If the cheater is suspected to be in a party, tell the oppposing team (Playername) is cheating. If someone instantly types in chat "No he isn't" or something along the lines of that, that person is probably one of the cheater's backup. 50% of the time, the scenario would go about just like that.

From bots to human cheaters. Different cause, same effect. I just hope this can get rectified faster than the bot problem so that it's less likely you get your head blown off every time you enter an open area.

Whenever I see the word huge in a KZfaq title, I always think of Pyrocynical

this makes sense. I started playing tf2 again after almost a decade and everyone called me a cheater cause i'd get 3-5 head shots back-to-back as sniper before dying.

I remember joining a 2Fort server with a sniper hitting constant headshots while chat spamming and a scout insta killing everyone with a force a nature.

ive been seeing more human cheaters then bot cheaters in recent lobbies

The problem is how normal players do not see blatant cheaters

Pro tip: On alot of source games, when you press space when spectating a teammate, you can see what they are seeing. Useful for detecting cheating players. If there is a suspected cheater on the enemy team, tell your team using team chat to saying some like "playername might be cheating"

Bro I know damn well when some sniper is cheating there is no way a fucking person would have a instant snap reaction time.

It sucks that there is no killcam in TF2, it would make it so much easier to catch stuff like ESP and triggerbot

Yesterday I was playing on Dustbowl and a cheating spy stabbed me from a good distance away while I was looking at him. He got kicked within 2 minutes or something.

This is a very recent video, so imma give some insight. - Most cheaters have a little window that tells them if they’re being spectated or not. Be wary of this when scoping out a possible cheater. If they stop what they’re doing immediately after you start spectating, keep watching them. - Rocket jumping cheats exist. They’re primitive, but they exist. - Smart cheaters know how to hide the fact they are cheating. If a cheater is called out while playing a specific class, they might swap to another. - Cheaters favor hitscan classes over others, like Sniper, Scout or Heavy. Soldier and Pyro are exceptions, due to both being simple classes. - Cheaters come in all shapes and sizes. That guy who has unusuals and good cosmetics? He could be cheating. Cheaters can hide in plain sight if they look like a good player since most people don’t put much thought into good looking players doing good. - Blatant signs of cheaters include but are not limited to: + Snapping when shooting. Sign of aimbot usage. + Projectiles/Flames moving in strange directions. Sign of projectile aimbots. + Hitting sniper shots out of tunnel vision. Sign of usage of a cheat that removes the scope overlay and zoom. + Saying “1” in the chat. Typical sign of disrespect among cheaters. That means that their are cheaters on both teams to look for. + Getting too many crits in short periods of time. Sign of crithacks, most common in melees because it’s easier to hide. To anyone who may ask, no, I’m not a cheater. I’ve had enough experience to know how cheaters operate and play the game, plus searching through cheater forums.

Great idea of looking at their movement and their aim combined. the only issue is that you can either find snipers in the same exact spot because why would they change their position if range is never a problem? I also see a bunch of actually good snipers in weird spots since they provide a better sightline, or it is somewhere where people wouldn't normally check or it is just hard to get to. Other than that great video, ill try this next few games

I have a really shitty positioning on sniper and enigneer by choice, because countering these classes is based around knowing sightlines and sentry spots. Nobody is going to expect a sniper to be attacking from the opposite site of the map, or camping in a small closed space, or hiding in a fountain on koth_lakeside. I sometimes do braindead stunts just to see what works.

How to cheat in tf2 Step 1: go take a shower. Step 2: go outside. Step 3: lose weight.

dude that ending was so abrupt. It was weird.

Where do you get this 30% figure from? I have 3k hours in-game and it is definitely less than 30%.

Is that you rocketjumping at the background? Damn ur insane

an interesting thing I've recently noticed about tf2 cheaters is that, on payload, they move the cart wayyy faster than it usually goes, about twice as fast in fact. how did I find this out? simple really: there was 3 cheaters on blue, that stood nearby the cart at all times. now, 3 already gives the cart alot of speed, but however, in this case the cart was acting like it had the *whole* team around it, which is interesting because it shows that even small details like that can show if someone is cheating. and the same went for when we switched teams too, the cart would move twice as fast back as it usually would and moving back the cart is already pretty slow so imagine my shock seeing it move twice as fast back lol

if you call them a cheater, they're a cheater. tf2 after 2020

Projectile hacks can be relatively easy to spot regardless of the cheater's movements. A common sign is the use of a projectile aimbot, which places the rocket at a predetermined point, irrespective of where the cheater is looking. This often results in a significant discrepancy between the shot and their actual angle. Another indicator is how frequently they time their rockets before knowing a player's location, such as firing automatically when a player is about to round a corner. If you encounter a soldier or huntsman sniper who seems to fire precisely when you would have crossed the corner, especially if it happens consistently, it's likely they are cheating. As for snipers, detecting cheats can be a bit more challenging. Instead of focusing solely on the ratio of headshots to body shots, pay attention to the consistency of their shots. Even skilled snipers will miss occasionally, particularly against agile classes like scouts. An unusually high consistency in landing shots may suggest cheating, especially when coupled with suspicious movement patterns that resemble someone new to the game. Triggerbots are a prevalent method of "legit" cheating. These bots automatically fire the mouse as soon as the player's crosshair aligns with a specific hitbox of the enemy. The key giveaway is the consistent firing at a preconfigured interval. If you notice a sniper flicking their mouse as if to shoot an enemy but not actually firing when any normal player would have, it's a clear indicator of triggerbotting. Additionally, the strange back-and-forth motions over the enemy's head hitbox, without any shots being taken, is a behavior unnatural to genuine players. For scouts, doubletapping with weapons like the Force-A-Nature is a common way of cheating, where both shotgun rounds are fired simultaneously, resulting in an abnormally high DPS. When a scout seems to instantly delete soldiers or heavies with this technique, they are most likely cheating. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Projectile aimbots can be identified by observing certain patterns in their firing behavior: 1. Rockets Fired at Feet vs. Body: A common trait of projectile aimbots is that they are configured to fire rockets at the enemy's feet rather than aiming directly at the body. This is done to ensure a higher chance of hitting the target with consecutive rockets, as the rocket is placed at the feet to ensure knockback, and in theory and easier to hit rocket on the second. 2. Automatic Firing When Rounding Corners: Projectile aimbots typically work independently of the cheater's aim and are set to automatically fire the projectile when they activate an "Aim Key." This means that the cheater does not need to time the shots manually; the aimbot handles it for them. To spot this behavior, pay attention to how consistently they fire projectiles the moment you round a corner. If they seem to shoot with precision every time you appear, it might be an indication of a projectile aimbot at play as well as some form of ESP. 3. Discrepancies Between Aim and Projectile Origin: Another telltale sign is any weird discrepancy between the cheater's crosshair placement and the point from which the projectiles are fired. As projectile aimbots place the rockets at specific points, the cheater's crosshair might not always align with the origin of the shot. If you notice frequent inconsistencies between their crosshair position and the projectile firing point, it could be indicative of an aimbot. 4. Not Firing: Some cheaters using projectile aimbots may configure their settings to fire only when there is a high likelihood of the shot landing, leading to peculiar and considerable delays between shots. In desperate situations where a legitimate player would instinctively take a shot, the cheater may exhibit unusual hesitation or refrain from firing altogether. These "uncanny" shots or instances where shots are not taken despite the situation warranting it can be strong indicators of cheating. When a player's behavior deviates significantly from what is expected of someone with their claimed skill level, this can serve as a good indicator. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Identifying potential cheating snipers involves considering the following aspects: 1. Shot Accuracy: Pay attention to how consistently the sniper lands shots versus how often they miss. While an unusually high percentage of landed shots might raise suspicions, it is not a definitive indicator on its own. Keep in mind that even skilled snipers can have impressive accuracy. Therefore, accuracy alone is not enough to conclusively identify cheating. 2. Movement and Dodge Patterns: Observe how the sniper moves and dodges while playing. Legitimate, skilled snipers often exhibit more agile and precise movements to avoid incoming fire and stay alive. On the other hand, cheaters may display relatively sluggish or less sophisticated dodge techniques. However, this is not a foolproof method, as some skilled players might adopt various movement styles. You should consider all aspects of their play before making any determination. 3. Another important aspect to consider when identifying potential cheating snipers is their flicking behavior. Pay close attention to whether they frequently flick their crosshair as if they were about to shoot but then choose not to take the shot. In such instances, it's essential to objectively consider if, as a legitimate player, you would have taken the shot in the same situation. When evaluating this behavior, try to remove any personal biases and evaluate the scenario from a neutral standpoint. Consider the factors as they are, how critical was the situation, how where they positioned, How did they move their mouse, in accordance to the target, usually triggerbotters will flick as if they were going to fire, but not taking the shot due to delay or some other factor with their configuration. If you find that the sniper consistently flicks without taking the shot in situations where most legitimate players would have attempted the shot, it might be an indication of cheating. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// When analyzing a player potentially using cheats with the Force-A-Nature or Soda Popper, consider the following factors: 1. Instant Double Shots: Watch if the player is firing both shots of the Force-A-Nature or Soda Popper instantly with no delay in between. Legitimate players have a slight delay due to the weapon's mechanics, and may have a slower time to kill over all due to aiming adjustments. 2. Lagging" Player Model: Observe if the player's character model appears to be warping or teleporting despite having a good ping. This unnatural behavior is usually apart of the double-tap cheat as it manipulates packets in order to achieve the unnatural firing speed, bypassing the mechanics of both the weapons firing speed. Usually double-tap cheaters, will "LAG" while firing or just ALL The time. 3. Successive Well-Placed Shots: If the player does not fire both shots simultaneously but instead shoots in succession, take note of how often they land high-damage, well-placed shots. Given the Force-A-Nature's ability to knock players back unpredictably, consistently hitting multiple accurate shots can be challenging for even skilled players. An unusually high success rate with this weapon might raise suspicions. 4. Discrepancy Between Aim and Shot Location: Pay attention to any discrepancies between where the player is looking (crosshair position) and where their shots are coming from. Cheaters using double-tap techniques may configure their aimbots aggressively to account for the Force-A-Nature's knockback. As a result, their shots might land in locations where their viewing angle was not.

one way to figure out if someone is a cheater, is to say, "red I think you have a cheater on your team" cheater: "who" you: "(cheaters name)" cheater: "(several insults)"

Can you explain fake lagging next I don't know what means somebody accuse me of it in a community server I just had bad wifi

Another way for me to check is by seeing them bhopping casually.

30% is a overstatement, id say for every 4 matches you get someone who's cheating whether it's just one or a cheater stack who's flagged as a cheater

I came across a hacking scout/spy a few days ago. He was insta killing my team the moment we left spawn as a soda-popper or force of nature ( i forgot what he used ),backstabbing while i was facing him, and being a general annoyance to our team. I had no other choice than leave ;-;.

like bots like humans

Just use the cloak and dagger and spam voice lines behind the cheater.

I just made a false accusation and I came here to repent.

gotta say, thats some clean ass rocket syncing

Zealot I’ve seen you’re old videos and ur videos and u personally have definitely improved since bro has got an redemption arc

Ahem, there is another problem, this days a lot of people with expensive stuff at its Inventory cheats. So people do not kick guy for cheats due to: "cmon maaan he have 10 billion unusuals and 3 australium pans". I ve met one guy with double tap and 5k hours .. 2 days ago. And.. i asked why the heck does he cheat with all expensive stuff at his profile... And you know what does he said? He is bored.

I know a guy who is REALLY good with soldier and can get alot of airshots, but they just can't wrap their head around rocket jumping.

What is sad is some pyros literally autoblast cheating and it is visually obvious they are literally having 10000 airblasts in a few seconds time to time but no I guess it isn't good enough for them to kick their cheater.

Me that plays sniper like a complete moron because quickscope headshots are fun 😢

i was just mesmerized by the rocketjumping the whole video

Only bots problems are teams that dont kick bots or bots nets wich are 24/7 servers fulled with bots rn in my opinion

*that just DONT happe-* best moment in the video

You can also use the general attitude of somebody to see if they're cheating, honestly. If you accuse someone of cheating and they immediately follow up with slurs and insults, that should be a red flag, because it shows that One: they clearly don't have respect for you or anyone else there, Two: They're likely angry they're getting caught and called out, which puts them at risk of a vote, (Atleast it would if the enemy team was competent and had the proof.) And Three: Despite this immature and explosive behavior, they're still playing as if they're immensely skilled and can't miss a shot. You really think someone with that kind of attitude has the patience to actually take the time and learn? Come on.

I remeber having to fight not one,not two but three aimbot cheaters named OMEGATRONIC They appear in most of my matches(sometimes my side) and they always look up(idk why)

I was just in a game with 2 cheaters and some of his friends who kicked me cause I said that he had aimbot and crit cheats. I spectated him and saw he was snapping to everyone perfectly and hitting every shot. It's funny when cheaters think they're good when they can't even play better than a noob without cheats.

What if a hacker is watching this right now

Yeah I been having an issue with a closet spy cheater. Guy hits 99% of headshots with the ambassador and is clearly wallhacking/soft aimbotting. And was complaining about ping 💀 he was a level 1 on steam and owned two games. The guy also owned a unchartable professional Australium ambassador. So most likely VAC banned on his main account etc

just go spy with no disguise and stay on a corner if he headshot there 3 times is cheating because is not like a sniper had to shoot a specific spot no one would aim up

I hate the fact that I have to put so much effort into proving someone is cheating. Even if their profile shows a vac ban, people are reluctant to acknowledge they are (likely) cheating. Its also annoying there is no spectator in casual anymore, I have to constantly kill myself just to spectate the player for a few seconds...

Ive been getting better with the classic lately. Yesterday i got called a cheater for shooting a scout with it constantly and kicked from a server. I need to use mod boy to install my mods for me. Lmao i wouldn't know the first thing about multiplayer cheating, nor do i want to

Shout out to green alien on tf2 for cheating

Your "technique" for relying on positioning is a lot more nuanced than you think. Good players can purposefully take up bad positions but play them in a very smart way given that they are using other things to their advantage besides their own positioning (knowledge of what the enemy team knows, team comp, etc.) Really bad movement plus really good aim is a blatant giveaway for a bad cheater, but this is way harder when somebody is average skill or better.

Aim and movement mismatch can happen when you spend too long only on mge and not casual or competitive

It is just pathetic how many games community have people with thousand of hours of experience, yet they are all completley useless when it comes to telling cheats 😂. If it happend few times it might be understadable but the amount of times it occurs in all games almost reeks of dishonesty.

The point of playing a game is to overcome and achieve. Where is the sense of accomplishment when you cheat? What's the fucking point? So smart, so dumb.

Is ru$h a cheater in TF2?

Also in tf2 that i played there's some cheater's playing as a sniper like all of them they just play the game unfair they just stop other people from playing the game like a cheater just sit next to the payload and just keep sniping the other player and also the other enemy cheater will not attack or even kill the other cheater they totally just sit next to the payload and wait for other player to go next to the payload or defend the payload from going further and also there's some f**king furry cheater in tf2 and also i just join in a full cheaters lobby basically full of cheaters and i join another server or lobby for me to avoid them it's just they ruin the game and some cheater just use music too annoy other players (Remedios older grandson b-j who send this)

we handled wave 1 now its time for wave 2 also WHERE THE FUCK IS THE UPGRADE STATION?

Go go gadget aimbot activate.

I play in a community server full of cheaters, mostly soldiers with hooks. I am one of the few legits in that server, spotting cheaters has been very easy for me. And since I fight cheaters that in fact do know how to maneuver I have gotten to a certain skill point to where I can crush pub cheaters pretty easily and developed a way to counter sniper bots.

Just had two games with cheaters and the worst of it is how it makes you second-guess yourself sometimes cause *everyone* is covert now. *Scenario 1:* Direct Hit Soldier got Kritz'ed and pushed forward on Badwater last. If his first target was 12 o' clock from him (aka right in front of him) then his second target was 10 o' clock. I was his 3rd target, and I was at his 3 or 4 o' clock. And not only that, I was at his 3 or 4 o' clock and 10 feet in the air because Scout. He still flipped around and perfectly landed the shot. And not only that, but after he killed me, he immediately 180'ed to 9 o' clock and perfectly hit a building. Yes, it's a building, but there was no delay between his shot on me and the building. This begs the question: *WHY* is this guy flipping around with utmost urgency to perfectly hit a Dispenser that wasn't shooting at him? How did he know it was there? It's not like the Dispenser announced itself by shooting at him. Why rush the shot instead of taking your time? When I accused him, he and his medic immediately got defensive, and for the rest of the game he pulled out his shotgun and only fought me at midrange, as if not wanting to give me more evidence. Still, I flanked and killed his Medic as he was jumping out the Badwater Last window when pushing (I was in the room before and sneaking up on Med, probably why I could safely flank without him going for me) and he landed every shotgun shot, even spontaneously gaining crits as it happened. Dude denied he was cheating til the end. *Scenario 2:* Was approaching a Heavy as Scout, another Scout was with me. He went right, I went left. The Scout going left kinda backed off and started pivoting back my way simply because he was struggling with a jump (Viaduct cliffside) but otherwise had announced his presence to the Heavy. When I approached from the left, Heavy lit me up and was instantly talking trash about how predictable I was in chat, and that he was a plat Heavy. Now believe it or not, I actually *AM* one of the fabled 12 Heavy mains and I've gotten 2nd in gold HL, though way back when. This was still a red flag to me because while I could see him assuming he'd get a Scout from both sides, it was really odd for him to prioritize my side because the other Scout *should* reach him first. He likewise hit me IMMEDIATELY when I hit the corner but wasn't pre-firing at all. (which honestly, a plat Heavy would. Why not?) But hey whatever, maybe I'm just paranoid or bad and mad. *NOPE.* Later on he and several friends fully admit to cheating, and he switched from Heavy to Scout to Sniper and made it obvious he was aimbotting on all three. Someone in chat also pointed out cheaters love making bots for vaccinator med now because they had 3 of these, and sure enough I'd been encountering vaccinator med all damned day. Point being: I would've second-guessed myself and if I was just bad, if not for his admission. The *ONLY* reason I remain confident there must be loads of cheaters: it feels like if I peek or turn a corner, I immediately get lit up by three separate bodyshots now. Can tell it's three because your body will lose forward momentum and go through three separate pushes back with varying angles. There is simply no way I'm somehow awful at turning corners or peeking and all these players are spontaneously bodyshotting at those moments despite having been distracted, with their distraction being the ENTIRE reason I decided to push. It's a shame really, because I can imagine both players not trusting themselves enough to call out cheaters and the cheating easily getting infinitely worse with how difficult it's become to convince others that the other player doesn't just have a really good gamer chair, they're just cheating. The community seems especially adverse of accusing Demo, Huntsman Sniper and Soldier of cheating, as if they believe only hitscan can work, not understanding that projectiles mathematically have a range where they can 100% be aimbotted and the only downside is you regain control over if the hit connects beyond a certain range.

I just found this hopefully it still helps

bots are swarming NAE

I have good aim, ive never had an excuse to use a aim assist or aimbot

This video presents several points that raise concerns and require elaboration to fully understand the issues being discussed. Firstly, the headshot vs bodyshot scale appears to be flawed as some players may prioritize aiming for the head, irrespective of the weapon they use. However, it's important to recognize that player behavior can vary significantly, and some might prefer specific aiming styles. Additionally, the reference to the Bazaar Bargain and Hitman's Heatmaker might seem irrelevant, as some players in casual matches might focus on improving their aim by attempting every shot, even if it leads to missed shots or mostly headshots. Secondly, relying on a statement such as "he gets 11 headshots every 30 seconds" as evidence does not adequately prove a player's skill, as it could be merely a temporary lucky streak. Skill evaluation requires a more comprehensive assessment over time. Thirdly, the notion that "good aim but no positioning or movement" is absurd might be a subjective opinion. While different games have distinct playstyles, positioning and movement are crucial aspects of gameplay in many competitive scenarios. Casual playstyles might differ from competitive ones, but that doesn't negate the importance of positioning and movement in gaming as a whole. Regarding closet cheaters in competitive leagues, their focus on positioning and movement to avoid detection is acknowledged. However, it is essential to note that exceptional snipers in these leagues might not be renowned for their movement and positioning but rather for their exceptional aiming skills. Each player's strengths and weaknesses can differ, and generalizations might not always apply. The assertion that "when you're a good sniper player, you know that somebody else is cheating based on what they peek" may indeed be an oversimplification or even an inaccurate statement. Identifying cheaters based on their gameplay can be challenging and should involve a more in-depth analysis of various factors. Lastly, the claim that detecting aimbots on rocket-wielding soldiers is instantly obvious might be an oversimplification. While it might be more apparent in some cases, other players, such as "waddle soldiers," might use unconventional playstyles even in competitive settings. In summary, the video's arguments merit more nuanced and comprehensive analysis, considering the diversity of player behaviors, the context of different game modes, and the intricacies of competitive play.

i thought it said 80% lmao

fuck multiplayer shooters im just gonna quit tf2 and all these games

God too bad bots are back.

Explain fatmagic

Idk who is playing in the background, but you can see his aim snapped like he's using an aimbot 0:36

As an expert sniper, I always go to a 'bad' position and dominate, with at least 3 people thinking I'm aimbotting.

Awesome :D

A bucket

things i do on shooters is just keep my aim on a average point that heads are and spam click to somehow if im lucky shot the head

Hog rider

This video is meaningless, just telling people to be more observant doesn't fix the issue.

My friend: has good aim but positions at the most revealing locations. Also him: Not cheating but proceeds to get called a cheater every single match we play just like good ole fat magic.

yes, we are cheating

I like cheating 😅