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4 Communication Tactics Narcissists Use

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@youngblood8540
@youngblood8540 Жыл бұрын
Narcissists have the ability to dishonor you, while simultaneously claiming that they love you. Another word for a narcissist is, EMOTIONAL TERRORIST!
@thewhitewizard1320
@thewhitewizard1320 Жыл бұрын
My father said he was "afraid to be murdered for his inheritance" after I made some remarks about him putting all his money (a million + euro's) into his pension thus leaving nothing for his (grand) children. (He already said it was his goal in life to leave his children nothing when I was 10 years old ....) Although I do understand it isn't your only goal in life to make your children wealthy, I certainly do think we (and esp. the GRAND children) won't get the same chances in life that he has. After I went completely no contact after his "being murdered statement" 5 months ago he keeps telling me that he misses me and loves me. (which he has NEVER said before in my life) He don't seem to see any contradiction in this !!
@summersalix
@summersalix Жыл бұрын
That's a great way of describing it!
@tinawalton2208
@tinawalton2208 Жыл бұрын
Perfect description
@sand0077
@sand0077 Жыл бұрын
An emotional suicide bomber!
@fyshitmusic9036
@fyshitmusic9036 Жыл бұрын
O9oll9l9ll
@ifoxfirei
@ifoxfirei Жыл бұрын
I know it would be childish to play this on the TV while they are actively giving me the silent treatment. But man do I really want to. 😊
@BeeBeeBell
@BeeBeeBell Жыл бұрын
Do it!
@GlupShiddo
@GlupShiddo Жыл бұрын
Loll. I personally wouldn’t want them to know I’m procuring that armor.
@ifoxfirei
@ifoxfirei Жыл бұрын
@beastslayer9009 yep, another reason why I wouldn't do it. But in my head, watching them listen to a KZfaq vid calling them out, feels so good.
@GlupShiddo
@GlupShiddo Жыл бұрын
@@ifoxfirei I totally hear you. Wanna get in their head a little and call them on their s*** without directly confronting them. Passive aggression under those circumstances is certainly tempting :’)
@TallKulWmn1
@TallKulWmn1 Жыл бұрын
If only! Mine would view this & point out all the work I need to do on myself 🤦‍♀️
@stephanieburmeister9195
@stephanieburmeister9195 Жыл бұрын
I LOVED it when my dad would employ the silent treatment. Then we could do as we pleased and he'd keep his mouth shut. No insults. No demands. No put downs. It was a reward in our(family) case it was wonderful.
@AnHeC
@AnHeC Жыл бұрын
Yeah. For kids of a narcissist it's a relief. Yeah, you still feel guilty and bad but it's such a relief when the constant demands and attacks stop.
@michelleperkins9886
@michelleperkins9886 Жыл бұрын
Oh, yes! Like an unexpected mini-vacation!!
@lcflngn
@lcflngn Жыл бұрын
Hear hear! The best. My mother moved away & stonewalled more or less for 20 years. A blessing for us all. Then she returned out of the blue, a few months after my father died, & we were right back to living in her bizzaro world. Obvs she wasn’t entirely gone for 20 years, but it was nice that she was far away. Now we have to deal with holidays again. What a poor, sad, decrepit & incapable old lady we have on our hands now. (NOT) She’s the witch she’s always been, just closer, and sadly even more insidious.
@MisterGhostie
@MisterGhostie Жыл бұрын
I only deciphered my mothers personality as narcissistic recently, but before that I treated her silent treatment like her accidentally giving herself a " time out" and take that time to get things done without her hovering
@johnhanaly2943
@johnhanaly2943 11 ай бұрын
I'm not a big fan of "silent treatment". I don't confuse it with quiet time which isn't controlling. In my experience silent treatment was about control and getting one's way.
@Frederiekje221
@Frederiekje221 9 ай бұрын
Silent treatment never worked with me because I was always so relieved when they left me in peace.
@rllght
@rllght Жыл бұрын
I have ghosted more than one narcissist in my life and I have no regrets.
@chiffre-nummer8475
@chiffre-nummer8475 2 ай бұрын
To me it was always like a minefield ... everything could make him explode even during a silent treatment ...
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
The silent treatment can also be them going somewhere for a couple of days and not responding to your calls or text. When they feel you have suffered enough they return to your depleted self. Cruel? Absolutely! But it works….. until it doesn’t because you are done with their emotional and mental abuse. Then you go NO CONTACT. 😊
@DJH97
@DJH97 Жыл бұрын
My mother has done this all my life. Lasted anywhere from a few weeks to 3 years. Then my father would come and insist that I go “hug the mother” insinuating that I was always in the wrong. Finally at 50 years old I said “NO”. Eventually it came to no contact after repeatedly being told they just didn’t care about me. Bye bye. Have a nice life.
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
@@DJH97 I’m so sorry to hear that DJ. That was cruel and abusive to do to your own child. I’m glad you found the strength to close the door and move on.
@DJH97
@DJH97 Жыл бұрын
@@naspa2790 She is a very cruel hateful vindictive person. Rejection became the norm from her. Emotionally couldn’t do it anymore.
@whereisyourhumanity7557
@whereisyourhumanity7557 Жыл бұрын
"Oh, you're back already? Shoots."
@tammyfitzgerald5336
@tammyfitzgerald5336 Жыл бұрын
I used the no contact to my advantage 😂❤😂❤
@ritahemmerly4224
@ritahemmerly4224 Жыл бұрын
My X used silent treatment until one day I out silenced him. When he was ready to talk again I stayed silent for the same amount of time he did. He never did it again!
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
💪
@PenninkJacob
@PenninkJacob Жыл бұрын
I guess the reality is that you can't in fact stop abuse, so the only option is to learn to recognize it and do whatever you can to keep distance, boundaries, and protect yourself. ❤❤❤ Thank you so much Dr. Ramani!!!!!!!!!!!!!👍
@joshuaanzalone2060
@joshuaanzalone2060 Жыл бұрын
Yep Jacob I stay away from narcs
@mday3821
@mday3821 Жыл бұрын
That sounds about right!
@truth322
@truth322 Жыл бұрын
The law can stop abuse if needed
@debbieriley7838
@debbieriley7838 Жыл бұрын
Lost so many days due to this. Always my day off
@krd0c27
@krd0c27 Жыл бұрын
​@@truth322 unfortunately the law won't do anything about mental abuse and especially not for a man...
@RedDragonProtection
@RedDragonProtection Жыл бұрын
I used to hate the silent treatment for the first few years, but now it's a gift. I actually really like it.
@sherriflemming3218
@sherriflemming3218 Жыл бұрын
Yes it can be.
@jacquelineglitter4328
@jacquelineglitter4328 5 ай бұрын
I love it. It's the only time I have peace.
@christipton1075
@christipton1075 Жыл бұрын
Silent treatment and stonewalling ride a very thin line to grey rocking. The difference is, the silent treatment feels petty, and the goal is to hurt you and get something. With grey rocking, the goal is to avoid chaos, arguments, gaslighting, and keeping the peace. While still being open to communication, you’re just keeping it short and uninteresting. Sometimes, people on the outside might view your grey rocking as narcissistic silent treatment or stonewalling. Because the narcissist will be recruiting them. Just letting you know, in these abusive situations you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Just leave if you can.
@proxemiafpv5746
@proxemiafpv5746 Жыл бұрын
Wow you said it better than me. Here i am 3 years out and when I hear silent treatment is narcissistic I began to doubt myself and my contribution. I ended up going silent because I could never get a word in edgewise. I’d be talked down talked over or gas lit. And I would repeat myself time and time again until I realized I was wasting my breath. I eventually went silent. But I didn’t do it to punish. I did it for my own sanity. Damned if I did and damned if I didn’t. I was verbally abusive when I talked. I was emotionally abusive when I didn’t.
@diamondonpurpose9145
@diamondonpurpose9145 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you explained this as I was thinking the same!!! I'm no contact with most of my family and Grey rock 2 of em. I don't care what it "looks like". I know what it is and that's what counts!!! #stayinghealthy
@user-ek5du4dp3f
@user-ek5du4dp3f Жыл бұрын
How do I find someone (therapist) help me threw this nightmare. My husband had does everything your saying and I’m seen as the unstable one and he’s the nice, strong, stable, great guy to our friends and his family and even sweet talks a therapist. I was brought up in an orphanage, no family to help me, which has give him free range to claim it’s all me. I always thought I was once the strongest women I knew, until several years into our marriage. Now I’m a shell of who I once was and no longer have any self esteem. I feel like a deer in the headlights, sometimes I can’t even breathe. NOW in my 70’s feeling so used and abused and like I’ve gone crazy etc.etc. I finally left and moved 1,500 miles away. He showed up on my door with Cancer and I took him in an cared for him for 3 years of hell and back. Now he won’t leave. And I can’t afford to leave again. I so deserve better than this an feel so hopeless ???
@user-nt7fx2bw3i
@user-nt7fx2bw3i Жыл бұрын
You're right damned if you do and damned if you don't. I was so puzzled and hurt by my sister for years and when I started listening to Dr. Ramani she has shed light on the behaviors I suffered with for years.
@altpropaganda7293
@altpropaganda7293 Жыл бұрын
Dang I go through this self gaslight every time I hear these psychologists talk about behaviors i’ve done to avoid narcissists that are narcissistic tactics, the ghosting one is the absolute worst for me. I’ll ghost the narcissist but then question if i’m the narcissist.
@BuckleUpButtercup62
@BuckleUpButtercup62 Жыл бұрын
I am my moms caregiver because no other siblings will do it. She has been horrid our whole life. She did something 1 day to totally embarrass me to ppl in public, I came home and for the first time in 56 years I went off on her. She gave me the silent treatment for an ENTIRE YEAR! We live in the same house. It was the BEST year so far of having to care for her.
@zackleewright6885
@zackleewright6885 Жыл бұрын
I was in the same boat. She had cancer and later she got dementia. Her oncologist put her in some meds after she went off on him. She went from hateful angry and abusive to being kind attentive and grateful. Stay strong and look into some antidepressants for her. My mom passed away two years ago
@BuckleUpButtercup62
@BuckleUpButtercup62 Жыл бұрын
@@zackleewright6885 she passed away June 21. After a fall in May when I had her taken to the hospital it was discovered she had some kind of cancer that had been already invading her skull bones. Because she continually refused any type of medical treatment or preventative check ups we have no idea what the type of cancer it was. She was placed in Pallative/hospice care and passed 29?days later. I had cared for her for just under 11 years.
@melvanrooyen1165
@melvanrooyen1165 Жыл бұрын
Omg bless you. You are a very brave person. I am sure her toxicity drew into her brain.
@adamaddams6472
@adamaddams6472 4 ай бұрын
You do know/realize that the act of you being embarassed "to ppl in public" and angry but then holding that shame (mark that word) and anger untill you were in a more private place and THEN unleashing or "went off on her" that is probably one of the biggest indicators of NPD. As per the DSM - 5, the standard manual/ diagnostic tool for clinicians (maybe a made up word.. IDK) An eye for an eye leaves both partially blind. On a less moral and more personal note; I once heard a comedian say something along the lines of what i have become to agree with; When your parents F*%& with you when your young (or whenever, i say) just remember that, they will be old one day and most elder abuse is reported by the family or caregiver... You say you are both huh??? Lol *For legal purposes this statement has been for entertainment pusposes only and in no way reflect the thoughts or ideas of the (innocent) person that made them. (Cause, again, innocent)
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
💪😂
@petrairene
@petrairene Жыл бұрын
I think the silent treatment often comes from the narc feeling genuinely hurt and insulted when his or her demands are not met, as if you have done something seriously awful to them, like in a normal person, you kicked their puppy or something. I think the silent treatment is also an attempt of the narc to re-gain absolute control over communication when in active communication that control has slipped. All narcissistic behaviours in the end aim at controlling the victim.
@margiechism
@margiechism Жыл бұрын
Let's get real ■ their [c]atch is their prize; they do not want to loose what they desire. You bet it can get ugly if they see what they want 'starting' to walk away.
@mday3821
@mday3821 Жыл бұрын
What we really hurt is the Narcissist's fragile ego.
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
Silent treatment: they ignore you and psychologically make you anxious. Mind bending abuse. You cave. They win. Back to full control. Such a game for them.
@DJH97
@DJH97 Жыл бұрын
I just asked my mother why she lied about me. Had the proof in an email right in front of her. That brought silent treatment for 3 years. My dad went in hospital for open heart surgery and she didn’t even tell me. She told my son she didn’t want to be around me. A real piece of work
@Gemmarose9012
@Gemmarose9012 Жыл бұрын
@@naspa2790That’s why the only way is no contact. Outlast the silent treatment. FOREVER.
@Sorsha011
@Sorsha011 Жыл бұрын
I have been ignoring the narcissist's silent treatment. I refuse to let him know it got to me when he first did it. Now I just act like everything is normal, I haven't even noticed it and am not hurt by his lack of response. I used to feel terrible and wind up apologizing for something I shouldn't have apologized for. Now I just focus on being happy and know I am a decent person who doesn't deserve to be ignored. I bring a lot to the table and am still happy to offer love and care to my friends. If he doesn't want to answer back it's his loss. I don't know if it's healthy - but I sure feel better.
@margiechism
@margiechism Жыл бұрын
Crude ■ if their [w]orms are ticking their butt, I 'can not' feel it. They need their own detox.
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
You need to get out of that toxic relationship
@melisentiapheiffer3034
@melisentiapheiffer3034 Жыл бұрын
I'm ignoring the narcs silent treatment as well. They are traumatized kids trying to resolve their unresolved issues and trauma caused by the primary parent. They have no ego/self, so they need narcissistic supply to fuel their false self.
@Sorsha011
@Sorsha011 Жыл бұрын
@@bee12355 I pretty much am out of it. We were just "friends" - I guess as much as one can be friends with a narcissist. I hadn't realized it was all fake the whole time. Now that I do - well, it's easier and I have no desire to give him the satisfaction of knowing he hurt me, so I keep it light and superficially friendly. On my terms alone.
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
@@Sorsha011 Be careful. You may present a challenge to him. Take care of yourself.
@OfTheSeedOfJacob
@OfTheSeedOfJacob Жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do a video on reactionary abuse. Someone who purposely pushes your buttons, does things that they know will traumatize, sabotage & gaslight for the reactions they get out of you. Someone who then convinces you & everyone around that YOU are bipolar, have anger & mental issues which causes you to become isolated. A short video on facebook about it actually opened my eyes to the fact that it had been happening to me for 20yrs. It could help someone else who believes there's something wrong with them when they're actually being abused & manipulated
@bronwyntanner4501
@bronwyntanner4501 Жыл бұрын
I was the reactive abuser in the 14 years insane marriage to the passive aggressive covert narcissist. I was so ashamed of my behavior. I screamed and shouted and ranted and raged and swore. Horrendous. Happy joyous and free since June 2017. Not one angry day!!!!
@inthesheden
@inthesheden Жыл бұрын
This is my current reality. It has effected my relationship with our kids. Thank you for sharing. Gives me validation.
@inthesheden
@inthesheden Жыл бұрын
Im in the process of leaving the relationship. I pray my kids will be ok, that it didnt go on too long...
@aprilelizabeth9967
@aprilelizabeth9967 Жыл бұрын
I feel like my ex really wanted that from me but we weren’t together long enough and I generally managed to remain calm and assertive. When I wasn’t feeling calm and assertive and my anxiety was close to giving me panic attacks, I’d usually exit the room and try to go calm down. But whenever I’d exit he’d follow me and often that’s when he’d start screaming his head off. I’d keep repeating things like “I need a minute to calm down.” “Stop screaming at me.” But it wouldn’t work. He’d make out I was the one with the problem lol. He’d be stood over me, screaming and genuinely stamping his foot like an angry toddler and yelling there’s something wrong with me, and I need to grow up. I wish there was the time and space to share the whole story in all of these situations because it’s absolutely insane. I was a normal, happy person. I was first trained in counselling aged 12, specially selected by my deputy head and school counsellor. I’m a psych major. I’ve a decent amount of mental health training under my belt. Nothing too impressive but just enough to sometimes, in my disbelief at how outrageous he was, have to stifle a laugh as he screamed and screamed because it was so ridiculous. I mean, one time I walked away because he’d lied right to my face, then been caught out and there he was screaming at me about it. He’d scream because he wanted to control me and I tried to stay true to myself. Say no when I mean no. The screaming would come sometimes out of the blue and sometimes after failed efforts to manipulate me. Eventually I made a terrible mistake and clearly defined his behaviour as abusive to his face. That’s when the threats of physical violence started. That’s when it got really dangerous to be around him.
@terriblue68
@terriblue68 Жыл бұрын
That happened to me also. My mother self-diagnosed me as bi-polar and filed an affidavit I'm support of my now ex-husband in family court. He pushed my buttons Big Time to get a reaction out of me. Telling my entire family I was crazy. That was a very traumatic time in my life.
@ClandestineGirl16X
@ClandestineGirl16X 11 ай бұрын
I've trained myself to not give an F and it was the best thing I've ever learned. Thank you Dr. Ramani
@legaleagle4947
@legaleagle4947 Жыл бұрын
Narcissists are exhausting… they drain the life from you… which in turn keeps them thriving. For my own wellbeing, I have recently distanced myself from a narcissistic ’friend’. Since I am a people pleaser, this hasn’t been easy, as in free from feeling bad… but keep reminding myself that I have to take care of myself.
@legaleagle4947
@legaleagle4947 Жыл бұрын
@@cynthiac219 absolutely
@user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap
@user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap 5 ай бұрын
Agree. Take care of myself
@legaleagle4947
@legaleagle4947 5 ай бұрын
@@user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap you must, because if you don’t who will? 🤷🏼‍♀️🙏
@user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap
@user-o6ue45hz8nr2ap 5 ай бұрын
@@legaleagle4947 yes. I know. Thank you
@BL-tq5px
@BL-tq5px Жыл бұрын
As a victim, the silent treatment is probably one of the worst tactics a person can use. Nobody can read another persons mind and yet it seems like they expect you to and may throw a tantrum if you get the answer wrong 🙄
@dp27148
@dp27148 Жыл бұрын
yep.
@francesbernard2445
@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the narcissist expects an answer from us without them ever being the one to ask us the question they want an answer for in any way shape or form other than through their own body language towards us. Saying that is robbing the cradle now as a result of how often narcissists get away with what they do has become only a euphemism for getting away with doing that sort of thing.
@dark7angel456
@dark7angel456 11 ай бұрын
Some ppl read my mind and I hate it
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 9 ай бұрын
the narc only knows one mind and poorly at that, but its their own.
@mochachaiguy
@mochachaiguy Ай бұрын
💯💯💯
@anthonywilcox3056
@anthonywilcox3056 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I greatly appreciate your work. I am an adult child of a grandiose narcissist who is learning that i married a covert narcissist. You’ve been instrumental in helping me help myself and my children while we navigate this. God bless you.
@DoctorRamani
@DoctorRamani Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you've found my videos helpful. Thank you for supporting my channel!
@kaizen_5091
@kaizen_5091 Жыл бұрын
The worst part of this is, in my experience, when I make a conscious effort to communicate in a healthy respectful way, I feel like I'm being punished for it. It took me a long time, after becoming an adult, to realize that I wasn't a failure at communicating. Fact is that I was being forced to interact with an unhealthy form of communication by their cruel tactics growing up and gaslighted into thinking that I was the failure at communicating and consequently to blame for any escalation to a disagreement.
@francesbernard2445
@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын
It is true that whenever the narcissist in their narcissistic patterns sees someone through their high levels of enthusiastic communications only making only a minor error which they are often correcting soon enough instead of allowing them to be only human they add it to their record keeping to use later when trying to punish us for not doing exact as they told us or when not doing exact what they want us to do no matter what our own wishes are.
@kaizen_5091
@kaizen_5091 Жыл бұрын
@@francesbernard2445 It is indeed a situation of 'you're damned if you do and your damned if you don't'.
@diningroomfish5470
@diningroomfish5470 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, my wife does nothing but lies, when you try to have a real conversation about what is really going on, she turns it around and makes me feel like everything is my fault, silent treatment until I give in,every time you give in, she just feels like yes this is the way to keep me down
@joliesai3187
@joliesai3187 4 ай бұрын
Jesus H Christ. Screw it if my ex sees. This thread is down to a T of what I experienced about two weeks prior. There were three instances of him using the silent treatment on me, and guess who felt it only right to initiate repair? Me. Always ME. Always. (I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. I believe in growth, and that cannot be done without personal accountability.) My Point: I can relate, and it is validating and gives me a sense of relief to see, know, and understand that there is a community of fellow survivors. And that there is a name to what we have experienced. And that the experience is real.
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
Uau. Same here. Was told tthat I don't know how to communicate... but only later I realised the oerdon did not want anything to be communicated - all healthy and transparent communication was sabotaged by them in different covert ways!
@schrysanthemum
@schrysanthemum Жыл бұрын
I chose to go no contact with a narcissist, they then continued to text me and ask "why are you giving me the silent treatment?" They acted as if I was punishing them. I just wanted to get away from their abusive behavior
@amaderbotya
@amaderbotya 9 ай бұрын
Did you tell them why you chose to be silent before doing it?! Otherwise, you’re doing the same?!
@sometimesidreamaboutcheese
@sometimesidreamaboutcheese 6 ай бұрын
More of that, if you telling them about reasons and then goes silent or even blocking them, without communucation from the other side, without conversation about.. so this is pretty similar to a narcissistic discard. Be careful to not catch these simptoms.
@whimsicalwishes1
@whimsicalwishes1 5 ай бұрын
They would give me the silent treatment in response to perceived, even though each time I took accountability, apologized and changed my behavior. and it made me really uncomfortable. I told them how much that hurt me and all they would do was gaslight me. then they got really angry when I tried to request boundaries around emotional intimacy and changed my work schedule to not be around them 👍🏾😃 They just can't handle a "no" and they can't handle taking responsibility for their own actions
@irishelinac
@irishelinac Жыл бұрын
Oh well, my father used the silent treatment on me all my childhood, for the sole purpose of making me feel insignificant (my mother just generally ignored me but would at least reply to me). No wonder I attracted the most awful people later in life as I felt worthless, but now I'm healing and gaining myself back ! Thanks to Dr Ramani for her awesome work :)
@kevmt9056
@kevmt9056 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry your parents did that. I would never ever give my child the silent treatment. The last thing I will say to my daughter before bed, or leaving the house is I Love You. We are not promised tomorrow and my last words to my child will not be negative
@stillpril8942
@stillpril8942 Жыл бұрын
The silent treatment can absolutely be a vacation
@shinobirising8196
@shinobirising8196 Жыл бұрын
That first tactic is actually heavily encouraged on social media, often under the guise of self care, and not tolerating "negativity". ANY disagreement is seen as negativity, rather than just a difference of views/opinion.
@sherriflemming3218
@sherriflemming3218 Жыл бұрын
Social media is a narcissistic platform.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 9 ай бұрын
No-one can disagree with a narc. Their mind IS GOD and TRUTH and nothing else exists. It's scary really. The first narc I had the misfortune of befriending for decades literally thought of himself as god. The narc will never humble themselves and repent anything as there is only their eternal now in which they were and always will be right. Even my current narc issue after trying to kinda kidnap me against my will in a way through fraud said after I still didn't respond after leaving to save my job, "I expected this ghosting treatment from you but know communication is important." If he expected this, then wtf was his plan? And how does he claim qualifications to be some life coach/slave driver? That's was when I realized, he was a narc as well. I had realized that not a single desire of mine had been met just as it was no matter how small. He kept making demands on me while saying he was trying to no disturb my work. Such that if I refuse, I look like an asshole because im in his house. Right before he said something Saturday on my day off, "come when every ur ready, im working on you having a nice yard to hang out in buddy." Already know where that's going. I need to write code to keep my job not landscape his yard as I must marshal my time and attention in ways a pot head real estate agent will never understand as "I know its like piece work ive done a lot of it.". He has no friends and the only people who can tolerate his company are those with legal /professional obligations to do so. Ask the Lake of the Ozark board of realtors who kicked him out for violence and aggression. Pretty sure he is the problem not me, so he is getting ghosted as much as it hurts.
@bocobocoboco
@bocobocoboco Жыл бұрын
I got the silent treatment for 6 months before I left my marriage last year. If she needed help with something there would be a brief pause but the silent treatment would start again straight afterwards. She was very upset and surprised when I left. Loss of control is very upsetting for a narcissistic person.
@vst9266
@vst9266 Жыл бұрын
I do the same with a colleague from work.
@iasked-cl8mz
@iasked-cl8mz Жыл бұрын
This video has come at the right time, thank you, Doc!! Recently I'm being gaslit by a few family members, especially my older brother who keeps trying to convince me I'm insane, just because I refuse to speak to my abusive narc father, now take boundaries seriously, and also I refuse to endure the generational abuse. I'm being told things such as: "Are you normal? Do you need your medication?", "Stop overreacting and being defensive, be nice to your mother she gave you birth", "talk to your father he'll feel better", and so on. I also realized that I ended up making a huge mistake and allowing my emotions to speak for me, expecting these sick people to understand but oh boy I was wrong. Each and every emotion of mine has been weaponised and used against me. I feel absolutely angry and frustrated these days, have multiple panic attacks. It is so difficult to be young and live in a family full of narcissists and enablers. It's draining, so much to the point where it can drive a sane person to feel insane and even at times, suicidal.
@alwayslearningthankyou2708
@alwayslearningthankyou2708 Жыл бұрын
You're spot on! Now that you know the sick dynamics at play in your family know that you can't change it. Move on to a better life outside of their perpetually sick mind games. Take and keep your power back from these emotional vampires. Find and honor your true self and pursue your dreams, not theirs. It may require moving some distance away but you will free and at peace.
@jenniferdobransky5240
@jenniferdobransky5240 Жыл бұрын
You are not alone and Dr. Ramani has been such an educator and professional who has helped me navigate a family full of narcissistic individuals who don't take a break!
@msaijay1153
@msaijay1153 Жыл бұрын
You didn't choose to be born, you don't owe anything to your mother because she birthed you. Totally ridiculous! Also, my guess is that, in your family of origin, you are not normal. I think that's a good thing.
@mercedessanchez6844
@mercedessanchez6844 Жыл бұрын
Hang on to your true self. Sending you hugs,
@iasked-cl8mz
@iasked-cl8mz Жыл бұрын
@@alwayslearningthankyou2708 That is what I'm trying my best to do. Only now am I understanding the severity of this situation, all of them are messed up deeply. They keep telling me: "Oh why don't you open up and tell us everything, you don't have anybody else in life except your family" only to time and time again use my truth and my emotions against me and gaslight + belittle me. They say: "You are supposed to forgive your family, there are worse things that take place in the families of other people and yet they forgive and forget", all while they continue to emotionally and psychologically abuse me. The projections are the worst, I've been called selfish, a burden, even been told "jokes" by my older brother that involved being hit or being called straight up ugly for my appearance by him, but the moment he is confronted he turns it around and says "Oh its just a joke!". These people are sickening. Moving isn't an option as of right now, but every single day I'm developing a new symptom physically that concerns me. I cannot even speak of my medical needs without being blamed for illnesses THEY are responsible for. They control so many areas of my life and violate my boundaries. I'm only 17 but I'm trying my best to break this generational curse, so that my child doesn't have to suffer.
@CharlesCookRodbourn
@CharlesCookRodbourn Жыл бұрын
"And tantrums are for children" geeze... that ... really hits so many actions they do
@stt6794
@stt6794 Жыл бұрын
37 years with a covert narcissistic closet alcoholic. In the tail end of a two year divorce now. A few years ago he told me "When you try to talk to me about stuff, I just go outside and smoke some pot". Ok, so now let's add drug addiction to the issues. Thanks Dr Ramani for helping me slowly start to understand what I've been dealing with most of my adult life. Wish I had understood narcissism 40 years ago. 👍
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
Better to learn about it late than never to learn about it at all. Took me 38 years to see and accept I was in a relationship with a narc. Had to forgive myself for being so blind. He said “ we’ve been together so long we need to stay and take care of each other.” I said “no thanks. Can’t give you another day out if my life. You took enough.” Moved him out. Namaste….
@Dee_Cooks
@Dee_Cooks Жыл бұрын
I was dating this guy for 6 months. He said “ I will walk away if you ask me if we are exclusive”. He wanted all the benefits of a relationship but would never label it. When I called his bullshit, he ghosted me. It was awful! I am glad I got out sooner
@debmanrique6466
@debmanrique6466 Жыл бұрын
It's never too late to start really living ❤
@idid138
@idid138 11 ай бұрын
I don't think anyone understood narcissism 40 years ago. I didn't know what it was 18 years ago when a counselor told me the term & it's been quite the education, still learning. I'd taken a break & ignored it grey rocking for the last years to get by. Now he's pushing boundaries and here I am again, learning more.
@idid138
@idid138 11 ай бұрын
​@@Dee_Cooksyeah be glad
@nmc1859
@nmc1859 Жыл бұрын
I've been feeling heavy, depressed because I'm finally understanding how sick my husband of 18 years is..and that it won't change. I used to hope and believe it could before. I now feel so bad because the person i agreed to spend my life with ..is emotionally like a child.
@delicate.mascara
@delicate.mascara Жыл бұрын
Silent treatment combined with microaggressive behavior (for example, pushing the front seat way back to give me no leg room in the back, or breaking something of mine and pretending it was an accident, or bumping into me and pretending it was an accident, or disappearing when it's time for us to set up for an event)
@essexmagpie3074
@essexmagpie3074 Жыл бұрын
Careful, if you're still in the relationship. 'Accidentally' hurting you can be a sign that the behaviour is transitioning from emotional abuse to full on physical abuse. That's what I read in the book 'the verbally abusive relationship'. Take care
@delicate.mascara
@delicate.mascara Жыл бұрын
@Essex Magpie in my case it was a friendship and professional partnership. No contact for 3 years, luckily. but I have no doubts the fights have gotten physical between them and their spouse.
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
Glad you got out this abusive relationship.
@texavery5695
@texavery5695 5 ай бұрын
Had a coworker like this. Would try to spill water on me, use his body to block doorways so I had to stop , stand aside and let them push past me, while splashing water out of buckets onto my pants and into my shoes ( despite the fact the doorway is wide enough for a horse to turn a 360 in.) I was expected to take him places in my personal vehicle for FREE anytime I went anywhere. He tried to have me fired for leaning a pitchfork the wrong angle.....the boss fired me because I was making trouble. I was making him upset. I wasn't being a team player. I've never been so happy to be fired.
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
Yeeeees: breaking my nice things 'by accident'.
@JazzyG1505
@JazzyG1505 Жыл бұрын
Word Salad... that sounds exactly like many conversations we've had. I was under the impression that it was me not being able to keep on topic but when others heard him talking to me (via recording), others agreed that it made no sense to them either. I was so relieved but then started to worry about his mental health.
@robig.5028
@robig.5028 Жыл бұрын
Nope,they know exactly what they are doing.they are trying to make you question yourself.😠
@sherriflemming3218
@sherriflemming3218 Жыл бұрын
@@robig.5028 Agree. They're aware.
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
They know what they are doing: they don't 'word salad' to others. 😂
@mioara8169
@mioara8169 Жыл бұрын
I still remember my mother's silent treatment , in the beginning was hurting me but to be honest at one moment I was happier to be treated silent than to be verbally aggressed and insulted and controlled by her. I considered those periods of time a good time to get on track and to restore myself, to rest . But sometimes , as she felt that , she was often the one to cut the silence and bite and bite and bite until I lost my cool and react , so I was feeling bad again , and sudden. It's disturbing to live in this way. And exhausting.
@sharonericson480
@sharonericson480 Жыл бұрын
I am so thankful for you, Dr. Ramani. The first silent treatment, I still vividly remember, is my mother refusing to answer my questions. She was doing dishes, and I was begging, tugging at her apron, begging her to talk to me. I finally ran to my father, in tears, "There's something wrong with Mommy, she can't hear me!" He was intimidated by her, and instead of helping me, he explained, "She's upset with you because you do not want to go to cathechism. It was a lifetime of her silence. If I sat down at the dinnertable, and she had unexpressed frustration or anger, it was directed at me. She'd pick up her plate and take her food to her room. My father would blame me for "making your mother leave the room". When I reached adulthood, she refused to speak to me for 25 years, then died. I felt nothing but relief.
@melvanrooyen1165
@melvanrooyen1165 Жыл бұрын
What a sick person she was. I am so sorry she abused you emotionally as a child. Much love.
@allaboutthepause3000
@allaboutthepause3000 10 ай бұрын
Sorry your dad was her enabler
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
OMG, I am sorry. 🤗 Now you know : you were/are ok. This was wrong.
@tsuba666
@tsuba666 Жыл бұрын
Important things said in this video I can't stress enough (the whole video is full of important things, I'm just emphasizing some) : - stopping talking to someone/cutting someone out doesn't make a narcissist of you - getting angry, and even blowing up a little doesn't make a narcisist of you It's all in the proportion of the reaction, and what triggered it. If someone hurt you or wronged you, you have the right to be angry and stop talking to them. They know what they did, you told them, and they don't want to work it out. Fine. Get lost. Narcissist won't tell you what you allegedly did wrong, they'll let you guess. The silence treatment comes out of the blue. You really can't say what triggered it. Same with the rage. Someone can get angry, that's a natural emotion. But narcs will get triggered for absolutly nothing. And go on and on and on for sometimes hours.
@kevmt9056
@kevmt9056 Жыл бұрын
They can't stand to be told "no" either.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 9 ай бұрын
nah its more like you tell people something for months and they say they hear it so they can get back to their plan, all the while ignoring what they calim to have understood. Now he seems to think I owe him communication to get my things back. I don't owe him anything else.
@jhoughjr1
@jhoughjr1 9 ай бұрын
​@@kevmt9056 Of course. they are incapable of parsing it. They think, if I just wait and ask again in an indirect way I can trick them into agreeing to what they already said no to.
@donnawomack4223
@donnawomack4223 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Ramani. I finally understand why it killed me inside when my narcissist husband gave me the silent treatment.
@amjPeace
@amjPeace Жыл бұрын
Yes!!! Re the silent treatment, if you learn to ignore it, enjoy it in a way, they will eventually cave because they will know that you are winning. They can't stand that. And yes, they may stop using that particular tactic, but rest assured they will reach into their bag of tricks and find another way to try on you. Stonewalling is pretty painful because it makes you feel rejected like you do not matter. It makes you realize just how one-sided the relationship is. It can backfire for them when they realize that you have stopped caring about their opinion since you no longer ask for it.
@aida087
@aida087 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing Dr. Ramani. I'm currently going through this with a few people I know and I've learned to just stop dealing with them. I've tried working out arguments by having adult conversations and when I realized that they just want to "keep arguing" because that's a form of comtrolling "your" emotions, now I walk away to collect my emotions and get some grounding. I've learned to stop arguing, and made a point to them that I no longer argue and, so I no longer deal with them. Narcissists hate when they can't control your emotions. But when it comes down to it, I'd rather get the silent treatment vs continually dealing with their chaos.... I choose my peace and I pray for theirs.
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
I’ve dealt with both. I learned to just keep quiet and not take the bait with the narc who like to argue. It takes 2 to argue. He cannot argue with himself. The other one who gave the listen treatment drove me nuts. Then I got used to it and I would just ignore him and stopped asking him what was wrong. He had a pattern, every few weeks I got the silent treatment. He finally discarded me. I didn’t know he was a narcissist while I was dealing with it. I used to tell him he was passive aggressive. Many years later, I learned that he was a narcissist.
@kathrynhayes1799
@kathrynhayes1799 Жыл бұрын
I think sometimes the silent treatment is combined with the secretiveness of many narcissists- they are making their plans for the discard in their silence. Also gaslighting can be involved, as in saying, “Well, I don’t speak to you in the morning until you speak to me because I never know what mood you’re in”. (and where do we go from there?). It can get very convoluted. I’m three weeks out from this roller coaster ride (no contact-I’m done), and still amazed at what it’s shown me. A lesson I had to learn. Think this time I passed. Won’t need to do it again. 😎
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
❤❤❤💪💪💪
@juliehickman2880
@juliehickman2880 Жыл бұрын
BIngo! Hindsight is 20/20. I was always told that I acted like a child. Turns outs, all of these communication tactics confused the hell out of me!
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 Жыл бұрын
Im adept at the silent treatment. And I'd rather be left alone because I'm introverted. My mother stopped putting me on timeout because i would be enjoying myself in the corner. So when I got older and I married a narc and she did the silent treatment, she found that I would enjoy being left alone and she wouldnt get supply. So she changed her tactics.
@clintonnagy1662
@clintonnagy1662 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha...OMG. I can relate. My Mom put me in my room alone for hours by myself and it never worked. I loved being by myself. She eventually found other ways to punish me. LOL
@barefootincactus
@barefootincactus Жыл бұрын
No contact has been so wonderful for my daily peace of mind. Thank you for doing these videos.
@Low_Carb_Or_DIEt
@Low_Carb_Or_DIEt Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH for clarifying that going NO CONTACT is not a part of this. I was emotionally abused and coerced by someone who, after my multiple attempts to correct the situation, refused to be respectful, and I had to finally just go NO CONTACT. After a month of breathing free with no contact from her, she sent me a box of things that I had sent her over the years along with a scathing letter, saying that my heart is black LOL. I just tossed everything along with the letter, as it was confirmation that she didn't want to be respectful or caring.
@Kitoni31
@Kitoni31 Жыл бұрын
If the good doctor and team would find the time, I would love to see, listen a deeper dive into a narcississm in medicine, in doctors, nurses etc. Because there are a lot of cases where doctors for instance gaslight a patient for their grievances. "It's all in your head, you are just stressed, you are imagening things, don't manifest illnesses etc." I really think this issue needs to be adressed, because medicine often misses underlying diagnoses and the patients are left to suffer😢. Thank you in advance. 🧡
@honeydutch97
@honeydutch97 Жыл бұрын
As someone that has career working 25 years in the medical field. I 100% agree with you! This god like complex some of these MD’s have and expect to be treated as such! Im so over it I am considering a career change. It’s such a fake, toxic, kiss ass environment im over it! And don’t even get me started on the sexual harassment I have experienced over the years from most of these MD’s that are married mind you! The narcissism and god like complex have them convinced they are untouchable and above all.
@francesbernard2445
@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын
Would have or instead a lot of good doctors who do not over prescribe only cannot do a deeper dive at all about that topic without putting their medical practice at risk while having to make referrals for their patients sometimes when they are having to cope with the odd narcissistic only specialist in their smaller former on the frontier not all that long ago in the city where they are practicing in too?
@victorial8764
@victorial8764 Жыл бұрын
Been there with some cardiologist
@texavery5695
@texavery5695 5 ай бұрын
Narcs only work jobs where they have control over others. This should be addressed
@Benjaminleo815
@Benjaminleo815 3 ай бұрын
The person gaslighting and emotionally abusive in my life is a retired physician. No one challenges them, EVER.
@izawaniek2568
@izawaniek2568 11 ай бұрын
Getting out of those abusive and crazy making relationships is vital If you want to live a peaceful and normal life.
@brittvaughn9447
@brittvaughn9447 7 ай бұрын
Word salad? No no no no no, narcissists have the best words. They know all the words, the very best words. So smart, people go up to them crying. They say, "sir, your words were so beautiful. I'm a miner, haven't cried in 69 years, but your words made me cry." The best words.
@Imiike7
@Imiike7 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@susanbradleyskov9179
@susanbradleyskov9179 27 күн бұрын
You got it! ❤
@susanzimmer1776
@susanzimmer1776 21 күн бұрын
😂😂😂I agree totally!!!! They start to look like assholes!! Unless they stay in their "circle of trust, meaning his group of 4 friends at the country club! He feels safe there with his younger girlfriend,( his new supply) that I know that it was going on, before the divorce, although he denied everything for 45 YEARS and marriage! CLASSIC behavior!
@danakennis5398
@danakennis5398 Жыл бұрын
I had to stay silent when I was with my ex, because anything I said would be used against me, cruelly. The times I did try to talk things out with him, it almost always made it worse. So, I felt awful staying silent at times, but it always just felt like the best way to keep myself a bit safer when he was angry.
@Hatbox948
@Hatbox948 Ай бұрын
That's how my experience was too. Every single thing I'd say got twisted.
@meghanmengel437
@meghanmengel437 6 ай бұрын
They will silent treatment you in your own home. They won’t talk to you but they will be super nice to the kids in front of you. Its so awkward for everyone
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
🎯🎯
@LooxYourTube
@LooxYourTube 7 күн бұрын
Yes, that's true. I know this. When my narc wife use silent treatment on me, she is nice to our son. When she's not upset to me for any reason, she starts yelling on the child for a little offense.
@CBrown86
@CBrown86 Жыл бұрын
I used to frequently use the silent treatment when I was in a toxic relationship. When they flip, there’s no having a normal conversation. Its just insults, blame shifting, threats, straight up lies, changing history, making accusations, and changing what you said in order to use it as a reason to keep raging. Imo it was easier to just get away from it by going into another room or shutting off my phone.
@katherinealba6768
@katherinealba6768 Жыл бұрын
Avoidance
@worldwidechubbyguy2.018
@worldwidechubbyguy2.018 Жыл бұрын
very timely as my partner just gave me the silent treatment, after i said my non-negotiables, he hit me with "i miss you" lmao, that is after unfriending me from all social media and not talking to me. i told him if he needs space then i need space too.i realized there are so many fishes in the ocean and that i am worthy of someone better, someone secure and someone i can connect to deeply
@CrystalBrightz
@CrystalBrightz Жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani, thank you. When I'm tempted to respond to the narcissist, I just watch your videos, and I'm reminded of exactly why I shouldn't. And that word salad thing is scary, because that's what I've been dealing with. It seems- for now, at least- the less I feed him supply, the crazier the narcissist's rants become. It's like he's throwing anything at the wall to see if something will get my reaction.
@samanthamansi1184
@samanthamansi1184 Жыл бұрын
The word salad is evil for sure
@rudyrhea5
@rudyrhea5 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear more about silence. Coming out of a nonstop, narcissistic relationship, silence was a place for me to create boundaries for myself and protect myself from the chaos and manipulation and confusion of conversations with my narcissistic spouse. I needed to avoid those conversations because they were incredibly toxic and confusing. I was trying to decide if I was staying or leaving and needed to disengage from those confusing conversations. I’d like to hear some discussion about the difference between safe silence and narcissistic silence.
@ripley2164
@ripley2164 Жыл бұрын
That's my question too. How do we differentiate between "no contact" and "silent treatment"?
@noelletrent5649
@noelletrent5649 11 ай бұрын
@@ripley2164my question as well. Safe Silence would be helpful.
@smrsocmoneyracing2552
@smrsocmoneyracing2552 Жыл бұрын
I agree. What's the difference between silent treatment and not engaging.
@dhare07
@dhare07 10 ай бұрын
Toxic friendship have been my issue lately. Not seeing the signs because I wasn't aware of my own cognitive disorder from multiple childhood and adult traumas. Now I'm listening very closely at what people say and the vibe I get from them. I'm usually a happy person and all it takes is kindness to win me over. That's all in the past. I'm more attentive and alert negate in healing and refuse to allow anyone to destroy what's work so hard to rebuild within myself. I'm always doing the self check. I'm I hurting others with my ideas, actions or words and if so in what way? This way I can stop doing those things because I did care about how I make others feel and if they don't care about my feelings I'm out. Crossing my boundaries and anything that isn't aligned with my overall peace of mind. Your videos are very helpful because I can see where the signs come in and I can navigate my emotions accordingly and usually with minimal conflict. So thank you for gifting us with this very important info. I can see, feel, and know where I need healing and when it's actually happening or I've succeeded at overcoming a particular trigger. You're a gift and a blessing to all who come across your channel. New sub❤❤❤
@loveit7484
@loveit7484 Жыл бұрын
This last year I was slowly rebuilding a relationship with a family member after many, many, many years. Out of no where began the silent treatment. Gotta say, I was stunned. They seemed they had grown out of this. After a few attempts to make contact ( maybe something had happened, they were going through) I finally told them: " I love you but I cannot chase you down." It still hurts. However, I must go on with my life and thrive. With or without them. Great breakdown & explination of this behavior. Ty!
@sudhakhristmukti1930
@sudhakhristmukti1930 Жыл бұрын
They do NOT change ..from the inside!! The toxic do not WANT TO ...only pretend to unfortunately...!!
@naspa2790
@naspa2790 Жыл бұрын
Im guessing you can’t rebuild a relationship with a narc. A narc is a narc. An alligator is an alligator. A spider is a spider. And so it goes…..
@sherriflemming3218
@sherriflemming3218 Жыл бұрын
Adults choose their family.
@goldenmilktea4992
@goldenmilktea4992 Жыл бұрын
This is my dad to a "T". He completely ignores my existence unless he needs help, or wants to rehash old arguments. He also likes to take bad about me to people as I'm not in the same room with him. He never wants to have a vulnerable conversation. He just want me to go back to my old role of being a people-pleaser. I'm not a good daughter in his eyes because I fit the ideal image he wants. All he does know is stomp around the house in silence to let everyone in the house know that he's angry.
@tinazapata1379
@tinazapata1379 Жыл бұрын
My mother was the queen of the silent treatment. It was devastating as a young child. When people know this they use it against me knowing how hurtful it is. Tells me alot about a person when they are quick to hurt me with something so painful.
@Lefty19
@Lefty19 Жыл бұрын
Yes. I’m saving this video. My ex would say, “I’m not even going to talk, I always say the wrong thing, so what’s the point?? I’m trying to say something but a different thing comes out, you don’t understand me, so there’s no point in talking”. I’d tell him he just needs to be careful on what he says, and to accept that he’s not always right, and he’d say, “you act like you’re always right, and I’m wrong, so you can say whatever, but I can’t? Wow, you always want everything your way that’s why we never get anywhere”. I’d just give up at that point, because it’s stressful to always be a therapist to someone who doesn’t want to work on themselves and doesnt see himself as a problem, rather a victim, and I’m his abuser. The silent treatment was used when I’d make him use his money for bills rather than weed. We both worked, we agreed what he’d pay, and I’d pay, (mind you, the bills were under my name since he moved in with me). When the bills were due, he would say he rather pay the bills late so he can buy his weed, I’d tell him no, he needs to pay the bills, kuz our kids are not going without light and a roof over their head. He’d say he’ll just pay the late fees, no biggie and I’d say no, either you pay the bills or we’re done, I’m not going to control how you use your money, but if you’re not going to do what me and you agreed on, we’re done. He ended up paying the bills, and slept on the couch, messaged women, get rides from other people to and from work instead of me like he usually did, he’d get his mom and sister to make him dinner instead of eating what I made at home. It was like we were roommates, all because I held him responsible. I wouldn’t apologize, I’d just give him a taste of his own medicine, so I wouldn’t wash his clothes, or do his dishes when he’d make something. He eventually yelled at me for being childish, petty, a bad girlfriend, and immature. The irony. I’d explain how he’s ignoring me and acting like my roommate, so I’ll treat him like one, and he’d start yelling about how I’m controlling, I’m so strict, I’m financially abusing him, I want everything my way, etc, etc. sometimes I would just apologize and give him what he wants, but it would end BADLY. He’d end up leaving me before the late fees of those unpaid bills would come, and I’d have to end up paying the bills, AND late fees. So when I’d bring those examples up to him, he’d say, “that’s was SO long ago!!! Idk how your mind thinks, but you need to let go of the past and move on, you’re always bringing up old sh*t, let’s talk about now, NOW, how recently have I done that???”. My response would be, “well I’m just mentioning it because those are repeated offenses, I’m going by patterns not your words, I’m not going to put me and my kids in an unstable situation, so either pay the bills, or we’re done”. He’d say, okay, since you’re saying I always bail, then what’s the point of proving you wrong, fine, I won’t pay them, pay them yourself, I’m out. So those “past” behaviors would be CURRENT behaviors, and if I’d bring THOSE up, he’d say I made him do those bad things so it’s my fault why he wasn’t responsible. I’d feel horrible, like I shouldn’t have doubted him, I shouldn’t think of the past, etc etc. but now i know, that man is a narcissist. Can’t no one change my mind on that. Now coparenting with him, is harder than it was when we were together. He withholds child support, he puts my kids through verbal altercation situations, smokes with them in the same room/car, leaves our kids with toxic people when he wants to go out, etc. He ignores my texts and calls when I’m trying to get him to talk about something important like child support, his missed visitations, him hurting our kids, or his family hurting our kids. It’s HARD. Court is an option, but I fear him lying and trying to manipulate the judge about my character. He’s so good at acting like a victim and making me look like a bitter, angry ex. He did it before, and the judge scolded me, i didn’t speak up for myself, I could’ve defended myself but for some reason I just stayed quiet, i couldn’t speak, and the judge ended it by congratulating him for being such a good dad. I was confused, mad at myself, and I never went to court again.
@maryl8753
@maryl8753 Жыл бұрын
I would like to differentiate the " silent treatment" of a narc from the situation where you have tried to talk to people/ get them to see what's important to you but their disrespect etc is so bad that you have to walk away and stay silent for your own mental health. So the silence is to protect yourself until you can get the energy to re engage with them/ build up your self respect and go through that cycle again
@christineebbinghaus9433
@christineebbinghaus9433 Жыл бұрын
I came here to say this!!
@TressedOut
@TressedOut Жыл бұрын
@@christineebbinghaus9433 I wanted to say the same!
@SoupedUpCustoms
@SoupedUpCustoms Жыл бұрын
Silent treatment is my "weapon" as well. As i'd rather expend my energy to something productive as well.
@claritybadb
@claritybadb Жыл бұрын
You never fail to have unbelievable timing with these topics in my life. 😮 I am dealing with the silent treatment from a "friend". She's also begun a smear campaign, including talking about me in unnamed social media comments with mutual friends. I'm proud to say though, after the catalyst- telling her directly, privately, that I felt hurt by her attitude during a discussion about money- at which she blamed me and ranted a full 2 paragraphs about how "after all I've done for you" guilt trip garbage, I recognized her silently leaving our group chats as the silent treatment. I said to myself, 'oh, she expects me to dm and beg her not to go!" 😂 hold your breath, sweetie. Thank you so much for your work!!!
@mrwaterghost
@mrwaterghost Жыл бұрын
I've studied psychology for years. NLP. Madenes, whose psychodynamic theories are useful, and others. Freud and Jung, obviously. The love languages stuff. The brilliant John Gottman. All great stuff. But no one comes close to Dr. Ramini. She's a genius. No one comes close.
@shobhnakapoor1399
@shobhnakapoor1399 8 ай бұрын
Silent treatment and ghosting by a narcissist = the garbage taking itself out😊
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
😂
@lindiwemncube9369
@lindiwemncube9369 4 күн бұрын
😊
@nickb8976
@nickb8976 Жыл бұрын
The world salad explanation 35:56 is frighteningly accurate. I found it was used whenever we were having a serious conversation. About anything. Even something like did you take the bins out? They response would be 'did you?' It made every day increasingly impossible to just do normal adult resonsible things like, communicate, plan, shop, clean etc. It was so incredibly strange. She would deliberately talk about shallow lighthearted things all the time. 'Look at those puppys, beautiful weather, its so cold, I'm so tired.' Of course these things arent bad at all but it was the same thing every day hundreds of times throughout the day. I came to understand this was a deliberate avoidance tactic and way to control the relationship. Anything I would say that was of substance would be 'drama.' Like 'hey you said you'd organise dinner but you haven’t and I've been at work all day.' 'I'm not your maid' 'I know this but you clearly said you had dinner organised.' It was like living with a six year old.
@irenahabe2855
@irenahabe2855 28 күн бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 Been there buffled by that same s#@! of 'communication'.
@Literallyarealhuman
@Literallyarealhuman Жыл бұрын
The silent treatment, and not responding in more than one word, could also be somebody protecting themselves from being bated constantly
@MissOne
@MissOne 7 күн бұрын
Grey rocking
@yesitislikethat
@yesitislikethat Жыл бұрын
Out of the 4, word salad makes me the most frustrated. If I can avoid a narc, I do it. If I’m communicating with one, it’s because I absolutely have to. When I’m forced to do so, having that jumbled up, sidetracking, all over the place, exchange, makes my blood pressure rise. I *hate* word salad.
@faeries_Wear_Boots
@faeries_Wear_Boots Жыл бұрын
Doctor Ramani, here is a little somthing to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video. I honestly feel this video saved my life!
@DoctorRamani
@DoctorRamani Жыл бұрын
Thank YOU for supporting the channel!
@wendybroughton9769
@wendybroughton9769 11 ай бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS WORD SALAD EXAMPLE OF THEIR ARGUING!!! It makes it so hard to explain arguments to friends when seeking support. They won’t stop until they see they’ve broken you, broken your will - made you cry. Logic need not apply. You Can’t EVER make them satisfied with anything you say back. It brings them satisfaction and I truly belief a release of endorphins or serotonin in them when they see you break/cry. They need their drug fix. It’s subtle but you can see their eyes soften and go from looking glaring/angry to satisfied. It burns off your emotional feelers and you survive by separating yourself and walking around like a robot just to survive.
@joshuaanzalone2060
@joshuaanzalone2060 Жыл бұрын
Silent treatment is a form of emotional abuse because narcs know they have been caught and called out and they can't handle it so they go silent
@laura-2
@laura-2 Жыл бұрын
Every single manipulation tactic all but implies the use of the lying tactic and the gaslighting tactic. I actually dislike it a little calling out gaslighting as a manipulation tactic as it's actually an effect. All manipulation tactics will contribute to it by nature of what manipulation is. Some tactics however certainly take the gaslighting effect to a whole different level. Blatant lies that are so bad they insult your intelligence is one of them. That kind of shit will make you feel like you are in the twilight zone after a while. Here are some of the reasons they do this: To test their control. To feel superior and/or entertainment. This proves to themselves how much control they have over you. In the end, you will give up and you will not leave (trauma bonded). In the process of getting to the giving up stage, you will go through some pretty nasty emotional states ending in massive amounts of cognitive dissonance to swallow all of that. Cognitive dissonance is a trauma defense mechanism where you essentially lie to yourself in various ways so that you can bring back some semblance of equilibrium to the insanity you find yourself unable to escape from. As part of the ‘backing you into an emotional corner’ tactic. This is a tactic where you are manipulated into being emotionally unstable inevitably leading to you losing your shit. This gives the narcissist a big dopamine burst, they feel powerful and superior having so deftly controlled you and manipulated into this emotional state. To finish the little game they play, they make sure to point out how unhinged and unstable you are and suggest that perhaps you need help or medication. Of course, you will internalize all that shame and guilt and the million other raging emotions they have created and swallow all that essentially allowing them to scapegoat their blame and accountability onto you. Bring on some more cognitive dissonance and gaslighting effects. To condition you to expect less respect, and ultimately put up with more abuse. You will tire of the inevitable circular argument trying to convince the narcissist of the blatantly obvious lie and eventually find yourself challenging them less and less as you subconsciously accept the fact that if you do it will just make your life and emotional state more miserable and you will be denied the satisfaction of any kind of ‘win’ even if it is easy to disprove. This is part of the domination process and makes sure all the power in the relationship ends up with them by the end. To turn your mind to mush as the gaslighting effect takes hold more and more over time. This makes you even easier to control. Many times while easy to disprove it requires some kind of concession of some obvious truth that the narcissist can just doggedly refuse to agree with or remember (‘the intentional forgetting’ tactic and the ‘feigned confusion or ignorance’ tactics are often employed for this). So, in fact, it is not so easy to prove when the narcissist refuses to correctly remember what happened 10 min ago or accept sound logic or reasoning. You will just turn blue in the face trying. Of course, in some cases it is indisputable. A phone log or something. My experience is when this kind of stuff happens it wasn’t their intention typically, although sometimes it was. But in these scenarios, you will typically get some sort of angry ‘invalidating’ tactic, with some good old ‘manufactured rage’ and ‘intimidation’ tactics to ‘put you on the defensive’ and get you more susceptible to further manipulation. Maybe something like: “Get over yourself already” followed up by some ‘blame-shifting’ tactics with some good old ‘guilt’ and ‘shame’ tactics, like “Why the hell are you spying on my phone records anyway? What kind of relationship is this? I don’t have any privacy? I don’t know if I can do this anymore! You have major jealousy issues! You need help!” You will walk away as the loser either way. There are resistance tactics that can be used but this is a very difficult tactic to deal with and it is one of their favorites. I won’t get into the counter-tactics here though. The only way to really win in a relationship with a narcissist is to leave them and go no contact. Moreover, Catching a cheating spouse might be difficult, and knowing what local laws say you can and cannot do might be even more difficult. To simplify the process, consider hiring a private investigator to do the sleuthing for you I genuinely appreciate how incredible you are and your work! Thank you for a job well done Metaspyhub@gmail. com..
@jeanie5074
@jeanie5074 Жыл бұрын
Woww 🙇‍♀️it sounds like you’re going through some serious stuff here. Your abuser sounds like a coercive-narcissist. Before he murders you, or you kill him, please, take yourself (and your young children, if any), and ESCAPE, through the nearest exit, or outlet!!
@stacyjaye6350
@stacyjaye6350 Жыл бұрын
​​@@jeanie5074 funny you should say before you kill him. I had a friend who had an abusive girlfriend. The girlfriend used to go to softball and come home drunk, and beat up my friend. One night my friend had enough, she struck girlfriend one time in the head with the bat and killed her. From the time we were 30 until we were forty-five, my friend was in Marquette prison for women in Michigan! Reactive abuse is real.👍☮️
@Alize.W
@Alize.W Жыл бұрын
How have you detailed my experience? I don't think you missed any part of it. Wow
@lisat273
@lisat273 Жыл бұрын
​@@Alize.W I felt the same!
@holeef...v2994
@holeef...v2994 Жыл бұрын
​@@lisat273i know the feeling 2 ;)
@Bleepbloopblarp
@Bleepbloopblarp Жыл бұрын
Stonewalling was such a huge issue (among many others) in my past abusive relationship. It left in me in a constant state of rumination and unable to have any closure or resolution. I would end up having the same conversations over and over and trying my best to word it in the “perfect” way so as to elicit a different response. Any response! He always would pick and choose what he would reply to and it was usually something so minuscule and unrelated, then take offence and deflect it back on me. I always ended up confused and not realising what happened until hours later. It’s torturous!
@antiantipoda
@antiantipoda Жыл бұрын
I was about thirteen, I traveled somewhere and when I came back my mom wasn't talking to me. For two months I tried to figure out why. Eventually I dug up my diary that was locked and hidden behind a drawer in my room. There it was. A pages long rant from my mother on how I could berate her to my "dear diary". She didn't let me go to a party, so I ranted and cursed at my diary. I was working up my courage to trust my diary with the abuse I was suffering. That halted everything. I had nowhere and no one to turn to. I am 46, just now I started writing up my memories from that time.
@msaijay1153
@msaijay1153 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's really tough
@antiantipoda
@antiantipoda Жыл бұрын
@@msaijay1153 Thank you for understanding. When I tell this (minus the abuse part) to people what I hear is often: Ah, moms are like that!
@suraya1224
@suraya1224 Жыл бұрын
@antiantipodi: Reminds me of an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond, where the narc manipulative mother finds her adult son's adolescent teen's diary.
@antiantipoda
@antiantipoda Жыл бұрын
@@suraya1224 I don't think I have seen any episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond, but I guess it is a comedy. Making fun of abusive mothers? Really?
@molliecondra2676
@molliecondra2676 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Rama - could you please make a video about how to manage “your” employee who is a narc? As a manger of a narcissist employee, it is a horrible and dangerous situation when you are the boss. Most people comment about how to handle having a boss who is narc, but hardly anybody speaks to the ongoing torture of having a narc employee (note - in a corporation, you can’t just fire them). Love your videos. They’ve helped me tremendously!
@mioara8169
@mioara8169 Жыл бұрын
Oh , I am in situation to have a narcissist boss and a narcissistic colleague .And they get along very well.. I don't know which one is worse.
@julaustin55
@julaustin55 Жыл бұрын
Document everything. Be explicit about your expectations. Follow up conversations with an email summary. Correct the record in public meetings when they try to create a new reality. Pay attention to who they are trauma bonding with. Do this to bide your time until you can let them go. Be aware that what you see and experience is only the tip of the iceberg.
@Kontroversial84
@Kontroversial84 Жыл бұрын
You must be a good person. Im not aware of any bosses who can't simply fabricate a reason to fire an employee.
@mioara8169
@mioara8169 Жыл бұрын
@@Kontroversial84 oh , toxic bosses absolutely can do that . They like to frame people , that makes them feel powerful.
@LooxYourTube
@LooxYourTube 7 күн бұрын
Fire him.
@pammitchell4592
@pammitchell4592 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Ramini, for explaining with such clarity this crazy-making dynamic running rampant through my own family system. It's such a toxic, no-win style. You are the voice of sanity I needed to hear today.
@burymeinbaldwin5896
@burymeinbaldwin5896 Жыл бұрын
Yes, spot on, yuuuuuup! All insanely accurate to these egotistical demons. NARC FREE IN 2023!
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
They are truly demons
@suzannebell51
@suzannebell51 Жыл бұрын
I learnt how to deal with the silent treatment in marriage by ignoring it and continuing as normal- as you said it’s a childish form of communication
@nicoleotto9316
@nicoleotto9316 Жыл бұрын
Word Salad!!! Love this part of the video. It happens to me exactly as you explained....they want to make so confused and feel guilty that you forget what you where trying to discuss or explain. Thank you so much for your videos. I am using all your tools to move on from my narcissist husband who ened our 30 year marriage now that he has a new supply.
@SRobinson-hr6me
@SRobinson-hr6me 4 ай бұрын
11:41 I LOOOOOVE THE SILENT TREATMENT. It’s my most favorite thing EVER.
@serendipity0775
@serendipity0775 Ай бұрын
It's important to talk about the difference in the silent treatment given by the narc and the silent treatment, eventually given by the victim of the narc. While the former is a weapon, esp to punish, the latter is out of exasperation and when all else has failed , including trying to reason with the narc and tell them time n agn what their behavior does to u! I hope u make a video differentiating between these so the victims who have finally adopted the silent treatment towards the narc don't have self doubt or question themselves 🙏
@issar211
@issar211 28 күн бұрын
I'm currently going through this. It's hell, and this video really helped me.
@MsSharp-es9zh
@MsSharp-es9zh Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I’m just learning that I have been with a narcissist for 34years! I now have failing health and emotional issues.. Two deceased adult children who I now know in my heart would still be alive if not for the toxic environment I allowed us to live with through his control! Thank you for opening my eyes and teaching me how to continue to move forward and how to deal with hi. Oh boy you sound just like every part of him. Bless you for helping so many!!! 💕🙏. Yep,he goes through our-son which has caused great problems for his mental health and he is now treating me poorly. They do turn them against you!!!
@JHixon-bi8ok
@JHixon-bi8ok Жыл бұрын
The silent treatment is so, so toxic. My narcissist is the king of silence. This is ( in his own mind) his “super power”. Such sick, toxic, vile behavior…refusing not only to speak, but refusing to even acknowledge that you exist. It’s a power trip for the narc. Too bad that the narcs don’t care how much damage they do to you. Toxic, so so very toxic!
@PK-nf3jg
@PK-nf3jg Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 the word salad! Ah, unfortunately, so familiar and relatable. And hearing you do it makes it so clear how it totally doesn't make sense, and is not our fault if we can't work it out... 😄
@laripope7660
@laripope7660 Жыл бұрын
I would LOVE the silent treatment!
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
It is torture when you are living in it. But I understand why you said that, especially if you are dealing with a narc who likes to argue. I dealt with both. Both are emotionally abusive
@LeahHoppes
@LeahHoppes Жыл бұрын
If only I had this to listen to as a child! Or heck, even in my 20's. At least at 50 I'm finally understanding my life.😅 Love what you're doing Dr Ramani!
@subornaroy1259
@subornaroy1259 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm in this silent treatment at this time. I saw & hear your video that make my life more and more cleaner and now I know why my problems like this. I had gone to a therapy but my therapist was not understanding the problems so I thought my problems are unsolvable and I'm all alone in this world. Thank you so much your video helps a lot.
@sallybow4098
@sallybow4098 11 ай бұрын
Using the silent treatment at the 11th hour before a romantic break, birthday, Xmas, and any other special event has me in pieces. Always at these times. Especially at these times.
@_bluephoenix_
@_bluephoenix_ 10 ай бұрын
The fact you are aware that is what is happening, puts you at an advantage! When these events come up, look forward to seeing the signs and smile knowing you *know* what game they are playing, but they don't know you know! Ignore the behaviour as though they are just being a petulant child. Watch with interest as you *dont* react and become paranoid or go overboard trying to guess and anticipate what they want. Let's face it, no matter what you do they will tell you it's not enough so do what you want for you! Start self care and stand taller. Remind yourself that you ARE smart, intuitive, and deserve to be respected. To simply state. "OK, well when you are ready to communicate your feelings like an adult, you know I'm here" and proceed to ignore them/behaviour. You can set yourself free just by seeing, knowing and playing the game back! There is nothing more liberating than realising their behaviour doesn't need to affect you! Let it go and carry on with your own needs and wants. That freedom becomes intoxicating and you want that more than trying to please and placate the narc... meanwhile they are self combusting with frustration that you aren't giving them the supply. 😂 My motto with narc is "How they act is one them, how I REACT is on me".
@kokosage
@kokosage Жыл бұрын
LOL! I lived with one of these!! They are so funny, pretentious and petty. I ignored him. He was landlord tenant and only raged when he did talk. The secret is to not want anything from them, including conversation or acknowledgement. See them for who they are and go about your business.
@rebekahgwendolyn2947
@rebekahgwendolyn2947 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Ramani, for living and breathing narcissism-and going further with research and study to share accurate knowledge with us!
@atlasbonds6095
@atlasbonds6095 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Ramani is the G.O.A.T.❤❤
@TheGypsyGirl77
@TheGypsyGirl77 10 ай бұрын
This has been what I experienced as a child teen and adult. When I was fighting cancer and when I had my baby. I always thought it was my fault I would always apologize they would turn the family on me. My self esteem was so low. This channel is helping me so much.
@aldenisouza2015
@aldenisouza2015 Жыл бұрын
2 things I wish I have learned 23 years ago, one of them is how to deal with a communal narcissist friend, throughout our friendship she started to control me and when I finally understood (thanks to Dr Romani's videos) the kind of relationship we had I managed to break it and at the moment she is doing exactly the silent communication.
@jeanie5074
@jeanie5074 Жыл бұрын
Look at it as good riddance. Don’t call that ‘friend’ back. If, and when she calls you, do-not-answer her/him, and, go seek therapy w/someone like Dr. Ramani ❤🎉
@Imarainbow7421
@Imarainbow7421 Жыл бұрын
Word Salad! The example given was the exact scenario I had experienced from 2 different partners! Now I know why I was left feeling totally bamboozled! Thankyou!
@mosaicowlstudios
@mosaicowlstudios Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Ramani for making the distinction between the classical use of the term "word salad" in psychology as compared to the way it's used when talking about narcissism. I heard it come up in some videos on narcissism, and having only had an understanding of the term "word salad" in its traditional use, I kept thinking, "That's not quite what a word salad is." I am glad to hear a trained and licensed treatment provider make the distinction and validate the use of the term for narcissism. I work at an inpatient behavioral health hospital. The most devastating personal experience I've had with word salads has been conversations with an alcoholic suffering from "wet brain" (the clinical term is slipping my mind). He would start conversations making total and complete sense, but by the third or fourth sentence it devolved into complete word salad. So sad. He was a very intelligent man. He destroyed his cognition with alcohol 😥
@beatlebarb64
@beatlebarb64 Жыл бұрын
Your wise words have helped me so much. My narcissist left after us living together for 11 years with no word or explanation - so confusing and hurtful.
@Prue-666
@Prue-666 Жыл бұрын
In my late 50's now. I appreciate your videos they've helped me understand past issues with family 👪 friends & of course boyfriend's 😉 Over the years I've realized 😳 mental health issues in society are being ignored and never addressed which leads to so many falling between the cracks.
@user-nt7fx2bw3i
@user-nt7fx2bw3i Жыл бұрын
Thank you again Dr. Ramani. I am in a relationship with my sister that has been hard to understand she has been stone walling me for years and I never knew why, this podcast has cleared up the why. This is life changing for me, it is going to be hard, as you know, but at least now I can do the work to take care of me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
@elisabeth8664
@elisabeth8664 Ай бұрын
Dr. Ramani, you wear an invisible hero cape that only some of us see and cherish :) Thank you so much for helping me understand, arm up, and protect myself from these horrible people. It has lifted so much weight off my shoulders, and made room for more positive relationships and experiences!! Life CAN be good :)
@esazonova1
@esazonova1 Жыл бұрын
I was cleaning up while listening to this video and was silently nodding to everything Dr. Ramani was saying up until the point where she started giving an example of a word salad rant. As soon as I heard it, I just laughed out loud. But it was not because it was funny, but because I have experienced so many of word salad rants like this in my childhood and throughout my adult life at the hands of my mother. It is just the most disarming weapon, because it is SOOOOO CONFUSING! You are like, what in the world? Why are you bringing up distant relatives and events of the past three decades in the conversation, when I asked you a simple question which required a yes or no answer?
@hannibalnarchy2302
@hannibalnarchy2302 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and perfect breakdown of what I'm dealing with right now. Wow.
@katierosealexander8132
@katierosealexander8132 Жыл бұрын
Yours videos have being a life line and what helped me leave a terrible relationship as finally could make sense of all these behaviours and stop being manipulated
@johnnydephilo
@johnnydephilo 10 ай бұрын
Dr Ramani - you are a ray of hope in an otherwise very dark experience of narcissistic abuse. thank you for your steadfast, smart and funny (!) approaches to this awful thing called narcissistic abuse.
@It-b-Blair
@It-b-Blair Жыл бұрын
A caveat to the “silent treatment” is if someone is being abusive, or are emotionally unstable and can’t have a rational conversation. You are absolutely free to disengage with someone, they are not entitled to your response. It’s best to say “I need time, can we talk about this later” or something like that. There are so many reasons how this can be, jumping to narcissism doesn’t feel accurate.
@janefreeman995
@janefreeman995 Жыл бұрын
Some weeks ago, I was on a camel in the Sahara as you do. This was the pinnacle of a trip. In my enthusiasm, I almost said a sentance of fun observation. The comeback was ... I want to be silent. So I was shushed. Literally, within a minute, I hear...oh, look at that... I say, I'm meant to enjoy the silence. The kill joy nature of these folks.... nobody likes being shushed. Fortunately, I knew this was coming to a close and could let it roll pretty much to not let the strain effect a special experience. The silence of the dunes is pretty cool, tho.
@bee12355
@bee12355 Жыл бұрын
That would be painful. That can ruin your trip. I went through this.
@janefreeman995
@janefreeman995 Жыл бұрын
@@bee12355 well, it blew over pretty quickly, within a few minutes really, but my expectation is low, and as was suggested on this channel, I've kept things superficial. She told a third friend on this trip at a shop... 'that's enough!' And actually made her cry. The power of the shush. I'm grateful to realise there's zero point in entertaining working it out and I won't take it personally. I'd like to be better at what to say in the moment. She sprang for it as a private tour for 3 days so the three of us didn't have to be with a larger group.
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