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except the 06 was moving a double wide through # 11 and into 12

More than you think.

30-06 has a lot more ass than .308, it really starts to show when you do steel penetration testing, the 30-06 will typically pen .150" thou deeper than a .308. That's a lot.

Look the expantion of bullets. There is a diference and it is big.

It you think that they are equals you're foolish.

Just a question here. Why do you assume that better penetration is more deadly? If you are not going to fight body armor, having that much penetration is not really a good thing. Then you just have to care about what you shoot behind the target, and how much meat you destroy. What is more important is what it does to the body once it hits. Not how many wooden boards it can penetrate. From what I can see, picking between 308 and 30-06 is like picking between Coke and Pepsi. Almost no difference between them and does the same exact job as each other. Only that one is slightly more cheaper than the other.

@@Cloud_Seeker Said that bullet is more deformed (better energy transform) still together with better penetration. This means for sure more deadly if you understand basics of balistics.

@@balkicroatia Actually. It is worse that it has better penetration at that point. You need to understand the basics of physics. If the bullet penetrated to a higher degree that means it dispersed less energy where you actually want it to. If it is better penetrate the body, it means less energy stay in the body as it has more energy to penetrate and leave the body. This is why lead is such a good material to make bullets out of. Unlike steel it deformed easily which it disperse the energy quickly and is more likely to actually stay in the body. The less of the energy escape the body the better. A steel bullet does not transfer energy as well. That is why you need larger steel pellets in a shotgun shell than if you use lead. The steel pellets need to be bigger to be as deadly as the smaller lead pellets. Also saying "more deformed (better energy transform)" is not correct. You are not looking at WHERE it deformed the most. The bullet can have been mostly intact when it actually mattered. You are looking at a bullet that has reached the very end of its course. Not when it actually was inside the body. You are doing a lot of fallacies here that are not necessarily true. I have pointed out that a 30-06 is just about as good in killing a Moose as a 6.5 Swed is. A 6.5 Swed is a weaker bullet. So to argue that the 30-06 is a better bullet is just kind of stupid. The differences are in most realistic situations not that important unless you are trying to shoot things with body armor. To make penetration tests using cinder blocks, wooden planks or ballistic gels all kind of miss the whole point of it. What you should look at is not how well a bullet deforms or how far it penetrate. You should look at what the effect on the body is.

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Thanks genius

Check out my 308 vs. 30-06 ice penetration test with factory loads

I'm a .308 fan but you are correct.More boiler room=more gas.

Maybe in the reloading world, but factory ammo both 308 and 30-06 is most common to find 150gr and 180gr bullets, it's extremely difficult to find anything heavier than a 180gr bullets for the 30-06. 200gr. and 220gr. maybe available in larger suppliers but my experience with finding 30-06 ammo 180gr is the heaviest i ever see.

30-06,long cartrige,no power.

Either you're thinking of a different projectile, your talking about stacking shots in the same hole 5-6 times or the tree was rotted into corkwood... SMK's are thin-jacketed, non-bonded, and terrible penetrators, hence why they are horrible game bullets for anything other than varmint. I'd believe a plain old M80 ball round would do it through maybe a 14" live tree, but no way on a 40" and fmj's are a lot less likely to deform/shatter than an SMK.

@@mfallen6894 What you need to do is test it before looking like a fool. Any military sniper will talk about a kill through trees, but most non-military think it is BS. SMK is a match grade bullet that our military snipers use on active duty. The bullet doesn't expand, so for hunting the bullet placement is the key, I like the spine shot at 250 yards. You appear to need time using SMK bullets in many areas of the sport, before you can talk. I have been shooting them for 30 years.

@@kensmith8832 Dude, I've used them for years. They are for punching paper and people, not trees... Post a vid and prove it; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Post a link showing it penetrating 40in of ANY wood. This vid showed 11-12in of Pine, a far less dense wood than maple. I won't be holding my breath as I know damn well a match bullet won't be driving through 3+ feet of tree, lol. A .50BMG? Sure. .338 Lapua or Norma Mag? Maybe. A .308 with a target bullet?! Prove it!

@@mfallen6894 Actually the cone of a 50 BMG has so much bearing area that the bullet will stop faster than you think. I have seen a 900 gr bullet stop inside a golf ball, but the golf ball continued on. It was a pill to find the golf ball.

@@kensmith8832 Are you talking about circumference? If so you need to be more specific since the test was straight-line pentration. A 40in tree (lets say it's totally round) 2pi * r = 40 r = 20/pi so 20/3.14 = 6.37in x 2 = 12.74in 12.74in I can believe (even though I've seen SMK's disintegrate when hitting feral hog shoulders) but I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on 12.74in.

Or barrel lengths

Another history genius..

@@theowenssailingdiary5239 You should check out Philip B. Sharpe's work.

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Yes the powder is measured in grains when reloading.

There both a 150gr bullet 308 is loaded to max by 308 loading manual and 30-06 is loaded to the max by 30-06 manual so im not sure what your getting at here

@@boltactionballistics to see what I'm getting at, load the 30.06 with 180 grain vs 308 with 150 grain. if you don't like that load both at 180, then at 200

You're making a very wide and rather baseless assumption here. For all you know, that is HIS Private Property and you are being more of a "Karen" than an actual "Caring" observer. Perhaps your concern would be better served if you had made an intelligent inquiry regarding the property and who has access to it rather than making the assumption that Joe Public can just wander onto it at will! That subtle condescending line of BS you lay out here so eloquently is an insult to this young man and his honest intentions. You just naturally "assume" that he is being "unsafe" because you see what you want to see so that you can have what you believe is an opportunity to criticize, but you do not have all of the facts surrounding this circumstance/action/location! You see what a video presents and that is not an entirely clear and absolute picture of the surroundings beyond the subject of what is being presented in the video. I am willing to wager that this young man is very safety conscious and goes out of his way to insure the safety of others at all times. I observe nothing in this video that remotely indicates otherwise, nor suggests that he needs dressing down by anyone regarding "safety".

Why in earth would you do that? That doesn't test anything at all.

That's a lot of powder for it to only go 1inch farther. I wonder what would happen if I'd put the same amount of powder in it?? Let me test it

The 30-06 has a 22in and 308 has 21in barrel.

@@boltactionballistics It,s not the same barrel.

@@boltactionballistics Cool. Thanks for doing that. Are they the same twist?

Yeah, I've wondered about that 150gr and heavier probably don't expand as good as they should at that range.. I also have ttsx in 110gr and 130gr

Pretty sure you will kill anything no matter what. It is a matter of shot placement.

Oh I know 180gr. Bullets shoot/group better than the 150gr. Bullets, my plan is to reload 200gr. Bullets for this gun, but that still isn't going to stop me from having fun with 150gr. Bullet plinking, target practice, and so on... A Day out on the range is aways a fun day.

Both a 150gr Barnes bullets

Yeah there are discontinued but I still have a few left.

I very much do not believe that you have time if you hit a bear in the head and it didn't go down. If it doesn't go down after a bullet like this, it means you missed and didn't hit it in the head.

If it doesn't go down after a bullet like this, its because you used a bullet like this.. @@Cloud_Seeker

308 20in barrel and 30-06 22in and according to the book i loaded these rounds to it says 308 2880 fps. And 30-06 3000fps

@@boltactionballistics Thanks for the reply. Given those fps numbers, it's not a surprise that the '06 edged out the .308. At such close range, I'd be surprised if there was much ofa difference.

One more better, but also a much bigger wound channel because of the greater expansion due to higher impact velocity.

308 is 20in barrel and 30-06 is 22in.

It,s false,i had testing on my 2 chrono and the 30-06 run at 2835 fps and the 308 run at 2763 with 24 inchs barrel,i,m very surprise.

@@donaldbougie694 Individual results will always vary from book values depending on so many variables. 308WIN is an excellent cartridge indeed! When I want more, my go to is 300WSM which pushes 168gr TTSX to 2960fps. My 308 pushes 168gr ELDM to 2700fps and 150gr TTSX to 2800fps. out of a 20" barrel...Ain't nothing wrong with that!

Is that true?

backwards.

Yes you have reason.

Brakes don't affect velocity.

It's not a stupid test,, get different results on different types and brands of bullets in the same caliber, the only way to find out test results is to try it out, and there's nothing stupid about it..

Same primer, same powders, same bullets, even same pieces of wood.

I didn't see any.

Why do you say that?