I'll consider this! Thanks!

@@DyLightedCatan This would actually be much more useful than situational strategies such as placement on specific board configurations. Awesome channel btw. Keep it up.

If you're looking to get more of the "rules" of Catan, check out Neonate Gaming. Neonate is one of the pioneer Catan channels on KZfaq and where DyLighted got the rules in this video from. Neonate hasn't been posting/streaming much lately but you can find his "rules of Catan" in the description of his newer videos.

@@DyLightedCatan thanks for your detailed videos, I also appreciate this kind of analysis as i recently got more invested in Catan. However i do have a couple of questions regarding the board of example 4. As 4th player in this game after 3rd player has taken the 11/6/4 OWS shown at 7:28, my (relatively new player) play would be the 10/8/4 Ore double brick (road to the brick port), then i would take the 10/8/3 wheat double wood (road to the 4 sheep). My logic here is that i will have very strong wood and brick to play the longest road game and every 10 roll gives me wheat and ore for cities. i place the second settlement so i get wheat for a my third settlement to be built on the brick port and point the road toward the sheep since it is the only resource i dont have access to and with the intention of my forth settlement to be built on the 8/4 wood/sheep/? port spot. Question 1. what is your opinion/critique of this play and what makes the 6/3/11 taken by player 4 in the video (shown at 7:31) a better play than my play of the 10/8/3. Question 2. With my play i think player 3 would then take the 11/9/3 sheep double wood to pair with his wood port target, then player 2 would take the 4/5/11 brick double sheep to get access to brick to complete the road/settlement costs and sheep for the sheep port it looks like he is going for. Player 1 I actually then dont know. Do you think these will be the plays of player 2 and 3, and if not what do you think they will do instead? Also where do you think player 1 would place their second settlement. Thanks again for the videos and clear explanations.

Thank you! I spent a lot of time on this video. I'm glad you could enjoy it.

Of course! Thanks for watching and learning!

Thank you so much for the compliment. Yea that puzzle was ridiculously hard xD. I realized that after even the strong players I practice with had trouble solving it. I'm really glad you learned something. I'll definitely keep on trying to make more like this.

Awesome! Thank you for the feedback!

Thanks! I appreciate it!

Thank you! I definitely try and do this on easy boards with good players. It helps out a bunch. Also yes, the farther you plan it out the more unreliable it becomes as people see different things than you do. Thanks for the comment!

Thanks! I really appreciate the compliment!

@@DyLightedCatan I love how you breakdown the concepts and give a chance to apply to a real board. Invaluable to me as I have a small obsession with the game. Please keep up the great work!

I agree with this. I think board 3 is actually the weakest example out of all of these. Another way for the 8/10 placement to fall apart is for 4th player to take the 5/8/4. Thanks for the comment and for pointing that out.

@@DyLightedCatan Good point about the 8/5/4 snipe too! I didn't consider that either but yeah the 4th player could have a very strong game by pairing that with the 6/5/11 and heading towards the 8wheat/3ore spot uncontested. I think 4th position could also get greedy and point their 2nd road from the 6/5/11 down to the 10/11/3. We'd have to settle for the 9/6/2 or the 9/10/5, leaving us without either sheep or wood. We'd probably be battling for only 2nd place with some luck.

Well that seems to be a good strategy but only getting resources at the same numbers is really risky, because if in that game never ever a 10 gets rolled, u really strugle. Same goes also for the 8. So normally it is better to be on different numbers.

Typically, a dev card strategy/an ore/wheat/sheep game is easier/more likely to win than a wood/clay (road) game. This is easier possible with the 6/3/11, and I think this is why Dylighted prefered this spot. In addition, with no sheep and low wheat you won't buy a lot of dev cards, so you won't have too much control where the robber will be... I might still prefer the 3/8/10 (pointing the road left to the 3:1 port with sheep), trying to play a road game, because it will put you in the best spot for road considering starting/early ressources, whereas army might be more contested. In the end, I think it's personal preference...

Hello! First off, thanks for the compliment! Great thoughts! I did think of the possibility of player 4 taking the 8/4/10 and the 8/3/10, but I think that is very unlikely. In addition, you say that the 4/8 might be open (which it could), but the red player (me) might take the 4/8 and build to the 6 wheat adding more risk to the placements. Personally, I’d take the what I did in the video for my setup to win - the 8/4/10 and the 6/3/11 (I think 6/5/11 is better though). As other people have mentioned, I think taking what I took in the video puts you in a very strong position. You have the uncontested brick port and good ore/wheat/sheep to win the army race with strong numbers also.

If you did the placement you did (8/4/10 + 3/8/10), I think there’s not a good spot to expand to as the road player. I also sort of hate playing at the road player when I can’t connect. It’s very inefficient to spend roads on both sides of the island since one side doesn’t contribute to the longest road. I also think you’ll face the same issue of getting the 10 ore blocked, and you won’t have many knights to defend that spot. I also think you’ll face the issue of not getting longest road or army. I think blue may be able to beat you in roads even if you have the better wood brick since they have more space.

That's a great point and I totally agree with you! That spot will still be blocked whenever a 7 is rolled or when a knight is played.

Good points and good thoughts! Taking the 3/4/11 is taking only 7 points of production. Production allows consistency since you can't really do anything if you don't have any cards!

Assuming the 9/5/10 is obtained, there would be 18 points of production, with 8 leading to roads (4 each of wood and brick). The setup you indicated would have 21 points of production, but the distribution would be heavy sheep (2 and 4 brick and wood, 9 sheep). While I agree that high production is ideal, the lack of brick would make expansion difficuIt. (Roads and settlements both need it.) What would your gameplan be for the 3/4/8, assuming the 9/5/10 is also secured? (A valid assumption, used in my 3/4/11 placement also.)

I agree this could be quite strong. However as he mentions further below, there's not great expansion spots to go for as a road player

Look up neonate Catan on KZfaq.

I agree with you

Maybe your rule book is copied and incomplete, but you always get your resources from your 2nd settlement. This is the rule for all Catan games.

L. A. Thank you! Join the discord to play some games with me! If there’s a good game, I might end up posting it!

Great question! Another person named "Neonate" makes Catan videos also. He's my biggest inspiration and has taught me a large amount of the fundamentals I have today. Neonate has made a list of 100 rules in Catan (below). Be sure to check out his Catan videos! kzfaq.info/love/mOudUD791Jv_iZcW3R8l1Q Rules v20190624 Placements Rule #1 Ore Wins Rule #2 Production, Production, Production Rule #3 No Wheat = Defeat Rule #4 Get All Five Resources Rule #5 But, Ore/Wheat/Sheep Still Very Strong Rule #6 Good Ratio of Wood:Brick is 1:1 Rule #7 Good Ratio of Ore:Wheat:Sheep is 5:3:2 Rule #8 Plan Third Settlement / Port Rule #9 Point Roads to Coasts or Desert Rule #10 Don’t Be Greedy (7-8pt Spots Will Be Contested) Rule #11 Free Road? Yes, Please Rule #12 Same Numbers = Feast or Famine Rule #13 Reserved… Rule #14 … Rule #15 … Rule #16 When First, Check Edges Rule #17 When Third, Take Rare Resources Rule #18 When Third, Predict Fourth Rule #19 When Fourth, Take Best Production Rule #20 When Second, Predict Last Gameplay Rule #21 Know Thyself: Army or Road? Rule #22 Know Others: Army or Road? Rule #23 Track Army & Road Progress Rule #24 Largest Army Better Than Longest Road Rule #25 Build Sooner / Take Bird in the Hand Rule #26 Spread Out Production Rule #27 Avoid Confrontations Rule #28 Get a Port Rule #29 Don’t Make Yourself a Target Rule #30 When Ahead, Buy Dev. Cards Rule #31 When Behind, Build Cities Rule #32 Avoid Taking Army Too Early Rule #33 Never Take Army Too Late Rule #34 Build a City Before Max’ing Out Settlements Rule #35 Take Longest Road as Late as Possible Rule #36 Know Your Win Condition(s) Rule #37 Know Opponents’ Win Conditions Rule #38 Reserved… Rule #39 … Rule #40 … Development Cards Rule #41 Play Knights Before Rolling (Except If Holding 7 Cards) Rule #42 Save Monopoly for the End Rule #43 Beware of Monopoly Rule #44 Road Building? Plan Ahead Rule #45 Save Invention for Rare Resources Rule #46 Victory Points? Just Build Rule #47 Track Dev. Cards Remaining Rule #48 Reserved… Rule #49 … Rule #50 …   Trading (General) Rule #51 Trade to Build Now or Soon Rule #52 Trade for Rare Resources Rule #53 Trade with Trailing Players Rule #54 Trade Tightly with the Leader Rule #55 Reserved… Rule #56 … Rule #57 … Rule #58 … Rule #59 … Rule #60 … Trading (On Your Turn) Rule #61 Trade Before Building Rule #62 Almost a Coin Flip (48%), 7s Won’t Roll (4P) Rule #63 Reserved… Rule #64 … Rule #65 … Trading (On Opponents’ Turn) Rule #66 Trade Tightly When Opp. Needs Trade to Build Rule #67 Trade Tightly When Opp. Holds Many Cards Rule #68 Avoid Trades When Opp. Has 6+ Points Rule #69 Demand Multiple Cards When You Hold 7+ Cards Rule #70 Reserved… Robber Rule #71 Block/Rob the (Real) Leader Rule #72 Block Resources You Produce Rule #73 Unfair Robber? Play Tit for Tat Rule #74 Racing? Rob & Block What He Needs to Win Race Rule #75 Reserved… Rule #76 … Rule #77 … Rule #78 … Rule #79 … Rule #80 … Table Management Rule #81 Table Talk Works Rule #82 Don’t Be a Jerk Rule #83 Don’t Show-Off Rule #84 Reserved… Rule #85 … Rule #86 … Rule #87 … Rule #88 … Rule #89 … Rule #90 Situational Rule #91 Low Ore, Ports are King Rule #92 Reserved… Rule #93 … Rule #94 … Rule #95 … Rule #96 … Rule #97 … Rule #98 … Rule #99 … Rule #100 Break Rules as Needed

@@DyLightedCatan thank you for posting this! Such a great channel host ❤️

Jan Zalewski Great thought! I don’t think that’s a crazy idea, but it’s certainly not the strongest one as you leave so so much space for the rest of the 3 players. Even if it is “better” for you, it’s way “better” for your opponents. If your opponents have a much better setup, doesn’t that make your setup worse? After all, you are trying to have the best setup to win the game, not a mediocre setup that’ll tie with your opponents. With that said, it’s a great idea and I love the creativity. If it was a causal match and I wanted to learn , I’d potentially do something like that and see what I can learn from a creative placement like that.

@@DyLightedCatan thanks, I do agree that this might not be the best, but I do love trying something very weird from time to time

Of course! I agree. Trying and experimenting even the wrong things is a good way to learn things you typically wouldn’t learn.

Yes - with newer players this sort of breaks down since you need assume competency. Well said.

Siggerou1993 - 2nd placed 6/3 and 1st placed 4/5/11. 2nd should have placed 6/2 though, the 6/3 is quite passive.

@@DyLightedCatan Sorry, I meant to say "What are the main things to consider when picking 1st, and 2nd?"

Siggerou1993 Oh! I see. In general as 1st and 2nd position you want to get the highest producing spots along with the strong wheat and ore. For example, if there is a 5/8/10 Ore wheat sheep you always want to take that 1st. That’s an amazing first spot.

4-11 is not enough production and gives too much space to our oppoennts

I believe he was anticipating that if he went 8/4/10 then player 4 would likely take the 8/3/10 spot at the bottom

@@cassidybrash4243 i meant as a 4th player (in the example where 3rd takes the 11 6 4 at the bottom) but i confused the sheep port with the wood port :D so nevermind