doctrine. Already accepting Jesus is God?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
@@usethis2mail My friend, do you use online translators for this communication? I have difficulties understanding your comments. As for Matt 2:2, it is obvious that the magi came to worship Jesus and not just to bow down to him. Note, they didn't proskuneo Herod, the king of the Jews! Yet, they want to proskuneo Jesus. He is more than just a king here. King Herod didn't miss it, and sarcastically says "I also want to proskuneo him" Imatt 2:8). I don't think Herod would want to bow down to any person here. Thus, proskuneo in Matt 2 is truly "to worship." If you missed it, you really missed what Matthew is trying to say.
@usethis2mail
@usethis2mail 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll No online translation used. I will critique better before sending. Two questions? Although "προσκυνῆσαι" has various usages, have you automatically selected "worship" So let’s say you owed a very large debt to a powerful King and that King was going to take from you everything you had. Say your house, wife, children, etc and you fell down and did Proskuneo to him pleading to give you more time. What would the English translation of that Greek word “Proskuneo” be?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
@@usethis2mail 1. I have not used automatically "worship." 2. In this context the better rendering would be "to bow down with reverence and respect and fear." This being said, it does not negate the notes of worship. You see, somehow you try to contrast "to worship" and "to do obeisance" as opposite. They are not. Obeisance is part of worship. Not opposite to it. In Matt 18, the king is the image of God. Let's just keep it in mind.
@Brit_News
@Brit_News 4 жыл бұрын
Totally wrong brother Proskinao: to prostrate or offer respect. It can be offered to men as well God Latrevo: to offer sacred service: the word is used for the Father only and never Jesus
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for contribution. I would not say that I'm totally wrong, it all depends how fluent you are with Greek texts. Outside of the Bible both words could be directed to humans. While in OT proskunew was used for both God/gods and humans, latreuw indeed was used specifically for sacred service to God/gods (as the service to humans was described by douleuw). In the NT though, both words bear sacred character and used in reference to God/gods only. In Rev 22:3, it seems that latreuw is given to both God and the Lamb.
@Brit_News
@Brit_News 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Yes I'm Greek and have studied Greek classic and Greek Koini of the Bible are you a Greek? have you been a Jehovah's Witness in the past?
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
Proskuneō occurs 60 times in the Greek Scriptures. Of the 17 times it applies to Jesus, all 17 occurrences were translated by the New World Translation as obeisance. (In the 2013 revision, 2 of these times have been changed to "bow".) The only other instance where prokuneō is translated as 'obeisance' is when Cornelius bows to Peter. (Worship would be correct here as well. Peter interprets this act as a form of worship, as he rejects it immediately.) Of the remaining 42 times proskuneō appears, it is always translated as worship, regardless of whether it is referring to Jehovah, angels, humans, Satan, demons, the wild beast and its image, or idols.
@Brit_News
@Brit_News 4 жыл бұрын
@@wylolister3218 prskynao is a broad term used both for men and God and it can mean offering worship or respect towards a higher office.Therefore can not be used to make an argument for Jesus being the Almighty God.Please do your research on the word "latrevo" which is used ONLY for the Father and never for Jesus. Interestingly Jesus never asked Satan to worship him but told to worship the Father.If Jesus was the Almighty God wouldn't it have been more logical to ask worship for himself?
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
@@Brit_News JWs have no problem translating it as "worship" EXCEPT when it come to Jesus. Odd don't you think? Do some more research yourself.
@jeneb52
@jeneb52 4 жыл бұрын
Amen to all those verses, I used to be in the cult. I could plainly see how they refused to give worship to Jesus, maybe that's why I left. I learned some Greek at the same time, thank you!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I am glad it was helpful.
@jeneb52
@jeneb52 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll oh it was, you know they used to Worship Jesus; but slowly over the years they changed their beliefs. Even in one book the then president of the cult said Lucifer was the creator of this planet! So many crazy beliefs in that cult too.
@josephtucker9612
@josephtucker9612 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeneb52 That is a lie. Give the name of the book and page number.
@jeneb52
@jeneb52 3 жыл бұрын
@@josephtucker9612 what's a lie, tell me ?
@josephtucker9612
@josephtucker9612 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeneb52 Are you saying JW's had a book that said Lucifer was the creator of the planet?
@khumbomunsaka716
@khumbomunsaka716 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN AMEN AMEN. I have a question. The JW Bible translates proskuneo as "do Obeisance" How do you respond to that?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great question and it will require much time to explain in details. I'm going to make a video about it at some point. In brief, this word could be interpreted as "reverence, respect, obeisance" when given to people. Usually the context shows which meaning should be used. JW apply it to Jesus as obeisance not because of the context but rather because of their bias that Jesus is not God and thus could not be worshipped. However, I do believe that this is exactly how it should be interpreted. For this, every single reference to Jesus must be studied separately. There is no space to do it here, unfortunately. The problem with JW is that they view obeisance as opposite to worship, but it is not true. Obeisance is part of worship. Although, not every obeisance is worship; every worship includes obeisance, reverence. These terms are not mutually exclusive, they are complimentary.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
This might help......At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to spend a bit of time digging into Gods word !
@hery4uw580
@hery4uw580 3 жыл бұрын
Please tell me what Bible app that you Use???
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
I use the Accordance Software.
@hery4uw580
@hery4uw580 3 жыл бұрын
thank you brother .. Lord Jesus bless you
@biblefacts7794
@biblefacts7794 4 жыл бұрын
so we can only worship God and Jesus accepts worship so He is God? 3 amen amen amen
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@JoseGonzalez-zb5rz
@JoseGonzalez-zb5rz 4 жыл бұрын
to the JW'S Jesus is A GOD but the trouble is that there's only one GOD , JESUS was GOD in the flesh , also Jesus and the apostles never mentioned the name Jehovah only the father in heaven , note that grooves that we are all children of GOD our father who are in heaven. 1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
@@JoseGonzalez-zb5rz Fortunately for JWs 1Tim 2:5 which you quoted says that there is only ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and MEN. And who is this ONE who mediates between GOD and humanity? Well, according to you its GOD (Because to you a trinitarian, Jesus is God) But who does the apostle identify as our mediator not God not Jesus (as God) but the MAN Christ Jesus. I think that this scripture when examined correctly, favors JWs and not you as a trinitarian. God never became a man. It was not God who became a man. The WORD who was with God, became a MAN. To act as a mediator between THE GOD and MEN (sinful mankind). He, THE MEDIATOR would be required to be someone totally independent. Some one OTHER than GOD who could justly represent both sides. God on one side and sinful humanity on the other side. How can you, act to mediate between yourself and someone else. Can't you see what a huge conflict of interest that poses legally speaking. Didn't you ever stop to think about that? If you can see it now! Don't you think that God could see it too? In the Old Testament God chose Moses a man to mediate the Covenant between himself and the nation of Israel. But even so, if there was a conflict of interest. That question could never be raised. The advantage in having such a mediator (Moses the man) was entirely in Israel's favor and not in God's. Not so when the mediatorship is as you suggest, with God as a man. The advantage now shifts on to Gods side, as one who mediates for himself. God is first of all a God of JUSTICE. His justice is perfect and faultless. And yet even in a human court of law such a thing as this is not allowed. When you go to court you must have proper independent representation. Particularly in a mediation situation. The judge who presides can't also act as your lawyer to argue your case. You should also get your facts straight. Incorrect accusations don't work to your advantage. Your would only be slinging mud. And he who slings mud looses ground. I am not a JW, but I was once, so I know what I'm talking about, and I know that JWs don't say that Jesus is A GOD in the sense that you intimated. In John 1:1 JW do translate it to read "and the Word was a god" Whereas other translations, not all, prefer to render it as 'and the word was God' This may sound ridiculous to you at first, because there's you prefer to see only one GOD. The concept of another God sounds ridiculous to you. Doesn't it? But then you turn right around and with the same breath you claim that JESUS was GOD in the flesh. The mediator MAN is now a GOD. Now there is not 1 GOD for you but 2 GODS. You have turned 1 GOD into 2 GODS. And in the trinity you even turn 1 GOD into 3 GODS. If Jesus the man is the WORD and as you claim JESUS is GOD. Then the WORD is A GOD, isn't he? The problem with your criticism of the JW understanding of A GOD, is merely a supposition on your part, becasue you don't understand it all. And you actually do the same thing yourself. God the father = a God + God the son = a God + the Holly Spirit = a God. But there are not three GOD"S but ONE GOD. You conveniently forget that you also believe that the Word is a God and not the God head. Which is the more ridiculous and incomprehensible concept out of the two? The JWs A GOD or your concept of 3 A GODS Which, would appear to be the more correct? People in glass houses should not throw stones. Before you point the finger at someone else always remember that there are 3 fingers pointing back at you.
@brenosantana1458
@brenosantana1458 Жыл бұрын
Jesus is not God or a God. Only the father is God. John 17 3. See the LXX usage of proskyneo, or the variants like in the passage of Jacob and Esau. Basically Jesus is not God by the usage of the word. See Mark 5 6 and Luke 8 28 in Greek.
@biblefacts7794
@biblefacts7794 Жыл бұрын
@@brenosantana1458 read John 1:1
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the challenge you issued to JWs, to answer your question. I am not a JW, but I will accept the chalenge to answer your question in my own behalf and in the interests of biblical truth and integrity. Right from the start I am forced to take exception to the trinitarian logic in your line of argument, and in your conclusion. Father + Son + Spirit = God. If we express this mathematically, 1+1+1=1. Mathematically this doesn't work. 1+1+1 should =3 not 1. There is a similar trinitarian logic in your question. 1- You quote Acts 10:25,26 From this scripture you prove that HUMANS CAN'T BE WORSHIPED. 2- Next you now take us to Rev 19:9,10. To prove that ANGELS CAN'T BE WORSHIPED. 3- Next you quote Mat 4:9,10 To prove from Jesus reply to Satan's temptation, that ONLY GOD IS WORSHIPED. From these 3 scriptures you conclude that Jesus can't possibly be a created being. Since, as you have just shown from scripture, ONLY GOD CAN BE WORSHIPED. You now introduce a series of scriptures which according to your interpretation and logic prove that Jesus (the man) is God. WHY? Because he (Jesus) was worshiped. And there you have it! Its so simple! How can anyone miss it? Jesu must be God! Because Jesus was worshipped (he accepted it) and only God is to be worshipped. I don't have time here to examine all the scriptures you considered. Lets examine Acts 10:25,26 The first scripture you quoted. Because if your premise holds true for this scripture. It should theoretically hold true for all the others scriptures as well. But if it doesn't hold true. Your arguments would seem to be flawed right from the start. Let's examine Acts 10:25,26 and as it came, that Peter entered in, Cornelius having met him, having fallen at his feet, did bow before him; Notice how Young's Literal Translation renders the Greek word προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen) as bowed. Strong's Analytical Concordance assigns the Greek word prosekynēsen the following meaning. SEE Strong's Greek 4352;: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage. Not in worship! Many bible translations, translate προσεκύνησεν as homage, adored, bowed. I like the way the NIV translates Acts 10:25; As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. A lot of people are not going to like this. But I find that the JWs New World Translation is also accurate in its translation of this scripture. As Peter entered. Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet and did (prosekynēsen) obeisance to him. It could be argue that you have the majority of translators in your favour. Because most translations render prosekynēsen as worship. So who is right? Is this word (prosekynēsen) intended to be worship, like the worship one gives to God alone. Or is it a form of worship given as a form of obeisance as rendered by the NWT. You interpret worship to be the worship that is exclusively given to God. Your entire argument rests on this premise. And it's here that most commentators and Bible scholars don't support your conclusions and your interpretation of prosekynēsen. I suspect you knew this, but conveniently ignored this fact. Here is what Barnes has to say about the meaning of prosekynēsen in Acts 10:25 Fell down at his feet - This was an act of profound regard for him as an ambassador of God. In Oriental countries it was usual for persons to prostrate themselves at length on the ground before men of rank and honor. "Worshiped him" This does not mean religious homage, but civil respect - the homage, or profound regard which was due to one in honor. According to Barnes this is not worship in a religious sense. As you interpret it. But in a civil form of respect as homage, intended to honour a person. And the vast majority of scholars support this interpretation of προσεκύνησεν. Here is what Vincent's Word Studies has to say; Worshiped (προσεκύνησεν) An unfortunate translation, according to modern English usage, but justified by the usage of earlier English, according to which to worship meant simply to honor. Worship is worthship, or honor paid to dignity or worth. This usage survives in the expressions worshipful and your worship. In the marriage-service of the English Church occurs the phrase, "With my body I thee worship." So Wycliffe renders Matthew 19:19, "Worship thy father and thy mother;" and John 12:26, "If any man serve me, my Father shall worship him." Here the meaning is that Cornelius paid reverence by prostrating himself after the usual oriental manner. On the basis of this evidence Your premise is wrong right from the start. And your argument rests on scriptures that are not applicable to your conclusion. In the logic of Mathematics 1+1+1=3 But language doesn't work this way. Language has lots of meanings, which, we might say, alter the value of 1. This is what trinitarians so often do. They use philosophical explanation to explain an incomprehensible mistery. How 1+1+1=1 And it just doesn't work. What never ceases to amaze me is how trinitariians use the incarnation to explain away scripture. For example, If a scripture says that Jesus called God "his God". Trinitarians will argue that he did so because Jesus was a man (incarnate). But when it suits them they will argue from an opposite point of view. Just lIke you do in your argument. They (trinitarians) will argue that, since Jesus was a man and received worship, which you conclude is only given to God. Therefore he (Jesus) must be God. How convenient! when a scripture calls into question his divinity of Jesus, he was just a man. But when he receives obeisance (worship) as a man of God. This is misconstrued as worship that belongs to God and subsequently becomes undeniable proof that Jesus is God Another thing that never ceases to amaze me, is how trinitarians so often twist logic and scripture to prove their inexplicable and incomprehensible mystery. That 1+1+1=1 and often try to make it fit into the Bible. For example Trinitarians accept that Jesus Christ is the Jewish Messiah. And Messiah came to earth as a perfect man, without sin, to redeem us. But trinitarians never consider the question, to redeem us from what? To redeem us from Adamic sin. The ransom is required by God to erase Adamic sin from us, together with the consequences of that sin. But what they so often fail to consider is how in the Bible God showed that in order to forgive sin through sacrifice, the services of a third party to serve as a mediator is required. This third party must be a human, a person separate distinct. that stands apart from God as the representative of those who are ransomed. Humanity are the beneficiaries of the ransom exchange. This requires the services of a priest. In the case of the Old Covenant, a Levitical priests where appointed by God . In the case of the New Covenant a King Priest in the likeness of Melchizedek is required. Jesus therefore can't be God + the sacrifice + the Priest. Why? because if he is all these 3 things all rolled into one, It represents a clear conflict of interest and it defeats the purpose of a ransom. The whole thing becomes an exercise in judicial futility. And makes a mockery of God's perfect justice. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Or a perfect man for a perfect man. God might as well have forgiven us our inherited Adamic sin right from the start and spared us all the subsequent misery and human suffering that followed, If he (God) intended to ransom us himself, why require a ransom at all? God's ransoming us himself would serve no objective in justice at all. Since he is the one who both requires (exacts) the ransom and furnishes it what justice is served by such an action. A ransom is a price, set in exchange and it requires the services of an independent third party to pay the price and to mediate between God and man. SEE 1Tim 2:5. You are mistaken about who Christ Jesus is. If you think he (Jesus) is God and God ransomed us. READ John 3:16. He (Jesus) is the Son of God. READ Philippians 2:11
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a deep and detailed comment. It takes time, so I appreciate it. In the second part of your comment, you went into a theological discussion of the ransom. I'm not in the theology field; I'm in the biblical studies area, so the way theologians draw conclusions is a little foreign to me. Yet, I'll offer my brief reply to this and other parts of your writing. 1. As for the 1+1+1=1, it is as simple as "the man shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." (1+1=1 Gen 2:24, Matt 19:5m Mk 10:8, Eph 5:31). Note that they are not just one in spirit, one in thoughts, one in views on parenting, they are one flesh. Two different persons, yet one flesh. If one accepts 1+1=1; then 1+1+1=1 should not cause any problem. 2. The argument about the 3rd party mediator between God and men is quite interesting. Where is the 3rd party comes from? If it cannot be God himself, then why do you accept that it is of men? Should not he be totally neutral? "A perfect man for a sinful man" sounds OK, yet if the perfect man is only a human then humanity ransoms itself and is saved by works apart from God. The idea of Jesus being God and offering a ransom doesn't deny or diminish the price he paid. In terms of redemption, I understand that it is patterned after the Abrahamic covenant (Gen 15) when God cut the covenant with Abraham and God himself walked between the cut animal as assurance that God will fulfill the covenant. Abraham needed only to believe. God makes the covenant and fulfills it. I think we could talk a lot about it, as you know it is a big topic. 3. Now to the question of proskunew. I want to give you credit for understanding the logic of my video. I also admit that you realized that I know other meanings of proskunew. I do. Yet, I believe the word should be translated as worship. In short, and I mentioned it in the video (twice!), it does NOT MATTER how we translate proskunew. Let's say we don't know any of its meanings. The logic of my video would be: a. Men cannot receive proskunew. b. Angel refused to receive proskunew. c. God must be proskunew-ed. d. Jesus accepted proskunew, so he is God. I also mentioned, that if it was just a form of respect, or honor, or customary tradition, Peter would have no problem to accept it, especially if it was customary!!! In Rev 13, the dragon and the beasts demand the worship of all who live on earth; those who give it to them receive the mark of the beast, those who don't will be persecuted. You may say, it's a homage, or obeisance, or honor, - it does not matter in the context. God's people don't give proskunew to the beast and get the seal of God. Finally, this whole argument that "homage" or "obeisance" is somewhat lesser than worship is very weak. Often both of these meanings are part of worship. Just look at Daniel 3 (where proskunew appears 10 times), when people were asked to bow down and give proskunew to the golden statue. Everyone could just say, "I just give obeisance, but not worship when I kneel." It does not work like that. Anyway, I appreciate you and your input into the discussion. You are valued. Blessings.
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Thanks for your kind comment. I appreciate it. I am not going to respond directly to point 1 in your reply. Because as you rightly point out, it's theologically complex. Therefore I will let the readers to make up their own minds, as to their scriptural validity and accuracy of my simplistic arguments. However I would like to respectfully respond to your third point first. Because it is directly related to the original question that you posed in your video. Your conclusion rests on this question. Why was proskunew (worship) accepted by Christ while it was rejected by Peter, Paul and others and even by the angels? All servants of God know that there is one quality above most others that God our father delights to see in all his faithful servants. Humility! We know what happened to Moses when he temporarily, under extreme pressure lost sight of his humility and forgot his place before God. Christians are not after the homage or obeisance of their fellow man and neither are the angels. We are all brother in Christ and we are all equal in God's eyes. Christ Jesus however is entitled to receive the glory, the honour and the recognition for his faith, his love and his obedience to the father. Also because God has elevated him and has given him a name that is above all other names. Does this prove that Jesus is God because he accepted the proskunew that others refused. NO that is merely an assumption which the scriptures do not support. As I have shown there are 2 kinds of worship (proskunew) one is civil and we are allowed to give it and receive it in accord with ancient custom. But there is another form of worship (proskunew). Or sacred service which is religious and this form of worship is only to be given to God. Clearly the majority of scholars agree with this understanding of proskuneo. Christ's acceptance of worship (proskunew) in this sense does not prove that Christ Jesus is God.In conclusion I believe that scripturally the proskunew I render to Jesus is different to the prokunew that I am required to render to God. But even if it is the same worship. As a creation of God, I love and obey God. If God said that he has now temporarily elevated you above everyone else who has ever existed and that I should now worship (proskunew) you. I would worship you in obedience to God. But that command of God. By itself, is insufficient proof for me to conclude that you are God. Even if God has never given a command like this before. And this would not alter the fact that you are created being. This is simply an assumption on your part. And I think that you should at the very least humbly acknowledge this possibility. Phil 2:9, 1Cor 15:28, 1Cor 11:3 I value your comments and your cordial response. Thank you and I wish you well.
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
@@alfredgrioli9474 thx for ur reply. here's my other point.God said " I am God Almighty", The use of I am, means GOD is ONE PERSON. Do you use I am, me, myself, me alone for ONE PERSON or THREE PERSONS? You only use those phrases for ONE person and NEVER FOR THREE PERSONS.
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll GOD IS ONLY ONE PERSON - God said " I am God Almighty", The use of I am, means GOD is ONE PERSON. Do you use I am, me, myself, me alone for ONE PERSON or THREE PERSONS? You only use those phrases for ONE person and NEVER FOR THREE PERSONS.
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll u said ""the man shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." ONE FLESH HERE IS NOT A LITERAL FLESH, it is a figure of speech. When we say ONE GOD, that is LITERAL and NOT A FIGURE OF SPEECH. GOD IS ONE PERSON only, as he uses I AM, ME, MYSELF, ME ALONE,
@franciscolobo1151
@franciscolobo1151 2 жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord..
@TruceForChrist
@TruceForChrist 9 ай бұрын
Wow Bro Praise our Mighty King And Risen Saviour Jesus Christ our Beautiful Lord and God 🙌🙌🙌❤️💯😃
@MommaBear-ml5zx
@MommaBear-ml5zx 9 ай бұрын
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 1 God, the Father and 1 Lord Jesus Christ. Please read 1 Timothy 2:5 and tell me why it is if Jesus IS God the Father why the mediator?
@TruceForChrist
@TruceForChrist 9 ай бұрын
@@MommaBear-ml5zx who said Jesus my Saviour Is God The Father ? Or The Father ? Certainly Not me . 1 Corinthians 8v6 please read .
@MommaBear-ml5zx
@MommaBear-ml5zx 9 ай бұрын
@@TruceForChrist then what did you mean when you commented "..... Jesus Christ our Beautiful Lord and God." As you realize and know there is only 1 God and that is Jehovah God the Father. If Jesus is God then that would be 2 Gods, yes.
@TruceForChrist
@TruceForChrist 9 ай бұрын
@@MommaBear-ml5zx Is The Lord Jesus Christ God ? Yes He Is . Co Equal with The Father ? Un Created ? Yes He Is, As Is Also The Holy Spirit Who Is God . Just a couple Prophecies About The Lord Jesus Christ - Isaiah 7v14 + Isaiah 9v6 And The New Testament - 1 Timothy 3v16 + Philippians 2v5 + John 8v58 + John 10v30 . The Holy Spirit Is God - Acts 5v3-4+v9 + 5v32 + Acts 8v27-29 + 13v2 + 15v28-29 + 16v6-7 + 19v6 and there are Many others in other Books . Father , Son , Holy Spirit as One - Mark 1v9-12 + 12v35-37 + Hebrews 2v3-4 + 9v14 + Ephesians 2v18 + 3v4-5 + 4v3-7 + 4v30-32 +5v20 + Matthew 28v19 + 1 John 4v13-14 + 1John 5v7-8 these are only afew, if still you believe otherwise it's Simply because you don't want to . I advise you to go to The Lord Jesus Christ because of His Own Words in John 6v37-40 . We are ALL Commanded to Repent , The Lord Himself Said that to the Multitudes in Mark 1v15 + Matthew 4v17 + Luke 13v1-5 . I am Born Again Redeemed by The Sinless Blood of my Saviour , Sealed , Sanctified ( Ephesians 1v13-14 and there are Many others ) by The Precious Holy Spirit till the Day of Redemption . Please read Matthew 16v13-17 and I'll leave you with this - " Get The Son Right and Everything Else will Fall into Place , Get The Son Wrong ?, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you Die . The Lord my Saviour Loves to Forgive Repentant Sinners ( Luke 15v7 + v10. God Bless you 🙂
@TruceForChrist
@TruceForChrist 9 ай бұрын
@@MommaBear-ml5zx No that's Ridiculous though I've already answered that if you would care to go through The Scriptures I've mentioned. And Actually talking about 2 Gods ? Please read John 1v1 in yr Bible, Yr Jehovah's witness right ? and Ask the Same question to your Organization . Yours has the word " A " Added . As I said Already, if you don't See Jesus Christ Is Lord God Almighty Co Equal with God The Father ? It's Simply because you don't want to
@JoseGonzalez-zb5rz
@JoseGonzalez-zb5rz 4 жыл бұрын
to the JW'S Jesus is A GOD. 1 Timothy 2:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus; ( the word became flesh in other words GOD became Jesus the man, since all man kind are sons of GOD, so is the MAN Jesus
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Great verse
@KelvinWilson53
@KelvinWilson53 4 жыл бұрын
@witness for Jesus being the Son the second person of the Godhead. Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. [ESV. Phil 2:5,8 John 17:5. Jesus the Son was praying to His Father.
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings Stan, I agree with you that proskuneo means prostate oneself in the ground to show a deep level of respect and adoration. However it does not mean “religious type worship”. No were does Jesus ever receive “religious type worship”. There are specific Greek words for “religious type worship” and they are never used of Jesus. The act of proskuneo was never reserved for a god. It was word that was used for people in a higher station of life. In today's world it would be equivalent to saluting a superior officer, standing for a Judge when he entrees or leaves his cor room, bowing to royalty. In the days the Bible was written it was used among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence. In the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication in the various ways used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank to the Jewish high priests to God to Christ to heavenly beings In Acts 10:3, Cornelius had been visited by an angel. As the account continues Peter also is visited by an angel. We are not told but the sense we get is that Cornelius felt that Peter was holy , and, thus of a higher station to himself. In keeping with the use of the word proskuneo, Cornelius wants to who Peter honour and respect because Peter was sent by the angel. Why does Peter refuse the honour? Because he is not superior to Cornelius It is the same in Revelation 19. The angel did not deserve to receive extra honour as a superior because the angle was a συνδουλος “fellow servant” of God. H was not John’s superior and not deserving of being shown honour. The angel tells John to show honour and respect. to God. The text DOES NOT SAY that prokuneo IS ONLY for God. To say that is reading into the text what is not there the correct literal rendering of Matthew 4:9-10 into English is… and he-is-saying to-him these all to-you I-shall-be-giving if-ever falling you-should-be-honouring to-me then is-saying to-him the Jesus be-you-going-away Satan it-has-been-written for lord the god of-you you-shall-be-honouring and to-him only you-shall-be-giving-divine-service Satan did not want Jesus to give him religious type worship. He just want some honour and respect from Jesus as a superior
@fredrolinners8903
@fredrolinners8903 3 жыл бұрын
What are some examples of "religious type worship" that are never used of Jesus?
@alfredgrioli9474
@alfredgrioli9474 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredrolinners8903 Perhaps your question should be rephrased. What are some actual examples of religious type worship that Jesus accepted? If he was recognized as God the Son there should be many.
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredrolinners8903 See me answer to alfred groli bellow
@fredrolinners8903
@fredrolinners8903 3 жыл бұрын
@@alfredgrioli9474 Stephen prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59-60).
@fredrolinners8903
@fredrolinners8903 3 жыл бұрын
@@watchtowerdefence571 There are many posts. Please provide the information.
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
TWO WORDS translated as By in Col 1:16 - 1. En - a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively),.. Notice it says INSTRUMENTALITY 2. Dia - a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act Notice it says CHANNEL OF AN ACT So Colossians 1:16 simply mentions that Jesus is USED BY GOD AS A CHANNEL OF AN ACT, AN INSTRUMENT in the Creation. Compare that to GOD in 1 Cor 8:6 , notice for God the Father he uses the word EK - or ex ex a primary preposition denoting ORIGIN (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote):- Notice GOD the Father is the ORIGIN/FROM ,THE SOURCE FROM WHOM ALL THINGS are created. BIG DIFFERENCE. So the FATHER IS the ORIGIN of all things. For JEsus, it didn;t use the word Origin but "THrough" which in the Original Greek word also means "a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act". So God the Father is like the WRITER, he used his Son as a channel of a act to write (like a pen). So the only writer is the Father, the Son was used as a channel and NOT THE ORIGIN of creation. This is confirmed by Jesus in John 5:19 - " Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.+" JESUS CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING , his FATHER always guide him.
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
"JESUS CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING , his FATHER always guide him." Of course, Phillipians 2:5-7 - 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, *existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,* 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.… he "emptied Himself", Jesus learned at the synagogues, got tired, hungry 1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, *the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:* He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
@wylolister3218
@wylolister3218 4 жыл бұрын
JWs should refrain from acting like they have Bible knowledge. "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
@@wylolister3218 again, better to correct your mistakes instead of becoming an atheist and lose faith in God.
@hasanhadinata5748
@hasanhadinata5748 3 жыл бұрын
Is a son name? Is a father name ?
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
This might help......At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to spend a bit of time digging into Gods word !
@HGANGHONY
@HGANGHONY 3 жыл бұрын
1 amen, 2 amen, 3 amen, worship Jesus amen.
@mr.d.c.1914.1
@mr.d.c.1914.1 4 жыл бұрын
the original greek word - proskunew - also means the following :3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication 3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank So those apply to Jesus as Jesus is King of kings and has become (future tense-will) a Mighty God (Not ALmighty God and Creator) Isa 9:6
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the input. I do agree that "proskunew" has this idea of falling down and giving homage/obeisance to the higher rank. A few notes: 1. Anyone who studies semantic fields will agree that one cannot just pick any meaning the word has and put it into any context. It should be clearly shown why one meaning is preferred over the others. We cannot just say it should be "obeisance" when it comes to Jesus. 2. Kings were often considered to be 'gods' so when someone "proskunew-ed" a king it means both homage and worship. Interestingly, wisemen didn't offer any homage/obeisance to Herod. I wonder why. 3. In salvation history Jesus was enthroned after his resurrection. Yet he accepted proskunew while he was on earth before his death. As I said in the video, it doesn't matter what the word proskunew means. The whole video could be summarized like this: Only God must be proscunew-ed, and Jesus received proscunew. So Jesus is ...
@shunnednon-membercopperfel6843
@shunnednon-membercopperfel6843 4 жыл бұрын
You must be a Witness, you are ignoring everything this Gentleman is saying, the fact Peter refused worship from Cornelius using the same word prokunew, which means to worship is ignored from you. If you want to go down the path of Isahiah 9:6, I could take you to your NWT to Isaiah 10:20-21, 20 In that day those remaining of Israel And the survivors of the house of Jacob Will no longer support themselves on the one who struck them;e But they will support themselves on Jehovah, The Holy One of Israel, with faithfulness. 21 Only a remnant will return, The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God.f Jehovah is referred to as Mighty God, your point!!! Also, in the NWT, Isaiah 43:10 it says, “You are my witnesses,”+ declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,+ So that you may know and have faith in me* And understand that I am the same One.+ Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. You quoted Isiah 9:6, so if there is only one God as the NWT says, why are you making references to Isiah 9:6, interesting!!! In Isiah 43:11, NWT, says: I-I am Jehovah,+ and besides me there is no savior. hmmmm, I thought our Savior was Jesus Christ?? I hope you could see the connection here, but from what I see you are in denial!! It doesn't matter what evidence anyone presents to you, you Witnesses are very good about not answering questions, you avoid, ignore them, or you attack ones character, you misapply scripture by cherry picking verses to support your doctrines, you set up straw man arguments and many or most times your explanations are very weak!!!
@JerryJones1914
@JerryJones1914 4 жыл бұрын
dl cx Why can you except people knows more about the Bible than Jehovah’s Witnesses you know me.. The Bible teaches the truth your Bible is full of lies and deception....
@JerryJones1914
@JerryJones1914 4 жыл бұрын
dl cx And by the way you still have not watch ...Jakke control... on KZfaq about your pedophile problems in your religion...
@thebosstv1183
@thebosstv1183 4 жыл бұрын
@@shunnednon-membercopperfel6843 Good job may Jesus bless us♥️ I hope you will make a vlogs exposing the wrong teaching of the jdubs
@shaunrichards855
@shaunrichards855 3 жыл бұрын
To all those saying things like "Why did Jesus pray to God or worship God if he was God?" there is a simply explanation. The governing body of Jehovah's witnesses consist of 8 people who speak to each other. Yet it is one body. Your body is made up of trillions of cells which communicate with each other in order to sustain life. (Your brain alone has billions of neurons which communicate with each other. ) Why is it so hard for some to accept that God has the power to be in more than one place or form at the same time?
@zachfanton6081
@zachfanton6081 2 жыл бұрын
You make a good point. I would also like to add that the idea of G-d Praying to Himself is actually a Jewish concept that can be found in Rabbinic literature. So it seems the Jewish authors of “The New Testament” did not see a problem with Yeshua, Who Is G-d, Praying to His Father, Who Is G-d. Shalom and Blessings in The Name of Yeshua of Nazareth, King Messiah, and our great G-d and Savior.
@archangeljesus4369
@archangeljesus4369 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus worshiped and prayed to God on many occasions. God doesn't need to pray or worship anybody. That's what makes him God.
@shaunrichards855
@shaunrichards855 2 жыл бұрын
@@archangeljesus4369 The Word was God... and the Word became flesh. John 1 1-14
@archangeljesus4369
@archangeljesus4369 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaunrichards855 Since God would never leave his throne, come down from heaven to become human, as it states in Numbers 23:19, God sent Michael the archangel to be his spokesman. That's why it says the word became flesh.
@shaunrichards855
@shaunrichards855 2 жыл бұрын
@@archangeljesus4369 Continue believing whatever heresy you like. Only God can save you now. Twisting the scriptures to suit yourself isn't getting you saved. There is only one name by which men can be saved. Only through Jesus who sits at the Father's right hand as his equal.
@RitaMalikfour
@RitaMalikfour 4 жыл бұрын
I wa t to k ow about the 1919 that Jesus cane to earth to choose the j w s fir his slaves? I can’t find in the bible Jesus cones here three times??? Do you know ?
@coachwork
@coachwork 4 жыл бұрын
No!
@RitaMalikfour
@RitaMalikfour 4 жыл бұрын
Candy Irish the g b push 1919and the elder in my i gregarious did so, I walked telling him shame I was not d f ? We are suppose to be under the g b , but God before men
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
@Rita Malik you raise a great question. I don't think the teaching that Jesus came in 1919 to earth is Biblical. I know JWs speak about 1914, and they changed so much about this date that it becomes impossible to trace what they believe about it now.
@kalyangollapalli7645
@kalyangollapalli7645 3 жыл бұрын
Amen Amen Amen!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
Praise God!
@wandalaielli3572
@wandalaielli3572 3 жыл бұрын
Amen to all!!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
Blessings!
4 жыл бұрын
excellent video brother, praise Jesus
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wonder if I should do more apologetic videos. :)
4 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll yes, please do. I gave this one 3 amens :)
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
@Lukas M Would be a great project, for sure.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
@ Amen!
@cubomagico6098
@cubomagico6098 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, what computer program is this?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
Accordance Bible software. Just google it.
@luketan7451
@luketan7451 9 ай бұрын
Stan, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe beyond any doubt the Scriptures confirming Jesus is God, including the direct claims references. For "proskuneo", I think it can refer to the kneeling at the feet of a higher authority, like a king or a master of slaves. The context can decide the implication of the "proskuneo". For Cornelius, Peter was aware he was not his master or Roman authority, hence he needed to stop Cornelius from giving him such honour otherwise meant for God in that situation. For the angel, he stated that he was a servant like John, and God is the Master of them both, hence this homage must be directed to Him. The Roman soldiers who mocked Jesus after putting on Him the thorny crown, was sarcastically playing with Him by kneeling to Him as the supposed to them King of the Jews. Matt 18:26 stated the servant "proskuneo" before his human master. But regarding the spiritual realm, angels cannot receive this act from human beings, in particular the servants of God.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 9 ай бұрын
You are right, the semantic range of the word “proskuneo” has the meaning “bow down”, “pay homage” and etc. the context is the king. Keep in mind that often the Bible writers employ sarcasm in their writings (show a dual meaning). For example, John writes that the high-priest suggest to kill Jesus because it’s better for one person to die instead of the whole nation. John, sees here a prophecy that this is what happened that Jesus died for all. In the same manner, when Herod wants to “proskuneo” baby Jesus or soldiers “proskuneo” Jesus, they may do it for just a human authority of a king, but Matthew hints that Jesus indeed worthy of it for he is Divine king. As for Matt 18, kings in ancient cultures often were worshipped. In addition, the king in this parable represents God himself, so “proskuneo” here is more than just homage to the king but the worship to God.
@timsavelle1791
@timsavelle1791 4 жыл бұрын
3 Amen!
@marilynmiddleton9088
@marilynmiddleton9088 Жыл бұрын
Yes spot on brother. Just a question, How did people WORSHIP the LORD in the Old Testament? How do we do it now? We have no Jesus to see with our eyes!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll Жыл бұрын
Great question. Worship is diverse and could be expressed in various forms such as sacrifices, keeping commandments, helping poor and widows, having a holy living and etc. In brief, loving God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves.
@RitaMalikfour
@RitaMalikfour 4 жыл бұрын
All worship belongs to God , amen to all that agree that god before nen
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Well said
@rosierussell1103
@rosierussell1103 Жыл бұрын
All comments I agree with. Amen to all you said. God bless you
@robertcratchet1634
@robertcratchet1634 10 ай бұрын
amen amen amen! Thank you for posting this great video!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 10 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@yogi19581
@yogi19581 4 жыл бұрын
Amen, amen, amen.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
😀 Thanks! Blessings to you!
@jason___4010
@jason___4010 Жыл бұрын
Question, does the Greek word proskuneo always mean to worship in the Bible?
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll Жыл бұрын
No. In the OT it had a wider meaning. In the NT, it seems that the meaning narrows down mostly towards worship.
@waynealan2226
@waynealan2226 3 жыл бұрын
Rather simple. The translation of the Koine Greek word " προσεκύνησεν " does not mean "worship" but means "did obeisance" which in modern terms means "to bow down", "showing deep respect for one superior to himself". This is a very simple error in translation. Reference Strongs Concordance προσκύνημα -- pilgrimage, prostration, obeisance
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
Here ya go......At Rev. 3:9 Jesus shows the position of authority he will give to some of his human followers when he says he will make people "worship before thy feet." - KJV. The word used there is proskuneo! The ASV again adds this footnote: "The Greek word [proskuneo] denotes an act of reverence whether paid to a creature, or the Creator.........Looks like proskuneo is be given to humans in TWO seperate occasions here........ King James Bible Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship (Grk, PROSKUNEO ) before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There you go, too me all of about 5min to find 2 examples of PROSKUNEO being given to man. You just got to spend a bit of time digging into Gods word !
@jwsnotruth7106
@jwsnotruth7106 4 жыл бұрын
Great work !
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@sandycochran9361
@sandycochran9361 4 жыл бұрын
Amen
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm 7 ай бұрын
Sad thing is, we, indeed, can answer these questions, but when we post them here, they get deleted.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 7 ай бұрын
I dont delete any comments unless they are inappropriate or abusive.
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm 7 ай бұрын
@@GreekForAll Thanks, that's good to know. I'm very conscious of being respectful and kindly in my comments. i looked up and down for my comments and still can't find them. Sometimes KZfaq deletes them too. I will post the answers again Jehovah's Witnesses can indeed answer about Jesus and Worship. Thanks.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 7 ай бұрын
@@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm it’s great to have you here. I will also double check the section which KZfaq holds for the review. I do not set any restrictions on comments but the KZfaq holds some for review. Maybe yours are there.
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm
@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm 7 ай бұрын
@@GreekForAll I do have to admit, sometimes my comments are 'cut-n-paste' from documents I have written and updated over the years. It might be KZfaq takes them as ads and removes them. For now, I see the link of a video I made at home during the covid isolation is still active. The video isn't near as comprehensive though, but the basics are presented (and they're presented in a kindly way :) ).
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 7 ай бұрын
@@JehovahsWitnessHistoryOnFilm perhaps this is the reason. Usually comments with links are held for review as scam/ads potential.
@honestyb2754
@honestyb2754 4 жыл бұрын
Amen 🙏🏾!! Amen 🙏🏾!! Amen 🙏🏾!! Amen 🙏🏾
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@sharonallan4920
@sharonallan4920 Жыл бұрын
Jesus said do not worship me. Only worship God the father. Jesus also said I do not know when the end will be. Only the Father knows, Jehovah. I'm not baptised only studying yet I know the truth when I hear it. Shame on you ex witnesses.
@timsavelle1791
@timsavelle1791 4 жыл бұрын
1 Amen!
@enohookoro9806
@enohookoro9806 3 жыл бұрын
Amen Amen and Amen!!!
@ThatBrownBat777
@ThatBrownBat777 3 жыл бұрын
3 Amen
@maheshbhosale3585
@maheshbhosale3585 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful !
@luketan7451
@luketan7451 9 ай бұрын
1.Amen 2.Amen 3.Amen. Such an important verb "proskuneo", and must be directed to the right Person! God alone! Surprised that even John the apostle could get it wrong, to be corrected by the angel. With Jesus now in heaven, we cannot do this to anyone, human or angel.
@mamawlife7852
@mamawlife7852 2 жыл бұрын
I am trying to find out if Jehovah was purposely taken out of the Bible when translated into English as the JW has said. They say that many words were changed and taken out. I would like to know from a Greek speaking and reading person if the kjv is in fact exactly like the original Holy Bible.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 2 жыл бұрын
This question has 2 parts: 1. There are 5700+ NT manuscripts. As far as I know there are no NT manuscript which contains the word "Jehovah." So it is just a hypothesis that perhaps some NT manuscripts were in Hebrew and had "Jehovah" in them. However, none of those manuscripts exist today, so this will only remain a hypothesis. All available Greek manuscripts do not have the word "Jehovah" in them (as fas as I know). 2. There are several manuscript families based on location and time: Alexandrian (1-9 centuries/ Egypt), Western (3-9 cent/West Europe), Byzantine (5-15 cent/Eastern Europe/Asia Minor) etc. KJV is based on the Byzantine manuscripts. Other Bible translations may be based on other manuscripts. Again, none of the Greek manuscripts has the word "Jehovah" in them.
@kevinfromcanada4379
@kevinfromcanada4379 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jenifer, JW's claim that English Bibles have removed the divine name "Jehovah," or "Yahweh"-which is from the Hebrew tetragrammaton (יהוה). This claim isn't true. The tetragrammaton is still in the Hebrew Bible, it hasn't been removed, but most English translations (like the KJV) follow the tradition of the old Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint) and use a circumlocution instead of transliterating the tetragrammaton (ie. the Septuagint used Kurios and the KJV uses "LORD" instead of "YHWH," "Yahweh," or "Jehovah"). I think it would be good for English translations to use "Yahweh" or "Jehovah" but is it wrong to use the circumlocution "LORD"? No. Jesus himself used circumlocutions (cf. Mar 14:62 where Jesus uses "Power" in place of "Yahweh"). As you know, the OT was written in Hebrew (and some Aramaic) but the NT was written in Greek to Christians living outside Palestine (for the most part). ALL, I mean over 5000+ NT Greek extant manuscripts all show that the NT authors used the circumlocution Kurios for the tetragrammaton. There isn't a single NT Greek manuscript that has the tetragrammaton in any form (ie. Paleo-Hebrew script, square Aramaic script or the Greek transliteration ΙΑΩ). This is a problem for JW's because the NT clearly identifies Jesus as Kurios in the NT. So when you read Rom 10:9-13 where Paul says that a person is saved when they confess that Jesus is Kurios, FOR there is only one Kurios of both Jews and Gentiles (v. 12) who bestows riches on all who call on him, FOR all who call upon the name of Kurios shall be saved (v. 13). Paul is citing Joel 2:32 in v. 13 (a passage about Yahweh), which means that in context Paul is identifying Jesus as Yahweh. This destroys JW theology so they attempt to hide this by translating Kurios in vv. 9 & 12 as "lord" and v. 13 as "Jehovah." JW's claim that the NT originally contained the tetragrammaton, giving many reasons (all of which fail) and will claim that copyists sometime after John wrote, removed the tetragrammaton from the manuscripts and substituted it with Kurios ("lord") or Theos ("God"). There is no evidence for this and the idea has many many problems with it (like who is this mystery group, how did they track down all the manuscripts all over the Roman empire and change them without anyone noticing, etc.) but the main problem is that JW's want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to say that the tetragrammaton was removed from the NT while at the same time claiming that the NT has been faithfully persevered and we can trust it. But that doesn't work. If a mystery group so skillfully removed the tetragrammaton without leaving a trace, not a shred of evidence, then how do we know they didn't change other things? How can you trust the NT? You can't, because the same manuscripts that JW's will point to demonstrate the NT has been faithfully copied are the same ones that JW's say are corrupt because they contain Kurios instead of the tetragrammaton. I could go on but bottom line is that "Jehovah" has not been removed from English Bibles as JW's claim. On a final note, the KJV is a great translation. It's not perfect, it was based on late and poor manuscripts, so there are things in it that are not correct (like 1John 5:7 which isn't original) but it is still a great translation so read it and enjoy it. But I would recommend reading a newer version as well (ESV, or something similar) that is based on older and better manuscripts and has had the benefit of a few hundred years of Greek study. Then you can compare the two and you can see where the differences are. But don't let the differences shake your confidence in the Bible. Some people are shaken by the fact that the NT manuscripts have thousands and thousands of variants but the more you learn about textual variants the more you will actually have confidence in the NT. Anyways, this is very long (sorry) but I hope it helps.
@mamawlife7852
@mamawlife7852 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinfromcanada4379 thank you so much for your response. It is very helpful.
@kevinfromcanada4379
@kevinfromcanada4379 2 жыл бұрын
@@mamawlife7852 My pleasure. If you have further questions or are looking for resources to help answer questions you might have, don't hesitate to ask. We live at a time when there has never been so many great resources for Christians but discovering what is good among the mountain of bad resources can be challenging.
@TruthHasSpoken
@TruthHasSpoken 2 жыл бұрын
No. "Jehovah" is a 13th c copiest error by a Catholic monk who inserted the vowel points of Adonai into the consonants of YHWH. Even Watchtower has admitted in one of their publications, that it was a "blunder." _‘As to the Old Testament name of God, certainly the spelling and pronunciation “Jehovah” were originally a blunder. But the spelling and the pronunciation are not highly important. What is highly important is to keep it clear that this is a personal name._ (The Bible in Living English, 1972, p.7). And Watchtower has admitted the following as well : “Yes, many Bible scholars acknowledge that ‘Yahweh’ more nearly represents the Hebrew pronunciation of the Divine Name” (WT, July 15, 1964, p. 423) “Hebrew scholars generally favor “Yahweh” as the most likely pronunciation” (Aid To Bible Understanding, 1971, 885) “ ’Jehovah’ ” is the best known English pronunciation of the Divine name, although “Yahweh” is favored by most Hebrew scholars” (Insight on the Scriptures, 1988, vol. 2, p. 5) (note, I do not see evidence that their claim in the last point is true, the Jehovah is the best known english pronunciation of the Divine Name)
@adolilasse2570
@adolilasse2570 4 жыл бұрын
The 8 members of the Governing Body of JW will go for ever in the Fire because they changed the word of God. God bless you Bro for your teaching
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
God is the judge of everyone.🙏🏻
@watchtowerdefence571
@watchtowerdefence571 3 жыл бұрын
the NWT has its faults but is by far a more accurate Bible than all the major English bikes in use today. That I can prove to anyone who is humble enough to let bias aside.
@francoisdebruyn4424
@francoisdebruyn4424 3 жыл бұрын
Difficult to get you on U tube. What is Abeissance in greek
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
I have no idea. English is not my first language and I have never heard anyone using this word, so I can only quote a dictionary. To be frank, I've read thousands of pages of scholarly literature and I don't remember authors using this word either. Since I've never seen this word in a context, it's impossible for me to even analyze its semantic meaning.
@truthwatchers
@truthwatchers 2 жыл бұрын
In French Obeissance means Obedience. In my opinion it's one aspect of Worship but it doesn't cover the whole greek meaning.
@ademolaadebayo1005
@ademolaadebayo1005 10 ай бұрын
1 Amen 2 Amen 3 Amen Thanks very much for this analysis.
@derekholiday6576
@derekholiday6576 4 жыл бұрын
3 AMEN
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
😀
@Ray7274
@Ray7274 Жыл бұрын
Amen thank you
@compositioncompilation
@compositioncompilation 4 жыл бұрын
As Gods representative, as Christ Jesus was, even as a baby, who could not say anything in response to the worshipful acknowledgement rendered, it would have been a source of encouragement to his parents who had gone through much to reach that point, if you really think about it. We have to remember too, that his visitors were not Jews, who had a different view of worship. Mary and Joseph, Being respectful towards their visitors in extending hospitality, it would have been considered rude perhaps to correct their visitors not accepting ,and squashing their appreciative and thankful attitude after the long journey they had made. They were humans too. Long before that, Abaraham too, had visitors heavenly messengers who he had the privilege of entertaining.
@derekholiday6576
@derekholiday6576 4 жыл бұрын
2 AMEN!!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻🔥
@MrFinius
@MrFinius 8 ай бұрын
#1. Amen. Agreed (however some have noted that the word "human" is not a biblical word but a "legal" word.) # 2. Amen. Agreed...... #3. Amen.
@herbertwalker6831
@herbertwalker6831 3 жыл бұрын
Amen Amen Amen
@marcuslebeau
@marcuslebeau 2 жыл бұрын
3 and Amen!!! The only thing is, or the BIG thing rather is that Satan is not the Morning Star, Satan is Lucifer son of the morning! The Morning Star or Bright and Morning Star is a title that goes to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
@reycfd7753
@reycfd7753 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Thanks!
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 3 жыл бұрын
Not a JW, but this Greek verb is the same verb that the Septuagint translates ישתחוו or prostrate/worship. In the OT, people are constantly doing this to people and no one has a problem with it until the book of Esther. For example: Genesis 23:7 ἀναστὰς δὲ Ἀβραὰμ προσεκύνησεν τῷ λαῷ τῆς γῆς, τοῖς υἱοῖς Χέτ. Abraham does this verb to the sons of Heth.
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the addition to the discussion. I have replied numerous times to it already in the comments. Briefly, although the OT references are valuable, they only illustrate how the word was used in the past (when LXX was translated). Words change their meaning and usage through time (just check the words "gay, cell, windows" for the past 70 years). So what really matters is not how it was used in the days of Abraham or David and etc, but how it was used in the 1 century AD. And it seems that the NT it predominantly means "to worship." It would also help is we accept that "reverence, obeisance" is not opposite to "worship" but a part of it.
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll But it is used for making a deep prostration or a kowtow and by the book of Esther, the biblical author thought it was wrong to do with people. How would it have been different in meaning if the word is a physical act? They both mean kowtowing/prostrating. Or else what exactly were people doing when they did this in the NT if not kowtowing/prostrating?
@stevenv6463
@stevenv6463 3 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll I see from the other comments you made that you may make another video addressing this point. If that is the case, feel free to leave me hanging until then. I will definitely be looking forward to you delving more into this.
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreekForAll Exaclty....and yet you want to have it both ways.....the Greek word "proskuneó" from where we get the English word "worship" did not mean the same thing back then in fact the English word (worship) has also change meaning over the last 500 years , The English word for worship comes from the old English word "weorþscipe" ... = Honoured, esteemed. Worth, deserving Honour, dignity. Worth, price, value....... But in today's modern language we tend to use it exclusively for the worhsip of God (Jehovah) But even back 500 years ago it was also used in connection to humans........
@STROND
@STROND 2 жыл бұрын
You reasoning here is spot on.......The person in the video is being a little deceivingso and so are misleading many, for the following reasons: OK, so the Greek word which many translation translate as "worship" is proskuneó and according to STRONG's concordance for Bible words. as well as many others states the following for the Greek word "proskuneó" ......... "I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to kiss the hand tenderly.. proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees. So let me ask you this, "what is wrong with giving proskynéō to Jesus, it is NOT the same as the worship we give to his father Yehovah ??? Did you know that people in the Bible were given proskynéō does that mean that they were worshipped in the same way that we worship God ? For example if you were to give proskynéō to the queen of England, and bow when meeting her, would that be worship ? Of course not ! By the same token, if you were to bow down before an alter of Budda for example would that be considered worship in this sense of the word ? More than likely it would! So you see it all depends who you are giving proskynéō to and the context. I think it is very disingenuous to use the word proskynéō in blanket, one size fits all terminology, especially from someone like the person in the video purports to understand Greek ! Sometimes you have to look at the original Greek and what it ACTUALLY MEANS, or rather what the koine Greek meant !
@evahughes6807
@evahughes6807 3 жыл бұрын
amen amen amen
@jimatto6285
@jimatto6285 4 жыл бұрын
1 AMEN 2 AMEN 3 AMEN 4 AMEN!
@GreekForAll
@GreekForAll 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see you Jim, it's been a while.
@tboy2363
@tboy2363 3 жыл бұрын
1,2,3 Amen, Amen, Amen.
@franciscolobo1151
@franciscolobo1151 Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@antomanes7623
@antomanes7623 3 жыл бұрын
Amen, Amen and Amen.
@moreJesusplz
@moreJesusplz 3 жыл бұрын
1, 2, 3 AMEN!
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