350 Legend vs. 30-30 Winchester?

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350 Legend vs. 30-30 Winchester?

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Жыл бұрын

The 350 Legend vs. the 30-30 Winchester is a pretty close match-up, or is it? The 30-30 Winchester has been the reigning champion for whitetail hunting since 1895, but the 350 Legend might just give it a run for its money. Both of these cartridges have a lot of similarities when you get into the ballistic charts, which I always do. Let me know in the comments below if you think I got it right in this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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@erikwolfarng Жыл бұрын

So... to be totally honest, My Model 94 was the first deer rifle I ever owned. It belonged to my father who died just before my 3rd birthday. My mother saved it for me and gave it to me when I returned home from the U.S. Marines. It's the one possession I own that was his. For that reason alone, the 30-30 is my favorite cartridge.

@codylong1352 Жыл бұрын

Amazing thanks for sharing

@francismacomber4650 Жыл бұрын

Great story. If you have hunting in your family genes, you probably have a story like that. I know I do. The point is that we sometimes confuse our “favorite” hunting round with the “best” hunting round.

@differentfins Жыл бұрын

Nostalgia and family ties will do this. Hey if it works and it has a story behind it who cares if another gun or cartridge comes along that is slightly better on paper? It wont change the fact that it's your favorite!

@josephhart3473 Жыл бұрын

Darn good reason too.

@valsahr5836 Жыл бұрын

Good for you! Thanks for your service.

@chadgreen7736 Жыл бұрын

First year using the 350 here in Michigan and it has worked flawlessly in a AR platform. Never had feed issues and it’s a great 200yd and in gun! Way better than a shotgun and cheaper to shoot to boot.

@Randy-rdss 5 күн бұрын

Way way much better than any slug shotgun for sure..even rifled barrel with sabot slugs of any kind. Also in S MI and am happy as you know what with the .350 Legend or .450 Bushmaster, own both. I enjoy the .350 better because of recoil for whitetail, this being said the Bushmaster is one heck of a heavy hitter, like the 45-70 maybe?

@heathenous81 Жыл бұрын

What I like about the 350 Legend is that my local Walmart has consistently had them in stock at a reasonable price.

@jackmemphis777 7 ай бұрын

yep thats one reason why I went with it. Its the only cartridge that walmart sells that can go in an AR. Before they banned all other pistol and AR rounds, walmart had the cheapest ammo and its close. I suppose its not necessarily a bad thing though, because it helped out the local gun stores and online retailers. Ammo prices are still pretty high anyways so online is usually the way to go

@Threegunmaster Жыл бұрын

350 legend ammo is everywhere, that alone makes it very likable.

@glenn340drt6 Жыл бұрын

Give it 5 years and it will be mia too

@TommyboyGTP Жыл бұрын

For now... 30-30 has been around a lot longer and millions more rifles

@goinhot9133 Жыл бұрын

Seems like state defendant.. here in Ohio, yea. Cause you can actually hunt with it, unlike decades past when you could only use shotguns & muzzleloader

@pseudopetrus Жыл бұрын

Not so much in Canada. Right now 30 30 is scarce as well, but normally it is carried by local stores. The 350 is likely real good, but 3030 works and it is what I own.

@raiderrich2513 Жыл бұрын

One thing that has my interest peaked with the 350 Legend is you can go AR, bolt action or revolver. One of each would be fun to have.

@pensnut08 Жыл бұрын

When it comes to the 30-30 ballistics and performance past 100 yards... I have used a 30-30 since 1977.... With it I have shot exactly 1 deer at or just over 100 yards. The rest have definitely been under 75 yards and most of those under 50. Those are the distances and performance that matter to most 30-30 users, IMO.

@oncall21 Жыл бұрын

I agree that the 350 Legend in the designated legal hunting States play a great role. However I don't see the millions of lever action rifles from Marlin, Winchester, etc in 30/30 going anywhere fast anytime soon. Thanks for sharing Ron.

@B_noJ Жыл бұрын

Henry is supposed to start making the .350 legend in lever action this May. I’ll buy one as soon as it’s out, but I’ll still have my trusty 30/30 to shoot too 😉

@boywhohasl1vedhascometodie469 Жыл бұрын

Tbh, it’s kinda retarded they are doing that.

@russellkeeling4387 Жыл бұрын

I think that's the problem as far as the manufacturers are concerned. They want people to buy new firearms and not just ammunition. Thus come up with a brand new caliber that is instantly a legend because it says legend in the name.

@sabretom7594 8 ай бұрын

I own both . Why argue?

@user-uc5sn4tp3f 7 ай бұрын

If you can legally use bottleneck ctgs where you live / hunt cool , by all means happily carry on . But for the tens of millions of hunters that previously were limited to shotguns , the demand for effective straight wall ctgs is huge , and legitimate. And for millions of shooters , primarily but not necessarily under 40 , the AR- 15 is their primary , prefered , and will be their nostalgic rifle platform .

@andrewpuckett5295 Жыл бұрын

I took 2 deer with my sons this year with a Henry single shot in 350 legend. Dropped them both where they stood at 113 and 56 yards respectively. I was really impressed with it.

@bs431980 Жыл бұрын

30-30 is my favorite whitetail caliber/rifle ever. I’ve taken multiple trophy bucks in the NC mountains, including a 144” 11pt this season.

@constitutionalrepublican1611 Жыл бұрын

i took a trophy buck myself with my 30-30 this year

@bs431980 Жыл бұрын

@@constitutionalrepublican1611 good job 👍

@user-wo2iw3kt8o 11 ай бұрын

I love the 30 wcf. I killed two bull moose in Alaska. I live there from 87 till 2004. It worked fine. The native people that I was very close friends with use the 3030 for everything.

@bs431980 11 ай бұрын

@@user-wo2iw3kt8o cool. I’ve heard that before so it’s good to see those remarks were valid

@joeinmi8671 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the 450 bushmaster for the straight wall and OAL length limited hunting areas. The 450 is very popular and legal here in MI in the "limited firearm deer zone." In fact I like it so much I use it in the unlimited zones as well.

@toddhuff6007 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. What about the .450 bushmaster ?!?

@bdwilcox Жыл бұрын

@@toddhuff6007 Yup, same here. 🤷‍♂

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

I think he left it out on purpose, probably because he was scared to call it a 458 bushmaster 😜😜😜😂😂😂

@thomaskoppel2439 Жыл бұрын

You bet! 450 BM is my go to in southern lower Michigan. I use a 98 mauser rebarreled to 450 and build my handloads around 250gr Hornady ftx bullets and Hogdon Lil gun powder. Velocities hover around 2,350 fps and make for a relatively flat shooting cartridge. I just don't see anything the 350 can do better.

@johnyhawgleg Жыл бұрын

I run the 350 legend in the restricted and unrestricted zones. I’ve often wondered about getting an upper receiver in 450 bushmaster just because even when ammo was harder to find, I regularly saw 450 bushmaster on the self most places.

@Shane696 Жыл бұрын

I am a 41 mag fan, and many years ago I played around with making a “companion” cartridge for my 41 mag Black Hawk by straight walling the 30-30 case to .410 and it worked nicely. JDJ has a wildcat like that it would be interesting to see.

@dainironfoot102 Жыл бұрын

One thing I like about the legend is the soft recoil allowing for rapid shots on target in an msr platform. Couple that with standard capacity mags and you have a great home defense rifle that doubles as a great hunting rifle.

@stanleyblackwell2066 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! That's why I bought mine not to mention a simple barrel swap in the ar platform makes is so versatile I can shoot .22 and .223/5.56 if I wanted one lower several different options to shoot

@stanleyblackwell2066 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! That's why I bought mine not to mention a simple barrel swap in the ar platform makes is so versatile I can shoot .22 and .223/5.56 if I wanted one lower several different options to shoot

@coffee_drinker2912 11 ай бұрын

When I take my horse through the living room with my trusty 30-30 saddle gun, those criminals start praying!

@barbarapiercy4312 Жыл бұрын

Disappointed that everyone has seemed to have forgotten my all time favorite lever-action round the 375 Winchester! The smokeless version of the venerable 38-55. The ORIGINAL straight walled lever-action cartridge. Thank you for including it in your show. 21:36

@brentworls8509 Жыл бұрын

Love my Winnie in .375. It's about the perfect open-sight cartridge for me. I don't want to shoot open sights as far as Elmer Keith did. Mine, bought used for a song, took the orange dot out at 65 yards with the first shot. I was pleased.

@gman77gas Жыл бұрын

30-30 or 35 Rem.

@Keifsanderson Жыл бұрын

@@gman77gas What an insightful and knowledgeable comment. I learned so much from it, that I don't think my life will ever be the same. It's like I've seen God.

@raygibson1252 Жыл бұрын

@@Keifsanderson 7mm08. Hope you learned something grasshopper 😂

@Keifsanderson Жыл бұрын

@@raygibson1252 Oh boy, you present a compelling argument as well. 7mm-08 it is.

@willeypoboy5607 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron. Big fan of both ! I do a lot of whitetail hunting in straight walled cartridge states the last 4yrs. .350 Legend is what I hunt with now when I can't legally hunt with the lever gun!

@FullQuiverOutdoors Жыл бұрын

I’ve been testing a 140gr all copper load from Bear Creek Ballistics. 2650fps and is performing fantastic! I’ve taken a couple deer with it on camera already this year and should have more before too long. Fun to see all the new loads being offered!

@timmytim6427 Жыл бұрын

I saw u shoot that buck in the ass lol..... Really like watching your hunts

@bluelineoutdoors2726 Жыл бұрын

I concurr Gabe! You have some excellent footage of the 350 legend in action in michigan! And the 450 bushmaster🙂👍👍

@whydoesthismatter Жыл бұрын

I was so excited about your video I came here to talk about that round but you already posted about it. :)

@iffykidmn8170 Жыл бұрын

@@ev3dale298 .450 Bush overkill on white tail hunting which the 350 Legend was designed for, 90% of hunters will never hunt anything but white tail deer.

@iffykidmn8170 Жыл бұрын

@@ev3dale298 Nope never had use for one, I have used a 45/70.

@TheBrand83 Жыл бұрын

I love my 30/30. This would be more interesting with the 35 Remington vs 350 legend

@stevendonnalammar4422 Жыл бұрын

The 35 Remington has about the same powder capacity as a .308 Winchester. The 350 Legend has about the same powder capacity as the 30-30 so they are very similar in velocity trajectory and recoil, the 350 just delivers a little more energy. It works amazing on deer.

@RogerSnell Жыл бұрын

YES!

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

The premise was what compares to a 30-30, not the 350 or the 35. Ballistically the 350 and 300 blackout compare well with 30-30.

@RogerSnell Жыл бұрын

@@sinisterthoughts2896 Thanks for the worthless and condescending lesson.

@MrRdvs87 Жыл бұрын

The only comparison I’m concerned about here is which one can be found on shelves. Funny thing is, is that I don’t have a .350 legend.

@sawyerengholm7743 Жыл бұрын

I just picked up my first 30-30 rifle a Henry break action can't wait for the weekend when I've got some time to shoot it

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

Good luck!

@kylecarpenter40 Жыл бұрын

You left out .450 bushmaster. In Iowa you have 3 rifles that are selling like hotcakes since the state started allowing straight wall. .350 legend is by far the most popular followed by the .450 bushmaster and 45-70 govt. Simply enough the .350 for younger hunters and the .450 for folks that want a bigger bore. And there’s a huge difference in terminal performance between the 2. Personally I picked up a Marlin 45-70 1895G for both performance (hits like a sledge hammer),handiness being a compact lever action, and nostalgia. Walnut and deep blueing speaks to me as a hunter than an AR-15.

@roberthdavisii Жыл бұрын

Where do ya find ammo for your 45-70? I've been looking everywhere and cannot find any online or in stores.

@br8302 Жыл бұрын

@@roberthdavisii Scheels in Jordan Creek had a good amount last i checked

@MrBerroth Жыл бұрын

Call me crazy but....I will take both. I have a Ruger AR in 450 bushmaster and it's stupid fun to shoot and a great mid to large game gun. But a good Marlin in 45-70 is a beautiful gun as well. One upside for the 450 bushmaster is I can find ammo for it anywhere but the 45-70 it's hit and miss around here anyways.

@RELAXnRENOVATE Жыл бұрын

@@roberthdavisii had the same issue and just gave up and started reloading my own. It's been a great experience. You can find brass online in bulk for decent prices, melt lead to make your own bullets and use no# 34 primers since large rifle primers are always sold out. I'm working up a 405 gn load right now.

@codyboland8109 Жыл бұрын

Ron, if you’re really wanting to find the closest match to 30-30 out of an AR, the 300 HAMR is it. Spot on

@KJUNUS-hn8vt Жыл бұрын

The 300 Ham'r is becoming one of my favorite little rounds. We just need more options for bbl manufacturers!

@daviddorminey1434 Жыл бұрын

300 HAMR is a great round.

@normbeauchamp7224 Жыл бұрын

I also have a 300 hamr' and love it. When Bill Wilson designed the 300 hamr', he first called the ar 30-30. On one side of my dust cover, it says 300 HAMR' and on the other side it says AR 30-30....

@oldcrackadated Жыл бұрын

I think the 30-30 is one of the best looking cartridges made , I just love the form of it

@russellkeeling4387 Жыл бұрын

You would probably like the look of the .303. It is the same except larger.

@FederalPacificEh 5 ай бұрын

That’s what my better half says about my “22lr” :(

@OneMoreGrave Жыл бұрын

Another popular and fun to shoot round is the 450 bushmaster. It does a number on a deer.

@jackmemphis777 7 ай бұрын

that was the first alternative to 350L that came to mind for me for the restricted states, and BCA makes uppers in both calibers.

@Rico11b Жыл бұрын

As a teenager I got my first centerfire rifle; was a 30-30 that I still have. That was back in the early 80's. I haven't hunted with my 30-30 since 1996. I've owned so many guns since then and still I've taken more deer with my 30-30 than with any of my other rifles combined. It's an accurate open sight rifle, and the ULTIMATE brush gun.

@B0N3ZNP3WZ Жыл бұрын

I sure enjoy the 350 legend. Ammo was cheap when I stock piled it. So far, I've had 3 deer drop right where they stood with the 350L.

@timmytim6427 Жыл бұрын

What ammo u shooting?

@B0N3ZNP3WZ Жыл бұрын

@@timmytim6427 150g white box

@t-bfr45-70 6 ай бұрын

I like the 180s

@FredHenry1850 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great episode, Ron! I'm just happy that I live in a state where I can shoot whatever I like best.

@mikeinlutz Жыл бұрын

My deer rifle for Ohio is ar platform in 350, more Ohio deer taken during gun week were taken with straight walled cartridges than slugs or MZL. Prior to 350 I was shooting 444 marlin in a lever gun, a shoulder thumper.

@jakeoutdoors9600 Жыл бұрын

I have a 444 that I use in brush and when I know my shots would be under 200 yards. I load 300s at 1800 fps so its not super hot but its enough to kill anything in my area. Plus that load groups about an inch at 100 yards. Not as accurate as the Lever Evolution. Just curious on why you made the switch.

@mikeinlutz Жыл бұрын

@@jakeoutdoors9600 recoil!

@dylanwdarby Жыл бұрын

.450 bushmaster is my go to straight wall. Would like to see how that stacks up to .350 legend

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

Well it beats it hands down for power, that's for sure.

@_DeFiNiTeLy_Not_BrAd_ Жыл бұрын

Problem for some can be to much power under 100yards, its a beast. 45 Raptor and .460 S&W are even hotter.

@jameshilbert4005 Жыл бұрын

Less recoil, better accuracy, cheaper ammo. Whats not to love. It has dropped every deer.

@jameshilbert4005 Жыл бұрын

340 legend for me!

@RedeemedPrepper Жыл бұрын

Love my 450 Bushmaster!! It's definitely my brush gun of choice

@ashmerch2558 Жыл бұрын

Big fan of both. I originally bought my 350Leg because I loved shooting the 30-30 but didn't want to shoot my grandpa's Winchester 94 1000 times per year ( I wanted to keep it the way he had it when he bought it in 1950-1951. ) I also wanted to run a low power variable scope... And to me... And I may be wrong... But scopes belong on modern bolt guns, Not lever guns. Edit : when I first bought my 350, the 145gr fmj plinking ammo was $9/box of 20... That was a major selling point as well. Having a full power deer capable rifle cartridge that has a cheap plinking option, not to mention it's a 35 cal with very little recoil... What's not to love

@kennethgoin628 Жыл бұрын

Not scoping a lever action is a matter of perspective. Older models that needed to be tapped, I don't go for that, but newer models that are pre-tapped, I'm all for letting the enthusiast with poorer eyesight enjoy their experience just the same. I'm getting older and there's just no two ways about it... it's hard to use irons now, so I'm scoping everything that comes built to allow it.

@mikespangler98 11 ай бұрын

I have two lever actions and the both have peep sights, so I'm not arguing. The rear open sight is just a blur now, can't use them at all any more. ☹️

@stephanfoster5043 Жыл бұрын

You could easily put it in a Browning BLR and I am surprised they haven't done it.

@hullihenfamily829 Жыл бұрын

i would be a buyer!

@rogerbuettnero3513 Жыл бұрын

And the Henry version. I think they cal it Long Ranger?

@stevepav8604 Жыл бұрын

Great Video Ron ! Thanks for the info. You should have also included the 450 Bushmaster.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

nice to see the 7.62x39 mentioned, it is a solid cartridge in its own right. I have a CZ 527 (mini-Mauser) in it and it's a handy rifle that comes in at five and half pounds and 37 inches overall. it's short and light and I can take it through the brush better than any other rifle I have, and it uses a caliber that is very suitable for white tail. I know it is dead accurate out to three hundred yards with the sight as well (not that I'd take a shot that far, even if could get one that long), so I don't see any problem with it. that round has little to do with Russia, since they moved on to 5.45x39mm in 1974. we ought not blame calibers for deeds committed by their parent nations, that's just silly. like you always say, it's just ballistics.

@wildweasel6898 Жыл бұрын

I almost bought that gun and still might but the new Russian ban on ammo made it less appealing. That gun shoots steel ammo better than brass. Or at least that's how it was marketed. That really is a selling point for me as I have thousands of rounds bought years ago. At this point I kinda want to save it for my sks tho😣

@rayjones5282 Жыл бұрын

I agree, I have the cartridge in Ruger ranch and tc contender. They are both very accurate and very impressive on whitetail with Hornady ammo.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

@@wildweasel6898 they weren't cheap rifles before, and they go for a bit more now. They discontinued the model in 2020 or so. I'm in the market for a second one in .223. It's fun, but in 7.62x39 it has some recoil. Not painful, but it is a little startling if you aren't ready. Lot a pop and not a lot of shove is the best way I can describe it. The nice part about shooting it is not only is it cheap because the caliber, it's also relatively cheap because the slow fore rate. You really get the bang for your buck out of a 20 round box of ammunition.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

@@vettelover2009 yeah, those mags are incredibly pricey.

@jacobrogers9109 Жыл бұрын

I love your channel keep up the great work Mr Spomer… I myself have owned four different 30-30s over a 20 year period and I must say it is my favorite for the east Texas woods… I have also had 270, 7mm rem mag, 308 win, and they all have a certain purpose for every application… People tend to enjoy arguing about what is best when they are all great in their own way… Thank you so much for your expertise on so many different calibers out there…

@benge3x Жыл бұрын

The primary reason for the 350 is to work in the states limiting to the straight walled options. The 450 BM is king but lots want a lower recoil option, better for say women or youth hunters.

@gman77gas Жыл бұрын

Whats the reason for straight wall? Limiting travel distance ? So as not to hit something

@kellym3531 Жыл бұрын

That is a ridiculous stereotype. They both work, one is cheaper, lighter and can be shot better by more people.

@kellym3531 Жыл бұрын

@gman77gas Exactly. Some farm areas are more densely populated. Doesn't really make sense since you can use whatever you want on coyote at least in Iowa.

@bobjohnson1633 Жыл бұрын

45-70 black powder loads were used to kill bison at 1000 yards. I'm sure that heavy bullets with crazy momentum and sectional density through the roof are totally safe at distances Gun laws are made by people who know nothing and just want to pass laws.

@rashick11 Жыл бұрын

@@gman77gas the basic idea is the regulators want a cartridge for dense population areas that is deadly to 200 yards, then drops harmless to the ground. This is the closest thing they could come up with.

@daviddorminey1434 Жыл бұрын

The 350 Legend works really well out of short barrels, on average it looses very little from 20" down to 16", straight wall + very fast burning powders = good performance out of short barrels. I'm getting a tad over 2200fps with those 165gr FTX's with Lil Gun in a 16" AR. Ron is right though trim length is hyper critical and the crimp is pretty critical too but a Lee factory crimp die is a huge help.

@jaypee389 Жыл бұрын

I'm seeing 2200 fps with a 300 grain SMK in an AR10. .375 Raptor.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, it still produces a lot of power out of short barrels like 11 inch or so. If I can source parts I might give it a go as a pistol.

@yewwtooob Жыл бұрын

Gains velocity if you reload. As does every pistol ready cartridge. Manufacturers load rounds that are used in pistols and rifles to be useful in both, but tuned to neither one. EVERYTHING is a trade off. They want the pistol guys money for 357 magnum, 350 Lego, etc. Just as they do the rifle people's.

@jaypee389 Жыл бұрын

@@yewwtooob 180 grain SJHP .357 Magnum at 1450 Feet Per Second is great. 110 Grain at 1900 Feet per second is great. So is 125 Grain at 1700 FPS. .357 is Awesome. Even better..... a Glock in 9x25 Dillon. Poorly build 124 Grain bullets at 1700 FPS in a Glock 20 will give you 125 Grain SJHP performance. 70 Grain hits 2300 fps. With stick mags....you have AR power kinda.

@user-uc5sn4tp3f 7 ай бұрын

Just before this , watched a you tube with .350 L starting out @ 25 inch , cutting back an inch at a time to 7 inches . 12 inch still giving 2150 - ish fps . Good for AR Pistols , SBR , T/C Contenders , or suppressor hosts , with pinned suppressor to make 16 inch net bbl length to not need two tax stamps .

@lil--mo2025 Жыл бұрын

Your channel is one of my favorites of all time! Thank you for all your great work.

@37rrudy Жыл бұрын

here in iowa we are a straight wall state, 45-70 and 444 marlin and 450 marlin are allowed even though they exceed the case length also 450 bushmaster is also popular here as well. i have used 45-70 and currently use 350 legend in a bolt gun and ar platform, thanks for the video, have a great holiday season

@Eric--zs6um Жыл бұрын

I'll keep the 30-30. I handload so options are there. Trail Boss is fun to play with in 30-30 with vg results out to 100 yds.

@Lauterbach24 Жыл бұрын

I've had really good results with BLC(2) as well.

@Eric--zs6um Жыл бұрын

@@Lauterbach24 I'll give BLC 2 A WHIRL

@Lauterbach24 Жыл бұрын

@@Eric--zs6um isn't the cleanest powder, but it flows wonderfully and gives excellent accuracy in everything I've tried it in.

@Jay78801 Жыл бұрын

Winchester had a run of over crimped ammo that was recalled a couple years ago. It was not head spacing right and causing over pressure. There is a video about it by a gun smith rifle build here on KZfaq. Eagle eye shooting

@Jay78801 Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bt11qa6jzN7Kpqc.html

@Callahangonefishin Жыл бұрын

Great review Ron! I could have gone either way, 30-30 or 350 Legend, but went with the Legend due to the lack of 30-30's in my area, as well as the cost, appreciate these reviews. Cheers

@jamessotherden5909 Жыл бұрын

Same here, 30-30 are scarce and when you do find them, they are $37.50 a box. However, .350 legend are plentiful. But I don't own a .350 rifle.

@jeffreybrandes881 Жыл бұрын

Always an educational experience with Ron.

@bradleyhughes6853 Жыл бұрын

Thought of 450 bushmaster, 50 beowolf, 458 Hamr. Just as other options, but on the plus side for 350 legend, it was one of the few cartridges I saw still often available when the ammogedon was going on.

@jic1 Жыл бұрын

.458 HAM'R is bottlenecked.

@actionjksn Жыл бұрын

@@jic1 it's .300 HAM'R

@jic1 Жыл бұрын

@@actionjksn There's more than one HAM'R.

@pewpewTN Жыл бұрын

I've been wanting a .50 Beowulf for a good while now. Just haven't been able to talk myself into another expensive cartridge to keep on hand.

@jonquirk9582 Жыл бұрын

Took a buck this year with the 350 legend. It's a hammer! The 150 gr deer season basically explodes on impact, it opens up super shallow, the deer dropped in his tracks and was instantly dead. After opening him up, i discovered that the bullet did not exit his off side. However, everything on the inside that was in the way, was completely destroyed. The damage on the inside looked like a bomb went off.

@TrapDaddy65 Жыл бұрын

Is that a good thing? It sounds like you may have destroyed a lot of meat. Was that the case?

@jonquirk9582 Жыл бұрын

@@TrapDaddy65 it's a very good thing. And no, i didn't destroy any meat. There's barely any meat on the ribs. If you take a broadside lung shot, and you shoot behind the shoulder like you're supposed to instead of through the shoulder, there's zero meat loss, behind the shoulder, ( double lung) or double lung and heart is the cleanest shot you can make for speed of death and lack of meat loss

@TrapDaddy65 Жыл бұрын

@@jonquirk9582 Thanks for the reply.

@Etruscan70 Жыл бұрын

I still use my Marlin .30-30 as my primary deer dispatcher after 40 years. I have several options to choose from in my gun safes but I just can’t seem to let it go , it’s perfect for me. Short barrel, compact size , reliable , and easy shooting. Why change ?

@MM_405 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely amazed just how CLOSE the 30-30 and 350 Legend are! I still love my old 30-30 but love the fact if I want a AR15 Platform 30-30 I definitely know where to find one! Thanks Ron you never disappoint in bringing information to table.

@Roy-tp2iy Жыл бұрын

I just learned 350 l on ar ar I sold my 1955 35cal marlin but it modern America this legend in ar is the alltmount outdoor rifle

@jackmemphis777 7 ай бұрын

comparing 170gr in both calibers, the ballistics are identical. Even with the 150-165gr the ballistics are nearly identical. Its awesome to have a modern 30-30 in an AR platform that hits like a hammer inside of 250 yards

@throttlejockey34 Жыл бұрын

having heard all the hype concerning the 350 legend, I decided to build an AR . I went with a 16" barrel and topped it with a simple 3x scope. I purchased all the needed components and dies and found a nice load to start with. ( 180 grin speer hot-cor over lil gun powder) fast forward to opening morning...a nice 8 pointer appears in the trees at about 160 yards. he presents a perfect broadside shot. the bullet hit right where the crosshairs were placed. he went about 30 yards and folded. upon inspection, the round was a through and through shot right in the boiler room. 2 days later, same woods, a small antlerless came in and stopped at about 150 yards out. again, shot placement was good. after rolling like it was hit by a truck, the deer gets up, runs about 20 yards and folded. considering the area I hunt is heavy timber, I'm very happy with the knockdown power and downrange performance of the legend.

@bdwillis8284 3 ай бұрын

That thing doesn’t look like much, but apparently it shines in the deer woods. Glad for it.

@lukecarmichael1588 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the wealth for detail and knowledge that Ron has. But above all, I like how he can relate the cartridge to the environment. Afterwall, if your white tail hunts are in wooded environments with no clear lanes over 200 yards, then the .30-30 is great. Plus using a lever action sometimes just feels cool.

@joelmcmahan7386 Жыл бұрын

I look forward to seeing what information comes from this video. I own a 35 and 30/30. Felt like the 350 fell into the same group of use as the two I’ve had for many years. So I didn’t feel the 350 would benefit me. I can see why many folks like this one with lower recoil but the energy to do a good job for a deer hunter. Thanks Ron for sharing your knowledge, tools, time and adventures with us all. Good hunting to you and your fans. 💪🏽🎥💯👍

@Drivapete Жыл бұрын

The .350 is a straight walled case developed for some states that only allow 'straight walled' rifle cases to hunt with a rifle. 45-70, 38-55 etc.

@johna2008 Жыл бұрын

Another plus to the 350 is if you have an AR you can just swap uppers instead of a new gun

@eddyfoley1765 Жыл бұрын

Living in Michigan in the restricted zone I purchased a .350 legend Savage Axis 2 and it has become my go to gun. It loves the Winchester 180 gr PowerPoint rounds. I am get 1.5” groups at 100 yards. It took three deer this year. Two out of the three dropped where they stood. Not sure how much longer I will take the .308 up north. I will just be using the .350 all over the state. Great round out to 200 for sure. I don’t hunt anywhere that I need more yardage than that.

@joeltipton6038 8 ай бұрын

Ron i just put one together with a complete upper from Baercreek Arsenal and it is absolutely amazing very slight recoil in a gas operated system and by the way that upper has a side charging handle. The whole build is just over 6 lbs and it shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards right out of the box.

@davidtrishhope9841 Жыл бұрын

Although I no longer own a 30 30 I like it can do its job at a lower chamber pressure and they have been making bullets so long for that cartridge I found it worked excellent at the ranges I hunted while hunting in thick scrub in New Zealand.

@wildweasel6898 Жыл бұрын

I'm going to be looking out for 350 legend in the henry long ranger lever action rifle. They already have a 223/556 and this seems like a likely transition to the hunting community in straight wall zones. Love your work buddy God bless you and your family.

@phild9813 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like a no brainer for Henry. Also wondering about the Browning BLR.

@MrRdvs87 Жыл бұрын

Although it doesn’t look traditional, I’d say look up the fightlight herring. Before anyone scoffs and tells me that one ought to just get an AR-15, we have to consider that people like running lever actions and that people in places like PA can’t hunt with their AR-15’s (without certain mods) so, the herring at least provides an option. What is worth noting too, is that you can use an 1100 stock to give yourself the wood aesthetic.

@sbcbaits994 Жыл бұрын

@@MrRdvs87oof. Those fight lights are an abomination 😂😂😂

@brettbaker5599 Жыл бұрын

Henry isn't interested apparently. I asked about the new Express being chambered in .350, "no plans at this time".:(

@Johneekay Жыл бұрын

@@brettbaker5599 When the .350 Legend first came out, I contacted Henry to see if they were going to offer one in lever action. Now I understand why they're not going to. Good video.

@dorzak975 Жыл бұрын

@13:20 Hornady does a soft tip in 350 legend because it is supposed to help with expansion. Similar to why the Critical Defense in pistol calibers has a plastic insert to avoid the hollow point clogging.

@jefffoster9458 Жыл бұрын

I live in Kansas and was looking for 243 rounds for over 2 years and was unable to get any so I went with the 350 and I love it

@PC-uh6hk Жыл бұрын

It might be a good idea to resurrect the 45-60 cartridge which is an excellent round.

@constitutionalrepublican1611 Жыл бұрын

eh, ill take the 45-70.... ive never heard of the 45-60.....

@mikespangler98 11 ай бұрын

40-65? Or the 405 Winchester, if it was good enough for Teddy Roosevelt...

@lucasmunoz6951 Жыл бұрын

350 legend Lever action!!! I really want to see Henry make one with a tubular mag 🤌

@louistorres4923 Жыл бұрын

You are the most informative, interesting, I love your program

@marshmellow3110 Жыл бұрын

35 Whelen is a hammer. Definitely a different level of recoil

@bigjon576 Жыл бұрын

The 375 h&h and the 9,3x62 are better. More ammo availability, heavier/larger bullets going nearly the same velocity.

@traviskuntz7503 Жыл бұрын

I'm building a 35 Whelen AI as we speak to replace my limp-wristed 350 Legend. Love shooting the Legend, but the terminal performance is severely lacking.

@rg8249 Жыл бұрын

@@bigjon576 New powders have 250 grain bullets at 2700 fps in the Whelen, 100 fps less than a 270 grain in the H&H and 200 fps more than a 270 grain in the 9.3. That's pretty good performance in my book.

@marshmellow3110 Жыл бұрын

@@rg8249 35 Whelen is considered “primitive” in Louisiana. Haven’t had one take a step.

@tonycollinsworth7393 Жыл бұрын

I shoot a 375 H&H but I’m 75 years old

@toddk1377 Жыл бұрын

I chose to shoot 350L soley for the fact that you get 30-30 ballistics along with soft recoil, while enabling me to use my AR for hunting. I love my lever action 30-30, but living in MI, my area to hunt is limited north of the limited deer zone while the 350 will enable me to hunt state wide with no restrictions. Another pro to the 350L is ammo, ammo is easy to find and fairly inexpensive to plink and practice with. 30-30 used to be cheap to shoot and fun to plink with, but now ammo for it is not available like it was and it's not cheap anymore either. Imo, I think they could make a lever action for this caliber, especially if it's mag fed (for all varieties of ammo, tube fed will work for the round nose and ballistic tips), and designed it like the marlin but with an AR style bolt incorporated.

@jonquirk9582 Жыл бұрын

Fellow Michigander here. I hunt the restricted zone as well, my 350 is awesome. I got a nice buck this year, 150gr deer season shredded his lungs and dropped him. Since we can't use 30-30, I'll take my 350 over a slug gun any day

@toddk1377 Жыл бұрын

@@jonquirk9582 Congrats on the buck my friend. I've used a shotgun many of times with success, but there are times that one buck presents itself and the range is questionable with a shotgun. Not so much with the 350L and it still does fairly well in heavily wooded areas, just like the 30-30, lol.

@jasonnye1436 Жыл бұрын

I like Ron. Great information and enjoyable to listen to.

@bobkat1663 Жыл бұрын

Great Show

@mr.mr.3301 Жыл бұрын

I’d like to see Ron review all mini action rounds for hunting.

@guns2478 Жыл бұрын

762x39 seems to be a great little cartridge and is very cheap I would love to see a video on that one

@KJUNUS-hn8vt Жыл бұрын

Yep. Who cares if it is Russian origin? There are a LOT of American sources for ammo and components. Plus, Russia isn't the country funneling our tax dollars to the DNC like Ukraine! Just saying.....

@ed4709 Жыл бұрын

Yup I can attest that is a great deer cartridge.

@benelliott9831 Жыл бұрын

How about a 350 Legend vs 35 Remington comparison? After being unimpressed with the 350s performance on deer and living in Ohio, I drew up a reamer for a modernized version of the 35-40 Maynard with slightly bigger dimensions to be formed out of 375 Winchester brass. I’m hoping to match 35 Remington but maybe able to exceed it. Received my reamer and dies the other day, now to wait for a barrel to start load development. Thanks for the video Ron

@NELLY-jg2rx Жыл бұрын

Ron! Please do a video on our great family of 35 caliber cartridges!

@AverageHouseHusband Жыл бұрын

I really like the numbers for 45-70 vs 450 bushmaster.

@t-bfr45-70 Жыл бұрын

The 450bm is a baby in comparison to what 45-70 can do.

@AverageHouseHusband Жыл бұрын

@@t-bfr45-70 SAAMI pressure on the 45-70 is 28,000 the bushmaster 38,500 the 45-70 can be loaded above that for a modern rifle but off the shelf Ammunition is going to be loaded to that spec.

@t-bfr45-70 Жыл бұрын

@@AverageHouseHusband that's why said can do but at this point there are enough companies out there loading it to higher pressure as well Buffalo bore, grizzly, hsm and underwood. Reason the 45-70 is so limited is for some id10t don't try putting it in a Springfield trapdoor. Really gets sad when you learn most factory ammo on the shelf is below 20,000cup. You can push 300gr to 2200fps and still be under 28,000cup.

@AverageHouseHusband Жыл бұрын

@@t-bfr45-70 Hornady Lever Evolution gets some good numbers in 45-70, pulls ahead at long range with heavy bullets but with comparable weights your not going to see much if any advantage in 45-70 over 450BM.

@t-bfr45-70 Жыл бұрын

@@AverageHouseHusband leverevolution don't empress me much in 45-70 405 cast boolets are usually able to be more accurate and if you keep to same weight as 45lc with your 45-70 your doing it wrong. Most 350bm loads are 300gr and lower most 45-70 are 350gr and up with the 350bm already being at the top of it's load capabilities. If I want an ar I guess 450bm be ok but I'd probably do an ar10 450 marlin KAK upper instead. Better options for bullets not to mention have more then enough 458 bullets.

@corytebay3742 Жыл бұрын

Great video Ron! But there is the 35 Remington.... long chambered in lever action / tubular magazine rifles (rimless) and I'm betting those ftx bullets measure 0.357" for just that cartridge - likely co-advertised for this cartridge.

@rogerbuettnero3513 Жыл бұрын

But, it isn’t a straight wall case. The .35 REM has a shoulder as I recall.

@corytebay3742 Жыл бұрын

@@rogerbuettnero3513 You're of course correct - but it is rimless. Also, the Marlin Levermatic is chambered in 30 carbine - certainly wouldn't be much of a stretch to make that or the BLR in a 350 Legend chambering.

@peterpoel1019 Жыл бұрын

.350 CVA scout 180 Winchester PP was effective for me in MI south of the line this year. A pleasant cartridge recoil wise and ammo easy to find. Handy safe rifle in the woods at a great price. I love a single shot

@dwarden3 Жыл бұрын

You were absolutely correct with the 300blk. I have shot all kinds of game with it and will never go back. 8.6blk is next on my list, thanks!

@yellowdog762jb Жыл бұрын

Agreed, 300 BO just doesn't have the thump that other centerfire rounds do. I have one, but haven't used it in years. I keep threatening to rebarrel the upper to a better round.

@murphymmc Жыл бұрын

Straight walled cartridge stretching on detonation is pretty nominal as compared to necked down cartridges. I hand load both, I check my bottle necked cartridges after three uses from the trimmed state. Most will go a couple more, straight walled brass in my pistols will go multiple reloads without needing trimming. Granted, the 350 Legend has higher pressures but keeping the brass trimmed is not going to be a problem anyway cuz if you hand load, you should have case trimming tools on hand. Go-No go gauges are highly important to bottle necked, with straight wall, dial calipers are likely sufficient.

@wdtaut5650 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that info. I have dies, etc. to reload my 350 Legend but haven't started yet. I have only reloaded bottle-necked cases to date. I wasn't worried. but now I am even more confident.

@_DeFiNiTeLy_Not_BrAd_ Жыл бұрын

How hot are you able to push the 350?

@wdtaut5650 Жыл бұрын

@@vettelover2009 I do, indeed, have Lee dies. They have never let me down in the other cartridges I reload. I realize the 350 Legend is a different type of cartridge from my others. I am shooting a Savage Axis and have the Lee collet crimp die. That has also worked well in my other cartridges. Mostly, I have Federal brass, some Winchester. Would it be worth it to get Starline?

@wdtaut5650 Жыл бұрын

@@vettelover2009 Thank you for the information. Sounds solid. Is there anything I need to know about using the RCBS? All my experience is with Lee. Any differences I need to consider?

@PJKlomberg 8 ай бұрын

Lee collet crimping die will destroy your headspace control! Only thing useable is a taper-crimp die, like what is used for an autoloading pistol cartridge that also headspaces on the case mouth.@@wdtaut5650

@dr.froghopper6711 Жыл бұрын

7.62x39, loaded with the right bullet, is pretty darned close to the 30-30.

@urokim Жыл бұрын

agreed

@stevendonnalammar4422 Жыл бұрын

Henry has the Long Ranger Express chambered in .223 with a drop box magazine, it has a 16.5" threaded heavy barrel. I think this would be a perfect candidate for the 350 Legend, rebore the barrel and chamber modify the mag and that should be all I would need.

@alivia4907 Жыл бұрын

I built my 1st ar 15 this year in 350 legend for my daughters to deer hunt with (Ohio). I love it so far. My daughters aren't afraid of the recoil which is what I was looking for.

@DaveL9170 Жыл бұрын

Zero reason to EVER worry about “down range energy and efficiency” of the 30-30. Shoot it at 150 yards and you’ll never have to worry about deer or black bear hunting. Good grief people.

@WoodChuckNorris223 Жыл бұрын

Excited to see 444 vs 350. Love em both.

@samuelpatrick5050 Жыл бұрын

A paul harrel test of this topic would be interesting

@KBell119 Жыл бұрын

I wish the 357 maximum was still around. I just got into lever actions.

@rogermitchemjr6722 Жыл бұрын

Thankfully I don't live in a state to where I'm limited to him with just a straight walled cartridge but regardless I have to admit Ron the more you talk about the .350 legend the more interested I am about it 🤔

@usafret4709 Жыл бұрын

Ron, take into account handloading with the Leverevolution powder. Gives the 30-30 an extra 200 fps at max load.

@woodrowcall3158 Жыл бұрын

That’s a niche loading and is not the venerable benchmark for the cartridge.

@jeffpinkava9634 Жыл бұрын

And leverrevolution can be used in the 350 also....eh..

@usafret4709 Жыл бұрын

@@jeffpinkava9634 Learn something new every day.

@usafret4709 Жыл бұрын

@@woodrowcall3158 Well, I reckon I am all gucci niche like that.

@woodrowcall3158 Жыл бұрын

@@usafret4709 Gucci mane and his pissin hot progressive powders 😂

@robertezell1916 Жыл бұрын

Already dropped a nice whitetail buck this year with my old trusty Winchester 94 in .30-30 Winchester! I hunt with it at least 4 or 5 times every year. I have never had to track a deer with that gun or round but I try my level best to do my part! The .35 Remington is often overlooked! Got one in a .336 Marlin and it just puts deer down!

@venturahwy76 Жыл бұрын

I have shot deer with my marlin 1894 357 magnum with 158gr semi jacket hollow points. Hand loaded to 1950 fps. That's a straight wall option under 150yds.

@jarcher5626 Жыл бұрын

If you could get Henry to chamber a Long Ranger, there’s your lever action. It comes in 308 if I remember correctly. (Update : The Henry Long Ranger comes in 223 Remington. Box magazine , same head diameter as 223 Rem. I bet if you just put a 350 legend barrel on one, it solves your no lever action 350 legend problem.

@chadblodgett8634 Жыл бұрын

Browning BLR was also chambered in .223 at one time as well if I recall. That being said the .350 Leg. would theoretically work okay from any magazine fed action that chambers .223 length cartridges.

@jic1 Жыл бұрын

I don't see why they couldn't chamber .350 Legend in one of their tube-fed guns, Yes, it's rimless, but so is .35 Remington and they offer that. Maybe the slight rebate causes more issues than I would anticipate, I don't know.

@blitzinstripes3788 Жыл бұрын

I suspect that Marlin and Henry, maybe Browning will all be building lever guns in 450, 350, etc soon enough due to the demand.

@jk-kr8jt Жыл бұрын

Ron, interesting video. Thanks. My state is still working on a rifle regulation. Needs to be a single shot. Actually any action will work, if the magazine is removed. Once they finally come out with their regulation, I think I'll be looking to have a highwall built. Also, I'm not a reloader but I find it interesting to hear your thoughts on the "problems " with the 350. All the best to you. Cheers, Jeff

@toddkuieck8683 Жыл бұрын

I live at Ohio where straightwall cartridge is the law normally hunt with the 450 bushmaster but my scope was messed up this year so I grabbed my 350 legend that I had for my grandson that thing is an absolute tak driver And where I hunt a 100 yd shot is a long shot so this 350 legend is an absolute great deer hunting road I've been using the Winchester XP deer season 150 grains

@af7119 Жыл бұрын

Ron, you're the cool uncle I wish I had.

@benge3x Жыл бұрын

357 maximum is essentially the same with a rim. Not near enough demand to drive the mfg of a lever gun.

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

I would love a lever gun in 357 max. That seems like a match made in heaven. Sadly it's basically a dead cartridge now.

@404nitro Жыл бұрын

I would say the 350 should be compared to the 35 Rem, especially with proper loads in each.

@williamster2015 Жыл бұрын

In Indiana we can use any round (necked or straight wall) which has a length of 1.6" to 1.8" which fires a .357" diameter projectile when hunting on public land. *This is why the .358 Hoosier exists*. On private land you can use any rifle cartridge which has a minimum diameter of .243 and I believe a case length no more than 3".

@cowlesjimmie Жыл бұрын

I can use anything here in KY but my go too is 350 legend in a 20 inch stainless bear creek arsenal upper that thing is accurate and does the job very well

@james2982 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you left the (your favorite to say, HA!) 450 bushmaster off the straight wall contender list. Also, It's such a bummer to me that they didn't design the 350 legend to be a longer version of the 357 magnum so that revolvers chambered in 350 legend could also chamber 357 magnum/38 special. Like how the 460 SW magnum can also chamber 454 Casul, and 45 Long Colt. I would buy one INSTANTLY if they could. Great content as always, Thank you!

@sinisterthoughts2896 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. That would be 357 maximum, which is basically a dead cartridge now. But a really cool one!

@johnferanchuk3176 Жыл бұрын

It is called .357 maximum or .357 super magnum. Without Hornady xtp and 25.o gr Acc 1680 you can get 1990 fps using a Marlin 1894C rechambered to .357 Max. With18 in bbl. Single shot only. Rifle action is just a bit too short to work thru action.

@jeffreyjohnson5092 Жыл бұрын

There is a rimmed version. The Mighty .357 Remington Maximum!!!!! Make a lever gun in the Max! Hey Henry git' to it!!!

@benge3x Жыл бұрын

Ohio allows the 444 and it’s a top seller of aftermarket TC encore barrels.

@tombeyer375 8 ай бұрын

The first center fire rifle I shot, was my mothers Marlin 30-30, which still stacks up for a pretty good deer woods gun! The 350 Legend is a really nice round, for the states with those kind of restrictions. I have friends that have tried the 350 Legend, in an AR platform, and love it!! Thanks again Ron, for bringing useful information to the table, once again!!

@danielfilippini5606 Жыл бұрын

Ballistics aren't the only criteria, performance is what counts. The 30wcf has always been a under 200yd cartridge. On game with winchester silvertips, remington core lock, you do your part, the bullet will drop your animal right where there at

@bigjon576 Жыл бұрын

I think the 444 marlin and the 450 marlin are criminally underrated. They are excellent cartridges, they both perform better than the 45-70. They need to more more rifles chambered in them.

@pauliec2193 Жыл бұрын

Currently there are no new rifles chambered in .444 Marlin to the best of my knowledge. Ruger Marlin should definitely do so. Nothing says putting Marlin back on the map, like chambering at least one rifle with a Marlin cartridge and the.444 would be ideal.

@blackhawk7r221 Жыл бұрын

I’ll all for a Ruger-Marlin in .444. Nothing like that .44 Supermag Plus!

@garrett892 Жыл бұрын

I considered both of those, but the sheer bullet variety in 45/70 is hard to beat. Can be loaded for just about anything you want to do.

@denisdegamon8224 Жыл бұрын

Maybe in the case of yhe 450, but the 444 Marlyn is certainly not the equal of more modern 45/70. The only reason those two appear to be superior is they are a more modern iterations as the industry is scared that there are alot of older 45/70's out there which are not as strong as the modern metallurgy or actions (black powder period) . The old 45/70 with a falling block or a Ruger #1 actions loadings have their own special sections in any reloading manual and can rival many 450 Bushmaster loads.

@jic1 Жыл бұрын

@@garrett892 Maybe I'm missing something, but there shouldn't be any bullet you could load in .45-70 you couldn't load in .450 Marlin. Unless you are talking about availability of factory ammo, in which case you are probably right.

@mattnewcomb4147 Жыл бұрын

Ron you would probably appreciate the efficiency and surprising flat shooting of a 357 Mag lever action. From a Brian Pearce article, 19 gr Lil' Gun and a 158 gr JSP BC .16 goes 2030 fps in a 20" barrel. Buffalo Bore gets a 158 going 2150. 2.8" high at 100 is dead on at 150 and 3" low at 175. Use a bonded JSP like the Speer for 99% of shooting and you have the option of the Speer bonded JHP for longer shots where bullet has slowed down. Both bullets hit the same POI. I was already using my 357 and 45 Colt rifles for years by the time the 350 legend came out and there really isn't much gain over the 357 rifle with Underwood, Buffalo Bore or handloads with Lil' Gun powder. The 350 legend has a little more energy at 175 yards but the pointy JSP do not mushroom past 100 yards. Watch all the videos- many of the JSP don't expand at 10 yards off the muzzle and the 150 disintegrates and penetrates like a 223. For a hypothetical 175 yard shot would you rather send a bonded Gold Dot 158 through a deer at 1350 fps or a pointy, non expanding legend bullet at about 150 fps faster? Same argument against the 30-30: at 175 yards most bullets don't expand but the 357 rifle has decades of bullet technology from law enforcement use to optimize performance at 12-1400 fps. At 13-1500 fps the Legend and 30-30 act like FMJ

@markwyatt131 7 ай бұрын

My very first deer rifle was a Model 94 Trapper chambered in 44 mag. At 13 years old I worked all summer, and mowed 40 lawns to save up the $400 so I could buy the rifle myself. At 14 , my first season hunting solo, I shot my first deer with it. I'll never forget that hunt. Not only because it was the first deer I harvested hunting solo, but also because I was so excited I neglected to make sure the muzzle was outside of the window of the deer blind. I swear my ears rang all day. Sense then, I've added a dozen or so deer to it's body count. Where I hunt with it here in MI, 30-40 yards is the longest shot I'd ever get. At that distance , a 240gr FNSP and 21.5grs of H110 puts them down. I think another interesting cartridge for the straight wall discussion would be the 45 Raptor. I don't really know anything about it other than it's run in the AR platform, and it has a case length of 1.8", so it'd be legal in Michigan.